Kennedy gives his 2 cents on the media coverage lately

[Innovator]

This is taken from ken-kennedy.com

Please GOD, I'm just BEGGING for someone who has actually wrestled in a WWE ring in the past decade besides Jericho, Bret Hart, John Cena, and Ted Dibiase to come forward on one of these shows and tell the world what's really going on. For these goofs, like Lanny Poffo? Ultimate
Warrior? and Marc Mero???!! to repeatedly act as "experts" and "wrestler advocates" on the current situation is like having a frustrated ex-jock who rode the pine bench throughout his high school sports career give advice to Brett Favre on how to improve his game! It's ridiculous, insane, and it really makes me sick that these so called reporters like Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and Geraldo Rivera, call upon these silly bastards who are bitter and frustrated that their careers have ended to represent the WWE which of course makes all of us look like a bunch of babbling idiots who are all addicted to steroids, drugs, alcohol, etc.

THINGS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE FIVE OR TEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO! Most of the "expert", frustrated ex-wrestlers that they've had on the show came from an era where everyone wrestled every day and then went out and partied like rock stars until dawn, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, smoking cigarettes and marijuana, snorting cocaine, taking fistfuls of pills, and injecting massive amounts of steroids. They would take pills to go to sleep, snort coke or take speed to get up and do this day after day after day! This would not be even remotely tolerated in today's environment.

We have a strict drug policy in place. The WWE's wellness program was designed and instituted by the same doctor who implemented the NFL and the NBA's substance abuse programs. Contrary to what somebody recently said on one of these "tabloid" shows the WWE's allowed levels are exactly the same as the NFL. (Someone, I can't recall exactly who said it, said that the WWE allowed a 10:1 Testosterone to Epitestosterone level, which is false. We have a 4:1 level exactly like the NFL and the NBA.) In fact, I knew of someone who took an over the counter supplement from GNC which he didn't know was on the banned list, which caused him to have an elevated testosterone level. This individual was suspended and fined because of it. We can't even take Ephedrine which is another legal supplement that can be bought at any gas station in the country. Since I've been with the company, I've seen the few people that did have problems with drugs either sent to rehab to try and help them overcome their addictions, (sent to one of the top rehab facilities in the country and paid for in full by the WWE) or be fired for repeat offenses.

Look at the list of wrestlers who have prematurely passed away over the years, and most of them made the decision to live their lives this way. That's right, I said "made the decision" because we have this cool thing in the United States of America called "freedom of choice". I have the choice to quit my job if I don't like it, or if I feel that I'm on the road too much. I have the right to choose whether or not I want to break the law and use drugs. I have the right to choose between eating healthy food and exercising regularly and eating fast-food three times a day, not going to the gym, and becoming obese like a good majority of the citizens in this country. When will individuals be held accountable for their own actions? Will it ever happen, or will we always try and point the finger at someone else? Unfortunately as much as I respect the man, Superstar Billy Graham is ultimately responsible for the health problems he suffers from right now because of the choices he made in his career. I find it both sad and humorous that the man who many say is largely responsible for starting the whole "steroid craze" in pro-wrestling is now pointing the finger at the industry rather than blaming himself.

I, like everyone else in the company, have the luxury of being able to go home almost every week, play with my dog, hang out with my girlfriend, sleep in my own bed, and eat good home cooked food. This wasn't the case with these frustrated ex-wrestlers who are trying to grasp on to FIVE more minutes of fame and recognition.

I hear some of these guys talking about how the WWE doesn't have any type of benefits. I heard Johnny Grunge's widow on Nancy Grace saying that wrestling leaves you with nothing, and that two weeks after her husband was released from WCW that they lost their cars and their home. It apparently wasn't obvious to Nancy Grace, who is reportedly an extremely intelligent person, that they were obviously living outside of their means, and they weren't doing something that my parents taught me to do when I was a little kid……SAVE MONEY.

This job pays well, but I know that it won't last forever. It's the same problem with pro athletes and actors in Hollywood who spend, spend, spend, like the money grows on trees and like it's always going to be there, and then falls flat on their faces when their careers are suddenly cut short. Who's fault? The team? The studio in Hollywood? I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who don't save money and spend everything that they earn so they can impress everyone around them with all the NEAT THINGS that they own. As far as the having no health insurance thing goes, I've been seriously injured twice since I've been in the WWE. Every red cent has been paid for in full by the company, which is the case for any employee who is injured during a work or work-related event. Yes, I have my own supplemental insurance which is a bit expensive, but if WWE paid for it, I'm sure that, just like every other company in the country that offers health insurance to their employees, I would just be paid less, so it's a wash!

In the end, we are all responsible for our own actions. Saying that Vince McMahon is responsible for the deaths of the Benoit's is like saying that you and I are responsible for the deaths of Anna Nicole Smith and her son. The millions of people who tuned in every week to be entertained by "how funny" she was when she was all PILLED up and DRUNK, suddenly became the same people who acted SHOCKED and APALLED when she died of a drug overdose. Somebody, PLEASE, stop the insanity!!!!

[FourFifty]

Kennedy is the man!








...Man!

[Theo Dious]

Kennedy is the man and I want to toss his salad.








...salad!

[Indifferent Clox]

Kennedy is the salad




...man!

[Indifferent Clox]

I don't think I understand how to work the catchphrase...




Properly...

[Theo Dious]

It's entirely possible.
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[FourFifty]

They need to give Kennedy a solid 10 mins to do a shoot on whatever is on his mind. Seriously, this is awesome.










*clap-clap clap-clap-clap*

[Theo Dious]

Fuck that, he should get fifteen minutes on EVERY Raw, ten on EVERY Smackdown, and five on EVERY ECW to just say whatever the hell is on his mind.

[IC Champion]

Kennedy is the fucking man.


Also, Fuck Bill O'Reilly and his ingnorant ass.

[IC Champion]

Also, the American Media as a whole is terrible, worst in the free world probably.

[road doggy dogg]

Wow Kennedy is fucking awesome.

[Schoenauer]

Damn, Kenny sure can kick some ass!






KICK SOME ASS!

[Stickman]

I like Kennedy a lot more now.











....like

[BigDaddyCool]

Kennedy is the fucking man.


Also, Fuck Bill O'Reilly and his ingnorant ass.

Awesome, awesome to the max.

[road doggy dogg]

Just imagine what a couple of go-go- 80's Reaganauts like us could do.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, I would like to see Kennedy form a 4 Hourman-esque stable.

[Corkscrewed]

You must spread more reputation before giving it to Ken Kennedy.




:y: :y:

[IC Champion]

O'Reilly makes conservatives look bad as a whole, he makes them look like opinionated, closed minded, greedy fucks and shits on any beleif that isn't his own, oh yeah and he's on Fox.

