College Football 2007 Thread

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What do you guys think about highly touted high school QB prospects going to teams running the spread offense in the future? For the most part, good spread QBs really aren't much of an NFL prospect (at least at the QB position) which has killed a lot of other types of college offenses in the past (Triple Option, Wishbone, etc)

Since the offense is still in its infancy, Vince Young and Alex Smith are about all we have to base it off of. However Urban Meyer ran the offense a bit differently then he does now with Tebow (Smith was passing a lot more often and seemed logical that he could succeed in an NFL style offense) and the offense Texas was running had some spread principles mixed in with a shot gun offense, they weren't running a lot of the crazy shit you see now it was mostly just a zone-read with the QB/tailback. I can't really see guys like Pat White, Dennis Dixon and Tim Tebow playing QB in the NFL. Even spread offenses that are more pass orientated seem to lack in the NFL prospects, like every year a new Texas Tech QB is breaking all types of records yet none of them ever do anything in the NFL.

While plenty of QBs who played at colleges with NFL style offenses haven't done dick in the pros, it still seems like a more attractive option since you at least have a chance to prove yourself while a lot of spread QBs are written off as "Runners" or "products of a gimmick passing attack"

[mrslackalack]

I say a current college QB like a Matt Ryan or Andre Woodson would play the best in the NFL over guys like White, Dixon, and Tebow.

[mrslackalack]

Forde reported that LSU granted Michigan permission to talk to Les Miles and in his opinion he expects Miles to be hired as Michigans head coach sometime between next week and LSUs bowl game.

[Kris P Lettus]

Ole Miss hired former Ark head coach Houston Nutt.. I'm kinda stoked about it cause outta his 15 years at Ark, he took them to like 7 bowl games and 2 SEC title games..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He received death threats and shit due to the Mitch Mustain thing and had people spying on his text messages/phone calls all because of a game, I don't blame him for leaving that backwards ass state

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah but then he went to Mississippi

Arkansas and Mississippi are pretty even on the crazy redneck scale

[D Mac]

Way to be a fairweather fan..

Not only have you given up on the Chiefs, but you are jumping on another teams bandwagon..

I've always been a Mizzou fan. :foc:

[MTH15]

Chances of VT face OUR RIVALS!! WV in the National Championship? Is there even a chance? Tell me please

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No chance

Ohio State is ahead of them in the rankings with no games left and there is no way Va Tech would go ahead of LSU seeing how LSU beat them bad early in the year

Plus BC is gonna beat Va Tech anyway....:shifty:

[MTH15]

NO THEY AINT WE GONNA TAKE IT TO THEM DAMN SOFT ASS BOSTON NIGGAZ.

[D Mac]

Plus Mizzou is gonna kick ass.

[MTH15]

I hate boston college for that win against us :(

[BCWWF]

1. Diesel Mac has been consistantly talking about Mizzou on this thread all season, even thoush he always spelled it Missou or Mizzu.

2. Ole Miss will be a much less demanding job. They have a solid fan base but expectations aren't nearly as high or as unrealistic as Arkansas.

3. Mizzou technically might not be the most skilled team in the nation, but they arethe legitimate No. 1 team in the country right now. Every other top ranked team has lost to a worse team, in many cases a far worse team. Missouri is the only BCS conference school that has beaten everybody it was supposed to, and it's one loss came at No. 4 Okalahoma without the starting running back and they lost by exactly what Vegas projected them to by, 10 points. Outside of Norman and with Temple back and English out, I am very optimistic that Mizzou will be in the national championship.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

wow Va Tech just returned a blocked PAT for 2 points, could end up being huge now they are only down 17-11

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Actually I'm retarded...that made it 17-9

Silva might have just locked up the Thrope Award with that INT, especially after running back a fumble 50something yards for a TD earlier in the game

[RoXer]

Good lord the ASU/UA game is going to be a mud bowl.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tenn is beating LSU at the half, 7-6 after LSU shanked a FG to end the 2nd quarter..

[Kris P Lettus]

That was a badass fake punt..

[Kris P Lettus]

Pick 6 LSU..

LSU went for 2 and got it..

21-14 LSU with 10 mins left..

[OssMan]

Oregon State playing Oregon right now... Beavers and Ducks

[mrslackalack]

WOW Pitt beat WV! If Missouri loses it will be Ohio St vs who???? LSU? USC? Georgia? VT? Oklahoma?

[Skippord]

OSU vs LSU

god dammit

[Boomer]

I can't believe my school even has a chance of going to the National Championship (UGA).

I feel like we deserve the Rose Bowl. I swear if we have to face Kansas or Hawaii I will be upset.

[Mercury Bullet]

Wow, wtf happens now...

[Mercury Bullet]

At this point, I think they really shout let Hawaii into the title game.

I have a feeling it is going to wind up LSU vs. OSU however. I think it would be BCS suicide to let Georgia in. So i dont think that will happen.

[mrslackalack]

ESPNs BCS Bowl Predictions

NC Ohio St vs LSU. Will def be a defensive game

Rose Bowl USC vs Georgia Prolly the top 2 teams on fire right now

Orange Bowl VT vs WV They sometimes play in the reg season I think VT will be the more motavated team and will win

Fiesta Bowl Oklahoma vs Kansas these 2 teams prolly get to play each other after all

Sugar Bowl Hawaii vs Arizona State could be a exciting matchup between the 2 high powered offenses.

[mrslackalack]

I just knew that with the season the way its been that both Missouri and WV would somehow lose tonight

[OssMan]

Who did they pick for the Cars.com Bowl?

[mrslackalack]

UGA has been playing on fire lately Boomer but since they didnt even make the SEC title game (they almost because Tenn/UK 4 OT game was a classic) they prolly wont get the chance over LSU/USC. That early season loss to South Carolina where they led the whole game till the end really hurt UGA. They are prolly like LSU last yr.

