What did you think of the nWo in the WWE? [Archive]

Nikkolas

07-01-2007, 05:16 PM

While Hogan, Nash and Hall are all definite legends and the nWo helped wrestling in untold millions of ways, what did you think of them in the WWE/

I have always loved the nWo and I can remember marking out like mad. When they attacked the Rock's ambulance and Hogan drove the semi into it...just wow.

But they really kinda fell apart and got nowhere after WrestleMania.

Does anyone happen to have that scene on YouTube or anything?

Disturbed316

07-01-2007, 05:18 PM

The nWo in WWE was:

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chrisat928

07-01-2007, 05:22 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

FourFifty

07-01-2007, 05:44 PM

While Hogan, Nash and Hall are all definite legends

Stopped reading after that.

07-01-2007, 05:45 PM

Dorkchop

07-01-2007, 05:48 PM

Their entrance was amazing.

Nikkolas

07-01-2007, 05:50 PM

Stopped reading after that.

I hope your problem with them being legends is with Nash or Hall and not with Hogan....

Why is Scott Hall or Kevin Nash a legend then?

Rammsteinmad

07-01-2007, 05:54 PM

At first it was exciting, althought a "quick fix" in an attempt to boost ratings. After a few weeks however it was obvious where it was going.

Dr. Cox said it best. :lol:

Gerard

07-01-2007, 06:00 PM

As usual it was purposely made shit as it wasn't a wwe creation.

The Naitch

07-01-2007, 06:04 PM

I never watched WCW (I got into wrestling around 99' through WWE) but my buddies were huge nWo fans and saw some old footage eventually

I marked out huge when Vince's chair revealed the nWo logo. Was really excited initially. I always wanted to see the nWo be huge in WWE, stayed optimistic and was pretty bummed out the day it officially 'died' in the spring of 2002

Kane Knight

07-01-2007, 06:09 PM

The nWo in WWE was:

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On top of that, it was wrong.

Xero

07-01-2007, 06:11 PM

It was okay up until WrestleMania, then it bombed badly because they tried to turn it into what it was in WCW and it just didn't work. They really should have let things be and never brought it back in the first place. Same with DX's return last year.

Jordan

07-01-2007, 09:08 PM

311

07-02-2007, 12:08 PM

Scott Hall selling the stunner was worth the price of admission.

IC Champion

07-02-2007, 12:10 PM

It was a joke, and resulted in us being subjected to another Hulkamania run....

IC Champion

07-02-2007, 12:11 PM

So it was one of those jokes that starts off funny, but by the end your left shaking your head in shame....:nono:

Mr. JL

07-02-2007, 12:21 PM

Its just too bad they couldn't put the nWo all together at one time.

It was perfect when they brought in the three who started it with Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Then if they would have kept them all together and added in Shawn Michaels, Triple H, X-Pac, Big Show & Booker T it would have been sweeter.

But, back to reality... Hogan was taken out of the nWo too early. Nash was terribly out of shape and injured all the time. Hall was an alcoholic. That pretty much sealed the nWo's fate.

Then they were just throwing people together in order to try and salvage it.

Rammsteinmad

07-02-2007, 12:48 PM

Booker T in the NWO... Wassupwidthat?

Although as much as the whole thing sucked... Goldust and Booker T were awesome at that point. :lol:

True Brit Grit

07-02-2007, 01:02 PM

Absolute utter rubbish.

"I'm gonna INJECT, a lethal dose of poison...." - That was cool though.

Speaking of lethal - I'm watching KOTR 99 at the moment (which was also rubbish apart from Jeff Hardy almost having his head taken off)... whatever happened to 'The Lethal Weapon' Steve Blackman?

Now there was a personality...

Felipewcw

07-02-2007, 01:30 PM

.....whatever happened to 'The Lethal Weapon' Steve Blackman?

Now there was a personality...

So very true. What would the Early Saturday/Sunday, late Saturday/Sunday TV shows have been without him.

311

07-02-2007, 01:49 PM

Bischoff wins over the NWO long term.

