View Full Version : Do you think Benoit should be inducted in the hall of fame.
Joe Kerr
06-26-2007, 10:41 PM
Being now everyone knows what happened and vinceeven stated there will be no more mention of Chris Benoit, do you think he will get inducted into the wrestling hall of fame. Remember the key word is wrestling. I feel he should still be inducted because its all about his wrestling career not his personal life and how it ended. He was one of the best wrestlers and i know everyone pulled for him at wrestlemania 20.
SammyG
06-26-2007, 10:45 PM
Nope. I don't think he will. If he hadn't had killed his family as well, maybe then. But this man is a murderer. Well, was.
BigDaddyCool
06-26-2007, 10:50 PM
If Pete Rose can't get into the baseball hall of fame for making a little extra money, Benoit shouldn't get into a wrestling hall of fame either.
Joe Kerr
06-26-2007, 10:50 PM
its unfortunate cause he was deffinatly a top canidate for the hall of fame. I figure if they do induct him then Nancys family will probably sue or something. I guess we will find out closer to Mania.
SHOULD he be inducted on wrestling alone? Yes. But he won't be because WWE won't want to have the sigma of having to advertise a murderer on their programming.
Even if he did, there would be a giant hippophant in the room (and not just Monty Brown) and it would be unsettling.
Amaroqwolf
06-26-2007, 10:52 PM
No..no...and no...
You know, the title of the thread and the poll present two completely different questions.
He's not getting inducted. The WWE Hall of Fame is based on who WWE (and more specifically Vince) likes and wants to see in his Hall of Fame. I mean randy Savage hasn't gotten in because of some personal issues between himself and McMahon...you think Vince will let a murderer in.
BigDaddyCool
06-26-2007, 10:56 PM
SHOULD he be inducted on wrestling alone? Yes. But he won't be because WWE won't want to have the sigma of having to advertise a murderer on their programming.
Even if he did, there would be a giant hippophant in the room (and not just Monty Brown) and it would be unsettling.
Haha, hippophant[/Phil Ken Sebben]
mrslackalack
06-26-2007, 10:57 PM
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL................................................................................ ...................
NO!
mrslackalack
06-26-2007, 10:58 PM
Even if WWE wanted to (which they wont) it wouldnt happen because it would be a big time nationwide contreversy
Bad Company
06-26-2007, 11:53 PM
Yes, he should.
Kane Knight
06-26-2007, 11:54 PM
Yes. Fuck the rest of you tards.
Ruien
06-27-2007, 12:11 AM
Why would they let someone who killed 2 people into the Hall of Fame? Who the hell wants to remember a killer? People get banned from sports for much much less, this dude KILLED 2 people. He woulda been kicked out of the WWE if he did not kill himself.
Boondock Saint
06-27-2007, 12:15 AM
No.
Shisen Kopf
06-27-2007, 12:16 AM
he should go into the murderers hall of fame!
Zen v.W.o.
06-27-2007, 12:16 AM
Not before Owen Hart. A man's man with all the talent in the world.
But personally, he wont. Who is going to want to now induct him without feeling odd?
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 12:18 AM
These days, a player can get banned from sports for beating his wife, a shot at both Ty Cobb and Steve Austin.
Wrestling attracts some pretty scummy people. Including rapists, sociopaths, and abusive folks. Not to mention filthy drug addicts. They'd be kicked out of sports, too. EDDIE DOESNT DESERVE TEH HALL UV FAIM BAH GAWD!
FourFifty
06-27-2007, 12:18 AM
Yes, in five years, but not as one of the main people. Not as a major draw to the hall of fame. He did a lot for the wrestling industry. We don't know why he did what he did, but for his wrestling alone he should go in there.
natureboycv
06-27-2007, 12:24 AM
No, not when he is considered a murderer of his wife and son.
Mr. JL
06-27-2007, 12:39 AM
Whether he is inducted or not, people WILL remember his great in ring excellence and they WILL remember his last actions in life.
road doggy dogg
06-27-2007, 12:47 AM
he should go into the murderers hall of fame!
lol
Mr. Nerfect
06-27-2007, 12:52 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 12:55 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
You may get neg rep, or even negative feedback in general.
Fuck them. Seriously.
Zeeboe
06-27-2007, 12:57 AM
After watching the opening of ECW tonight, I highly doubt he'll ever be put into the Hall of Fame.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 12:59 AM
Hey, isn't OJ Simpson still a Hall of Famer?