[BigDaddyCool]

O'Reilly makes conservatives look bad a whole, he makes them look like opinionated, closed minded, greedy fucks and shits on any beleif that isn't his own, oh yeah and he's on Fox.

It is odd and conservatives are so jewish, yet we hate jews. BTW, Bill O'Reilly doesn't speak for all conservatives, just the dumb ones.

[Theo Dious]

He also looks like a poodle's shaved ass. Just putting that out there.

[BigDaddyCool]

He also looks like a poodle's shaved ass. Just putting that out there.

I don't generally look at a poodle's shaved ass.

[Theo Dious]

There are horrors in my past you could not imagine.

[BigDaddyCool]

Please GOD, I'm just BEGGING for someone who has actually wrestled in a WWE ring in the past decade besides Jericho, Bret Hart, John Cena, and Ted Dibiase to come forward on one of these shows and tell the world what's really going on.

Wait, isn't Kennedy someone who has actaully wrestling in a WWE ring in the past decade besides Jericho, Bret Hart, John Cena and Ted Dibiase? Why hasn't he come foward. The rest is spot on, and I could see why he wouldn't come out as he is farily new to the sport, but still.

[Stickman]

Marc Mero has been rediculous on these shows

[Theo Dious]

Wait, isn't Kennedy someone who has actaully wrestling in a WWE ring in the past decade besides Jericho, Bret Hart, John Cena and Ted Dibiase? Why hasn't he come foward. The rest is spot on, and I could see why he wouldn't come out as he is farily new to the sport, but still.

I think he realizes though that nobody knows who he is outside of the wrestling world. The problem is that aside from Jericho, Hart, Blackman, and DiBiase, I can't really think of anyone who has wrestled in WWE in the past ten years who isn't crazy, anrgy, bitter, in TNA, or any combination thereof. I mean who else are they going to get? Sid?

[Theo Dious]

We do not need a grown man shitting himself on Larry King Live to fuck up what credibility we have left.

[Xero]

They already have that in Larry himself...

[Theo Dious]

They already have that in Larry himself...

......................................................... DAMN! :rofl:

[Rammsteinmad]

Good read. :y:

What's that quote in your sig Innovator? Who said it? Nice little line.

[Innovator]

Can't remember where I found it, but it holds true still

[RGWhat316]

If only I could positive rep Kennedy. He is right on the money. I've watched some of these shows and all I hear is people like Marc Mero bitching that it has to be drugs and steroids that caused Benoit to do this. He's just trying to make a name for himself since no one has considered talking to him in the last 10 years when he was somebody.

[The Fugitive]

I think Inno might be referring to this.

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Oh, and excellent read. Props to Kennedy.

[SammyG]

MISTER FUCKING KENNEDY. Amazing read. I fucking love Ken Kennedy.

[Jura]

Good read. :y:

What's that quote in your sig Innovator? Who said it? Nice little line.
Someone told me it was CM Punk and I think I found that video of him in the UK doing a promo saying those exact words.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Towing the company line. Anyone who claims the wwe's "wellness Program" is great and doesnt have any holes must take people for fools.

Secondly, if the guys in the wwe are so pissed about former stars accepting offers to be interviewed at these shows, how about instead of bitching and sitting back, you guys currently in the know, currently in the company, actually get up and take a stand for the industry, instead of pretending like everything is fine and shit. But no, the wwe doesnt want to do that. They want to ignore it. Well fine, but dont complain when others who once worked for the company accept to speak publicly about this.

[Shaggy]

Bichoff recently wrote a blog saying the same thing....

I have more respect now for Bichoff and Kennedy...

Granted im also a huge Kennedy and Bichoff mark

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Inno might be referring to this.

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Oh, and excellent read. Props to Kennedy.
ROFL that is the stupidest thing I've ever seen

Its just a fucking TV show, give me a break

[Theo Dious]

Secondly, if the guys in the wwe are so pissed about former stars accepting offers to be interviewed at these shows, how about instead of bitching and sitting back, you guys currently in the know, currently in the company, actually get up and take a stand for the industry, instead of pretending like everything is fine and shit.

Maybe because anything they say will be dismissed as "towing" the company line?

[Theo Dious]

Additionally, that sentence hurt my eyes.

[Mooияakeя™]

Seeing that sig made me chuckle. Funny how WWE is most popular though, kinda Ironic in a Vincent K. McMahon kinda way.

Considering how big WWE is here in UK, u can tell fans here aren't the best educated at non-WWE stuff (possibly bar Liverpool and Doncaster). What little bits of promotions we have here, barely anyone goes. That's quite sad as there are a few British wrestlers that are bearable to watch in the ring. Heck, peeps would probably get to see a better show at one than Vengance.

[Kane Knight]

You know, I was with him for a couple of paragraphs. I disagree about some of it, but when the moron said that WWE had a strict drug policy, my BS meter went right off the charts.

I swear, if the rant is hateful enough, smarks will agree with anyone and call him "the man," no matter how patently fucking stupid he sounds.

But who am I to knock it? It got me all my green rep.

[Kane Knight]

ROFL that is the stupidest thing I've ever seen

Its just a fucking TV show, give me a break

Oh, come on, man. You've seen how gay Canadians get over wrestling.

[BigDaddyCool]

You know, I was with him for a couple of paragraphs. I disagree about some of it, but when the moron said that WWE had a strict drug policy, my BS meter went right off the charts.

I swear, if the rant is hateful enough, smarks will agree with anyone and call him "the man," no matter how patently fucking stupid he sounds.

But who am I to knock it? It got me all my green rep.

I'm not sure what to think about Health and Wellness program. Benoit clearily snuck through the cracks...but has anyone else really got through?

[Kane Knight]

I'm not sure what to think about Health and Wellness program. Benoit clearily snuck through the cracks...but has anyone else really got through?

Depends. Has anyone else died spectacularly? No. Does it look like people are still on drugs? Yes. has this been taken seriously? Doubtful.

[BigDaddyCool]

Depends. Has anyone else died spectacularly? No. Does it look like people are still on drugs? Yes. has this been taken seriously? Doubtful.

I do not doubt for a second that Benoit is on 'roids, and besides Bats, I can't really tell if anyone else is on 'roids. Everyone says Cena and Lashley...but to are they really? I look for signs like "shrink wrapped" skin and those big flat viens, not just huge muscles. Maybe I'm just giving the benifit of the doubt. :-\

[Kane Knight]

It's not just 'roids, either.

And while people like Edge had prescriptions, they came from the same doctors giving bogus scrips to MLB players. Benoit had a prescription, after all, so it's okay. Right?

(By their actions, not your own logic).

[BigDaddyCool]

It's not just 'roids, either.

