Matt Hardy and Chavo Guerrero: Main Eventers?

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is not a realistic suggestion, so don't tell me to get off the crack. I already know I am insane. This is just a discussion of the hypothetical proposal of Matt Hardy and Chavo Guerrero being a possible main event players. No, not necessarily World Champions; just guys WWE can elevate on SmackDown! during the barren period it is currently going through.

A lot of people on these boards want to see Matt Hardy getting upped to the main event, so he can feud with Edge over the World Heavyweight Championship. I am the first to admit that would be fucking sweet. Matt Hardy is long deserving of being placed in the main event, and it is depressing that the WWE dropped the ball so badly with him when he returned in 2005. Two years have passed, and Matt is still damn good in the ring, and he still retains the fans' interest like so few in WWE. Matt is the easy one to answer, unless you are one of the guys detractors.

Chavo Guerrero is where I am going to run into a lot of the crack comments, but hear me out. First of all, let's start with someone who I think would be integral to elevating Chavo Guerrero to main event status:

Rey Mysterio is seen by the WWE as one of its top guys. He's been drawing in the Hispanic audiences, and they apparently see him as one of their "top eight." I think the plan was for Rey Mysterio to face Vince McMahon at Summerslam, until Vince so unfortunately exploded. Now, while Rey himself is a shakey excuse for a main eventer, it was mainly the execution that people had a problem with last year. They jobbed him out constantly in non-title matches, and had him do the whole "I love Eddie" thing. When Rey returns they won't likely associate Rey with Eddie Guerrero, and they might get back to pushing him because he he is over, and he can put on entertaining matches.

With Rey Mysterio almost being certain for SmackDown!'s main event scene when he returns (unless he gets drafted on Sunday, of course), I think it would only make sense that the guy who beat him in his last appearance, and the man responsible for his injury (kayfabe-wise), in the first place, should get the nod up as well. Much like how Edge could help elevate his rival in Matt Hardy, Rey Mysterio could help elevate his rival in Chavo Guerrero. In fact, an Edge & Chavo vs. Matt & Rey match would actually kick a lot of ass. It contains half of the SmackDown! six, and Matt Hardy. Never a bad combination.

So yeah, the only question that really remains is whether or not Chavo Guerrero has the skills to be a main event guy. Personally, I'd prefer the guy over Mark Henry and The Great Khali. Chavo can at least wrestle, and he's grown up in the business, and he has the Guerrero name. No, they don't have to reference Eddie, but his name is one that should just be known to wrestling fans. Sure, his mic skills aren't great, but look at Bobby Lashley and, once again, The Great Khali. The guy's current status as Cruiserweight Champion (and hence his size) are all that really hold him back, but if he's pushed as the "anti-Rey Mysterio," I think it would work. The fans know Chavo, they know he can hang in there when he needs to, and they should be willing to accept him as more than a mid-card guy.

The WWE can even use his ties to Vickie Guerrero as a way to get him heel heat. Have Vickie give him the high profile matches, and have Michael Cole chastise him for knowing someone in management. JBL can defend the guy by pointing out that on the Eddie Guerrero Tribute Show, Chavo Guerrero was in no way mentally 100%, but he was still defeated by Chavo. JBL could also point out he is been working his life to get where he is, and that he deserves to take a shortcut now it has presented itself, and that Michael Cole isn't good at his job, but still calls SmackDown!. JBL can elevate talent in the booth better than anyone save maybe Paul Heyman, so I'm sure he could establish Chavo Guerrero as being something more than a cruiserweight to home audiences.

Anyway, yay or nay to Matt Hardy and Chavo Guerrero being elevated to SmackDown!'s main event?

[D Mac]

Not in my book. Never could get into either of the Hardys. Just don't see what the appeal is there.

[Jura]

I'm going with a no on Chavo. I like Jeff but I hate Matt.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Nothing against Vickie personally, but I can't STAND her on my tv. She doesn't belong anywhere near a main event scene, so as long as Chavo is tied to her, I say no.

Chavo/Edge would be great work rate wise for matches IMO though, but that would mean turning him face to feud with Edge and I think he's better as a heel. If it were to happen, I'd like it to happen with Rey out of the picture so Chavo could develop on his own and not have to rely on Eddie or Rey to get over either way. The guy could always go in the ring and so can Edge. I'd rather see that 1000 times more than Batista, Khali, Henry, etc.

Hardy, absolutely. :y:

[IC Champion]

I've always thought Chavo could be, and I'm starting to think that Matt Hardy could be too.

[The Optimist]

Yay on both. But it would take some HARD HARD selling. I was about to say that Helms looks closer than Chavo, but part of that is JBL originated, so I'm sure that could also pertain to Chavo.