FourFifty
06-27-2007, 01:01 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
(See KK's response)
CYCLOPTERSAURUS
06-27-2007, 01:04 AM
He absolutely should be inducted. He absolutely will not be inducted.
The Naitch
06-27-2007, 01:08 AM
Murderers go to hell instead
Dorkchop
06-27-2007, 01:09 AM
Austin's beaten wives before and he's in the hall of fame. Not that that's on the same level as murdering your wife and son, but it's still something to think about.
It's a tough call, because based on wrestling alone, yes.
I can't say yes or no.
Mr. Nerfect
06-27-2007, 01:14 AM
I already respected you two, Kane Knight and FourFifity, but my admiration for you just grew even more. :y:
TheProfessional
06-27-2007, 01:17 AM
Hey, isn't OJ Simpson still a Hall of Famer?
OJ was also inducted before he ALLEGEDLY~! killed his wife and that other guy. If Pete Rose isn't getting into the MLB Hall of Fame because he bet on baseball then Chris Benoit shouldn't get into the WWE Hall of Fame for obvious reasons.
Dorkchop
06-27-2007, 01:21 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
I'm still not too sure if he should or shouldn't go in, but you have my respect for being able to voice your opinion... especially when most wrestling fans will disagree with you. I have to rep more people to give you rep, but who really gives a shit about rep anyway? I don't know what it proves... except that Matt Boone is a cunt.
On one hand: He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. He gave nothing but 100%, and did nothing but give to us fans. He was a leader in the locker room and seemed like he made sure the younger undeserving guys were deserving.
On the other hand: He murdered his wife and son. You kind of don't want to give a guy who does that any respect.
I'm on the fence, and wouldn't care either way.
FourFifty
06-27-2007, 01:22 AM
On my side of the screen this is the USA. You have the right to say what you want, even if other people don't like it. The downside is other people have every right to say what they want about you and your views.
Now I see eye to eye with you. Benoit has busted his ass off for 20 years making other people a lot of money, pouring out his heart and soul, the blood, sweat, and tears, all in the name of putting on a show.
What happened sucks, It fucking sucks, it hurts, and my heart goes out to Chris's other children, and his family.
So get ready for some backlash. Get ready to have other people say your wrong and then make false claims about your mother's sexual life and the kool-aid man. It's their right to do so, but as KK said, fuck them.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 01:24 AM
OJ was also inducted before he ALLEGEDLY~! killed his wife and that other guy. If Pete Rose isn't getting into the MLB Hall of Fame because he bet on baseball then Chris Benoit shouldn't get into the WWE Hall of Fame for obvious reasons.
Right. So it's okay to hold someone up as a hero if they kill people AFTER they're put in.
AdrianM
06-27-2007, 01:26 AM
Yes, in five years, but not as one of the main people. Not as a major draw to the hall of fame. He did a lot for the wrestling industry. We don't know why he did what he did, but for his wrestling alone he should go in there.
seriously, how are they gonna do that? They couldn't just add him but not as a main person. Whoever else is inducted that year, Benoit will be a bigger name and cause more furore
TheProfessional
06-27-2007, 01:27 AM
Right. So it's okay to hold someone up as a hero if they kill people AFTER they're put in.
A killer should not be celebrated, no matter how many touchdowns he scored or how many mega sweet five star matches he put on in Japan. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably in the same camp that believes that Kevin Sullivan~! is behind all of this.
AdrianM
06-27-2007, 01:28 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
I won't neg rep you for your opinion, but by god do I disagree with it.
Look, everyone could list a hundred reasons why he should be in the hall of fame. But in the end, this guy is a cold blooded murderer, and that outweighs all the good he ever brought to us
The Show Off
06-27-2007, 01:31 AM
Chris Benoit should be in the WWE Hall of Fame. Not only was Chris Benoit one of the best wrestlers that ever lived, he also was good for the buisness as a whole. He spent his time in the buisness making others look good and upholding the tradition, artistry, and sport that is professional wrestling. The man put on more great matches then anyone not named Ric Flair, Triple H, or Shawn Michaels. Chris Benoit's in ring abilities are indisputable. The fact that the wrestling business is better for his contributions are indisputable. The fact that he is a hall of famer is indisputable.