And while people like Edge had prescriptions, they came from the same doctors giving bogus scrips to MLB players. Benoit had a prescription, after all, so it's okay. Right?

(By their actions, not your own logic).

Point taken. I wish we could get access to the records to see if they are doing something, but I understand the reasons they keep this private.

[Sepholio]

When I read this article earlier, it made me respect MISTAH KENNNNEEEDDDYYY greatly. Like seriously, if he ever leaves wrestling, he needs his own TV show. He would OWN most of the n00bs on the t00b by a long shot.

[Kane Knight]

Point taken. I wish we could get access to the records to see if they are doing something, but I understand the reasons they keep this private.

It only comes up in a scandal. I mean, people swept Edge's steroid use under the rug because Edge "is the man." By which, they mean another abusive douchebag for a bunch of braindead retards to fawn over.

Anway, the Scandal wwith Edge and company wasn'tthe roids, but where they got them. Like Benoit, they got them from a dubious source, and the doctor was under investigation before Chris went Postal on his family.

[YOUR Hero]

Just imagine what a couple of go-go- 80's Reaganauts like us could do.


I too suffer from bone-itis

[YOUR Hero]

Anyway, you can't expect these reporters to only interview guys from the current roster or guys that wish to return. Those types of guys are all going to come across as 'yes-men' to Vince & Co.
I understand that getting the likes of Marc Mero is frustrating to watch, but it's not for these shows, because they can have a set agenda and run over the likes of these idiots. Of course the fact that a guy that's bitter toward the industry also helps the news program prove their points.
News these days isn't objective, it's already made up it's mind on how it wants the story to unfold.

[YOUR Hero]

BTW, Kennedy's article was solid.

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, you can't expect these reporters to only interview guys from the current roster or guys that wish to return. Those types of guys are all going to come across as 'yes-men' to Vince & Co.

Like Kennedy is...

I understand that getting the likes of Marc Mero is frustrating to watch, but it's not for these shows, because they can have a set agenda and run over the likes of these idiots. Of course the fact that a guy that's bitter toward the industry also helps the news program prove their points.
News these days isn't objective, it's already made up it's mind on how it wants the story to unfold.

I do want to point out that MEro has a lot of points. People whine that he's bitter and has an agenda, then fellate the guys who say what they want to hear, which is usually the company line. He says a lot of things that are uncomfortable, but people discard it because they'd rather be lead around like little sheep. When Kennedy talks about the work environment, he has no credibility. The only people who will have credibility are people who aren't currently on the roster, and they will be pegged as "bitter," no matter how true.

[YOUR Hero]

I'm not stating he has no point, but his point, like the company guys, is skewed. Thesed news programs have an agenda and they fill it with those persons that best reflect their already decided p.o.v.

[Kane Knight]

I wasn't arguing with you. Just making the point.

And I think you're wrong, but only partially. The media will skew to sensation, but it's not a fixed argument. If there was something that came along that was shocking enough, they'd change their point of view.

And I mean, let's face it. The media coverage from Larry King was pretty cordial and nice.

[Rob]

BTW, Kennedy's article was solid.

How was it solid? He defended the company and then turned a blind eye to the drug issue.

[KingofOldSchool]

How was it solid? He defended the company and then turned a blind eye to the drug issue.

What drug issue?

[James Steele]

It is not WWE's responsibility to make sure their employees don't do drugs. Is it McDonald's responsibility to make sure all of its employees aren't crackheads? They do enough. They have a drug test, and if you fail you get punished. WTF more do you want them to do? People make choices and they live with the consequences of those actions.

[James Steele]

Every other sports company in the world just has a drug test and consequences for failure. People are dumbasses and they die for it. Welcome to reality.

[KingofOldSchool]

It is not WWE's responsibility to make sure their employees don't do drugs. Is it McDonald's responsibility to make sure all of its employees aren't crackheads? They do enough. They have a drug test, and if you fail you get punished. WTF more do you want them to do? People make choices and they live with the consequences of those actions.

Well duh, they can't stop them from doing anything. But they CAN punish EVERYONE who fails these tests instead of giving them slap on the wrists. ie: Suspend them without pay

I think they should do the Three Strikes, You're Out policy.

1st Offense - Suspend for a month with no pay, the 1st TV show of the suspension have The Coach or Teddy Long or someone announce that so and so failed a drug test and is officially suspended for 1 month.

2nd Offense - Suspend for 3-6 months with no pay.

3rd Offense - YYYYYOOOOUUUUU'RRRRREEE FFFFFIIIIRRRRRED!

[Loose Cannon]

I think Kennedy was well spoken on some things like all these old wrestlers coming on just to get one more day in the sun. I agree with him there a little.

But, just like everyone else in the WWE, he's saying everything just fine and dandy as the WWE drug policy is concerend. And that's just bullshit. It's skewed to favor the top stars. They'll never get touched. And please, a guy like Lashley not on something? It's clear as day.

[James Steele]

I agree that would be the best case scenario, but (and this is not an excuse for WWE going limp on the wellness policy) the wrestling world doesn't work that way. For the industry to get cleaned up, the government would have to step in and regulate every single wrestling promotion in the US and that would be fucking impossible. I just don't like the whole idea of the government regulating every little facet of these kinds of things. Yeah, its tragic so many wrestlers die because of drugs but they made those choices and they have nobody to blame but themselves. At the end of the day, there is more important shit for the gov't to worry about than dumbass wrestlers who are killing themselves to get high, drunk, or freakishly huge.

[Rob]

What drug issue?

:rofl:

It is not WWE's responsibility to make sure their employees don't do drugs. Is it McDonald's responsibility to make sure all of its employees aren't crackheads? They do enough. They have a drug test, and if you fail you get punished. WTF more do you want them to do? People make choices and they live with the consequences of those actions.

Have 100+ McDonalds workers under the age of 45 dropped dead from drug issues in the past 10 years? No. How do I know? Because if they did, it would have been all over the news.

Is it not the responsibility of the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc if their athletes dropped dead like flies?

WWE doesn't punish it's talent properly for failing drug tests. And they also have a ton of legal loopholes in which you can take every drug under the sun if you have a valid prescription and it's not a failed test.

[Loose Cannon]

Koos, yea, they can punish anyone, but they never will punish the guy who is making $$$ for them. I'm not disagreeing with you as I would be all for a 3 strike policy, but it will never apply to 100% of the roster. Money first, Caring for human beings second. Hate to put it that harsh, but that's what it comes down to.

[Rob]

I think Kennedy was well spoken on some things like all these old wrestlers coming on just to get one more day in the sun. I agree with him there a little.

He'll change his tune when 10 of his friends die or when he turns 45, has nothing to his name after his ex wife takes all his money after the divorce and he doesn't have a pension or health care to fall back on.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I agree. Seems to be what always happens.