[Boomer]

Coach Richt just made his case on ESPN.

[Sepholio]

Georgia should go. Nebraska in 02 made it in under the same situation as UGA. The conference championship game is nothing more than a tool for said conference to milk some extra cash out of its fans. If the championship game is affected by winning a conference title game, then what of teams potentially vying for a national title birth from a conference that has no championship? It just wouldn't work.

Besides, letting UGA play for the national title will continue to show how big of a clusterfuck the BCS is anyways and give its opponents (which are many) even more justification for switching to a playoff system.

Personally, if not UGA, then Kansas deserves it, being the one-loss team in the hunt here. People are starting to say Hawaii, but really, if you put any of the other teams in the hunt against the same schedule as hawaii and they would ALL be undefeated most likely. Not hard to go unbeaten when hardly anyone you play could beat themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Also, now that I recall, alot of people claim UGA didn't win their division, when they were actually co-SEC East champs, with Tenn holding the tie break, even though they had a worse record. Maybe they could put UGA against LSU in a playoff game to see which one gets to beat the tar out of OSU.

[Skippord]

Hawaii is going to lose

[Kris P Lettus]

Missouri LOST??

Are you serious?? I had to go to work right after the LSU win, and hadn't heard anything about it until now..

WOOO

LSU is def gonna be in the National Title game..

SEC REPRESENT

[Kris P Lettus]

Hawaii is getting spanked ATM..

woo

[MTH15]

Told yall VTech would win. WE TOOK IT TO THEM BOSTON NIGGAZ MANE!! Now hopefully we get voted in for the National Championship even though LSU beat us. We're #6 their #7.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hawaii is kinda making a comeback..

28-21 Washington with under 6 mins in the 3rd..

[Boomer]

If UGA has to play Hawaii in their bowl, they will have gotten shafted so bad.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'd be happy if GA makes it to the Sugar Bowl..

[Boomer]

Of course you would. LSU would have to face them if they didn't go to the title game.

[MTH15]

Yes VT vs WV for the Coal Trophy. Cant wait

[RP]

It will be OU vs OSU


I want VT to get in there so bad. AMazing they still have a chance and i've read things like they might jump up.

[Kris P Lettus]

Of course you would. LSU would have to face them if they didn't go to the title game.

I am not an LSU fan..

[Sepholio]

UGA will be #2 in the BCS and play for the NC. OSU will get demolished.

LSU will be #2 in the AP and demolish Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

Then we will once again have 2 teams arguing over which is the real poll, which is the real national champion.

And this time, they'll be from the same conference, too. Co-national champions from the SEC = all the nay-sayers shutting the hell up about how the SEC is not the best conference.

Don't you love how ridiculous the BCS is? Makes every holiday season the greatest time of the year.

[Skippord]

What the hell Hawaii

making my post look retarded

[Boomer]

I am not an LSU fan..

I figured you were, considering you like the Saints.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nah.. I am an Ole Miss/Miss State fan really, but I pull for the SEC as a whole..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Looking foward to Hawaii vs Georgia, the title game can go fuck itself.

[Kris P Lettus]

GA>Hawaii

LSU>OS

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm happy with all the bowl games..

[Sepholio]

I'm not happy with UGA -vs- Hawaii. UGA will walk all over them and end the year looking even more shafted than they already are.

[MTH15]

VT vs Kansas? NOOOOOOOOO I wanted WV sooo bad :( oh well we're gonna give them da business anyways

[Skippord]

I'm not happy with UGA -vs- Hawaii. UGA will walk all over them and end the year looking even more shafted than they already are.
Much like Oklahoma walked all over Boise State

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

GA>HawaiiI'm sure everyone thought Oklahoma > Boise State last year as well

I'm not happy with the bowl games really, I mean the National Title is whatever it was a huge mess so I don't really care about that. I just don't like seeing Illinois making it the Rose Bowl just because they are from the Big 10 and I also can't believe Kansas got an at large bid over Missouri...why does Missouri get punished for having to play an extra conference championship game?

[MTH15]

Im gonna enjoy these Bowl Games...and Im sure you guys will as well. Wow I sound smart...wait I seem smart

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I can assure you with 100% certainty that you do not sound or seem smart in any way, shape, or form.

[MTH15]

I just dont talk very proper a lot....at all...I love you

[RP]

LOL didnt Missouri beat Kansas this year? Wow Missouri got fucked really hard in the ass. I'm betting you they picked Kansas because they thought Kansas would travel better which would mean more money. Thats just totally fucked up. I like Illinois, but not that much. I thought it should have been USC vs Missouri, OSU vs WV, Hawaii vs Kansas, VT vs GA and the National Title game, OU vs LSU.

[mrslackalack]

Only thing about that RP is Illnois got in over Missouri because

1. Rose Bowl perfers to have it a Pac 10 Big Ten Matchup

2. Ill beat the BCS #1 Ohio St

It is crappy though, Missouri beat TWO BCS teams in Illinois and Kansas. And only 2 losses were both to a very good Oklahoma and they were just #1 last week!

[mrslackalack]

I read this in a forum about the whole Les Miles going to Michigan fiasco by ESPN.