At first it was cool. The whole 'OMG NWO WWE' thing. But it died out very quickly and were left with the teeny-tiny-stinky-stanky little nugget that is Hulk Hogan.

Bischoff coming in was better in the long-term.

Although, they made a bunch of money off of NWO merchandice for awhile.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 03:11 PM

At first it was cool. The whole 'OMG NWO WWE' thing. But it died out very quickly and were left with the teeny-tiny-stinky-stanky little nugget that is Hulk Hogan.

That's why Hogan/Rock was the biggest thing to come out of the whole affair?

Hogan is kinda the biggest name in wrestling and one of the biggest legends that will ever be.....

Kane Knight

07-02-2007, 06:16 PM

That's why Hogan/Rock was the biggest thing to come out of the whole affair?

Thanks to the Rock. Hogan doesn't really draw anymore. He doesn't help ratings or sell PPVs. You can call it the biggest thing or fawn over how awesome you think Hogan is, but the only reason Rock Hogan was the best thing out of it was a combination of how horrible the angle was and how over the Rock is.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 06:50 PM

Thanks to the Rock.

That's why everyone was boo'ing him? Hogan did his thing and had everyone on their feet any time he did any sort of offense. Just pushign Rock across the ring made the place nearly explode.

But it was Rock who made the match big.

Hogan doesn't really draw anymore.

His matches at Summerslam with Orton and HBK say otherwise. He always gets huge pops and draws. Hell, with just his naem on WM23, it sold out in no time at all.

He doesn't help ratings or sell PPVs.

Wrong.

You can call it the biggest thing or fawn over how awesome you think Hogan is,

And it seems millions of people agree with me on both points.

but the only reason Rock Hogan was the best thing out of it was a combination of how horrible the angle was and how over the Rock is.

Hogan was more over than Rock. To evens suggest Rock is more popular than Hogan is ludicrous.

Xero

07-02-2007, 06:56 PM

"His matches at Summerslam with Orton and HBK say otherwise. He always gets huge pops and draws. Hell, with just his naem on WM23, it sold out in no time at all."

Pops don't equal drawing. Sting popped really well but was never really a draw.

And WM23? Wow, it sold out in no time at all WITHOUT his name.

Hogan gets the initial huge "OH MY GAWD IT'S THE FATHER OF WRESTLING" type of pop, and yes, he can draw a small portion of the old school casual fan base in for an event, but after he's around a while the cheers start to dwindle and he's just another face in the main event who can't wrestle and hardly can promo anymore.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 07:03 PM

And WM23? Wow, it sold out in no time at all WITHOUT his name.

No. His name was the only one on the card when tickets went on sale.

Hogan gets the initial huge "OH MY GAWD IT'S THE FATHER OF WRESTLING" type of pop, and yes, he can draw a small portion of the old school casual fan base in for an event, but after he's around a while the cheers start to dwindle and he's just another face in the main event who can't wrestle and hardly can promo anymore.

Being in pro-wrestling isn't about wrestling. It's about entertaining the fans and telling a story in the ring. Hogan was one of the best at both which is why he put two companies on top and was hugely over in two others (put WCW and WWF on top. Was hugely over in AWA and NJPW)

He's not in his prime that's for sure. But when people go to see him, they go to see him Leg Drop someone. To see him Hulk Up. To get the feeling of seeing a legend in action. And since he's not on a regular schedule, it works just fine.

Xero

07-02-2007, 07:10 PM

No. His name was the only one on the card when tickets went on sale.
He was NEVER advertised, he was only RUMORED. I'm assuming you meant another year.

Being in pro-wrestling isn't about wrestling. It's about entertaining the fans and telling a story in the ring. Hogan was one of the best at both which is why he put two companies on top and was hugely over in two others (put WCW and WWF on top. Was hugely over in AWA and NJPW)

He's not in his prime that's for sure. But when people go to see him, they go to see him Leg Drop someone. To see him Hulk Up. To get the feeling of seeing a legend in action. And since he's not on a regular schedule, it works just fine.
People pop for him because of nostalgia, I won't deny that. But the fact that he comes in, goes over someone when he doesn't need to and goes out again hurts more in the long run than the extra few thousand extra buys and/or slight spike in ratings he may bring in in the short term.