[NoRoolz]

I'd love either in the main-event scene. Like a main-event match now is Khali V Henry, compare that to a Edge V Chavo/Matt match and there's no contest which would be a better quality match. The thing is, when wrestlers are around the mid-cards for so long then get pushed to the main-event many people find it very hard to take them seriously as main-eventers.

Like some of my mark friends who don't really watch wrestling any more I tell them 'Edge is Heavyweight Champion' and they're like wtf? He should be I.C Champion at most!

To be honest I would rather keep Chavo at upper-midcard level but I would like Hardy to be promoted to main-event level, maybe if he was 'injured' again by Edge, took a few months out and returned attacking Edge in some way it could help elevate him. Alienoid could book this angle so that Hardy could look like a legitimate main-eventer to the casual fans, so why can't the WWE writers?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd love either in the main-event scene. Like a main-event match now is Khali V Henry, compare that to a Edge V Chavo/Matt match and there's no contest which would be a better quality match. The thing is, when wrestlers are around the mid-cards for so long then get pushed to the main-event many people find it very hard to take them seriously as main-eventers.

Like some of my mark friends who don't really watch wrestling any more I tell them 'Edge is Heavyweight Champion' and they're like wtf? He should be I.C Champion at most!

To be honest I would rather keep Chavo at upper-midcard level but I would like Hardy to be promoted to main-event level, maybe if he was 'injured' again by Edge, took a few months out and returned attacking Edge in some way it could help elevate him. Alienoid could book this angle so that Hardy could look like a legitimate main-eventer to the casual fans, so why can't the WWE writers?

That is a problem, and it's a fear I think the WWE needs to overcome if it is to evolve. The WWE hung on to Triple H far too long in the early days of the brand split, instead of creating their own stars, and it has come back to hurt them. Right now, the stars that the WWE do have should be elevating other talent to the main event. I think that's why Chris Benoit has gone to ECW, so that is good news. Hopefully we see a similar thing happen with Shawn Michaels and Triple H when they return, because neither guy can have too many years left. The WWE definitely shouldn't be hanging on their shoulders.

And that these same guys could be main event players, and yet the WWE releases them with the excuse "we have nothing for them" is exactly the reason I come up with the scenarios I do. To prove that things can be done with them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thanks for the tactful replies, everyone. You've all been repped accordingly.

It would take some hard selling, and it would require that the WWE put their head down and focus on elevating guys with talent, but I think it is something that can be used to make quite a few stars for the WWE. I mean, if Matt Hardy and Chavo Guerrero can make it, by say, the end of the year, that means that ideally, Jeff Hardy can be elevated (he is meant to be Matt's equal), and that the person who dethrones Chavo Guerrero (at the moment, it looks to be Jimmy Wang Yang) could look a whole lot more credible, retarded gimmick or not.

I'm glad to hear some people are open to the idea, but I can understand why people would not be. :y:

[What Would Kevin Do?]

As I mentioned in another thread, while it would never happen, Matt Hardy could easily be the person who blew up Vince's limo.

In regards to Chavo, I could buy him at midcard, but not really as main event. I could see him work a small main event program, but never be a constant player.

[hb2k]

Honestly, I've always though Chavo was overrated. He's a good wrestler, but I can't help but think people overestimate his ability because of the company he kept for a 4 month period back in 2002. He doesn't have the charisma or speaking skills to fulfill a main event role, so while he's fine in a certain role, he won't break that level.

Matt Hardy has unbelieveable support for somebody they don't cater to, and if I was running the show, I'd give Matt at least a shot in a major program to see how he fares with his talking and how the fans respond - it's a risk worth taking in my opinion, although Jeff is the more charismatic of the two.

[Kane Knight]

As long as we're talking batshit crazy, I think we should have Chavo legally change his name to Eddie, and try to "win over" the fans as his dead "Amigo."

[BigDaddyCool]

Not realistic. Get off the crack.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As long as we're talking batshit crazy, I think we should have Chavo legally change his name to Eddie, and try to "win over" the fans as his dead "Amigo."

Why not have Rey do the same, and have an Eddie vs. Eddie feud?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly, I've always though Chavo was overrated. He's a good wrestler, but I can't help but think people overestimate his ability because of the company he kept for a 4 month period back in 2002. He doesn't have the charisma or speaking skills to fulfill a main event role, so while he's fine in a certain role, he won't break that level.

Matt Hardy has unbelieveable support for somebody they don't cater to, and if I was running the show, I'd give Matt at least a shot in a major program to see how he fares with his talking and how the fans respond - it's a risk worth taking in my opinion, although Jeff is the more charismatic of the two.

I've always liked Chavo more than Eddie, but that's just me. I think it's just because Chavo looks like a nice guy, and I don't get why he is constantly overlooked by sections of the IWC. I personally think Chavo has the charisma, but perhaps not the speaking skill. I know it was because of his tie to Eddie, but when he came out after Rey Mysterio won the World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania 22, the mood honestly changed, and I thought to myself "Why isn't this guy in Rey's position." He looked in complete control of the moment. But that's just my perception of it, and it was just one moment.