Now from what I have been told is essentially behind the scenes is that UM and Miles through intermediaries had hammered out a deal that was palatable for both sides.
Essentially, Miles made it clear that he wanted to focus on the SEC Title game, then move forward from there, but wanted the focus on the game.
The agreement so to speak, was agreed to on Thursday or Friday, but the formal interview still had to take place. Have to do the interview.
I believe that UM's AD got fleeced in the Beilein deal from WVU...he hammered out deal and was too far down the road and was drubbed in the buyout of his conract from WVU.
Someone somewhere leaked the info Friday. Then Herbstreit ran with it as did some others.
At this point on Friday when this was going down, Miles became upset that all of this had happened against his wishes in all fairness to LSU.
The administration from LSU then stepped to the plate with a very lucrative deal and said we want you, why don't you just stay.
Miles decides that is what he wants to do...this leads into the impromptu presser on Saturday in Atlanta and then sends many in backpedaling.
Who leaked it? Why would they?.
There is a faction at UM that didn't want Miles, ala Carr. I believe that is one reason why Carr announced his retirement so quickly...fairly obvious though. Some have said that the prez favored Ferentz and AD Martin wanted Miles.
I don't think that Miles had told his players his intention. He may have but I doubt that is something you would want to do heading into a game with the magnitude of the SEC Title...and lingering BCS title hopes.
So obviously, the info got leaked but who did it?

[RP]

Chris Benoit

[owenbrown]

Kentucky makes it's 2nd straight Music City Bowl this time against Florida State. Hopefully it's a repeat of last year. :D :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL didnt Missouri beat Kansas this year? Wow Missouri got fucked really hard in the ass. I'm betting you they picked Kansas because they thought Kansas would travel better which would mean more money. Thats just totally fucked up. I like Illinois, but not that much. I thought it should have been USC vs Missouri, OSU vs WV, Hawaii vs Kansas, VT vs GA and the National Title game, OU vs LSU.I don't know if Missouri was avaible in the pool for the Rose Bowl game (I think heard it was BC, Hawaii or a Big 10 team) Also you can only have 2 teams from one conference in the BCS, right there you got 3 teams from the Big 12

Basically Missouri should have made it in over Kansas

The traveling thing no doubt plays a huge role, BC missed out on the Chick Fil A Bowl (Usually goes the #2 ACC team) to Clemson just because Clemson has way more fans

[MTH15]

VT vs WV would've been niiiiccceee

[BCWWF]

www.showmenews.com
1. Missouri’s a better team. Duh. This was up for debate around 6:59 p.m. on Oct. 24. It hasn’t been since then. Even the most loyal Kansas fans can’t deny that Missouri proved it was the better team nine days ago on a neutral field. Had MU’s defense not backed off its aggressive game plan in the second half, the score might have been more lopsided than 36-28. And don’t tell me Kansas would have done a better job against Oklahoma. If KU’s offense couldn’t block Missouri’s pass rush, Todd Reesing would have been the Sooners’ punching bag from the opening kickoff.

2. The attendance fallacy. Unless the Orange Bowl fell hook, line and sinker for Lew Perkins’ fuzzy math, it’s preposterous to think Missouri wouldn’t have traveled as well if not better than Kansas to Miami. Two weeks ago, Perkins made the claim that the Arrowhead crowd would be 55,000 Kansas fans and 25,000 Missouri fans. Didn’t happen. Either Perkins was way off on his projections or 15,000 Kansas fans unloaded their tickets to Missouri fans.

Last week, after a phone interview with Orange Bowl CEO Eric Poms, he asked me if I thought Missouri would travel well to Miami. He seemed concerned based on the crowds for MU’s last few bowls. I made the point that New Year’s trips to Shreveport and El Paso aren’t the most attractive destinations and that I thought MU would travel well to his gam,e. I suggested that MU’s crowds at Arrowhead and San Antonio would be better indicators of the fan support the Tigers have this year.

If anything, Missouri fans blew the attendance theory out of the water this morning when they gobbled up MU’s entire allotment of Cotton Bowl tickets in two hours. MU reports that it sold all of its 16,000 tickets by 10 a.m.

3. Star power. Missouri landed eight players on the AP All-Big 12 first team, including the offensive player of the year, junior quarterback and Heisman Trophy candidate Chase Daniel. Kansas matched Oklahoma with the second-most first-team players with four. Fans outside of Big 12 country might recognize KU cornerback Aqib Talib and perhaps Reesing, but it’s a fairly anonymous cast of players — some very good players, but certainly not a roster of buzz-worthy stars like Daniel, Jeremy Maclin, Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman. It doesn’t help that Kansas shies away from promoting its players for national recognition and awards. Meanwhile, the Cotton Bowl is giddy over its Daniel vs. Darren McFadden showdown.

[MTH15]

I do think Georgia got ruled out before hand though...I dont think they should've been in either. They're just at large

[RP]

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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol

[MTH15]

:rofl: ahhhhhh (creck crack)

[Reavant]

OSU>LSU

[MTH15]

VT>LSU now

[Kris P Lettus]

OSU>LSU

Putting my money on LSU BTW FYI..

LSU FTW

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't think OSU will be able to match LSU's speed, I really don't think Les Miles is as good of a coach as Urban Meyer though so you never know.

[Reavant]

Whatev.... Laurinaitis is going to light up Flynn or Perrilloux whoever is in there and Beanie is going to truck Dorsey

[Reavant]

LSU has all the talent in the world.... They should be undefeated. Fact is that their head coach sucks and he is the reason they lost two games and that there were two other games that they were real close to losing.

[MTH15]

Welcome Back

[Kris P Lettus]

LSU has all the talent in the world.... They should be undefeated. Fact is that their head coach sucks and he is the reason they lost two games and that there were two other games that they were real close to losing.

O_o

So tell me how Les Myles lost them the Ark game??

Something tells me you didn't even watch it..

[Kris P Lettus]

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

http://www.swampie.net/Portals/0/Ohio%20State%20Crying%20man.JPG

[Reavant]

O_o

So tell me how Les Myles lost them the Ark game??

Something tells me you didn't even watch it..

McFadden crushed you guys... he didnt prepare enough for him... lsu was injured too

[Kris P Lettus]

Not "us guys"..

I am not a huge LSU fan.. I am an SEC fan though..

McFadden crushes most teams he plays against.. He is not only the most dominant runner in the SEC but in the whole NCAA.. If you think, just because he had a great game that they didn't prepare for him is retarded.. Of coarse they prepared for him because he is their entire offense..