[Rob]

Koos, yea, they can punish anyone, but they never will punish the guy who is making $$$ for them. I'm not disagreeing with you as I would be all for a 3 strike policy, but it will never apply to 100% of the roster. Money first, Caring for human beings second. Hate to put it that harsh, but that's what it comes down to.

Randy Orton failed a drug test this year and his punishment was working without pay. How exactly does this help the drug issues? He can't afford them? Bollocks. Others won't do drugs to build their bodies when the company openly pushes talent with bigger bodies over wrestling talent? Bollocks.

[KingofOldSchool]

Koos, yea, they can punish anyone, but they never will punish the guy who is making $$$ for them. I'm not disagreeing with you as I would be all for a 3 strike policy, but it will never apply to 100% of the roster. Money first, Caring for human beings second. Hate to put it that harsh, but that's what it comes down to.

Well I know that wouldn't apply to the important guys, but in a World where Vince and Stephanie care more about the health and well being of the wrestlers and less about the effect of the storylines, that would be the best way to go.

[KingofOldSchool]

What drug issue?


:rofl:


WHEN HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INSIDE A WWE RING?!?!?! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON BACKSTAGE! OUR DRUG TESTING IS PERFECT! THERE IS NO DRUG PROBLEM! I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE AN IDIOT! :foc:

[Rob]

<< Humbled~!

[Rob]

Well I know that wouldn't apply to the important guys, but in a World where Vince and Stephanie care more about the health and well being of the wrestlers and less about the effect of the storylines, that would be the best way to go.

Replace Benoit with HHH and the whole company policy would be changed in 15 minutes.

[KingofOldSchool]

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HUMBLED, OLD COUNTRY STYLE!

[James Steele]

So, if you have a prescription for medicine...thats not a valid reason to have it in your system? Is WWE supposed to assume that all doctors are like Dr. Astin and write prescriptions like candy?

[KingofOldSchool]

Replace Benoit with HHH and the whole company policy would be changed in 15 minutes.

Nah, they'd just blame on the stress Hunter had carrying the company on his back all those years.

[YOUR Hero]

How was it solid? He defended the company and then turned a blind eye to the drug issue.
because he's completely correct that it's grown men making the decision to take drugs. Give me a break, no one says they have to. If they don't and they don't get a push, than that's what it is. They are still the ones that make the decision based on their desire to be popular and pushed and all that BS. They are the ones that decide to risk their health for limelight.

because he's completely correct that if these guys don't save their money and are unwilling or unable to form a union. They have only themselves to blame. Once again, they make the decision to do things to be favoured for pushes, limelights, etc.

damn right Kennedy's towing the company line in a lot of what he says, but he's also spot on. Whether he realizes there's irony in it, I dunno. But he's put together a solid article on the matter.

[YOUR Hero]

Randy Orton failed a drug test this year and his punishment was working without pay. How exactly does this help the drug issues? He can't afford them? Bollocks. Others won't do drugs to build their bodies when the company openly pushes talent with bigger bodies over wrestling talent? Bollocks.

Rob, they still make the decision to take the drugs. Like I said if they don't get pushed, then they don't get pushed. It still doesn't mean they have to start taking drugs. If anyone believes they need to take drugs to 'keep up' then they are mentally challenged. Same thing applies to anyone that makes that argument.

[James Steele]

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[KingofOldSchool]

I don't think anyone is denying that it's the wrestler's choice if they do drugs or not. The biggest gripe I think people have, is that their drug testing is basically a smoke screen of sorts just to say "Hey, we do it. What more do you want?"

WWE, much like everything else they do, likes to half-ass it when it comes to their drug policy. They can sit there and point out "we fired Joey Mercury because of repeated substance abuse problems and we've suspended countless others." Of course they won't mention that most of the suspensions were either with pay or making them work without pay.

And of course both of those "punishments" are just slap on the wrists. I mean if you are sent home with pay, then even though you aren't getting exposure on TV, you're still getting paid to sit at home. Now if you are forced to work without getting paid, well then you are still getting TV exposure which is all too crucial to stay relevant with the fans.

[YOUR Hero]

If the WWE suspended people without pay, you guys would been complaining about it, talking about how bad it is that they have to pay many of their own expenses to begin with, etc etc etc. Here is a case where really... getting suspended is treated overly fairly by WWE. Now of course that fact is being used against them.
1001 complaints about how the WWE is run, even when it's in the best interest of the wrestlers. That = is a can't win situation.

Vince didn't invent the wrestling industry, sure he revolutionized it, but lets not forget he is just doing what has always been done, not just now but always.

Not just now.

Hmmm.

It's not like there are other wrestling organizations that are unionized, that have tight drug policies, that have a generous pension plan.



Does TNA or any other wrestling promotion have a drug policy?

[Kane Knight]

It is not WWE's responsibility to make sure their employees don't do drugs. Is it McDonald's responsibility to make sure all of its employees aren't crackheads? They do enough. They have a drug test, and if you fail you get punished. WTF more do you want them to do? People make choices and they live with the consequences of those actions.

And publically traded companies who choose to let suicides happen must deal with the consequences. In this case , bad publicity and a hit to stock prices.

WWE tried to prevent this after Eddie died by publically announcing a drug policy, designed to keep people healthy. They announced this to their stockholders. It IS their responsibility, James.

[Kane Knight]

IDoes TNA or any other wrestling promotion have a drug policy?

None. Not even WWE.

And I'm curious to hear about the rampant steroid abuse that wrestling promoters encouraged at the turn of the century. I mean, if you're gonna play DA, work at it.

[Rob]

So, if you have a prescription for medicine...thats not a valid reason to have it in your system? Is WWE supposed to assume that all doctors are like Dr. Astin and write prescriptions like candy?

When your levels are through the roof and more than 2 wrestlers have prescriptions from the same doctor, it's safe to say he is a mark doctor. It's not like they haven't had a past in dealing with mark doctors. Go back to the steroid scandal in the early 90's for more.

Kennedy can say what he likes to tow the company line but the fact is the WWE encourages steroid use since they clearly push big bodies over talent. You telling me that Lashley and Batista have more talent and charisma than RVD or Gregory Helms for example?

[James Steele]

When your levels are through the roof and more than 2 wrestlers have prescriptions from the same doctor, it's safe to say he is a mark doctor. It's not like they haven't had a past in dealing with mark doctors. Go back to the steroid scandal in the early 90's for more.

Kennedy can say what he likes to tow the company line but the fact is the WWE encourages steroid use since they clearly push big bodies over talent. You telling me that Lashley and Batista have more talent and charisma than RVD or Gregory Helms for example?
They pushed RVD and he fucked it up. Helms has gotten the short end of the hurri-stick. How do you know the results of the drug tests to know what their levels were?