The WWE Hall of Fame is not a Hall of Fame for good people, it isn't a hall of fame for the virtious, pure, and saintly. Chris Benoit's actions in the final 72 hours of his life are absolutly dispicable, and justafibly unforgivable for most. Murder is never justified especially to a 7 year old boy, but no matter how horrible his actions are it doesn't erase his contributions it merely taints them. Based on his career Chris Benoit should be in the Hall of Fame. But the WWE won't induct him, because it'd be a PR nightmare.
The Naitch
06-27-2007, 01:31 AM
but who really gives a shit about rep anyway? I don't know what it proves... except that Matt Boone is a cunt.
post of the year right there
Nervous Ferret
06-27-2007, 01:35 AM
No, not when he is considered a murderer of his wife and son.natureboycv!
The Naitch
06-27-2007, 01:39 AM
how old is he now?
JTB31
06-27-2007, 01:40 AM
Fuck yes he should. Chris Benoit is one of the best wrestlers to have ever lived. He has found success all over the world, he climbed to the top of World Wrestling Entertainment, and provided the last truly great WrestleMania moment (at least in my opinion), when he and Eddie Guerrero were celebrating in the ring together.
Regardless of how you feel about the disgusting nature of the Benoit family tragedy, it's damn immature to let that affect your respect for the man professionally. I could list many reasons why Chris Benoit deserves to go in the Hall of Fame, and there is only one reason why people think he should not. That reason is a personal one, and should not have any bearing on the man's profession.
Will he go in? Hell no. The WWE pulled their tribute to the man, and have taken down anything that associates themselves with him. Personally, that disgusts me. What Benoit did may not have been right, but that doesn't change the fact that for 20 years Chris Benoit was one of the best in the business.
I will probably get a lot of neg rep for this, but I will never stop admiring Chris Benoit professionally. Personally? I never admired him for this. The man partook in an affair with a married woman, something I could never do myself. Chris Benoit never had my respect for his private dealings, but that is not why I watched his art religiously for so many years. I will never stop loving Chris Benoit the wrestler.
Are you going to be the one to explain to the world why they are allowing a murderer into the hall of fame?? Are you going to be the one to get up on stage and talk about what a great guy Benoit was and what character he had and do it with a straight face?? If OJ had been found guilty, Football would of found a way to remove him from the hall of fame.Hell even though he was found not guilty, they would probally love to kick him out of the hall.
Sepholio
06-27-2007, 01:51 AM
Yes, he should. The HoF is about a wrestler's career, not their private life.
Yes, he murdered his family. That makes him a horrible person, in my opinion. But does it make him a horrible wrestler? Hell no, he was one of the greatest performers I have ever seen, and I'll be damned if the last weekend of his life ever changes my opinion of his career and in-ring ability.
JTB31
06-27-2007, 02:00 AM
I agree that you should go to the Hall of fame because of your accomplishments in that sport and your personal life should have little to do with it but I also think you should have to be a human being to get inducted into the hall of fame.A human being doesn't do what he did.If his other 2 children were there he would of ended up killing 4 people including 3 children.
St. Jimmy
06-27-2007, 02:02 AM
It's the WRESTLING Hall of Fame. As a wrestler, he should be remembered and admired. Now as for Humanitarian of the year? I think not.
Corkscrewed
06-27-2007, 02:09 AM
If Pete Rose can't get into the baseball hall of fame for making a little extra money, Benoit shouldn't get into a wrestling hall of fame either.
I realize that the Hall of Fame is suppose to be a measure of performance only, but his reputation and character are intrinsically connected, and since both have obviously gone down the drain, you cannot help but view his career differently.
And even if the career is isolated, I don't think it's right to give a wrongdoer recognition. You can have the best career ever, but if you do something like kill your wife and child, the very least consequence you can have is to forfeit a HoF spot.
The Fugitive
06-27-2007, 03:24 AM
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes. I don't expect him to get the Bret Hart/Hulk Hogan/Eddie Guerrero treatment where he's the... for lack of a better word, main event of the Hall of Fame that year, but at some point in time, not now, not next year, not even 10 years from now, but at some point, he should be inducted. There's no denying his accomplishments, his talent and his influence on pro-wrestling.
I really wish I could expand further on my thoughts but to be honest, I really hate thinking about Benoit and wrestling in general right now. The only reason I'm typing anything at the moment is because I'm hoping this will... forget it.