[Reavant]

they have the talent on that defense to shut him down. yea dorsey was hurt but they still could have done it.

[Kris P Lettus]

South Carolina also has the talent to stop him, but he ran for 296 yards on them..

Some RBs just have awesome games..

[Reavant]

South Carolina was 6-6. Why would you even use them as an example? Ark is a 4 loss team. They had no business beating LSU.

[Kris P Lettus]

Any team in the SEC can beat any other team on any given Saturday..

That's why SEC is the dominant division..

[Reavant]

Oh ok right right

[Kris P Lettus]

Be sarcastic all you want, but it's the truth...

Tebow got the Heisman with Run DMc as the runner up..


Cause you know SEC=dominant..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Heisman doesn't mean shit, Tebow deserved it though glad he didn't get snubbed just cuz he's a sophomore.

SEC is the best conference Krispy but lets not get crazy, its not like the other conferences can't compete.

[Kris P Lettus]

The more things change, the more they stay the same..

http://www.swampie.net/Portals/0/Ohio%20State%20Crying%20man.JPG

[Kris P Lettus]

I know there alot of great teams outside the SEC, I'm just talking shit..

[Reavant]

I think the WAC is the best

[MTH15]

Picture...WTF?

[Kris P Lettus]

Are you talking about the pic I posted??

If so, it's some Ohio State fans "SammyGing" it up after Florida beat that ass last year in the BSC title game..

[MTH15]

Lol lmfao

[Reavant]

The SEC is good but I dont understand how you can claim theyre the best... usually you would have to look at out of conference play and see how they did against quality schools out of their conference. Now LSU had one quality win out of conference and it was a beating of Va tech. But the rest of the teams were shit. Whatever I think LSU has the best talent in the country. They should win em all. But lets look at the other schools....

Georgia beats Oklahoima St. and Georgia Tech. both unranked, and ending with a combined 11 losses.

Tennesse, the SEC east champ and second place in the SEC, loses by two touchdowns to a 6-6 California team. The other teams they play are shit.

Florida plays Westerm Kentuckey, Troy, FAU, and Florida St. Are you serious?

Kentuckey plays a schedual almost the exact same as Florida except they have a win over a Louisville thats ranked #9 at the time but ends with a 6-6 record.

South Carolina and Vanderbilt play noone what so ever.

Auburn beats a 7 loss Kansas St. team and loses to South Florida, who I know were ranked number two at one time, but its fuckin Auburn! Arent they supposed to be really good?

Arkansas plays through a bunch of 1-AA teams

And Im not even going to waste my time with Miss St. alabama and Mississippi.

Yea Florida being an SEC team won the national Championship, but that doesnt have anything to do with the conference... that has to do with the team. And yea LSU beat Notre Dame... but who didnt beat Notre Dame that year?

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.collegefootballseason.com/gamedetails.cfm?ConfId=24&OOC=1&Result=W

http://www.collegefootballseason.com/gamedetails.cfm?ConfId=24&OOC=1&Result=L

The first chart is much, much bigger for some reason..

I dunno..

[Reavant]

That would be because the wins, other than Va Tech, came from the sunbelt, con USA and 1AA. Are ya serious right now?

Exce0pt for one school.... what happened when the SEC played another BCS conference????

[Kris P Lettus]

There are 12 SEC schools, who all could beat any other SEC school on any given Saturday..

It would be stupid to play alot out of confrence..

[Kris P Lettus]

That's what Bowl games and the BCS title is for..

[RoXer]

7-7 against BCS conferences.

[Kris P Lettus]

We'll see who wins the national championship..

[RoXer]

Ole Miss?

[Kris P Lettus]

I fucking wish..

On that topic, I am pumped about Houston Nutt.. He took Ark to 7 Bowl games and 2 SEC Championships in 15 years.. Fuck a national title, I'll be happy with a winning record..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That's what Bowl games and the BCS title is for..

And that is what I hate. If there was a playoff system in place teams would be more likely to play a stronger non-conference schedule, thus more interesting games would take place. Instead most teams are afraid of losing outside their conference so they schedule cupcakes.

[MTH15]

Whens the first BCS GAME?

[Reavant]

And that is what I hate. If there was a playoff system in place teams would be more likely to play a stronger non-conference schedule, thus more interesting games would take place. Instead most teams are afraid of losing outside their conference so they schedule cupcakes.

exactly. If it werent for the national championship game big ten teams would only be able to play pac 10 teams in the rose bowl. Same with other conferences in the other bowls. The other divisions have it right, so why cant the top division get it?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Glad Tebow won it and didn't get snubbed due to being an underclassman. Probably gonna get all the hot Florida pussy he could possibly desire.</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno he was homeschooled

[McLegend]

And is quite relgious

[Reavant]

Whatever... the kid prolly tells every girl hes a virgin and they could be the first and they drop their pants

[BCWWF]

Oh yeah, didn't Stima go on a big rant on Tebow's homeschooledness at some point last year?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey in case you didn't know Tim Tebow would like to give thanks to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

like if he didn't say Lord and Savior every time we'd forget who he was talking about

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yeah, didn't Stima go on a big rant on Tebow's homeschooledness at some point last year?

lol I was joking around mostly, but yeah I did

[Reavant]

anyone else find he looks erilly similar to rex grossman in the facial department?

[MTH15]

Yes

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why does Kirk Herbstret hate Boston College so much? He picked them to lose to Michigan State as his upset bowl pick for this year lol

[MTH15]

Lol his last name is Herbstreet. What do you expect?

[Kris P Lettus]

Southern Miss FTW

[Kris P Lettus]

I hate this woman that commentates college football for ESPN..

HATE her..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah she's awful. I dunno I consider myself an open minded person but I hate all female commentators.

