Monday night RAW Feb. 23

[Savio]

MCMAHON TO DROP A BOMBSHELL, REKINDLE MONDAY NIGHT WAR
Feb. 23, 2004
The Monday Night War may have ended several years ago, but it seems that one battle never did. On RAW, that battle will happen when Mr. McMahon will go one on one with RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff! The battle will take place moments after Mr. McMahon makes a bombshell announcement concerning WrestleMania XX. What will the news be? What will happen when Bischoff-McMahon finally happens? Watch RAW to find out!

Also, last week, Evolution suffered perhaps its worst night ever when Ric Flair & Batista lost the World Tag Team Championship to Rob Van Dam & Booker T, and later, it was announced that Triple H will defend the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania XX in a history making Triple Threat Match with Shawn Michaels & Chris Benoit. Will there be a reaction? What is next for this foursome? Tune in to RAW and find out!

Speaking of Evolution, the trio of Flair, Batista and Randy Orton unleashed a savage beating on Mick Foley after Foley entered the ring for what was supposed to be an Unsanctioned Fight with Orton. The attack left Foley hospitalized. Will Foley have a response? Find out on RAW!
~www.wwe.com

[Showstopper]

Bombshell????

[MVP]

Bombshell????It's probably the announcement of the Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg match.

[Savio]

I don't think Eric vs Vince will happen tonight it'll most likely take place at Wrestlemania.....Or thats what No Duh man told me.

[MVP]

I don't think Eric vs Vince will happen tonight it'll most likely take place at Wrestlemania.....Or thats what No Duh man told me.If that's so then I found my Wrestlemania piss break.

[Joe Kerr]

i think this month in wrestling will be rather boring trying to keep everyone healthy.

[Kane Knight]

Bombshell????

Vionce has been aiding Osama Bin Laden.

[KingofOldSchool]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

MOLLY WENT DOWN.

[Joe Kerr]

on who :shifty:

[MVP]

My money's on Victoria.

[Loose Cannon]

I see a Widow's Peak coming

[Loose Cannon]

I see a Widow's Peak coming
:)

[Kristanna Vola]

*claps* yay

[Joe Kerr]

nice....victorias hot

[V]

is lita ever gonna be women's champ.. i was waiting almost 3 years now to see her as champ.. i've never seen her as champ :(

[Savio]

What'd I miss?

[Kristanna Vola]

is lita ever gonna be women's champ.. i was waiting almost 3 years now to see her as champ.. i've never seen her as champ :(

Keep waiting :p

[Loose Cannon]

******bows down

[Kristanna Vola]

Loose Cannon ur homeboy has entered :y:

[Joe Kerr]

What'd I miss?
puberty

[Mr. JL]

WHAT Val Venis is on RAW?

[Loose Cannon]

Loose Cannon ur homeboy has entered :y:
:yes: The True Harcore Legend.

[Kristanna Vola]

puberty
so wrong :D

edit: It's Val

[Loose Cannon]

LMAO at Orton doing Cactus.

[Joe Kerr]

lol so when is rock returning?

[Kristanna Vola]

*claps* another win for THCL :y:

[Kristanna Vola]

lol so when is rock returning?

Next week

[Joe Kerr]

your just saying that lol...

[Savio]

puberty
If you want me to defeat you wait till tomorrow. Some where else besides the wrestling forum.

[MVP]

Haven't seen any FFX2 commercials yet. :shifty:

[MVP]

OMG mark out at the Bischoff Slamboree '98 promo. :eek:

Haven't seen that in ages.

[Kristanna Vola]

LOL

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL

I love Stone Cold.

[jessica rocks]

what's happened so far?? i missed the beginning of the show

[Kristanna Vola]

Follow the champ...It's Coach HHH.

[Loose Cannon]

More Orton... YES

[Loose Cannon]

RAW IS ORTON

[Kristanna Vola]

:p Chill...

[Joe Kerr]

If you want me to defeat you wait till tomorrow. Some where else besides the wrestling forum.
hahaha whatever paul just shut up and watch wrestling..this is the only decent thread you can put up once a week....


anyway has HHH wrestled since the rumble?

[MVP]

Finally...Benoit interrupts.

Hunter's mic skills are pure shit.