311

07-02-2007, 07:23 PM

No. His name was the only one on the card when tickets went on sale.

Being in pro-wrestling isn't about wrestling. It's about entertaining the fans and telling a story in the ring. Hogan was one of the best at both which is why he put two companies on top and was hugely over in two others (put WCW and WWF on top. Was hugely over in AWA and NJPW)

He's not in his prime that's for sure. But when people go to see him, they go to see him Leg Drop someone. To see him Hulk Up. To get the feeling of seeing a legend in action. And since he's not on a regular schedule, it works just fine.

1. Welcome to the boards. I assume we have Chris Benoit to thank for that.

2. Hogan has been detrimental to this sport for a decade. This is a man, who, (with of course, the go ahead by Eric Bischoff) flat out 'refused' to put anyone over for YEARS in WCW. I'm not sure if you were watching the same program, but, when Sting took the belt off of Hogan, and the man came walking out to Hendrix 'without' it, he looked absolutely naked.

I know this has been said in a million posts and a million interviews, but WCW had no new stars. They couldn't push new talent because their guy on top was a paranoid egomaniac who, like everyone who didn't know when to quit (outside of maybe Ric Flair), refused to laydown for anyone in order to look out for 'What was best for Hulk Hogan.' Give me a fucking break. Hogan didn't have heat. He had 'I want to change the fucking channel to WWF/WWE heat.' There's a massive difference.

When he came to WWE he knew he was on thin ice. Things altered slowly over time as the red and yellow started coming back to root for their hero, then BAM, he goes back to throwing his weight around yet again, when in reality, the business is much better off without him. I'd rather watch him slap around Brian Knobbs' balls then watch him hulk up in that ring one more time, and refuse to put over yet another young talent.

I can see where you're trying to go with your arguement, and short term, sure, you make some extra cash. But in the long run, he's no longer an option. It almost isn't even worth bringing him back anymore.

That was fantastic how he put over Orton by the way. That was great for business.

:shifty:

Savio

07-02-2007, 07:31 PM

I wish nWo 2002 became the whole Kliq and show was Kicked out.

Xero

07-02-2007, 07:34 PM

1. Welcome to the boards. I assume we have Chris Benoit to thank for that.

2. Hogan has been detrimental to this sport for a decade. This is a man, who, (with of course, the go ahead by Eric Bischoff) flat out 'refused' to put anyone over for YEARS in WCW. I'm not sure if you were watching the same program, but, when Sting took the belt off of Hogan, and the man came walking out to Hendrix 'without' it, he looked absolutely naked.

I know this has been said in a million posts and a million interviews, but WCW had no new stars. They couldn't push new talent because their guy on top was a paranoid egomaniac who, like everyone who didn't know when to quit (outside of maybe Ric Flair), refused to laydown for anyone in order to look out for 'What was best for Hulk Hogan.' Give me a fucking break. Hogan didn't have heat. He had 'I want to change the fucking channel to WWF/WWE heat.' There's a massive difference.

Nope, no proof. You're wrong because you have no proof that Hogan politicked..:shifty:

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 07:37 PM

1. Welcome to the boards. I assume we have Chris Benoit to thank for that.

You actually have Sandman to thank for it. I found this topic when doing a Google search for "Sandman lawsuit." I'm tired of the Benoit crap and am trying to get passed it all.

2. Hogan has been detrimental to this sport for a decade. This is a man, who, (with of course, the go ahead by Eric Bischoff) flat out 'refused' to put anyone over for YEARS in WCW. I'm not sure if you were watching the same program, but, when Sting took the belt off of Hogan, and the man came walking out to Hendrix 'without' it, he looked absolutely naked.

He put Sting over a few times as well as Goldberg.

I know this has been said in a million posts and a million interviews, but WCW had no new stars.

DDP or Booker T ring a bell?