Joe Kerr
06-27-2007, 09:57 AM
A few have mentioned pete rose not making the MLB Hall of fame, dont forget he some how is in the Wrestling hall of fame...Do you think Pete Rose deserves to be in the Wrestling Hall of fame more than Chris Benoit?
Theo Dious
06-27-2007, 10:01 AM
Solution: Put Benoit in the Baseball HOF.
Disturbed316
06-27-2007, 10:15 AM
He may do one day, but not within the next 10 years.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 10:15 AM
Are you going to be the one to explain to the world why they are allowing a murderer into the hall of fame?? Are you going to be the one to get up on stage and talk about what a great guy Benoit was and what character he had and do it with a straight face?? If OJ had been found guilty, Football would of found a way to remove him from the hall of fame.Hell even though he was found not guilty, they would probally love to kick him out of the hall.
Fucking A. Why are people so cowardly they cannot explain things?
Benoit will never be found guilty, either. OJ was guilty in public opinion, and even in a civil suit. How is that different? The NFL is okay with a man who, in the eyes of the public, is a killer in the HoF. A man who stabbed two people a total of like 50 times.
Stickman
06-27-2007, 01:37 PM
I think he should go into the fake sports' hall of fame. The guy was the goods. Who woudl induct him though?
Theo Dious
06-27-2007, 01:37 PM
OJ Simpson?
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 01:45 PM
OJ: It's great to be here tonight. I made a killing on the promotion deal. And speaking of killing....
Theo Dious
06-27-2007, 01:48 PM
OJ: It's great to be here tonight. I made a killing on the promotion deal. And speaking of killing....
Ron Killings: Hey, I didn't have nothin' to do with this!
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 02:04 PM
Ron Killings: Hey, I didn't have nothin' to do with this!
OJ: Sure, sure, neither did I. Huh? Huh? *nudge*
Theo Dious
06-27-2007, 02:28 PM
OJ: But if you HAD done it... how would you have gone about it?
FourFifty
06-27-2007, 03:04 PM
OJ: With a dude.
<img src=http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/Always450/ojgay.jpg>
.....:shifty:..... Wrong OJ?
Destor
06-27-2007, 03:24 PM
This act has nothing to do with the 20 years he poured into the business so yeah, I think he should. He wont though. The WWE will pretend the suddenly developed morals.
Didn't they induct Carlos Colon?
VonErichLives
06-27-2007, 07:07 PM
should he yes. will he no.
should OJ still be in there yes, the NFL even if found guilty never would have removed him... they may have cut down on his display and had less "press" about him in the HOF but they wouldn't have removed him.
Pete Rose isn't in the MLB HOF because he's considered to have "cheated on the game" same reason while never "proven" that Mark McGuire didn't get voted in yet.
That being said, baseball writers (who vote for the MLB HOF) have been known not to vote for people they didn't like as a person or didn't consider "press friendly" See: Jim Rice & Albert Belle.
So, again, "YES" he should be in, "NO" we will never be in, just the fact that Vince did a 3hr special to a guy who murdered his son and wife is something Vince will never, ever, forget.
addy2hotty
06-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Hang on a second, if the HoF is based on character etc, Eddie Guerrero died due to a legacy of drug abuse. Long-term too, not just a dabble here and there. Yeah yeah, he recovered and saved himself, but that changes nothing.
If we're setting rules like that, then very few 'deserve' to be in the HoF. Especially not half the juicers that have made it.
It's a bit late to pull out the morality card, especially when most are crying out for an Austin return every week.
FakeLaser
06-27-2007, 07:41 PM
Are you guys fucking kidding me? He murdered a 7 year old. Drug abuse and gambling aren't even close to killing two people, let alone your own wife and your 7 year old son.
addy2hotty
06-27-2007, 07:42 PM
Are you guys fucking kidding me? He murdered a 7 year old. Drug abuse and gambling aren't even close to killing two people, let alone your own wife and your 7 year old son.
How about attempted murder? That ok? How about armed robbery?
At what level of crime does it become wrong to be inducted?
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Are you guys fucking kidding me? He murdered a 7 year old. Drug abuse and gambling aren't even close to killing two people, let alone your own wife and your 7 year old son.
So only SOME crimes are wrong.
Could you please make me a comprehensive lists of what crimes do or don't put you in the HoF?