[KingofOldSchool]

They pushed RVD and he fucked it up.

How did RVD fuck up from 2001-2003 when he was arguably at his hottest?

[James Steele]

How did RVD fuck up from 2001-2003 when he was arguably at his hottest?

When did I say he did? I said he fucked up his push. He got everything he wanted and he fucked it up. Yeah, he should have won the title during that period, but when you finally get your shot you don't let (pun intended) go up in smoke.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with a lot of what Mr. Kennedy says. I agree with him on everything about the WWE's drug policy. I don't know the intricacies of it, but we've seen Randy Orton skadoo out of so much shit. John Cena, Bobby Lashley and Batista must be on the shit, too. Edge has confessed to taking steroids, but his position in the WWE has not be compromised because of it. The only guys who get punished are in the developmental system, or pretty much expendible (see: Mercury, Joey).

I do, however, agree with Kennedy about most of what he said. Marc Mero probably is a bitter bastard. And what would he know about how the business operates now. And what Kennedy said about Bruno Sammartino is dead on the money, too.

Kennedy is also right about it being the choice of the wrestler. Mr. Kennedy could probably bulk up a lot more (he's big for an average guy, but for a wrestler he is only average), but he's making his way to the top without being a Bobby Lashley or a John Cena. I don't agree with the way the WWE pushes its talent, and I wish smaller guys had a better shot, but that's just the way it is. It's a wrestler's choice if they want to bulk up or not.

[Blue Demon]

Well duh, they can't stop them from doing anything. But they CAN punish EVERYONE who fails these tests instead of giving them slap on the wrists. ie: Suspend them without pay

I think they should do the Three Strikes, You're Out policy.

1st Offense - Suspend for a month with no pay, the 1st TV show of the suspension have The Coach or Teddy Long or someone announce that so and so failed a drug test and is officially suspended for 1 month.

2nd Offense - Suspend for 3-6 months with no pay.

3rd Offense - YYYYYOOOOUUUUU'RRRRREEE FFFFFIIIIRRRRRED!
Isn't this essentially what they're supposedly doing right now? :p

[Blue Demon]

btw...this is kinda true:

"Ken Kennedy said the words that should be gospel [Ok, maybe a bit over board...but hey]. What happened happened. We can't change the facts. We can't change what happened. We can't change the opinions that the world is going to make on Chris Benoit and the wrestling business. What can be done, and what should be done, is the work within a singular level to keep the talent informed of the dangers of drug abuse, and provide the necessary resources to handle the illness.

Don't blame the industry. Don't blame the giant. It's a singular basis problem that needs to be handled on a bigger scale, perhaps in a bigger frame or facet, but to say that the WWE or the NWA or other organizations assisted in helping these talents put the needle in the arm of a talented athlete, it's appalling to think that this is the way the world is thinking now."

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1184441087.shtml

[Kane Knight]

Don't blame the industry that pushes drugs on people when people die of overdoses. They can quit and find jobs elsewhere. I'm sure someone with "Pro Wrestler" on his resumé can find plenty of jobs in either the food service or ditch digging industry.

[Blue Demon]

Who said anyone forces the drugs on them? There's always gonna be two sides to the story, and people making claims on both of them...some of them outrages some of them not. I don't think this is ever going to be settled peacefully really. I agree that we shouldn't point the finger directly at the WWE though.

[McLegend]

But all wrestling promotions continue to push guys to main event (where the big money is) based on size.

So the industry has indeed assisted in helping these talents take steriods.

It's the system that is iwrong.

Kennedy is right though you can't change the past, but people in wrestling have to work together in order to change.

[Kane Knight]

Who said anyone forces the drugs on them? There's always gonna be two sides to the story, and people making claims on both of them...some of them outrages some of them not. I don't think this is ever going to be settled peacefully really. I agree that we shouldn't point the finger directly at the WWE though.

Nobody. Except, you know, that was a large pretense of the 80s steroids scandal, push is based on physique, etc.

I know you're Canadian, so I'll give you a pass on the rampant denial, but seriously.

[Blue Demon]

So should we blame McDonald's and other fast food places for making people fat? Doesn't QUITE fit I know...but if we're going to blame wrestling orgainizations for making people take steroides then DAMN YOU MCDONALD'S FOR MAKING ME WANT YOUR FOOD AND NOW I'M FAT.

[Blue Demon]

Nobody. Except, you know, that was a large pretense of the 80s steroids scandal, push is based on physique, etc.

I know you're Canadian, so I'll give you a pass on the rampant denial, but seriously.
I wasn't denying that there;'s issues with drugs in wrestling..my point was was that people are saying that they don't seem to have a choice at all when they do. Maybe I'm wring wit hmy thinking here, but I may not be a musclehead, but if I wanted to be a wrestler and was maybe in the upper midcard, I still have my "dream job" do I not?

[Kane Knight]

So should we blame McDonald's and other fast food places for making people fat? Doesn't QUITE fit I know...but if we're going to blame wrestling orgainizations for making people take steroides then DAMN YOU MCDONALD'S FOR MAKING ME WANT YOUR FOOD AND NOW I'M FAT.

Does McDonalds require you to have a certain physique to get their "best" food?

[Kane Knight]

I wasn't denying that there;'s issues with drugs in wrestling..

Except what you're saying goes back to turning a blind eye to the problems which are there which relate to your statements.

[Blue Demon]

So the fact that you requite to be a huge roid monster to be in the main event? Insert previous list here of wrestlers who were in the main event that weren't. It might be a bit naive of me to say they it's whoever draws money and puts butts in seats that determines whoever gets to be in the main event. That being said, I'm not gonna sit here and deny that Lashley and Batman look a little roided. Is it the wriong thing to do right now? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'm not a so called "expert" in wrestling, nor do I know what it necessarily takes to run a multi-million dollar company. Perhaps we need to go back to the days of the 60's and 70's when we had guys wore black trunks?

[Kane Knight]

Point to whee I said huge roid monster.

You're not stupid. You know I didn't say that.

You also know that steroids don't immediately require you to be a huge roid monster. The fact is, you even see a huge amount of tone from Cruisers like Mysterio, and almost cruisers like Matt Hary, who has changed definition a lot. Edge did steroids, and while he was stacked, he was never a huge 'roid monster, and that's one that was admitted. Benoit was never a monster, but he bulked up a lot fast and became pretty stacked.

Don't play stupid. You know better. You know a lot better.

And yes, it is the WRONG thing to do in a publically traded company in the midst of a steroid concern, especially when it amounts to defrauding your investors.

[Kane Knight]

And I don't know if you're aware of this, but if the WWE is turning a blind eye to drug and steroid abuse in WWE, after making claims to the contrary, it does come down to a fucking felony offense.