Hogan didn't have heat. He had 'I want to change the fucking channel to WWF/WWE heat.' There's a massive difference.

Hollywood Hogan had MASSIVE heat. Perhaps you're too biased to see that but it's kinda blatantly obvious to anyone else. His heel turn was possibly and probably the biggest ever in the history of wrestling.

As for looking out for what's best for Hogan...he was the biggest star in wrestling. What's best for Hogan is best for the business. Or shoudl he lose to a loser like Jeff Jarrett?

refuse to put over yet another young talent.

The Rock and Brock Lesnar disagree.

That was fantastic how he put over Orton by the way. That was great for business.

Hogan makes one appearance. One big match. Do the fans come to see Orton win? No? Then why should he? It's BAD for business to have Orton beat Hogan in Hogan's only match for God knows how long.

He was NEVER advertised, he was only RUMORED. I'm assuming you meant another year.

I was on a wrestling board when tickets went on sale. It was said there that his name was the only one on the card.

People pop for him because of nostalgia, I won't deny that. But the fact that he comes in, goes over someone when he doesn't need to and goes out again hurts more in the long run than the extra few thousand extra buys and/or slight spike in ratings he may bring in in the short term.

So HBK REALLY needed that win?

Orton's career didn't suffer from it. He formed Rated RKO soon after, didn't he? Not like he was buried.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 07:42 PM

Nope, no proof. You're wrong because you have no proof that Hogan politicked..

I won't deny Hogan has used politics.

And as for not putting over young talent, ever heard of a man named Paul Wight? Guess who helped him in his pretty decent wrestling career?

Xero

07-02-2007, 07:45 PM

I was on a wrestling board when tickets went on sale. It was said there that his name was the only one on the card.
Yeah, you have confirmation on that from a site like Ticketmaster? Hogan was NEVER advertised on TV or on WWE.com.

So HBK REALLY needed that win?

Orton's career didn't suffer from it. He formed Rated RKO soon after, didn't he? Not like he was buried.

No, Michaels didn't need the win. But the Hogan match took the place of a match where someone who needed to get over didn't. Any number of wrestlers could have been in that spot and it would have evened the promotion out between the wrestlers who needed it and not two men who were over as it is in a feud that meant jack shit.

As for Orton, again, what does Hogan beating Orton accomplish other than a bit more money? Absolutely nothing. You, like WWE, need to think long-term and not short-term.

Shit like this where people who are already over are going over people who are already over in huge matches and then, within two weeks, it's like it never happened doesn't help anything. At least if Orton went over he could have been been claiming that he beat one of the biggest legends ever. That didn't happen so what does it accomplish?

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 07:53 PM

Orton beat quite a few of the biggest legends ever. He just didn't beat possibly the biggest.

Orton is still ofte referred to as the Legend Killer by commentators and such. He had one loss and it's done nothing to hamper his career at all.

Xero

07-02-2007, 07:56 PM

But it didn't help it either! A match needs to elevate someone or, in some cases, job them out, otherwise there's absolutely no point to it.

If there's a PPV match, and it's billed as one of the big matches, and it isn't built upon or accomplishing something like a feud or to elevate someone why do it for the extra money and the loss of time where someone CAN be elevated or a feud CAN be continued. Of course the exception here is the "payoff match", which almost always elevates someone anyway.

Orton gained nor lost anything from the match. That's my point. It was a waste of time.

311

07-02-2007, 07:58 PM

"He put Sting over a few times as well as Goldberg."

- His feud, as well as matches, with Sting turned out to be an absolute train-wreck with a questionable ending at Starrcade that should have ended clearly with the Stinger, but ended up giving Hogan an out.

-Goldberg was the ONE person he put over clean in WCW.

"DDP or Booker T ring a bell?"
- Oh yes, how can I forget the amazing classics between DDP and Hogan, as well as Booker T and Hogan.

"Hollywood Hogan had MASSIVE heat. Perhaps you're too biased to see that but it's kinda blatantly obvious to anyone else. His heel turn was possibly and probably the biggest ever in the history of wrestling."

