What happened with Liddel vs. that black dude?

[BigDaddyCool]

UFC counts as wrestling right?

So what happened with Chuck Liddel?

[Theo Dious]

"That black dude" was me, and the jerks told me I was entirely underqualified to fight him. Racist fucks. :rant:

[Mercury Bullet]

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PWNED

[Goulet]

I'm gonna whoop Chuck's ass!


And he did
:yes:

[BigDaddyCool]

What is his name? And is Liddel still champ or was it non-title?

Hmmmmmmm, this is going to go straight off topic with us 3 already in it.

[BigDaddyCool]

Oh yeah, Jackson, ok. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson? I can't remeber his first name. Didn't he beat Liddel once before?

[Mercury Bullet]

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, and he is the new UFC Lightheavyweight Champ.

[Mercury Bullet]

Yup, he did a couple years ago in PRIDE.

[Mercury Bullet]

There, I kept in on topic. For now.

[BigDaddyCool]

Cool, cool...Does UFC have non-title bouts if a champion in there, or is it when ever a champion fights, he is defending?

[XXXCMPunkXXX]

Jackson beat Liddell by Ref Stop in 1:52 of Round 1 to become the new UFC Light Heavyweight Champion

[BigDaddyCool]

If my name was Quinton, I too would learn to kick some serious ass.

How long was Liddel champion for?

[Mercury Bullet]

Yeh, the title isn't necessarily on the line. I don't know how this qualified as a title match though, I don't understand UFC's criteria for determining who is a number one contender, seeing as how Rampage has only had a couple fights in UFC and hasn't done particularly well.

And Chuck was champ for about two years. Which is insanely long in the world of MMA.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeh, the title isn't necessarily on the line. I don't know how this qualified as a title match though, I don't understand UFC's criteria for determining who is a number one contender, seeing as how Rampage has only had a couple fights in UFC and hasn't done particularly well.

And Chuck was champ for about two years. Which is insanely long in the world of MMA.

I think it works about the same as WWE, only you have Dana White instead of Vince McMahon.

Does Dana ever fight. I also think it is funny because my girlfriends name is Dana...well Dayna, but pronounced the same way.

[Mercury Bullet]

Dana White was supposed to have a boxing match with Tito Ortiz, but Ortiz backed out. I guess he used to be an amateur boxer and was very good, and then became a boxing promoter, and then part of the group that bought UFC.

And I'm guessing the reasoning behind making this a title match was because Rampage beat him before, and the $$$ and draw would be higher for a title match between the two. But Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie was a big draw when Hughes was champ, but it wasn't a title match. So I dont know.

[BigDaddyCool]

Dana White was supposed to have a boxing match with Tito Ortiz, but Ortiz backed out. I guess he used to be an amateur boxer and was very good, and then became a boxing promoter, and then part of the group that bought UFC.

And I'm guessing the reasoning behind making this a title match was because Rampage beat him before, and the $$$ and draw would be higher for a title match between the two. But Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie was a big draw when Hughes was champ, but it wasn't a title match. So I dont know.

Maybe Liddel wanted it as a title match.

[Rob]

Gracie vs. Hughes wasn't at the 170lbs limit. So obviously can't be a title match.

[BigDaddyCool]

How do the wieght classes breakdown in UFC?

[Rob]

Heavyweight - 206-265lbs.
Light-heavyweight - 186-205lbs.
Middleweight - 171-185lbs.
Welterweight - 156-170lbs.
Lightweight - 136-155lbs.

You can weigh in one pound overweight if the fight is not a title fight because they give you a pound because of the accuracy of the scales. In title fights, there is no excuse.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Light-Heavy is their most prestigious title, correct?

[Mercury Bullet]

Mostly because of Liddell, he has made it the most prestegious. And in the Hughes-Gracie fight, I believe Gracie was underweight, which would not limit a title being on the line. You can be underweight and fight up in class, you just can't be overweight fighting down. Hughes was welterweight champ tho, and he may have been overweight, so I don't know for sure.

[Mercury Bullet]

There's actually a flyweight class (145lbs and under) but the UFC has deactivated/merged it with the lightweight class. Other groups still have flyweight classes though.

[BigDaddyCool]

Randy Couture is still fighting?

[Mr Regal]

Yes. He is the current Heavyweight Champion of the UFC

[BigDaddyCool]

He is old. I don't care what sport you are in, 44 is old for sports. Good for him.

[Mr Regal]

Hell yeah it's old.

Saying that he is fucking ripped and in better shape than 99% of people out there so....

[Rob]

Mostly because of Liddell, he has made it the most prestegious. And in the Hughes-Gracie fight, I believe Gracie was underweight, which would not limit a title being on the line. You can be underweight and fight up in class, you just can't be overweight fighting down. Hughes was welterweight champ tho, and he may have been overweight, so I don't know for sure.

Gracie wasn't underweight. He was overweight. Didn't matter anyway because they had always planned to fight at a catch weight 175lbs and both Hughes and Gracie made that weight.

[Funky Fly]

Yo, what about guys who are like 300 pounds or 120 pounds? What happens to them?

[Mercury Bullet]

120's would be flyweights (or whatever name the organization give a weight class of about 145 and below)...300lbs would be a superheavyweight, or something of the like, depends on how the organization classifies it. I don't think the UFC has either as a specific division. If you were 120 you could compete in the 155lb Lightweight Division, I don't think they'd let a 300 pounder fight a typical heavyweight though.

[Rob]

You can't fight in the UFC under 136lbs now. They made the weight divisions in the WEC because of this.

You can't fight in the UFC over 265lbs period. Nevada State doesn't allow it.

[Mercury Bullet]

You can't fight in the UFC over 265lbs period. Nevada State doesn't allow it.

*Other states do allow it and UFC operates globablly now. If 265 is the UFC's cutoff, then that would be the start of the "superheavyweight" division. And are you sure the NSAC doesn't allow it? How do superheavyweight boxing matches take place in Nevada then?

[Rob]

What other states allow it? I know Nevada and California doesn't and they are the biggest two for MMA right now. And UFC abides by all Nevada laws. If they did something not in line with Nevada laws, even if it's in England, they would have their license revoked.

Superheavyweight boxing matches are different rulings.

[Mercury Bullet]

How would there Nevada license be revoked for a competition outside the jurisdiction of Nevada? UFC would win a lawsuit at the federal level vs. Nevada if that happened, Nevada can't govern international law.

Now, UFC may place those restrictions on itself. BUT, King of the Cage, for example, a promotion BASED IN NEVADA, has a superheavyweight division of fighters starting at 265lbs and up.

Additionally, KOTC also has a Bantomweight Class (136-145) and Flyweight Class (135 and under).

[Rob]

KOTC also runs on Indian reservations.

[Mercury Bullet]

In "King of the Cage" the safety of the fighters is paramount. Events are run under the unified rules of the states of Nevada and New Jersey.

Not solely on Indian reservations however, thus, they are subject to NSAC law, or the law of whatever state they are in.

And, I remember Ron Waterman having at least two or three fights in the UFC and he weighs nearly 300 lbs. Not at 300, but I know he is in the upper 200's, definately heavier than 265.

[Rob]

Ron Waterman didn't fight in the UFC under Zuffa ownership. And they never were license by Nevada State before then.

[Mercury Bullet]

Still, UFC may have set their own weight limits under the Dana White era but they do not correlate to any state laws. KOTC operates under the same state laws and they allow for weight classes above heavyweight and below lightweight.

[The Naitch]

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[Volare]

Yeah....gooooooooood night Liddel

[loosecollector]

The black guy (Ramp) had his number. That fight is his second time beating Chuck.