TNA = Retarded

[Savio]

Dudleys vs Kurt and Macho look-a-like and every title is on the line?

[The One]

Is it like the Main Event of Backlash '01 where whoever scores the pin wins the title of the other person, and if so, are we ready to even consider Bubba or Devon worthy of contending for the World Title, not to mention there isn't a whole lot of X-Division in any of them other than Lethal...which I guess Generic Black Man turned gimmick rip off and Kurt "I never met a pain killer I didn't like" Angle are going to unquestionably winning the Tag Titles.

THIS IS SO BIZARRE!

[311]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I fucking hate TNA.

If TNA is one big giant joke, then it's one of the most brilliant wrestling parodies I've ever seen.

If not, then by god what a horrible pile of shit. :y:

[IC Champion]

OMG this is real???? Someone was making a joke about that being the new match the other day...

Fucking TNA I give you my support and loyalty, and this is how you repay me, with this shit. BOOOOOOO.

[McLegend]

Give it either a few mintues or a few weeks and it won't be as retarded.

It will only be somewhat retarded.

[The One]

Now wait just a second, I am not big TNA cock sucker here, but let's get real for a moment...

TNA is better than WCW was in it's dying days, it's lower/midcard is better than ECW's ever was, it mops the floor with CZW's ass (except Nick Mondo, the greatest wrestler ever of course), it's preferable to RoH or Japan, and it's really only a couple of shades worse than WWE's product currently.

TNA does suck, but then again Wrestling on a whole sucks, and we've always known that. Half the reason the internet was invented was so that people could complain about wrestlers in their territories. But to call it a parody is kind of silly, since as far as I can tell, wrestling has always been a parody of actual sports and soap operas...and not a very good one at that.

TNA is bad, but let's be fair, with the exception of like 3 years of NWA history, 1 year of WCW, 2 years in WWF, and a couple of brief shinning moments in ECW's history, all of wrestling has always sucked. It's no shittier than the rest of this god forsaken industry's history.

[McLegend]

Woah now

TNA's lower/midcard talent might be better then ECW's was, but TNA's lower midcard is no way better then ECW's was.

[McLegend]

I see that's kinda confusing post

Basically I mean I cared more about ECW's lower midcard as where I don't give a damn about TNA's.

Otherwords ECW's lower/midcard was more entertaining then TNA's lower/midcard.

[IC Champion]

That's what I've been saying now for months. I've watch TNA everyweek Since just before Angle came in, and honesly the last month or two of TNA has been better then both Smackdown and ECW. If you think were TNA started, and where we all thought it would be, it has come a long way, and IMO is only getting better, slowly, but it is getting better.

[The One]

Oh no, you're right, a year long build up so some random ass manager 911 could chokeslam Fonzy was so much better than Kevin Nash working to get bland nobodys over... :roll:

[311]

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No idea why.

[IC Champion]

Woah now

TNA's lower/midcard talent might be better then ECW's was, but TNA's lower midcard is no way better then ECW's was.
Who did ECW ever have? Shane Douglas, Taz, RVD, Raven.....those are the only credible ones I can think of off the top of my head, and I was a fan of ECW by the way.

[The One]

ECW was incredible at taking rejects and making them somehow seem like worthy Main Eventers, but if you look at their undercard, and I mean anything that wasn't the last or second to last match of the night, it was all trash that in many ways could easily be comparable to XPW or CZW bullshit...

[McLegend]

Actually it was.

Espeically for the longest time those Nash segements went absolutely no where. Lot of them were huge wastes of time in fact.

[The One]

legend, you have made a powerful e-enemy with me here tonight. I shall spend the remainder of my days, learking, stalking, and doing everything I can to insure your time on TPWW is unpleasurable. How you might ask? I don't know yet, maybe come up with half-assed witty comments or possibly neg repping you, but know, that I shall make you e-pay for your e-crimes that you e-commited here tonight.

(I'm not sure that last "e-" was needed...but FUCK YOU just the same)

[McLegend]

Who did ECW ever have? Shane Douglas, Taz, RVD, Raven.....those are the only credible ones I can think of off the top of my head, and I was a fan of ECW by the way.
Those weren't the lower card guys

And anyway what did I say? I said TNA's talent might actually be better then ECW's talent ever was, but as we can see having a talented roster doesn't automatically make them better.

[IC Champion]

Thall shalt not speaketh ill of Lord Nash.

[IC Champion]

Those weren't the lower card guys

And anyway what did I say? I said TNA's talent might actually be better then ECW's talent ever was, but as we can see having a talented roster doesn't automatically make them better.
Anyone else doesnt count as anything, they were who mattered.

[McLegend]

legend, you have made a powerful e-enemy with me here tonight. I shall spend the remainder of my days, learking, stalking, and doing everything I can to insure your time on TPWW is unpleasurable. How you might ask? I don't know yet, maybe come up with half-assed witty comments or possibly neg repping you, but know, that I shall make you e-pay for your e-crimes that you e-commited here tonight.

(I'm not sure that last "e-" was needed...but FUCK YOU just the same)
I thought the segements were hilarious, and I thought Nash was great in them. He stole the show in the segments.