-Did you actually watch WCW for more than six months?

"As for looking out for what's best for Hogan...he was the biggest star in wrestling. What's best for Hogan is best for the business. Or should he lose to a loser like Jeff Jarrett?"

-Not the first time they used the fingerpoke of doom.

"The Rock and Brock Lesnar disagree."

- I suppose this is where you attribute the Rock's superstar status to the fact that he put The Rock over after taking three Rock Bottoms. Thank God Hogan put him over. Jesus, I'm not sure what he would have done.

- You have a point about Lesnar.

"Hogan makes one appearance. One big match. Do the fans come to see Orton win? No? Then why should he? It's BAD for business to have Orton beat Hogan in Hogan's only match for God knows how long."

- Randy Orton's gimmick is "Legend Killer." Who put over who?

"I was on a wrestling board when tickets went on sale. It was said there that his name was the only one on the card."
- Yeah, that and 'Wrestlemania.'

"So HBK REALLY needed that win?"
- An active wrestler should always take the win over a part-time draw with no staying power, or at least win with Hogan taking an out for a return match, but if it's a one match deal, give it to him.

"Orton's career didn't suffer from it. He formed Rated RKO soon after, didn't he? Not like he was buried."

- Mediocre tag team push versus huge singles momentum and heat after taking out Hulk Hogan. Alright.

...

Are you Hulk Hogan?

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 08:25 PM

- His feud, as well as matches, with Sting turned out to be an absolute train-wreck with a questionable ending at Starrcade that should have ended clearly with the Stinger, but ended up giving Hogan an out.

-Goldberg was the ONE person he put over clean in WCW.

According to this:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/h/hulk-hogan.php

He lost to Sting, Piper and Luger a few times. no mention if they're clean though. Didn't Sting beat him cleanly at SuperBrawl?

- Oh yes, how can I forget the amazing classics between DDP and Hogan, as well as Booker T and Hogan.

Um...you said this.
"know this has been said in a million posts and a million interviews, but WCW had no new stars."

So I said
"DDP or Booker T ring a bell?"

-Did you actually watch WCW for more than six months?

Yes. Did you?

-Not the first time they used the fingerpoke of doom.

And it was Hogan who came up with that idea?

- I suppose this is where you attribute the Rock's superstar status to the fact that he put The Rock over after taking three Rock Bottoms. Thank God Hogan put him over. Jesus, I'm not sure what he would have done.

Yep. He put Rock over. After Rock kicked out of his Leg Drop. Big time putting him over.

Are you Hulk Hogan?

Are you Randy Savage?

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 08:27 PM

- Mediocre tag team push versus huge singles momentum and heat after taking out Hulk Hogan. Alright.

You might have also noticed the tag team he was feuding with consisted of Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Kinda some of the biggest names in modern wrestling history. He couldn't have feuded with bigger stars than those two.

Xero

07-02-2007, 08:28 PM

"Yep. He put Rock over. After Rock kicked out of his Leg Drop. Big time putting him over."

And then Rock left about a year later. Plus Rock was already established. So that's two negative strikes about putting Rock over - He didn't elevate him by much and he pretty much left less than a year later.

Not saying it wasn't right and that he didn't put him over, just that in hindsight it didn't work out for the best.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 08:34 PM

And of course, that's all Hogan's fault, right?

He predicted Rock would leave wrestling and everything. And now he sits there, laughing about how he didn't really put him over.

Xero

07-02-2007, 08:35 PM

No, it's pretty much WWE's fault though. They probably knew that he was on his way out which is why they rushed the Goldberg feud.

Xero

07-02-2007, 08:37 PM

Again, though, I'm not denying that it was the right thing to do and that it was best for everyone all around.

Kane Knight

07-02-2007, 09:49 PM

That's why everyone was boo'ing him?

Hello? Heel?

His matches at Summerslam with Orton and HBK say otherwise. He always gets huge pops and draws.

I was at an event in Worchester (Whoostah) Where Teddy Long in his referee role got a better pop than most of the wrestlers.