I'm glad to hear you'd give Matt Hardy a chance. A lot of people criticise Matt on his speaking skills, and I can understand that, but the guy was genuinely entertaining from a personality standpoint during his Mattitude run. Once again, but this is merely my opinion, but when Matt Hardy has things going for him, he is much more charismatic than Jeff. Matt is also better on the mic. The only thing I think Jeff is better at than Matt is attempting suicide by jumping off something.

[Kane Knight]

Why not have Rey do the same, and have an Eddie vs. Eddie feud?

That would make for the most confusing crowd chant ever.

"Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!" Would be so fucking :wtf: at that point.

[NoRoolz]

As long as we're talking batshit crazy, I think we should have Chavo legally change his name to Eddie, and try to "win over" the fans as his dead "Amigo."

Or why not have him change his name to Kerwin.

...wait

[St. Jimmy]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL-No.

[Mercury Bullet]

Okay #1) I can't be bothered to read this whole thread.

And #2) Chavo - No, Hardy - Yes

And #3) I'm not going to justify myself because that's how I roll.

:foc:

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would make for the most confusing crowd chant ever.

"Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!" Would be so fucking :wtf: at that point.

Aren't they like "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie," anyway?

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL-No.

Yeah, but no offence, you think RAW is the best wrestling show on television. Of course utilising good talent wouldn't be high on your priorities. :p

[Dorkchop]

I like Chavo, think he's the goods, but not as a main eventer. If the WWE actually had a sweet IC scene I'd like to see Chavo in that. Maybe...... maybe, headline a PPV challenging for the title, looking very strong, but not winning it (remember, not everyone needs to win a world title). Maybe a main event feud or two, but that's it.

Matt Hardy could with a somewhat new look and expanded character. He's always had the crowd support. The crowd loved him in the battle royal, Monday night.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Chavo, think he's the goods, but not as a main eventer. If the WWE actually had a sweet IC scene I'd like to see Chavo in that. Maybe...... maybe, headline a PPV challenging for the title, looking very strong, but not winning it (remember, not everyone needs to win a world title). Maybe a main event feud or two, but that's it.

Matt Hardy could with a somewhat new look and expanded character. He's always had the crowd support. The crowd loved him in the battle royal, Monday night.

Yeah, that's pretty much all I'm suggesting for Chavo. Not a World Title win, or even a consistent run in the main event, but just being able to compete their occasionally, and not look too out of place.

I think an expanded character is definitely overdue for Matt Hardy. I love it when he leaks little bits of heel into his personality, like at WrestleMania when he coerced Jeff into nearly killing Edge, and himself; and when he threatened to give Sharmell the Twist of Fate. I think giving him a run with the United States Title, and having him kind of develop a bit of an ego, would be a great direction to take his character.

[Kane Knight]

Aren't they like "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie," anyway?

Yeah, it was the surrealism of two "eddies" in ring at the time that was the issue, not the chant.

[AdrianM]

so...

what is the top 8?
and what are the Smackdown 6?

[Linkbowler]

I think giving him a run with the United States Title, and having him kind of develop a bit of an ego, would be a great direction to take his character.

So you're saying he should go back to the Matt Hardy Version 1 thing?

I could deal with that.

[Mr. JL]

If booked apropriately, I think both Hardys could become main event attractions.

Chavo Guerrero has no chance in hell, but he could be a contributing upper midcarder no problem if booked right.

[Theo Dious]

so...

what is the top 8?
and what are the Smackdown 6?

I swear to God they need to put this in the FAQ, as someone asks it once a week.

[Stickman]

They both suck

[Stickman]

Well, Chavo is good but not main eventer material

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm definitely for it... Both of 'em.

I've always thought Matt was Main Event material since the Mattitude stuff. He consistently has put 100% into his in-ring work. He has good mic skills (though would be better if he was still sensei of mattitude), he has the look and is over enough. Maybe not world champion material, but a main event fued with people like Edge and Orton would be awesome.

Chavo I've always felt should be a main event since the days when Eddie rose to the top. Both are Guerreros are great in their own way. Yes Eddie was much more over than Chavo, but I've always felt that Chavo had the look and the skills to make it. His fued with Benoit could have put him there and a run with the US title would have helped... but I gues that was not meant to be.

[Rammsteinmad]

Besides, for anyone who thinks their not worthy... would you rather watch the likes of Cena, Batista, Henry, Khali and Umaga in the main event? Or Chavo and Hardy? I know where my money lies. :y:

[Mr. JL]

Besides, for anyone who thinks their not worthy... would you rather watch the likes of Cena, Batista, Henry, Khali and Umaga in the main event? Or Chavo and Hardy? I know where my money lies. :y:
a VERY good point:y:

[Stickman]

VERY VERY good point.