It's her fault Cincy is playing like shit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Southerns Stout D

Plus y'alls QB has ZERO accuracy..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

All the talk leading up to the game was that UC wanted to rush their offense to throw off Southern Miss' D under their new coach but it looks like it just got Mauk out of rhythm. He was 9th in the nation in efficiency rating this year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There we go. 7-7.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Krispy maybe you can answer this: what's the deal with UAB having an 80,000 seat stadium?

[Reavant]

its probably used for hs football more lol

[Kris P Lettus]

No idea.. Specially when you have Bama and Auburn right around the corner.. The only thing I can figure is, UAB is always on the SEC schedule, and alot of the SEC fans drive to every game..

I dunno..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Totally random but if Hawaii beats Georgia I think they should get a share of the National Title

[Kris P Lettus]

Bull Shit

You can not be a national champ without playing in the championship game..

Supreme, my buddy who lives in Brimingham is in town for the holidays.. Anyway, he went to the game yesterday b/c he lives there and graduated from Southern.. He mentioned going to the game during the Saints game today so I asked him and he said that the sadium has been around longer than the college and that they might have used to played Bama games there..

Dunno..

[Kris P Lettus]

The University of Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football) once played up to three home football games there every season (including the entire 1987 home slate due to major renovations at Bryant-Denny Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant-Denny_Stadium), the Crimson Tide's on-campus home in Tuscaloosa), but has ended this practice; its last game at Legion Field was a 40-17 victory over the University of South Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Florida) on August 30, 2003. Auburn University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) also used Legion Field less extensively, but the Tigers left upon the expansion of Jordan-Hare Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan-Hare_Stadium) to a greater seating capacity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seating_capacity). After 1980, Auburn's only home game in Birmingham was the Iron Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Bowl) up to 1987 and in 1991.And it used to seat like 11k more until the upper deck was removed..

p.s. The Iron Bowl is the yearly Auburn/Bama game..

[Reavant]

Bull Shit

You can not be a national champ without playing in the championship game..

..

theres extenuating circumstances i think. For example you have three undefeated teams and two are in the title game and the other blows out the team they play. If Hawaii obliterates georgia by a rediculous amount of points then they probably do deserve a share.

[Kris P Lettus]

No way they blow out GA but even if they did, they don't deserve a share of anything.. It's like the last time LSU won the BCS title they had to share it with USC.. F'n bullshit.. If you don't play in the championship game, you don't deserve part of the title.. Bottom line.. If you don't like that Hawaii might get shafted as an undefeated team, then they need to change to a playoff system..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I doubt you'd feel that way if it is LSU (or some other SEC team) getting a share though. Hawaii is the only undefeated team in the country and if they beat Georgia, who a lot of people think is a top 5 team then I think they deserve a share. I don't give fuck about some system a bunch of old rich white guys made up

I personally think Auburn should have gotten a share the year they went undefeated and beat Virgina Tech (I think that's who it was) in their BCS game as well.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't think Auburn deserved a share of the title because they obv didn't deserve to make it to the BSC Championship game, even with going undefeated in the SEC, according to the BCS.. Do I personally think they deserve to be there?? Yes.. Do I make the calls in the BCS?? No..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why does the BCS Champion have to be the only National Champion?

[Kris P Lettus]

Because it's the National Championship game??

[Reavant]

When USC got a share of the championship it was the year when Oklahoma was #1 all year and lost their big 12 champ game and was still ranked #1 or 2 by the BCS coputers while LSU and USC both had one loss. LSU ended up beating Oklahoma and USC fucked up a good Michigan or Penn State team. I would say USC deserved a share because they deserved to be in the game while Oklahoma did not.

OH and by the way The national title may have a championship game now but they still do vote on a champ like they have done EVER SINCE THERE WAS COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Like all those years when there would be real good undefeated teams and they would vote Notre Dame national champs and situations like that. If both teams stink it up in the title game and/or one team who was borderline on getting into it and blows out their opponent, the voters can vote whoever they want as the national champion.

You try and argue that theres a system and they need to follow it, but they are following the system.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Because it's the National Championship game??
Its the BCS National Championship game

I'm pretty sure the AP can still vote for whoever they want (much like they did with USC) I think something was put into place recently to try to stop it from happening, but I think it still can

[Kris P Lettus]

Bottom line is, the system is retarded and they should use some sort of playoffs..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If Hawaii beats Georgia how can you say they don't deserve consideration for being national champions over possibly a two loss team? Because they weren't chosen to play in a game they never had a chance to play in in the first place? How can you definitively say Ohio State or LSU is the better team than an undefeated Hawaii?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Here's the thing that annoys me the most about this year. Hawaii started the season ranked in the top 25 meaning the voters thought they were one of the best teams in football before a game was ever played. Over the season every single team in front of them lost at least once and all except two lost at least twice. Boston College, Oregon, Kansas, Missouri, and South Florida all started the season UNRANKED, yet they all were able to move up to #1 or #2 during the year. And all Hawaii could do was move up to #10.

[MTH15]

And people on TV like newscasters say "Oh college football will not use playoffs. The bowl games are a better way to be successful in a season instead of going home with nothing." We're not asking for a playoffs....We're asking for a sort of playoffs. You can keep the bowls and make them into brackets for Bowls or something else

[BCWWF]

When USC got a share of the championship it was the year when Oklahoma was #1 all year and lost their big 12 champ game and was still ranked #1 or 2 by the BCS coputers while LSU and USC both had one loss. LSU ended up beating Oklahoma and USC fucked up a good Michigan or Penn State team. I would say USC deserved a share because they deserved to be in the game while Oklahoma did not.