Pops don't equal drawing. Otherwise, Scotty 2 hotty would equal buyrates. Xero pointed out Sting, and he's a great example of a poor draw but a popular face.

Hell, with just his naem on WM23, it sold out in no time at all.

False.

And it seems millions of people agree with me on both points.

Millions of people in your head, maybe.

Hogan was more over than Rock. To evens suggest Rock is more popular than Hogan is ludicrous.

Not at that point. To compare the two of them in thge Rock's Era is like asking if Mohammed Ali could beat Mike Tyson TODAY.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 10:10 PM

Hello? Heel?

No... Hogan was the heel.

Not at that point. To compare the two of them in thge Rock's Era is like asking if Mohammed Ali could beat Mike Tyson TODAY.

But it's not a fight.

It's a battle of who is the bigger name and who's been more over.

Hogan wins that hands down.
Millions of people in your head, maybe.

What a great comeback.

Nikkolas

07-02-2007, 10:12 PM

Also, Hogan drew for SummerSlam.

hb2k

07-03-2007, 09:43 AM

What an absurd discussion.

Hogan is a legend, but face facts, other than a couple of nostalgia appearances, he really hasn't provided anything concrete in recent years. Wrestlemania with the Rock was a case of reliving a part of history for one night, not a sign he was more over then Rock. Need proof? Isn't it funny how the buyrate for Hogan's title win, or the dip in ratings during his title run, isn't mentioned on his list of accolades?

Hogan and Shawn, and to a small extent, maybe even Bret Hart, drew the Summerslam buyrate, no question, because it was built very well. Hogan and Orton wasn't built nearly as well, and the buyrate was at normal Summerslam level - he didn't add anything to the show that year, and did do damage to Orton's stock - he went from a high level heel to wrestling a nothing match with Carlito the next month, and then becoming the clear second banana in a group with Edge that should have been two heels of equal importance.

As for Hogan in WCW, lets not forget that he was on top when the WWF took back over, and WCW tanked into the dirt. Hell, at one point, and this is in the Death of WCW book, in 1999, a Hogan segment was actually beaten in the head to head ratings by a Steve Blackman Vs. Val Venis match.

Also, the rationale that Mania sold out with only Hogan's name is preposterous, if he meant that much, don't you think the Hogan Vs. Big Show match would have done better than 2,000 paid attendance, and 3,500 free entries?

Nikkolas

07-03-2007, 10:40 AM

Hogan is a legend, but face facts, other than a couple of nostalgia appearances, he really hasn't provided anything concrete in recent years. Wrestlemania with the Rock was a case of reliving a part of history for one night, not a sign he was more over then Rock. Need proof? Isn't it funny how the buyrate for Hogan's title win, or the dip in ratings during his title run, isn't mentioned on his list of accolades?

Uh....the ratings dip had crap to do with Hogan's title run. They were low during Taker's run as well.

Also, the rationale that Mania sold out with only Hogan's name is preposterous, if he meant that much, don't you think the Hogan Vs. Big Show match would have done better than 2,000 paid attendance, and 3,500 free entries?

Is Memphis as big a promotion as the WWE? Do most average wrestling fans have a clue that match took place? And who brings in most money? Average fans.

Plus most people were expecting Lawler/Hogan. This was a disappointment to many.

hb2k

07-03-2007, 12:42 PM

Uh....the ratings dip had crap to do with Hogan's title run.

Funny how that works out, huh.

Is Memphis as big a promotion as the WWE? Do most average wrestling fans have a clue that match took place? And who brings in most money? Average fans.

Plus most people were expecting Lawler/Hogan. This was a disappointment to many.

Memphis has been able to sell out 13,500 seats at the Mid-South Coliseum for years and is one of the biggest markets in terms of actual wrestling audience in the country because it's been an institution there for so long. It was absolutely possible to draw more that 2,000 paying fans, but people didn't care.

As for the Hogan/Lawler - that's the exact point, Mania wasn't a case of "Hogan's name sold it out", and if he still had that ability, his opposition on that Memphis show wouldn't have mattered because he was still Hulk Hogan.