[Loose Cannon]

***man I marked out for the crossface

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Pretty decent Raw so far

What I liked

More of the HBK/Chris/HHH set up.
Benoit going over Batista.
The idea of Christian vs Trish
Vince's segment with Bisch
Orton vs Val


What I didn't like

Benoit didn't go over convincingly enough, he needs to start killing people
The fact that Trish/Christian will actually happen
Bisch acting scared

[DarKCentaur]

Ok I'm back. Is HHH still champion?

[Joe Kerr]

nah he lost it in the first hour tonight :shifty:

[jessica rocks]

well just wait we still got the mcmahon/bischoff match to come :roll:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I was busy orgasming over what they just did with Benoit, he seems like a complete badass.

[Joe Kerr]

meh....maybe its a face turn for bischoff

[Kristanna Vola]

nah he lost it in the first hour tonight :shifty:
your just saying that lol (got u back) :p

[Joe Kerr]

:lol: caught me

[Savio]

hahaha whatever paul just shut up and watch wrestling..this is the only decent thread you can put up once a week....


anyway has HHH wrestled since the rumble?
Mine are better then your "HI Ilt I love you" threads

[Loose Cannon]

***WAITS FOR THE DUPREE SHUFFLE

[Joe Kerr]

i think paul has used that line 7 times already....i think thats 7 post that should be taken from him

[Fryza]

STUPID. BOOKERVANDAM!

VIVA LA RÉSISTANCE! :rant:

[Kristanna Vola]

Nice pixs of Foley

[Loose Cannon]

LOL The Bolsheviks

[DarKCentaur]

Wow, they're really digging deep with these Wrestlemania Recalls.

[Loose Cannon]

LMAO at Christian

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Christian is pimp :cool:

[Joe Kerr]

hahahaah hit the showers together

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Christian is a manly mang

[Mr. JL]

OMG! Christian is the F'N MAN

[HeartBreakMan2k]

hahahaah hit the showers together

I was wondering if I imagined that.

[Kristanna Vola]

hahaha CLB tryin to get the hokey pokey :lol:

[Loose Cannon]

Oh yes, this was great stuff last week

[Kristanna Vola]

:'(

[Loose Cannon]

HAHA, The Legend Killer gave Foley a black eye.

[V]

trish passed the clt.. rofl

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Meh, I'm not really impressed with Mick's promo. I mean don't get me wrong, it was fairly good but Foley can give a promo in a different league than most people in the sport, and he just didn't do it tonight.

[jessica rocks]

Meh, I'm not really impressed with Mick's promo. I mean don't get me wrong, it was fairly good but Foley can give a promo in a different league than most people in the sport, and he just didn't do it tonight.


Definatly :y:

It really did lack a lot. It just seemed he wasn't really into that much.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Meh, I'm not really impressed with Mick's promo. I mean don't get me wrong, it was fairly good but Foley can give a promo in a different league than most people in the sport, and he just didn't do it tonight.

I dunno, the story he told within the promo was pretty freakin convincing.

And I believe that Benoit went over plenty convincing, he made a giant tap, that looks mad impressive.

I've never marked out so much until I saw Benoit lock the Crossface on Michaels. It was perfect.

[Kristanna Vola]

Oh no he didn't...

[Mr. JL]

Christian is the heel of ALL heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fryza]

jnthk tehj tkmreh HOTDAMN NICE CLOTHESLINE!

[Joe Kerr]

jericho vs. christian at wrestlemanina?

[Vastardikai]

It really did lack a lot. It just seemed he wasn't really into that much.

Maybe even he knows that this feud is ridiculous. I'm sorry Disciples of the Church of Orton, but I don't even know if the Rock can make this guy huge.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I've never marked out so much until I saw Benoit lock the Crossface on Michaels. It was perfect.

Now I'll give you that, and that's saying something. I'm probably the biggest HBK mark on the board, but even I know Chris has to go over him and should go over him. It was a pretty sweet build to it too. :cool:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I dunno, the story he told within the promo was pretty freakin convincing..


The ending was nice, and tied everything together but I don't know. It just felt like the passion for it was missing. I mean I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a HUGE Foley fan, I respect him but not a huge fan however, normally in his promos within the first two seconds he's got me glued to the screen, he didn't get that reaction tonight.

[Loose Cannon]

Man, I never liked Bischoff as much as I did right there.

[Joe Kerr]

so whos for bishoff?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Trish sounds like she was making noises for a porn :wtf:

Anyway, they should have had Jericho rushing toward the entrance and meeting her, then vowing to go after Christian. Just my thoughts though.