I hate this argument. Oklahoma is No. 1 all year and dominated everybody they play until their conference championship game against a great Kansas State team, but then because they lose that game another one loss team, USC, is automatically better. They both had one loss and Oklahoma was far more impressive all season. Just because they lost in the last game people said they didn't deserve it. K-State was probably much better than whoever USC lost to that year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

And people on TV like newscasters say "Oh college football will not use playoffs. The bowl games are a better way to be successful in a season instead of going home with nothing." We're not asking for a playoffs....We're asking for a sort of playoffs. You can keep the bowls and make them into brackets for Bowls or something else
That's probably the smartest thing you've ever posted

[MTH15]

:D

[Reavant]

I hate this argument. Oklahoma is No. 1 all year and dominated everybody they play until their conference championship game against a great Kansas State team, but then because they lose that game another one loss team, USC, is automatically better. They both had one loss and Oklahoma was far more impressive all season. Just because they lost in the last game people said they didn't deserve it. K-State was probably much better than whoever USC lost to that year.

Oklahoma ran the score up against shit teams all year. Thats the only reason they stayed up there in rankings. The beat texas tech 77-0 for example. hand it to em... they played the system right, but just because they pile on points doesnt mean theyre incredably dominant, it means that they dont care about the unwritten slaughter rules that coaches like to abide by which doesnt matter anyway.

[MTH15]

I think there should be no kneeling of the ball.

[BCWWF]

Oklahoma ran the score up against shit teams all year. Thats the only reason they stayed up there in rankings. The beat texas tech 77-0 for example. hand it to em... they played the system right, but just because they pile on points doesnt mean theyre incredably dominant, it means that they dont care about the unwritten slaughter rules that coaches like to abide by which doesnt matter anyway.

First, I'm pretty sure it was A&M, and second, 77 points on A&M is an impressive feat no matter what.

[Reavant]

yea 77 points on almost any d1 team is impressive thats why the computers kept them up in the ratings

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow that Purdue/Central Michigan game was fucking sweet. C.Michigan made a huge comeback only to lose by a last second field goal. 3 of Purdue's wideouts had over 100 yards and another one had around 60, pretty ridiculous offensive output by both teams

[MTH15]

Yea post

[loopydate]

:'( We were so close...

[MTH15]

Lol

[Kris P Lettus]

Miss States D looked really good today..

MSU 10 UCF 3

WOOOOOO

SEC 1-0 in the BCS series so far..

[Kris P Lettus]

Love me some Sly Croom..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

BC played like absolute garbage, still came away with the W though. Pretty sweet

That MSU/UCF game that was on today was so boring, it seemed like they never got inside the 30 on either side of the field the entire time

[Kris P Lettus]

Except the TD MSU scored..

[Kris P Lettus]

Kentucky

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow South Florida is getting smashed by Oregon

How is Kentucky only up 7? I figured they'd be up big by now, FSU didn't bring like 1/3 of its team

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol pick 6 for FSU

[Kris P Lettus]

WTF

This fucking nerd of a commentator has been going on for five minutes about the saftey issues with flipping into the endzone.. He even said that players should be ejected for it.. WTF The dude just tied up a bowl game where they are missing like 30 players and no one picked them to win via a pick six..

STFU you fucking nerd

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow huge call on that FG, giving them another chance for 7 but it took 3 points off the board though. Watch them throw a pick or something now

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Random but I like how one team is wearing all white and the other is wearing all maroon, looks pretty slick

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL he ended up missing the FG - that's hilarious

[Kris P Lettus]

:foc:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just tied your boy Jared Lorenzen with that last TD pass Kris P

[Kris P Lettus]

I saw that..

Pillsbury Throwboy

:love:

[Kris P Lettus]

Auburn

[Kris P Lettus]

Paul McGuire is mad drunk..

LOL

[mrslackalack]

I hope the bigger bowl games have more thrilling action. UK/FSU, Navy/Utah and Purdue/Central Michigan have been the only pretty exciting bowl games IMO. Some games that I thought would be good such as ASU/Texas, Oregon/USF and Ok St/Indiana have been blowouts.

[mrslackalack]

I love McGuire, hes like the Bobby Hennan of football commentating.

[MTH15]

MONGED?

[BCWWF]

Missouri 21-0 over Arkansas in the third quarter of the Cotton Bowl. Nice job, BCS. Mizzou is probably going to finish the season ranked No. 5.

[BCWWF]

Actually, to clarify, it was the Orange Bowl, not specifically the BCS, that screwed that up.

[MTH15]

Lol. That highlight was halarious

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow Michigan is putting up a fight against Florida here

A lot of parody this season, no team/conference has really dominated at all

[Nervous Ferret]

What is wrong with Tim Tebow's face

[RP]

This Michigan vs Florida game is really really good. Chad Henne looks like he can start in the NFL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow Michigan with a huge victory, so much for the Big 10 not being able to keep with the speed of the SEC eh?

[Reavant]

What is wrong with Tim Tebow's face

its a clone of rex grossman's

[Reavant]

arkansas got gang raped and michigan looked amazing

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Can't wait for Georgia/Hawaii tonight, I think Georgia is gonna win by 2 scores but I dunno, I thought the same thing about Florida today

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

USC's defense is pretty legit, putting on a show

[McLegend]

Fox is really gay with the lack of replays

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hawaii is no match for Georgia in this one, which sucks, I just wanted to see a good game.

[BCWWF]

Hawaii 3 - 31 UGA in the third ... :|

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

41-10 now and Georgia is threating

Tough way for Breenan to go out

Also I just read some article about how their can't be playoff until all the bowl contracts run out at the same time, which will never happen because they are staggered (like 2 of the BCS bowl contracts are up after this year, one isn't for like 4 years etc) http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10551805

[Vastardikai]

Hawaii got slaughtered.

[MTH15]

But raped

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I got Virgina Tech tonight over Kansas

I have no idea how Kansas even made it to a BCS game over Missouri

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I have no clue how to pick the game tonight. I could honestly see either team winning by 30.

