View Full Version : Bring Back The Hardcore Title And Give it To Sandman
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 10:42 AM
My Rationale:
Sandman is dead weight on RAW. Once the Carlito feud is over, the odds of him getting a real title shot are in the negatives. The guy needs some sort of purpose on the show and if anyone currently deserves that belt, it's him.
Thoughts?
Theo Dious
07-03-2007, 10:48 AM
I have a better idea. Fire Sandman's useless ass.
Evil Vito
07-03-2007, 10:50 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Not gonna happen.
If they did bring it back, it would probably be with the 24/7 rule and it'd basically be an excuse to get all the Heat people on TV.
Also, if they brought it back...I bet it would be going to ECW, just to give them another title.</font>
owenbrown
07-03-2007, 10:50 AM
They can't even manage the titles they have now, much less reactivate an old title.
Paranoid Rattlesnake
07-03-2007, 10:58 AM
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wwehc
lol
http://files.vgpub.com/images/WM%2021%20belt%20guide%20pics/Hardcore.jpg
Mr. JL
07-03-2007, 11:14 AM
I thought the Sandman-Carlito match segment on Raw proved to be pretty useless and the crowd did not seem to know how to react to it either.
The WWE has pretty much used him as the guy who drinks beer for an entrance or canes people for a moment or the guy who gets beaten within 10 seconds.
If they establish that Sandman is a legitimate threat to Carlito by letting him run wild with the hardcore accessories that HE NEEDS to get over then the fans might actually want themselves to react.
Mr. JL
07-03-2007, 11:16 AM
Otherwise the fans are merely going to think that this is just a three week feud between a jobber and a midcarder and won't bother reacting either way.
DRBailey
07-03-2007, 11:25 AM
Ugh 'hardcore' matches....American garbage wrestling. There wouldn't be a worthwhile division in it. Name an ex-hardcore champ not called Foley who really did anything after winning it.
Dead end title for dead end talent
Theo Dious
07-03-2007, 11:27 AM
If they establish that Sandman is a legitimate threat to Carlito by letting him run wild with the hardcore accessories that HE NEEDS to get over then the fans might actually want themselves to react.
If you can't get over without an assortment of accessories, then you don't deserve to have a spot in the company.
Mr Regal
07-03-2007, 11:42 AM
Ugh 'hardcore' matches....American garbage wrestling. There wouldn't be a worthwhile division in it. Name an ex-hardcore champ not called Foley who really did anything after winning it.
Dead end title for dead end talent
Mr Regal
07-03-2007, 11:42 AM
Ugh 'hardcore' matches....American garbage wrestling. There wouldn't be a worthwhile division in it. Name an ex-hardcore champ not called Foley who really did anything after winning it.
Dead end title for dead end talent
JBL
IC Champion
07-03-2007, 11:50 AM
Raven....:shifty:
Theo Dious
07-03-2007, 11:51 AM
JBL
and RVD.
and Victoria.
and Big Show.
and Chris Jericho.
and Undertaker.
and Booker T.
Stickman
07-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Fans don't react to anybody.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 12:33 PM
Ugh 'hardcore' matches....American garbage wrestling.
Um...it's hardly "American." Ever heard of a guy named Abdullah the Butcher who had legendary hardcore matches in Japan?
And Sandman isn't being pushed because the WWE hav eno idea how to use talent. The guy has aerial abilities, a decent moveset, charisma and could be worth something if they let him.
Rammsteinmad
07-03-2007, 12:35 PM
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wwehc
lol
http://files.vgpub.com/images/WM%2021%20belt%20guide%20pics/Hardcore.jpg
I never understood why any of the wrestlers would wanna go for that title in the first place. :wtf:
*Hits Sandman with a Banana, blinding him and takes the Hardcore Title*
:shifty:
Mooияakeя™
07-03-2007, 01:33 PM
EC-Dub is the new hardcore title. Cos the new ECW is HARCOOOOORRRRE.
Jordan
07-03-2007, 02:29 PM
not gonna happen
D Mac
07-03-2007, 02:36 PM
Sandman rules.
DRBailey
07-03-2007, 02:41 PM
I meant the hardcore title was the american garbage wrestling title. Makes the company look cheap and backyardish....
Rammsteinmad
07-03-2007, 02:43 PM
In fact, Carlito fueding with someone like Sandman is a total :nono:.
Seriously, Carlito is probably right now one of the most well-rounded wrestlers in the WWE.
He has awesome mic skills and can definitely cut a promo, make us laugh etc. Although he was better off as his "cool" heel... now he just seems like a "Heel" heel.
His in-ring skills are top notch. Check out any of his PPV match over the last two years if you need convincing. One notable mention would be his triple threat match with Johnny Nitro and Shelton Benjamin at Vengeance 2006.
He has the look and a great body to not be "too small" for WWE's standards.
Sandman should have just stayed on ECW. This whole "Oh my god this guy is EXTREME and now he's a fish out of water on Raw" thing doesn't work for me. His Kendo stick swinging antics belong on ECW. Carlito belongs in the main event.
My opinion. :y:
Got to say I do love Sandman.