FakeLaser
06-27-2007, 07:50 PM
I think murdering two people is on a slightly different plane than doing drugs or gambling.
Fignuts
06-27-2007, 07:52 PM
Hey, lets all build a gold statue of hitler, and honor him in regards to the effectiveness in which he had all those jews killed.
Fignuts
06-27-2007, 07:52 PM
I mean the guy was sick, but I'll be damned if he wasn't good at his job.
Skippord
06-27-2007, 07:55 PM
I already have a big gold statue of Hitler
Sadistic
06-27-2007, 07:59 PM
Of course he should. People need to sit down and actually think about the purpose of the wrestling hall of fame. Forget the tragic personal matters. Yes it is tragic, but seperate it from his career as a wrestler.
Benoit deserves to be in there. He was an amazing wrestler, he made a huge impact, and no one can deny that, regardless of what you think of him outside the ring.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:04 PM
I mean the guy was sick, but I'll be damned if he wasn't good at his job.
The two are especially comparable since Chris' job also involved killion millions of people.
addy2hotty
06-27-2007, 08:11 PM
Hang on a minute here, didn't you Americans all vote in a killer for a second term?
Blue Demon
06-27-2007, 08:15 PM
Austin's beaten wives before and he's in the hall of fame.
He is??
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:17 PM
Hang on a minute here, didn't you Americans all vote in a killer for a second term?
You want to narrow that down? That's kinda like saying "Hey you Canadians. Remember that cold winter?"
Blue Demon
06-27-2007, 08:18 PM
:lol: Or "hey Texan...remember that retard you zapped??" :shifty:
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:21 PM
Don't mess with Texas. Did you see what we did to the guy who hit some black kid? We killed his friend! YEEEEHAW!
addy2hotty
06-27-2007, 08:25 PM
I'm looking forward to next year, when CNN and Fox run their 'George W Bush, best President ever?' segments.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm looking forward to next year, when CNN and Fox run their 'George W Bush, best President ever?' segments.
No they won't. Not while Regan is still available.
Cooler Tom Schuler
06-27-2007, 08:30 PM
Purely on the basis of the career he had, and this is what it should be based on, Chris Benoit should be inducted into the hall of fame. However, if circumstances were completely different and he had simply retired this last weekend, I don't see him as a "first-ballot" hall-of-famer. Yes, he was extremely talented. Yes, he held a few titles. But it was not even close to those of say Bret Hart, Roddy Piper, or Hulk Hogan.
But yes, he did have a great enough career to make it into the hall eventually, regardless of these recent incidents. It is obvious now that he was not mentally sound. Nobody of sound mind could commit the actions that he did, and a verdict of insanity is very similar to a verdict of not guilty. I'm obviously not saying that I condone his actions at all, I just see them as the actions of a person suffering severe mental illness.
Nonetheless, he earned his spot in the hall, albeit eventually.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:31 PM
So who is the murderer we re-elected?
Cooler Tom Schuler
06-27-2007, 08:42 PM
So who is the murderer we re-elected?
Here we see a rare instance of KK dragging a joke out far too long.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:44 PM
Or we see a commonality of a serious question being met with a stupid response.
Savio
06-27-2007, 08:49 PM
So who is the murderer we re-elected?I think George Washington killed people when he was a soldier.
Kane Knight
06-27-2007, 08:53 PM
I think George Washington killed people when he was a soldier.
So soldiers are by default murderers?
YOUR Hero
06-27-2007, 09:59 PM
He was never a real draw. He had no mic skills, he had no charisma. He was a great technical wrestler that wrestling promotions let get wins and titles. Remember, this stuff is scripted and to list his accomplishments is something of a joke when you think about it. The WWE hall of fame is nothing more than a marketing thing anyway and as such it's bad marketing to include a guy that the world knows is a killer.
VonErichLives
06-27-2007, 10:59 PM
He was never a real draw. He had no mic skills, he had no charisma. He was a great technical wrestler that wrestling promotions let get wins and titles. Remember, this stuff is scripted and to list his accomplishments is something of a joke when you think about it. The WWE hall of fame is nothing more than a marketing thing anyway and as such it's bad marketing to include a guy that the world knows is a killer.