[McLegend]

Wow OU really can't stop WVU.

[MTH15]

WV should've been pick to face VT

[Skippord]

Maybe OU should stop playing in the Fiesta Bowl.

[Shadow]

Wow...the guy who left WVU for Michigan has to be kicking himself now.

20 point victory? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thought tonight was the Orange Bowl for some reason...welp either way WVU layed a whooping on Oklahoma...didn't see that coming.

Anyone else Jim Ross on the sidelines? lol

[McLegend]

Yeah that was great.

Also this game was Bowling shoe ugly for the Sooners

[McLegend]

Yes I made a bad joke... F u

[BCWWF]

Lol, I saw J.R. too. I pointed him out but nobody at my table knew what I was talking about. Oklahoma was really hit or miss all season. Dominated some games, but then lost to Colorado and Oklahoma State and barely scraped by Iowa State. I thought, at their best, they could have been National Championship Game worthy, esp. over Ohio State, but the one loss thing.

Anyway, even before it's all done:
1. LSU
2. Georgia
3. Ohio State
4. Virginia Tech
5. West Virginia
6. USC
7. Oklahoma
8. Missouri

The rest really don't matter. By default, Kansas will lose but nobody directly below them will win so they won't move down far, if at all. If things went as they should have, Mizzou should be finishing the season 4-5, but BCS and Oklahoma's bad game move them down.

This is who I think it should be, based not on the last set of rankings, and assuming an LSU and VT win, both without much pressure.

1. LSU
2. West Virginia
3. Georgia
4. Missouri
5. Oklahoma
6. Virginia Tech
7. USC
8. Ohio State

[mrslackalack]

I have a feeling that if Ohio St beats LSU in the BCS title game that some voters will vote for USC just because they whipped Illnois and Illnois beat Ohio St.

[mrslackalack]

I wonder if J.R. said on the sideline ''that the field is not made of BBQ sauce and the FG Poles are not chocolate''??? lol

[MTH15]

We lost by 3 points FUCK.

[BCWWF]

Virginia Tech, huh.

[MTH15]

SDFU SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW! I cant believe it

[Kris P Lettus]

Ark and Fla both lost but LSU is still gonna win the National Title so..

:cool:

[Reavant]

HA whatever its all about the O

[Kris P Lettus]

Bet an avatar or status??

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, the O is like the XBox red ring..

:foc:

[MTH15]

Lol. Well we should own next year with Tyrone

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I thought Missouri had beef about the BCS when they got snubbed for Kansas, but I completely forgot they beat Illinois earlier in the season too. They really got hosed.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Krispy if you would like to engage in a wager of some sorts, then let us do battle.

[Kris P Lettus]

BET IT UP SON

[MTH15]

BCS BOWL

[BCWWF]

Am I the only one who has no idea what MTH15's affiliations are?

[Skippord]

Virginia Tech

[mrslackalack]

If I am correct he said before he likes VT because of Vick????

[mrslackalack]

I heard the ONLY reason Illnois got into the BCS bowl is because The Rose Bowl always wants it to be a Pac 10-Big 10 matchup. With Ohio St going to the BCS title game Illnois was the #2 team in the Big Ten and thus went over Missouri (although some people wanted Ari St) to a BCS bowl.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard the ONLY reason Illnois got into the BCS bowl is because The Rose Bowl always wants it to be a Pac 10-Big 10 matchup. With Ohio St going to the BCS title game Illnois was the #2 team in the Big Ten and thus went over Missouri (although some people wanted Ari St) to a BCS bowl.The Rose Bowl committee did want to keep it an Pac10/Big 10 thing. However I don't think Missouri was even avaiable for their game because the Orange Bowl picked Kansas before the Rose Bowl got to choose. Add that with Oklahoma getting an automatic bid there was no room for Missouri due to the 2 team per conference limit.

I heard something like the Rose Bowl got to pick between Hawaii, Boston College, Arizona State (not totally sure on that one though) or a Big 10 team

[MTH15]

I like V-Tech because its just been my squad. Not even cause of Vick. I dont know. Just chose them then stuck with them

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Knew Tulsa would smash Bowling Green, hopefully that helps in College Bowl Pick 'em cuz I had that pretty high on my "confidence" list...doubt a lot of other people in my group did

[RP]

I'm kinda rooting for OSU.

[Kris P Lettus]

Krispy if you would like to engage in a wager of some sorts, then let us do battle.

Either avatar or custom status, I don't care..

Just putting that down for the record before the game..

:y:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

how bout both

[Kris P Lettus]

word

From tomorrow until next Monday..

[BCWWF]

Honestly, I am more interested in American Gladiators

[Supreme Olajuwon]

have fun

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think LSU is gonna win, but after watching all these bowl games the SEC wasn't as good as I thought this year so I dunno. I still think LSU is gonna win, but I think its gonna be closer than I expected earlier.

[MTH15]

I hope LSU wins by last play miracle.

[Kris P Lettus]

What does Ohio State and Marijuana have in common??

Both are getting smoked in a bowl right now..

LOL

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LSU ends up coming out with the W, too many dumb mistakes by Ohio State and LSU was able to capitalize on almost every single one.

[Kris P Lettus]

With the way y'alls football team played, I can see why the marching band is the pride of the Ohio State Buckeyes..

BURN

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Got anymore lame jokes Krispy?

Too bad that dude Seitz had to get hurt early on in the game, pretty gangsta that both of the first team All American safties are white boys :cool:

[Kris P Lettus]

Steltz is a f'n stud.. Did they ever say what happened to him?? Fractured arm or summat??

I hope we go after him or Zenon in the draft..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They said he had a stinger at first and that his arm was numb or something. Then they mentioned something about a strain I think, not totally sure what the deal was but it had to do with his shoulder

I dunno what his draft stock is gonna be like, he was a great college safety no doubt but I dunno how his speed matches up with other draft prospects

[Kris P Lettus]

Supreme

Buckeyes=Browneyes

[BCWWF]

Did you mean to say "Brownies?" Or is there something I am missing with brown eyed people?