Now, I can't even imagine an argument for why that's not wrong.

[Blue Demon]

Yes...I can't argue that point. But in some senses who are we to say that the drug policy is a fraud until we have proof that is the case? Maybe they DO have the same policy as other sports, yet people might be able to find a way around it. If they are turning a blind eye then sure, bring on the charges.

[Rob]

JamesSteele - WWE shill. Fact.

[James Steele]

Rob - WWE basher. Fact.

[YOUR Hero]

Why does the WWE or pro wrestling push the biggest guys?

Because it's what sells.

Who does it sell to?

The people that watch.

Now some of the people that watch are crying foul, calling for changes. Hypocrisy. Reminds me of a type of person that says they hate Wal*Mart for all it's shady business practices, yet still shop there because the prices are lower.

Pro wrestling gives it's audience what it wants. There is some responsibility to be pointed at the fans if finger pointing is going to be the flavour of the day.

[McLegend]

Well see I would never know if smaller guys can sell in WWE or pro wrestling, because for the most part they aren't ever given a chance to.

Also I didn't really see any crowds calling for a Bobby Lashley push to the main event.

I think more often then not pro wrestling tries to tell the fans what they want. I think that's been a major complaint towards the WWE... Especially in recent years.

[Rob]

Why does the WWE or pro wrestling push the biggest guys?

Because it's what sells.

Who does it sell to?

The people that watch.


Steve Austin is the biggest draw in the wrestling business and he isn't a "big guy".

[KingofOldSchool]

Steve Austin is the biggest draw in the wrestling business and he isn't a "big guy".

Don't forget The Rock

[Blue Demon]

http://www.pwbts.com/messages/10650.htm

Well it appears that Benoit had roids in his system.

[James Steele]

They aren't exactly scrawny midgets, but I see your point. Those are 2 guys out of how many "big draws" in the history of wrestling.

[Loose Cannon]

You know, just thought of something. I love how Kennedy talks about guys snorting coke and taking pills in the 80s, but then bitches out Mero saying stuff because he hasn't been in the business for five years and is not in a WWE lockeroom today. Um Ken, were you wrestling for the WWF in the 80's?

[Theo Dious]

Steve Austin is the biggest draw in the wrestling business and he isn't a "big guy".

Don't forget The Rock

If you divide all wrestlers into "big guys" and "little guys," Austin and the Rock are definitely "big guys."

[Theo Dious]

You know, just thought of something. I love how Kennedy talks about guys snorting coke and taking pills in the 80s, but then bitches out Mero saying stuff because he hasn't been in the business for five years and is not in a WWE lockeroom today. Um Ken, were you wrestling for the WWF in the 80's?

Umm, dozens of guys who worked for the WWF in the 80's have come out and admitted doing pills and coke in the 80s. Not really the same.

[KingofOldSchool]

If you divide all wrestlers into "big guys" and "little guys," Austin and the Rock are definitely "big guys."

No, they are an in-between.

Big guys would be guys like Lashley, Lesnar, Scott Steiner, and circa 2003 Triple H.

[KingofOldSchool]

Umm, dozens of guys who worked for the WWF in the 80's have come out and admitted doing pills and coke in the 80s. Not really the same.

No, it is kinda the same.

Kennedy wasn't wrestling for WWE in the 80's, yet he's talking like he was in the lockerroom back then. However, when someone like Marc Mero talks about drug use backstage in today's WWE, Kennedy gets on to him for "not being around the company in 5 years (will more like 7 or so)."

Of course we all know there is a drug problem in today's WWE as well. I don't think LC was denying that drugs were rampant in the 80's, he was simply pointing out the fact that Kennedy was bashing Mero for the same thing he was doing.

[Loose Cannon]

If you divide all wrestlers into "big guys" and "little guys," Austin and the Rock are definitely "big guys."

wow. seriously, just stop. go rep BDC or something

And Koos saved me a reply to your reply on my post.

[Theo Dious]

There's so much love in here. :kiss:

[Theo Dious]

No, it is kinda the same.

Kennedy wasn't wrestling for WWE in the 80's, yet he's talking like he was in the lockerroom back then. However, when someone like Marc Mero talks about drug use backstage in today's WWE, Kennedy gets on to him for "not being around the company in 5 years (will more like 7 or so)."

Of course we all know there is a drug problem in today's WWE as well. I don't think LC was denying that drugs were rampant in the 80's, he was simply pointing out the fact that Kennedy was bashing Mero for the same thing he was doing.

They aren't doing the same thing. Kennedy is referring to something that happened in the past as confirmed by quite a few guys who were there at the time, things that aren't in dispute. Mero is talking about what is happening right now and giving no reference for it (if he has done so, point me to it and I'll retract.)

[Theo Dious]

Just to be perfectly clear: if Mero has current WWE contacts who are saying this, then yeah, they are doing the same thing. But I haven't heard him say anything along the lines of "I know guys in WWE today who tell me this" (and even if he did, I'd like some names.) I'm surprised we don't even have a bunch of TNA guys coming out to slander WWE over this, they seem to do it so well otherwise.

[Kane Knight]

Umm, dozens of guys who worked for the WWF in the 80's have come out and admitted doing pills and coke in the 80s. Not really the same.And there have been no admissions to drug use in the last 5 years?

[Theo Dious]

And there have been no admissions to drug use in the last 5 years?

I don't think anyone is saying that, I think there is a challenge being made to Mero's "OMG EVERYONES IS ON TEH DRUGS ALL THE TIMEZ WE NEEDS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE" spiel.

[Loose Cannon]

Kennedy got on Mero's case for not being in a WWE lockeroom today, so he should not talk.

Kennedy is talking about guys in the 80's as if he were there.

It's common knowledge drugs, drinking, pills go on today and have went on back then. If you don't believe this, you have your head under a rock.

[Kane Knight]

I don't think anyone is saying that, I think there is a challenge being made to Mero's "OMG EVERYONES IS ON TEH DRUGS ALL THE TIMEZ WE NEEDS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE" spiel.

Except it's widely admitted that drugs are widespread backstage. Everyone ignores it, because while they seem to hate WWE, they seem unable to COMPREHEND the notion that WWE isn't looking out for the best interests of its wrestlers....But it's there.

[Theo Dious]

Kennedy got on Mero's case for not being in a WWE lockeroom today, so he should not talk.

Kennedy is talking about guys in the 80's as if he were there.

It's common knowledge drugs, drinking, pills go on today and have went on back then. If you don't believe this, you have your head under a rock.

Yeah, I'm saying none of that goes on today.

Even after Eddie Gurrerro and several others because of them, Angle lost his mind and went to TNA amidst a cloud of them, Benoit was found to be using them, several people have been wrist-slapped for violating a joke of a drug policy, and a WWE champion had the belt taken off him for doing drugs. I'm just a big ol' ostrich.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, I'm saying none of that goes on today.

well at least you're admitting your ignorance. I'll give you that.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I'm saying none of that goes on today.