Now with that said you can honestly tell me TNA benefited from those segments?

Also I have been saying this stuff about Nash for a while. So this isn't new

[IC Champion]

I know Nash was one of the reasons why I started to watch it every single week in the beginning, that and because Christian is the man.

[The One]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9460/onnoticephptr2.jpg

[McLegend]

If that is how you feel, TOVO then so be it.

I still love you though.

[The One]

And yes I do feel TNA benefitted greatly from those...

Before them, Alex Shelley was a talented nobody, Jay Lethal was the single most bland wrestler I had ever witnessed, and Austin Starr was only kind of over with RoH nerds. Now granted, they have since dropped the ball on both Starr and Shelley, but Lethal is an actual, over, drawing, worthy performer. That's a 1/3 success rate, Piper's Pit didn't even pull in that good of odds, and let's not forget, they all got over, it's just that TNA has since dropped the ball on the other two. Nash's segments not only stole the show, they took nobodies and made them into someone to care about, someone to get behind. And it was 99% thanks to Nash's comedic ability and sheer incredible charisma that rubbed off (at least temporarily) on the other performers.

If Nash could just kick Don West square in the nuts and take over as color, I think TNA would improve greatly.

I know some of you will now point to me not being able to make it through an entire episode of SmackDown with JBL at the booth as proof that it probably won't change a thing, but remember, I couldn't even stomach to watch SmackDown when he wasn't at the table. And now I simply have it on in the backround and listen to commantary instead of bore myself with watching that shit. So he has done wonders for SmackDown in my book, and I think Nash could do just as much for TNA.

[IC Champion]

At Slammiversery Nash came out to assist Shelley and Sabin, and was at odds with lethal who had come to save Lynn and Backlund, so that may be interesting.

[McLegend]

You forget the whole summer they did that X-divison angle, and it lead to nowhere. It took them 7 months to get anything positive out of it. Which probably isn't Nash's fault in fact I would say it's the upper magaments fault and their inability to make stars.

As far as Nash in the booth. He would be good in small dosages, but he just make fun of everything and it would get old after a while.

[IC Champion]

Anybody but Don West, seriously, does he even know what an armbar is?

[McLegend]

Does Kevin Nash even know what an armbar is?

[The One]

Pssh! Nash doesn't bother with such basic moves. He's more worried about making sure his 900 degree splash turns out looking good.

[IC Champion]

Are you forgetting he spawned the X-Divison, and made it what is was.

[IC Champion]

Nash Commentating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9-Wh1LT8M

[The Show Off]

I like TNA better then WWE. Their I said it. I'm not going to defend it or explain it. It's just what I like and what I prefer. All of you can hate it all you want, but I think it's great and I think Slammiversary from top to bottom was the PPV of the year.

[Xero]

I like TNA better then WWE. Their I said it. I'm not going to defend it or explain it. It's just what I like and what I prefer. All of you can hate it all you want, but I think it's great and I think Slammiversary from top to bottom was the PPV of the year.
Yeah, bait-and-switch Animal is the greatest bait-and-switch in wrestling history!!1!1!!

[IC Champion]

LOL.

Who says Christian and Styles/Tomko takes the tag team titles, or Christian wins the X-Division Title as an easy way to get into the match, lol, Christian is great.

[KingofOldSchool]

Brother Ray for TNA Champion!!!!!!1!!1!1

[The One]

According to TNA's website, Samoa Joe won the X-Division Title? :?:

[mrslackalack]

Yeah it was also done at IYH in Sept of 95 when Diesel/HBK fought Yoko/Bulldog (who subbed for Owen) Diesel/HBK won but were later stripped of the tag titles as they had pinned Owen who was not in the match.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

TNA being prefferable to ROH is a fucking joke.

[Xero]

According to TNA's website, Samoa Joe won the X-Division Title? :?:
Yup.

Poor Black Cheese Moe.

[mrslackalack]

Yeah Joe won the X Title tonight. I bet they do the rehashed angle where Joe/Angle win the tag titles but cant stand each other.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah Joe won the X Title tonight. I bet they do the rehashed angle where Joe/Angle win the tag titles but cant stand each other.

I swear TNA should do an angle where the booking team tries to come up with exciting angles for the shows only to be thwarted by Kurt Angle saying "WWE already did it."

[The Show Off]

Yeah, bait-and-switch Animal is the greatest bait-and-switch in wrestling history!!1!1!!

You may be sarcastic but for a late replacement for an injured wrestler I thought having Animal replace Scott Steiner was awesome. Instead of having Great Tag Team versus Great Tag Team, you have Great Tag Team versus one member of two of the greatest tag teams ever.

[mrslackalack]

Yeah I liked that concept.

[mrslackalack]

Plus it was better seeing Animal back as Animal instead of Road Warrior

[IC Champion]

I swear TNA should do an angle where the booking team tries to come up with exciting angles for the shows only to be thwarted by Kurt Angle saying "WWE already did it."
A spoof of South Park, I love it.

[Vastardikai]

I swear TNA should come up with exciting angles for the shows.

[Kane Knight]

Half the reason the internet was invented was so that people could complain about wrestlers in their territories.