[Joe Kerr]

vinces getting a hard on

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And out comes Vinnie Mac.

Yeah, the match and whatnot will suck but the show promo's will be great.

Out come Stacey and Jackie... :wtf:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And here's the set up for the typical T&A match at mania. :(

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Wow... that was hot...

:roll:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Kane :love:

[Joe Kerr]

kano mac....

[Joe Kerr]

waiting for gong bells.........

[Joe Kerr]

*dong the dead will rise in 20 days

[HeartBreakMan2k]

What the fuc</>k, the night they announce the match they give Taker zero build.

Brock vs Berg, Brock is the man.

Austin :(

[Kristanna Vola]

arg Austin again...

[jessica rocks]

HEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Like everyone didn't already know Austin was going to guest ref.

[Kristanna Vola]

Go EB!

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I'd love to see Vince and Bisch jump Austin after that handshake. :(

[jessica rocks]

bischoff is terrible

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And here comes the squash part of our night.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

BROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[V]

LESNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kristanna Vola]

yesssssssssssss

[HeartBreakMan2k]

*MARKS THE FUC</>K OUT!*

[Joe Kerr]

brock!

[jessica rocks]

well that made the match a hell of a lot better than it woulda been

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>*MARKS OUT*</font>

[Joe Kerr]

well that made it weird

[Loose Cannon]

HOLY SHIT, I just marked out like CRAZY. FK'N LESENR. YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Boondock Saint]

Ohhh niiice.

[Mr. JL]

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS A ****ING AWESOME RAW. DEFINITELY DESERVING OF CAPS AND SWEAR WORDS.

MARK OUT!

[Loose Cannon]

OMG THAT WAS AWESOME

[jessica rocks]

not really lesnar is getting his payback for austin sending goldberg to NWO.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Brock has seriously been one of my top two favorites since I saw him in a dark match, since he debuted he became my favorite and tonight he made me mark out. :)

[Loose Cannon]

Man, I'm still trying to recover from the full blown markout

[HeartBreakMan2k]

not really lesnar is getting his payback for austin sending goldberg to NWO.

I'm a Brock mark, let me celebrate the awesomeness now until I begin to get mad at myself for not expecting something like that :rant:

[Joe Kerr]

to many orgasms in one night eh loose cannon?

[jessica rocks]

I'm a Brock mark, let me celebrate the awesomeness now until I begin to get mad at myself for not expecting something like that :rant:

I am too guess i just expected something to happen so it wasnt too big a surpirse for me

[Loose Cannon]

*****rewinds tape and watches it again

[Loose Cannon]

*****Marks Out Again

[Splaya]

I started screaming and marking out like crazy. I heard the crowd start to go crazy and I thought Goldberg was coming down the ramp (even despite rumors on the net about him not appearing till WMXX) and then you see Lesnar and i was like Holy ****. I'm one of the biggest Austin fans ever, but that made me go crazy. In response to no build for the Undertaker, next week I'm willing to bet that when Kane is wrestling we will hear, KAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEE! Shouted by the Undertaker and Kane will go crazy, then another lost match, and then another F'N crazy promo. BTW, how far do you think/hope this Taker/Kane feud will go on for. I seriously hope awhile.

[Kristanna Vola]

:y:

[Loose Cannon]

to many orgasms in one night eh loose cannon?
:lol:

[Loose Cannon]

I'M repping everyone who said they marked out for Lesner.

[CBright7831]

Austin was supposed to job to Brock the night he walked out for the second time.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

There really isn't a good way for the Taker/Kane match to end at Mania. Kane goes over, takes Taker's ability to put over other guys away a little. Taker goes over, kills Kane's cred.

The feud itself should last until next Mania, not a hugely continuous thing, but at joint PPV's there should be something.

I want Taker to be able to make a farewell tour as the dead man, putting over guys like Cena. Then at Mania Kane should end his streak after joint PPV confrontations going back and fourth.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Ok, correction I think Taker and Kane need to go to a time limit draw where neither can get anything more than like a count close to two, but not actually two. Makes both look unstoppable, saves Takers turn, puts Kane over and would lead to a rematch next year at mania where Kane ends Taker's streak.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Austin was supposed to job to Brock the night he walked out for the second time.

Yup, he didn't want to be the first to put Brock over. Thought he should be last in line to do that.