Even after Eddie Gurrerro and several others because of them, Angle lost his mind and went to TNA amidst a cloud of them, Benoit was found to be using them, several people have been wrist-slapped for violating a joke of a drug policy, and a WWE champion had the belt taken off him for doing drugs. I'm just a big ol' ostrich.

And thank you for proving the opposition's point.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah, I'm saying none of that goes on today.

Even after Eddie Gurrerro and several others because of them, Angle lost his mind and went to TNA amidst a cloud of them, Benoit was found to be using them, several people have been wrist-slapped for violating a joke of a drug policy, and a WWE champion had the belt taken off him for doing drugs. I'm just a big ol' ostrich.

Actually RVD had the belt taken off of him because he was CAUGHT BY THE POLICE doing them.

I mean if anyone backstage in WWE did NOT know that RVD was a pothead BEFORE that incident, well then they are even dumber than I thought.

[KingofOldSchool]

Just to be perfectly clear: if Mero has current WWE contacts who are saying this, then yeah, they are doing the same thing. But I haven't heard him say anything along the lines of "I know guys in WWE today who tell me this" (and even if he did, I'd like some names.) I'm surprised we don't even have a bunch of TNA guys coming out to slander WWE over this, they seem to do it so well otherwise.

So if Mero says "I know guys in WWE who tell me this" then that makes him a credible source? And on top of that you'd expect him to drop names just like that?

GIMME A BREAK.

[Loose Cannon]

I have a feeling I'll be referencing that quote a lot in the coming months.

Yeah, I'm saying none of that goes on today.

[Kane Knight]

Actually RVD had the belt taken off of him because he was CAUGHT BY THE POLICE doing them.

I mean if anyone backstage in WWE did NOT know that RVD was a pothead BEFORE that incident, well then they are even dumber than I thought.

That's one of the things that bugs me about WWE's response to Benoit. Their argument is "He must have just started because we give out drug tests and if he was still with the company, it means he passed!"

A line which Kennedy and Cena have toed.

But what about RVD? And Sabu. You gonna tell me they both passed and suddenly decided to smoke up? Fuck that.

But, he will be fellated, because he is MISTERRRRRRRR...


...Go fuck yourself.

[Theo Dious]

So if Mero says "I know guys in WWE who tell me this" then that makes him a credible source? And on top of that you'd expect him to drop names just like that?

GIMME A BREAK.

So yeah, the man has no sources. Kennedy could list a ton of names that have come out and talked about the rampant coke-and-pill culture that went on in the 80s. Mero has nothing.

[Theo Dious]

I have a feeling I'll be referencing that quote a lot in the coming months.

So you actually teach "Out of Context 101" then?

[Loose Cannon]

he seems to be not paying attention to our recent examples. do you have selective eye sight?

[KingofOldSchool]

So yeah, the man has no sources. Kennedy could list a ton of names that have come out and talked about the rampant coke-and-pill culture that went on in the 80s. Mero has nothing.

Kurt Angle.
Chris Benoit.
Randy Orton.
Joey Mercury.
Eddie Guerrero.
Rey Mysterio.
X-Pac.
Grandmaster Sexay.

Those are guys off the top of my head that have had problems with some kind of drug (painkillers, weed, cocaine, steroids, etc.). I know there are shitloads more that have had those kind of problems within the last 7 years.

[KingofOldSchool]

That's one of the things that bugs me about WWE's response to Benoit. Their argument is "He must have just started because we give out drug tests and if he was still with the company, it means he passed!"

A line which Kennedy and Cena have toed.

But what about RVD? And Sabu. You gonna tell me they both passed and suddenly decided to smoke up? Fuck that.

But, he will be fellated, because he is MISTERRRRRRRR...


...Go fuck yourself.

OMG KENNEDY IS THE MAN!111! HE JUST CALLED ME A STUPID JEW ASS NIGGER, RAPED MY MOM, DEFLOWERED MY SISTER, AND THEN LIED ABOUT WWE'S DRUG POLICY.

BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE'S, MIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTEEERRRRRRR

DOOOOUUUUCCCHEEEBBBAAAAAAAG!

[Theo Dious]

Kurt Angle.
Chris Benoit.
Randy Orton.
Joey Mercury.
Eddie Guerrero.
Rey Mysterio.
X-Pac.
Grandmaster Sexay.

Those are guys off the top of my head that have had problems with some kind of drug (painkillers, weed, cocaine, steroids, etc.). I know there are shitloads more that have had those kind of problems within the last 7 years.

You should probably add Scott Hall to that list. The idea that people seem to think I don't think there are drugs in WWE is freaking retarded. All I was alluding to was the validity of someone commenting based on facts that have been known and testified to for two decades vs that of someone speculating on what EVERYONE is doing at this very moment.

[Theo Dious]

Oh you also forgot about Masters. And Test.

[KingofOldSchool]

You should probably add Scott Hall to that list. The idea that people seem to think I don't think there are drugs in WWE is freaking retarded. All I was alluding to was the validity of someone commenting based on facts that have been known and testified to for two decades vs that of someone speculating on what EVERYONE is doing at this very moment.

So you're basically contradicting yourself?

[Loose Cannon]

You should probably add Scott Hall to that list. The idea that people seem to think I don't think there are drugs in WWE is freaking retarded. All I was alluding to was the validity of someone commenting based on facts that have been known and testified to for two decades vs that of someone speculating on what EVERYONE is doing at this very moment.

IT'S kind of hard for anyone to know what is going on at this very moment. are you retarted? Can we at least say 1-2 years ago is current? jesus christ.

[Theo Dious]

I also eat kitten. It's delicious.

[Loose Cannon]

Dark Kane award for forum Douche of 2007: DarthTedious

[Theo Dious]

IT'S kind of hard for anyone to know what is going on at this very moment. are you retarted? Can we at least say 1-2 years ago is current? jesus christ.

Yeah, it's hard to know for sure what is going on at the moment.

It's easier to know what went on 20-30 years ago.

Which has been my whole point for the past hour.

[Theo Dious]

Dark Kane award for forum Douche of 2007: DarthTedious

It's an honor just to be nominated. :love:

[Kane Knight]

So if Mero says "I know guys in WWE who tell me this" then that makes him a credible source? And on top of that you'd expect him to drop names just like that?

GIMME A BREAK.

And it's not like Keneddy dropped names.

[Loose Cannon]

wtf? why would you even comment on what is going on exactly right now? nobody is Professor X here.