Well, there's the first good point I've heard yet...
you're right... titles held has nothing to do with this... it's scripted... Now, you could argue promoters and maybe refs for years served and interviewers and announcers...
but actual wrestlers, that's a good point...
yeah, I change my vote... it's based of marketing... he doesn't go in... based on it's not due to wrestling wins/titles... it's popularity and marketing.
mrslackalack
06-27-2007, 11:15 PM
I posted earlier no. But I do have an interesting point to bring out.
Jimmy Snuka is a HOF, and he was accused of beating many women including killing his GF in 1983, while no charges happened many feel that he did do it and he lost his chance to get a I-C title reign and a possible World Title reign.
mrslackalack
06-27-2007, 11:17 PM
Another reason why I think not is the things WWE is doing, like pulling off all his merchendise and completly removing his name from all DVD descripitions and match listings.
Well, there's the first good point I've heard yet...
you're right... titles held has nothing to do with this... it's scripted... Now, you could argue promoters and maybe refs for years served and interviewers and announcers...
but actual wrestlers, that's a good point...
yeah, I change my vote... it's based of marketing... he doesn't go in... based on it's not due to wrestling wins/titles... it's popularity and marketing.
Then this brings up another point, should he be put into the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame (http://www.pwhf.org/) or something similar?
The Show Off
06-27-2007, 11:22 PM
Hey, lets all build a gold statue of hitler, and honor him in regards to the effectiveness in which he had all those jews killed.
Nah he wasn't effective enough at that, their are still some of us left, that and he didn't take over the world.
Benoit > Hitler
Okay, what Benoit did was sick beyond words, but how could anyone compare him to fucking HITLER!?
Arnold HamNegger
06-27-2007, 11:30 PM
I think once WWE does another "Who Killed Vince" angle and proves to society once and for all that murder is cool, Benoit will be a shoe in.
:shifty:
Kane Knight
06-28-2007, 01:45 AM
Okay, what Benoit did was sick beyond words, but how could anyone compare him to fucking HITLER!?
German Suplexes, asshat. :roll:
:shifty:
But yeah. I had no idea that a pro wrestler's job description included killing millions. I thought the worst you had to do was dissapear a dead hooker from <s>Ben Affleck</s> Vince McMahon's trailer.
Theo Dious
06-28-2007, 08:53 AM
Hang on a second, if the HoF is based on character etc, Eddie Guerrero died due to a legacy of drug abuse. Long-term too, not just a dabble here and there. Yeah yeah, he recovered and saved himself, but that changes nothing.
So you don't believe in redemption or forgiveness of any kind?
I would induct him, the wrestler chris benoit fully deserves to go into sports entertainment's hall of fame.
starfox8500
06-28-2007, 09:33 AM
Chris Benoit with out a doubt needs to be in the hof. Regardless of his personal life.
Kane Knight
06-28-2007, 10:08 AM
So you don't believe in redemption or forgiveness of any kind?
I don't think that was his point. People are saying Benoit doesn't deserve to be in because of what he did offscreen, which is horrific and would keep him out the a real HoF. You know, like drugs. Lots of drugs.
Yup. So if we're going based on character and actions, Eddie deserves to not be there.
YOUR Hero
06-28-2007, 10:13 AM
Taking drugs = as bad a murder now :?:
Theo Dious
06-28-2007, 10:18 AM
I don't think that was his point. People are saying Benoit doesn't deserve to be in because of what he did offscreen, which is horrific and would keep him out the a real HoF. You know, like drugs. Lots of drugs.
Yup. So if we're going based on character and actions, Eddie deserves to not be there.
See, I don't agree with that. Because it's also part of Eddie's character that he stopped himself, he did what he could to correct his mistakes and reconcile with his family and friends, the people he hurt, etc. The shame of it was that the toll that had been taken on his body was too much to really overcome. But as far as character goes, Eddie eventually changed and did the right thing, and that is why he deserves to be there based on character.
Evil Vito
06-28-2007, 10:19 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Yes, from a wrestling standpoint, Benoit should absolutely be inducted into the HOF.
HOWEVER, it certainly cannot be next year, or else it would seem really bad. Wait till a few years down the road, then when you do induct him, mention ONLY his wrestling career.</font>
The Fugitive
06-28-2007, 10:19 AM
Then this brings up another point, should he be put into the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame (http://www.pwhf.org/) or something similar?
You never know but I can't see him going in that.