The other half being to blame Al Gore for porn. :lol:

Oh, and two shades more retarded than retarded still = retarded.

[St. Jimmy]

I turned on TNA Last Night and I see Joe holding the X title. I was like "WHAT THE FUCK?!"

The only thing I actually liked about TNA just got owned.

Poor Black Machismo.

[Mercury Bullet]

I swear TNA should do an angle where the booking team tries to come up with exciting angles for the shows only to be thwarted by Kurt Angle saying "WWE already did it."

:rofl: That would be great.

Anyway, as per the topic of TNA as a whole, I would agree that TNA is better than both the last year of WCW and all of ECW. Their roster depth is actually very good, if only they would pull their heads out of their ass and take advantage of it. They have people worth watching at every spot on the card which is WAY more than dying WCW and ECW had. And even though I was criticial of it at first, this "Black Machismo" thing has gotten Jay Lethal over, who was half-decent in the ring but one of the most bland workers ever. I wish TNA would make up their mind with Alex Shelley. I don't think he's a lost cause at all, he continues to be over despite the fact that one week he'll look like the next big thing and then the next he's jobbing to Shark Boy.

And I DO NOT want to see Joe-Angle IV...but TNA has tunnel vision on seeing them through as the only two guys on the planet they could possibly build a show around. Hopefully, the Sting-Daniels fued gets put together better because that could actually go somewhere and get Daniels over as a legit title contender.

I said it before, and I'm not the only one to say it, but TNA has got to make some TNA-born stars!!! WCW died because they couldn't create their own stars, with exception to maybe Booker T, but by then it was too late for the company. TNA needs main eventers with no WWE history to make the company look like it stands alone, and not like a place that old WWE wrestlers come to be put out to pasture. Here's my top 6 (dont ask why I picked 6) 'TNA-born' stars that can be at least in the Upper-Mid Card...

6. Robert Roode - While I'm not a huge fan, he is acceptable both in ring and on the mic. He has the build and ring presence of a legit main eventer.
5. Samoa Joe - People seem to either love him or hate him. And though he seems to be the 'Chosen One' of TNA, I don't know that his kind of overness is what you want to place your company on. The TNA marks will always mark for him, but if TNA becomes 'big time' I think he is at risk for John Cena Syndrome.
4. Alex Shelley - Stop jobbing him to Shark Boy and go with the flow on him. If they would let him be, as is, he would be majorly over with the crowd and I don't think that would just be limited to the TNA marks. He has a Jericho-esque ring presence and charisma about him that would make up for his lack of size in the main event.
3. Chris Harris - Not overly charismatic but a very solid worker in the ring. Has the size and presence of a legit main eventer. AND, he is an original member of the TNA roster.
2. Christopher Daniels - Keep him OUT of the X-Division. Clarify and emphasize his fued with Sting. I think he is on the cusp of upper level stardom if this plays out correctly. But with TNA booking and writing, that is a big if.
1. James Storm - I have slowly over the course of a couple months, become a James Storm fan. The guy is a charismatic uber heel and above average ring worker. Not phsyically big, but big enough to be over with a mainstream crowd as a main eventer. TNA didn't fork out the dough on Angle for nothing, so I can understand wanting to utilize him as your 'guy'...BUT he should be fueding with supreme heel James Storm, not facey-tweenish Samoa Joe.

[Mercury Bullet]

You may be sarcastic but for a late replacement for an injured wrestler I thought having Animal replace Scott Steiner was awesome. Instead of having Great Tag Team versus Great Tag Team, you have Great Tag Team versus one member of two of the greatest tag teams ever.

I was definately okay with this too. I mean, Scott Steiner being injured threw a HUGE monkey wrench into TNA's plans and for a last second replacement I thought bringing in Animal was a-okay.

[Xero]

Except it NEVER should have been a last second replacement. I was actually excited at the prospect of Steiners/3D. Steiner injured himself like two weeks before the PPV and they NEVER announced it on TV (and don't say it's because it's a taped show, nothing stopped them from editing in a segment), which is bullshit. Was Animal a good replacement? Sure, if they did it with the proper build. Or even an announcement on TV.

If I was buying the PPV on Steiners/3D and hadn't seen the news online I would have been pissed off to no end.

[Arnold HamNegger]

I turned on TNA Last Night and I see Joe holding the X title. I was like "WHAT THE FUCK?!"

The only thing I actually liked about TNA just got owned.

Poor Black Machismo.

Yeah, it was pretty underwhelming. Seemed to me, even the Impact Zone marks weren't even into it. I'm all for Titles changing hands on regular TV, hell I encourage it...but this one doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Kane Knight]

Except it NEVER should have been a last second replacement. I was actually excited at the prospect of Steiners/3D. Steiner injured himself like two weeks before the PPV and they NEVER announced it on TV (and don't say it's because it's a taped show, nothing stopped them from editing in a segment), which is bullshit. Was Animal a good replacement? Sure, if they did it with the proper build. Or even an announcement on TV.

If I was buying the PPV on Steiners/3D and hadn't seen the news online I would have been pissed off to no end.

They aren't very competent. It wouldn't surprise me if editing in a new segment was beyond them.