We have current vs past. current, by my watch, is at least 5 years ago till now. I'll even take 1-2 years ago if I had to. Current wrestlers have all benn caught, admited, whatever..to taking drugs, pills etc... Same with past superstars.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah, it's hard to know for sure what is going on at the moment.

It's easier to know what went on 20-30 years ago.

Which has been my whole point for the past hour.

So it's okay to talk about it as long as it doesn't involve current WWE wrestlers?

[Kane Knight]

Kurt Angle.
Chris Benoit.
Randy Orton.
Joey Mercury.
Eddie Guerrero.
Rey Mysterio.
X-Pac.
Grandmaster Sexay.

Those are guys off the top of my head that have had problems with some kind of drug (painkillers, weed, cocaine, steroids, etc.). I know there are shitloads more that have had those kind of problems within the last 7 years.

Sabu.
RVD.
Road Dogg
K-Kwik.
Scot Hall.
Test.
Masters.

Oh, and Edge got his steroids scrip from the same guy who was giving out bogus scrips to MLB players.

People downplay that because Edge, like Kennedy, is an abusive douchebag, and thefore, the man.

[Kane Knight]

OMG KENNEDY IS THE MAN!111! HE JUST CALLED ME A STUPID JEW ASS NIGGER, RAPED MY MOM, DEFLOWERED MY SISTER, AND THEN LIED ABOUT WWE'S DRUG POLICY.

BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE'S, MIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTEEERRRRRRR

DOOOOUUUUCCCHEEEBBBAAAAAAAG!

The more abusive towards the smarks you are, the more the man you are.

[Theo Dious]

So it's okay to talk about it as long as it doesn't involve current WWE wrestlers?

I'd really like to see some non-current guys who don't fall into the "chip-on-shoulder," "bat-shit-insane," or "keeping-the-door-open-for-a-return categories say a thing or two. So far I haven't seen anyone like that make a comment on this.

[KingofOldSchool]

wtf? why would you even comment on what is going on exactly right now? nobody is Professor X here.

We have current vs past. current, by my watch, is at least 5 years ago till now. I'll even take 1-2 years ago if I had to. Current wrestlers have all benn caught, admited, whatever..to taking drugs, pills etc... Same with past superstars.

Yeah even Kurt Angle named a laundry list of pills he was taking, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

Now if he's still doing it, only he knows (well possibly).

[KingofOldSchool]

I'd really like to see some non-current guys who don't fall into the "chip-on-shoulder," "bat-shit-insane," or "keeping-the-door-open-for-a-return categories say a thing or two. So far I haven't seen anyone like that make a comment on this.

So who would that be?

Pro wrestlers not employed by WWE usually have one of those three, if not ALL three of those same traits.

[Theo Dious]

So who would that be?

Pro wrestlers not employed by WWE usually have one of those three, if not ALL three of those same traits.

Which, really, is the problem. To me, Jericho is on the best footing there, but even he may be toning it down to keep in the good graces of the company.

[Theo Dious]

Sabu.
RVD.
Road Dogg
K-Kwik.
Scot Hall.
Test.
Masters.


How do we all keep forgetting about Steiner?

[Kane Knight]

Yeah even Kurt Angle named a laundry list of pills he was taking, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

Now if he's still doing it, only he knows (well possibly).

While on WWE's roster.

[Kane Knight]

So who would that be?

Pro wrestlers not employed by WWE usually have one of those three, if not ALL three of those same traits.

Many of them have those traits in WWE, too.

[KingofOldSchool]

The more abusive towards the smarks you are, the more the man you are.

Just think about what would happen if Kennedy actually did all of the stuff.

The fans boys would be rushing to have sex with their moms and sisters just so they could say they had sex with Kennedy by proxy.

[KingofOldSchool]

Many of them have those traits in WWE, too.

Well that goes without saying.

[Kane Knight]

Just think about what would happen if Kennedy actually did all of the stuff.

The fans boys would be rushing to have sex with their moms and sisters just so they could say they had sex with Kennedy by proxy.

They'd probably hit the money shot while screaming "MISTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..."

Seriously, it seems to be the trend. Tell them what they want to hear, and they will defend you rabidly.

And these are supposed to be the "Smart" marks?

"There's no rampant drug abuse. Sure, you can name over a dozen off the top of your head, but that doesn't mean there's rampant drug abuse! Stupid Mero for addressing the elephant in the room. Kennedy was abusive and therefore awesome, and he told me what I need to hear."

[Theo Dious]

Pretty much the most credible voice to have spoken on this, that is neither on the roster nor an incurable sufferer of those three traits, was Bret Hart, and he really had the most level-headed opinion on it of anyone that I've seen interviewed.

[Kane Knight]

Well that goes without saying.

It bears pointing out.

If John Cena were, Heaven forbid, FIRED, and spoke freely on the issue, he would be immediately considered bitter, and having a chip on his shoulder.

And he's not even one of the jackasses who is best known for his attitude.

It's a convenient way to dismiss anyone who speaks against WWE. And I know stupid people will say "Well, you're dismissing Keneddy and Cena for being company boys." Which is true. Then again, they're both LYING. And that's clear as crystal. Cena's saying that Benoit wasn't on steroids. That's false. Kennedy's saying the drug program works. It doesn't, and when your own lawyers know less about it than the bitter ex workers...

[KingofOldSchool]

They'd probably hit the money shot while screaming "MISTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..."

Seriously, it seems to be the trend. Tell them what they want to hear, and they will defend you rabidly.

And these are supposed to be the "Smart" marks?

"There's no rampant drug abuse. Sure, you can name over a dozen off the top of your head, but that doesn't mean there's rampant drug abuse! Stupid Mero for addressing the elephant in the room. Kennedy was abusive and therefore awesome, and he told me what I need to hear."

Kind've reminds me of the relationship Butters has with his parents on South Park.

*parents ground Butters for brushing his teeth*

Butters: Buuutttt...I thought you told me to brush my teeth.

Parents: No Butters we said to brush your teeth AFTER you eat, not BEFORE! GO TO YOUR ROOM!

Butters: Awww heck. Okay.

*Butters goes to his room*

*45 minutes laters the parents go up and check on him*

Parents: Butters, you need to understand that what we did was for your own good.

Butters: Yes, ma'am. I understand, sir. You did what you had to do for my own good. Next time I need to check with you before I do anything that foolish.

Parents: ...Well as long as you know.

[Kane Knight]

Sounds about it.

Though when I think Butters, I think Dresden Files, and "POLKA WILL NEVER DIE!"

[McLegend]

Ken Kennedy's crediblity went out the window when he said Eddie Guerrero didn't do drugs or steriods in the WWE.

[Kane Knight]

Ken Kennedy's crediblity went out the window when he said Eddie Guerrero didn't do drugs or steriods in the WWE.

STFU. Have you ever been in a WWE locker room?

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