Age and Experience Requirements:
"To be eligible for induction into the Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame (PWHF), certain criteria must be met as follows:
1. Any candidate must be deceased, or if living, must be at least 50 years of age. (Yes)
2. Any candidate must have at least 20 years in the professional wrestling business unless their career has been shortened by injury, illness, or death. (Yes)
Additional Criteria to be Considered where applicable:
For eligibility into the PWHF, the following additional criteria regarding each candidate will be considered:
3. Ability, Achievement, and overall credentials in the field of professional wrestling. (Yes)
4. Performance skills. (Yes)
5. Participation in the sport at large. (I would say yes)
6. Contribution to society outside of the wrestling profession. (No idea)
7. Moral character and personal integrity. (A week ago, yes. Now... this would be the one that would stop him from getting in)
Kane Knight
06-28-2007, 10:47 AM
Taking drugs = as bad a murder now :?:
Yes, obviously. It's certainly not retarded to say that.
Fuck's sake, Hero. You know better than the last five fucking morons who said that.
Kane Knight
06-28-2007, 10:51 AM
See, I don't agree with that. Because it's also part of Eddie's character that he stopped himself, he did what he could to correct his mistakes and reconcile with his family and friends, the people he hurt, etc. The shame of it was that the toll that had been taken on his body was too much to really overcome. But as far as character goes, Eddie eventually changed and did the right thing, and that is why he deserves to be there based on character.
He corrected himself after hitting rock bottom, with the support and help of friends. Benoit was left to the wolves both before and after the incident.
Eddie Eventually changed after a lot of hurt and a lot of damage, and BEnoit never had that chance.
Eddie's choices would have left him out of a reputable hall of fame in a real sport. So again, for the mentally handicapped, if we're going to make the statement that Benoit shouldn't be in because he wouldn't be in a real HoF, let's not be hypocritical and justify a drug abuser.
Cue yet again some fucktard saying "So doing drugs are as bad as killing people?"
Theo Dious
06-28-2007, 11:23 AM
He corrected himself after hitting rock bottom, with the support and help of friends. Benoit was left to the wolves both before and after the incident.
Eddie Eventually changed after a lot of hurt and a lot of damage, and BEnoit never had that chance.
Eddie's choices would have left him out of a reputable hall of fame in a real sport. So again, for the mentally handicapped, if we're going to make the statement that Benoit shouldn't be in because he wouldn't be in a real HoF, let's not be hypocritical and justify a drug abuser.
Cue yet again some fucktard saying "So doing drugs are as bad as killing people?"
Yeah, I guess I can see where you're at with that.
Not the drugs/murder thing, but, you know, the intelligent thing.
definetly hall of fame material.
parkmania
06-28-2007, 01:48 PM
If Vince/Steph/Shane/HHH thought they could make money, he'd be in there tomorrow. But public sentiment is against that right now, so unless that changes, Benoit won't go in.
Savio
06-28-2007, 02:04 PM
So soldiers are by default murderers?well according to him.
Kane Knight
06-28-2007, 02:07 PM
Just checking. In that case, we are a fucking sick country.
YOUR Hero
06-28-2007, 09:43 PM
Kane, you're implying it.
FourFifty
06-28-2007, 10:24 PM
Ya know, it sucks that three people died, and it's sad that one of them was a children, but I've been saying it's a fucking sick country for YEARS now.
Rock Bottom
06-28-2007, 10:26 PM
No, people that kill their families and then kill themselves need to be inducted into the Hall of People That Killed Their Families and Then Killed Themselves.
loopydate
06-28-2007, 10:36 PM
Here's my take (and I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I'm copying your answer):
I want to see the aftermath first. I answered "no," because at the moment, what he did is a tremendous black eye to the sport. He was a phenomenal performer, but his actions this weekend have put such a cloud over professional wrestling that it may never recover. This is the same reason I don't believe Mark McGwire shouldn't go into the Hall of Fame. He brought attention back to the game... but not all of it was for the right reason.
Now, if down the line it turns out that Benoit's death causes actual federally-observed drug tests and Vince (or someone) providing for psychiatric evaluations... Something that could actually prevent something like this (or Eddie or Pillman or Hennig...) from happening again? If that's the case then - by committing an unbelievably heinous act - Chris Benoit may actually save professional wrestling. In which case, put him in immediately.
As a sheer performer, I'd say he absolutely deserves in. But considering the fact that the WWE Hall of Fame is an imaginary place anyway, I can understand WWE not wanting to put him in a positive light given the circumstances.
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