I'm seriously surprised WWE allows him to break open those beers the way he does considering the amount of kids in the audience though. That shit goes EVERYWHERE.
D Mac
07-03-2007, 02:46 PM
Should have moved him to Smackdown.
D Mac
07-03-2007, 02:47 PM
I wonder if he still had Enter Sandman as his theme if he would be more over.
Probably at least a bit more over.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 02:51 PM
His Kendo stick swinging antics belong on ECW
It's a Singapore Cane.
And Carlito's hair absorbs most of the blow.
I got an excellent match for him and Carlito at the next Raw or PPV.
The Sandman vs. Carlito - FIRST BLOOD.
It will set a record for fastest match ever.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 02:52 PM
Should have moved him to Smackdown.
He said he's 215 now.
The Sandman: Cruiserweight Champion.
Rammsteinmad
07-03-2007, 03:01 PM
The first blood match would end during the intros.
Rammsteinmad
07-03-2007, 03:02 PM
Oh yeah, just realised what you meant by "fastest match ever". Sorry. :D
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 03:20 PM
My Take On Why Sandman Doesn't Smoke On WWE TV
I haven't seeN Sandman smoke on WWE TV.
Spewing beer everywhere is A-OK 'cause of Austin but smoking is a huge taboo here in the States. God forbid some of the smoke end up near a kid and WWE gets another BS Lawsuit against the guy.
Mother: "THIS MAN IS SLOWLY KILLING MY SON THROUGH SECOND HAND SMOKE!"
Judge: Mr. Fullington, do you have anything to say in your defense?
Sandman: *stands up in his suit and shuffles some notes, clears throat* Yes, Your Honor. *leans down and pulls out a Singapore Cane from under the table and cracks the mother over the head*
The court room explodes into applause as people realize this is how most lawsuits should end and scream "SANDMAN!"{ as he stands on on a desk and starts chugging a beer.
This also reminds me of this promo the guy did back in the ECW Days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjAZ3jIJC_M
That titel was da best SIGN THIS IT ROCKS
Afterlife
07-03-2007, 04:37 PM
The thing is, weren't most of the guys that wanted the HC title former ECW wrestlers anyway? I mean, Jeff Hardy was just crazy, Blackman was a 'tough guy' type and Goldust was nuts, but weren't the rest of them basically hardcore alumni? I'm not sure how many guys could do consistant hardcore matches nowadays.
Afterlife
07-03-2007, 04:38 PM
Also, Sandman does rule, but that match with Carlito was awful.
Anybody Thrilla
07-03-2007, 04:50 PM
The Sandman is painful to watch. Absolutely dreadful. If he even goes over Carlito once in this feud, I will be sorely disappointed.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 05:06 PM
He's the Master of the Singapore Cane.
He also can do a few alright top rope and springboard moves. He can do a DDT, his finisher the White Russian Legsweep and a few other moves.
He at least can do more than a chop and Figure 4.
Anybody Thrilla
07-03-2007, 05:10 PM
I just made a thread about how I hate Ric Flair.
Also, those moves are all sloppily executed by The Sandman.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 05:13 PM
He hasn't hurt or killed anyone yet.
So it works.
Stickman
07-03-2007, 05:20 PM
Carlito sucks too.
Anybody Thrilla
07-03-2007, 05:38 PM
He hasn't hurt or killed anyone yet.
So it works.
Is that how you judge talent? He sucks, bro.
Mr. JL
07-03-2007, 05:42 PM
He's the Master of the Singapore Cane.
He also can do a few alright top rope and springboard moves. He can do a DDT, his finisher the White Russian Legsweep and a few other moves.
He at least can do more than a chop and Figure 4.
I used to think he called it the Wife Russian Legsweep for some reason.
Nikkolas
07-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Is that how you judge talent?
No. But I don't judge a wrestler just because he can't do a move perfect. He can do it. End of story.
He sucks, bro.
He's a legend.
D Mac
07-04-2007, 03:42 AM
Is that how you judge talent? He sucks, bro.
Sandman > Marcus Cor Von
:mad:
redoneja
07-04-2007, 09:50 AM
Carlito sucks too.
Sandman > Marcus Cor Von
:mad:
Hey hey hey, no one insults the Hippophant! I'm the #1 Hippophan!
Cor Von > Sandman > .... > Shoe > Shitco Sid
D Mac
07-04-2007, 03:23 PM
NEVER :mad:
Dorkchop
07-04-2007, 05:02 PM
I've never liked the Sandman. I'd also like to never see the hardcore title in WWE again. Having a "hardcore" match every week is too much. I like a good hardcore match, but the more you have the less special they seem.
Does anyone have any pictures of the hardcore belt Tommy Dreamer held right before RVD won it and I think unified it with the IC title. It had a license plate.
FourFifty
07-05-2007, 04:36 PM
I :heart: New Jack!
Anybody Thrilla
07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Sandman > Marcus Cor Von
:mad:
You better have made this post after 43 or so Bud Ices.
Stickman
07-05-2007, 07:00 PM
To be serious, I would'nt mind the hardcore title coming back. Everything nowadays is all generic. it'd add spice to the show.
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