As I said, watched American Gladiators and it was far more exciting than the football I watched after.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

You don't know what a "brown eye" is??

LOL

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

As I said, watched American Gladiators and it was far more exciting than the football I watched after.We get it you are anti-football

[BCWWF]

I'm not anti-football. This was just a terribly boring way to end one of the most interesting college football seasons in years.

[MTH15]

No it's not

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah the BCS Bowl games where pretty weak sauce. There was some great bowl games though, I really enjoyed the BC/Michigan State one (from what I can remember anyway, had a few too many that day) and the UF/Michigan one was awesome.

Its just sad to know that there is no college football again until September :(

[BCWWF]

Honestly, in this format, I don't know what the right BCS championship should have been. On one hand I feel like LSU is a top team but I'm not convinced that they are the best team in the nation. I never thought Ohio State was the second best team either, but you can't really knock them off because they only lost one game. This is the year when they really needed a playoffs (to be fair, in most seasons the BCS national championship has the two obvious best teams).

Honestly, I thought Oklahoma should have been No. 2 and in the BCS championship, but they didn't really prove my point in the Fiesta Bowl. I still think that on a given night they could be the best team in the nation though.

Not in any order, I think any of these teams could have won an 8-team playoff: LSU, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Georgia. Maybe USC.

[Reavant]

:|

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Only a maybe for USC...really?

And to be fair, the BCS hasn't always picked the two most obvious teams becase outside of 2003 there hasn't been obvious teams. Every other year there has been debate

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God damn Ohio State really crumbled under pressure. I didn't watch much of the second half because I was at a bar but it looked like after LSU tied the game a lot of guys just quit. Malcolm Jenkins played awful even with his interception. Pretty terrible showing after getting shit on the entire season for being overrated.

Chris Wells is winning the Heisman next year though.

[MTH15]

VT vs KU?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10567409

Ryan Mallet, who most had as the #2 QB coming outta high school year behind Clasen, is leaving Michigan. Can't say that I'm surprised, he doesn't really fit that offense. Where ever he ends up though is gonna be getting a great QB, of course he'll have to sit out next season due to transfering. I really hope he doesn't go to Tennessee but I think that's where'll end up.

[mrslackalack]

I heard rumors that Mallett would transfer to UCLA

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Everyone who is leaving early so far...

Branden Albert Virginia OG 6-7 310 Jr.
Adrian Arrington Michigan WR 6-3 195 Jr.
James Banks Carson Newman WR 6-2 210 Jr.
Martellus Bennett Texas A&M TE 6-7 253 Jr.
Earl Bennett Vanderbilt WR 6-1 202 Jr.
Davone Bess Hawaii WR 5-10 195 Jr.
Calais Campbell Miami (Fla.) DE 6-8 280 Jr.
Jamaal Charles Texas RB 6-1 205 Jr.
Ryan Clady Boise State OT 6-6 319 Jr.
Anthony Collins Kansas OT 6-6 310 Jr.
James Davis Clemson RB 5-11 205 Jr.
Johnny Dingle West Virginia DE 6-3 260 Jr.
Franklin Dunbar Middle Tennessee State OT 6-5 320 Jr.
Jermichael Finley Texas TE 6-5 240 Soph.
Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech CB 5-10 192 Jr.
Vernon Gholston Ohio State DE 6-4 264 Jr.
Ryan Grice-Mullins Hawaii WR 5-11 179 Jr.
James Hardy Indiana WR 6-7 220 Jr.
Victor Harris Virginia Tech CB 6-0 195 Jr.
Derrick Harvey Florida DE 6-4 262 Jr.
Geno Hayes Florida State LB 6-2 218 Jr.
Erin Henderson Maryland LB 6-3 236 Jr.
Jack Ikegwuonu Wisconsin DB 6-1 193 Jr.
Felix Jones Arkansas RB 6-0 200 Jr.
Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma WR 6-4 217 Jr.
Justin King Penn State CB 6-0 186 Jr.
Jerod Mayo Tennessee LB 6-2 230 Jr.
Darren McFadden Arkansas RB 6-2 205 Jr.
Phillip Merling Clemson DE 6-5 270 Jr.
DaJuan Morgan N.C. State S 6-1 200 Jr.
Lamar Myles Louisville LB 6-0 220 Jr.
Kenny Phillips Miami (Fla.) S 6-2 210 Jr.
Darius Reynaud West Virginia WR 5-10 205 Jr.
Ray Rice Rutgers RB 5-9 205 Jr.
Orlando Scandrick Boise State CB 5-11 187 Jr.
Pat Sims Auburn DT 6-4 316 Jr.
Steve Slaton West Virginia RB 5-10 195 Jr.
Kevin Smith UCF RB 6-1 211 Jr.
Taj Smith Syracuse WR 6-1 188 Jr.
Jonathan Stewart Oregon RB 5-11 230 Jr.
Aqib Talib Kansas CB 6-2 205 Jr.
Devin Thomas Michigan State WR 6-2 218 Jr.
Mario Urrutia Louisville WR 6-6 228 Jr.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Laurinaitis is coming back next year for his senior season :love:

[mrslackalack]

Some suprised me like Smith and Slaton. Laurentis suprised me by annoucing hes staying but I guess his family has plenty of money where he can enjoy his sr. season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Slaton isn't gonna do shit in the NFL, he seemed to be pretty soft in college. Whatever though, now its gonna be the Noel Devine show

Laurentis coming back is pretty huge, so far only one of like 18 or whatever underclassmen who filed paperwork to the NFL have officially declared (that being defensive end Vernon Gholston one of the most insanely jacked human beings I have ever seen)