[Joe Kerr]

meh either austins going to turn heel at mania or royale screw over brock

[HeartBreakMan2k]

meh either austins going to turn heel at mania or royale screw over brock

Austin can stun Berg and stay face, hell Austin could stun Taker the night of his return and stay a face.

[CBright7831]

I liked RAW tonight but there a few things that piss me off

*What the **** is Flair now kissing Triple H's ass 99.9% of the time. I mean did anyone see him during the promo nodding his head and smiling and saying shit. triple H must feel proud, and should be greatful since he's only done half the stuff that Ric Flair has done.

*The fact Foley took a beating from Evolution and was taken out on stretcher. Yet this is the same man who got thrown off a cell a few years ago and got up? LOGIC!

*Vince/Eric was horrible but what did you expect?

[Innovator]

I remember the week before Summerslam 94 when it was Real Taker vs. Fake Taker. Fake Taker was in the Heartbreak Hotel and then the lights went out and the gong hit. Then the real Undertaker's voice came over the loudspeakers, saying it was time for the Undertaker to rise. I bet the same will happen in the few weeks remaining.

[Splaya]

I'm repping you back then

[Corkscrewed]

Damn! Didn't expect Lesnar to come out! You see, he caught Austin on the internet. :shifty:

(marks out)

[The CyNick]

I didn't think RAW was all that great this week, it was kinda flat to me, except the ending, which was good.

The Benoit-HBK-HHH hype was horrible IMO. First you had the boring HHH promo. Seriously I know people rag on the guy excessively, but if he walked into a promoters office and cut that promo trying to get work, he'd never get booked anywhere where people can understand the English language. One of his typical promos that could be summed up in 3 minutes, but instead goes on for 12 minutes.

Next problem, HBK didn't tap, or at least I didn't see it happen. Benoit has already had to get laid out on two separate occasions to HBK's move, and each time he had to sell it like a champ, but Benoit gets his finish on Michaels, and HBK's up in like 30 seconds as though nothing happened.

Next problem was that while on SD, the WWE title match seems like a huge deal, on RAW the World Title match seems like an after thought. The only saving grace was that Benoit made Batista tap, which was good, but Batista hasn't really been established enough to make that win all that important. Beyond that making Benoit look strong against the main eventers should be the goal at this point, instead of making him look better than mid-carders.

Womens title match was pretty sloppy, and to be frank I dont understand why they had Victoria win now and not at Mania. I'm guessing they go with Molly vs Victoria at Mania since Victoria didn't pin Molly (we'll likely get Molly vs Lita next week in a #1 contenders match), but why not save the big win for Mania? Wierd. Still, Victoria deserved the win. Jazz got sqaushed, which was odd as well.

Venis-Orton was good, I like these matches where Orton shows some dominance instead of just going back and forth. I mean this wasn't a squash by any means, but it was a decisive win for Orton, which is a good thing IMO.

Trish-Christian stuff was pretty good, Christian is awesome, and I cant wait to see how he does now that he's actually getting a push. Sweet ass clothesline on Trish.

RVD-BT kinda need a program fast. This seems to be one of those deals where they are going to throw together a match a week before Mania and blowoff the fued at Mania, if at all. Once again no Dudleys on RAW, so I'm assuming thats an angle, but I dont see where its all leading. I noticed they made a deal out of La Res getting screwed in the match, so maybe we get a rematch at Mania, which would be alright I guess. Might be an idea to have the Dudleys do a run-in at Mania and start a heel turn for not being on RAW for so long or whatever.

Interesting that throughout the show they actually pushed Eric Bischoff's accomplishments. Not sure if thats going anywhere, or just being done for the DVD purposes, but it seemed wierd that they were actually pushing WCW and Bischoff so much. Too bad someone didn't use this logic two years ago, but alas that was not to be. I blame the internet!

Foley's interview I liked. It wasn't a blow away interview, but he said a few key things, which will set up for Rock's return and make it more emotional. Usually when Rock comes back, its all comedy, Foley set the stage for him to try to get back to doing a serious wrestling angle.

I thought Vince's announcements were rushed and came off flat. I just dont think they did enough on RAW and SD to make people think the interpromotional matches couldn't happen, which would have made Vince's announcement a bigger deal. But they've never really said that, and I think the TV audience was pretty sure these matches were going to be on the card.

I thought adding Austin was good, and the finish was pretty cool seeing Lesnar F-5 Austin. I hope this leads somewhere long term between Austin and Lesnar.

Match with Vince and Eric was a huge waste of time, and really went nowhere. At least if they would have made it clear it was a big ruse to set-up Austin that would have been alright, but they didbn't, so it just seemed like a waste of 5 minutes. I hope they dont even consider putting this match at Mania.

RAW wasn't bad by any means, but I didn't feel it was a great show, which they kinda need going into Mania.

[Loose Cannon]

Venis-Orton was good, I like these matches where Orton shows some dominance instead of just going back and forth. I mean this wasn't a squash by any means, but it was a decisive win for Orton, which is a good thing IMO.

AH, Thankyou. At least someone appreciates the guy.

[John la Rock]

I was totally shoked when Lesnar came out and F5'd the hell out of Austin. marks out!

[Boondock Saint]

So was the Vince/Eric match a ploy to get Austin attacked by Brock? Or just a coincidence? Or does it even really matter? I only ask because Vince was a semi-face tonight, it seemed to me anyway.

[Stickman]

I thought Raw was dull. There was nothing bad, and nothing good. Everybody seemed to "go through the motions" tonight.

[c4g2]

*Rewinds tape of Brock F5-ing Austin*
*Watches*
*Marks out*

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I thought it was a really good build to the Mania match. I think HBK one-upping Benoit is just to build to their match in Edmonton, and if it isn't, then and only then it is bad booking.

[Mikey]

Nothing with Undertaker this week :(

[Stickman]

*Rewinds tape of Brock F5-ing Austin*
*Watches*
*Marks out*

I'm jealous, I haven't "marked" out in ages.

[Azriel]

austin getting F5ed was a definite mark out moment, and I would like to see these two go at it maybe Summerslam.

Expect Bischoff and Vince to officialy go at at Wrestlemania.

That clothesline Christian gave Trish was BRUTAL.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Lita face Victoria at Mania and winning.

So now, are Bischoff and Austin going to be friends, and are they going to try to make Eric a face? I think they should, to balance off Paul being a heel on Smackdown.

[SuperSlim]

I sit in my chair and watch Raw.

I liked the idea of Victoria winning. I was glad Victoria won.

Orotn and Venis put on a nice match.

Rest of Raw.. who cares.

And that whole diva evening gown match at Mania tween Gayda and Stacy vs. Torrie and Sable? Really... I mean really who gives a crap? Who cares that this match is happening. I see this match happening for one reason and one reason only... someone is gonna flash the crowd. That's it.

Benoit beats Batista... big whoop. I wasn't too impressed with Raw at all and that whole Vince/Bischoff thing... sucked.

[Deceit]

"I'M repping everyone who said they marked out for Lesner."

I MARKED OUT LIKE A MOTHER****ER!! :) no really, i did :).

I thought RAW was "above-average". The only things that kept it from being "meh" are Brock and well.... Brock, I guess :(

[Kane Knight]

I thought Raw was dull. There was nothing bad, and nothing good. Everybody seemed to "go through the motions" tonight.

I can't help but agree.

[Kane Knight]

The Brock bit was a nice touch though. However, a n ice ending doesn't make up for the rest of the show being mostly...Blah...

[CosaNostra]

I'm seriously starting to get sick of wrestling, which I've been watching for the past 20 or so years.

Triple H is pissing me off just that much.

[The Naitch]

Good thing I didn't cancel out on the birthday party to wait for The Rock's return. I managed to catch the rest of RAW when I got home, and I still think seeing Lesnar F5ing Austin was meh at best.

I will be waiting for Rocky next week though, in a more serious angle with Foley and Orton, like Cynick said

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The show wasn't really blah IMO. The Foley Promo was solid, it wasn't supposed to be over the top. Orton looked really good against Venis, Benoit vs. Batista did what it set out to do, which was make Benoit look like a machine. I marked like a bitch for Benoit getting Michaels, and for Benoit being ballsy enough to take on Evolution 4-on-1. Booker and RVD vs. La Resistance was good. The only thing that annoyed me was that HHH promo, but whatever, he's the Champion, gotsta work the crowd. And LOL at Christian.

The ending aside from Lesnar coming in out of nowhere was pretty lame, you can't just throw out 3 announcements for the biggest show of the year like that, but that wasn't enough to mar an entire show of solid booking (well IMO solid booking).

[Savio]

The main event sucked Vince no sold.