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KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Preview:Major announcement from Chairman
August 20, 2007

The mystery over the identity of the WWE Superstar who is Mr. McMahon’s illegitimate child continues as Raw heads into North Carolina’s Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville. Nothing was solved as Jonathan Coachman appeared unable to get to the bottom of the mystery on Saturday Night’s Main Event. However, on Monday night, the Chairman will announce that he has learned the sex of his illegitimate child. Is Mr. McMahon's illegitimate child a male or a Diva?

Also, with their showdown over the WWE Championship at SummerSlam less than a week away, it is clear that Randy Orton will do anything to weaken John Cena. The Legend Killer sent Cena and all WWE a message when he attacked The Champ from behind on Saturday Night’s Main Event and flattened him with a thunderous RKO on a steel chair. What is Cena’s condition going into Raw, with SummerSlam less than a week away? And will Orton send the WWE Champion yet another painful message?

Also, with the matchup for kingly supremacy announced, how will King Booker prepare to face the returning 10-time World Champion, Triple H, at SummerSlam? Can Booker and Queen Sharmell scheme a way to hold onto their royal Raw kingdom?

Finally, with the big Dating Game date between Ron Simmons and Maria scheduled, will the jealous Santino Marella find a way to throw an Italian-sized kink in the game-show machinations of Raw General Manager William Regal?

We’ll find out Monday night in the Tarheel State, live at 9/8 CT on USA Network.

Xero
08-20-2007, 08:36 PM
"All My McMahons" would have been better...

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 08:37 PM
They're gonna say whose his "son" at summerslam right?

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 08:39 PM
"All My McMahons" would have been better...

Winner.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 08:50 PM
Evenin fellas.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 08:52 PM
Tazz doin Raw? hm.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 08:52 PM
Evening everyone.

Tazz got Lawler's spot tonight. Might be a decent show.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:52 PM
They should've gotten JBL.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Seeing Cena getting RKOed is always entertaining.

Londoner
08-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Lets see how long it is before i fall asleep tonight, though Orton starting Raw is a good start.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 08:55 PM
One can only hope, Randy.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:55 PM
The kids and preteen girls are out in full force tonight.

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 08:55 PM
They should've gotten JBL.
That would be great.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 08:56 PM
Orton saying Cena isn't 100%....fuck Cena will overcome the odds now

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 08:56 PM
"If you're not out here by the count of five, you forfeit!!!!!!!111"

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:57 PM
Orton is Vince's son!

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 08:57 PM
MR KENNEDY

Innovator
08-20-2007, 08:57 PM
Vince saying the WWE Title match isn't important...bazing

Londoner
08-20-2007, 08:57 PM
Oh look its Vincent KENNEDY Mcmahon........










KEN...Er..MCMAHON!

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 08:58 PM
Vince saying the WWE Title match isn't important...bazing

But, this is Raw and John Cena is on Raw.

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 08:58 PM
rofl

Someone that really doesn't care about money. :D

Innovator
08-20-2007, 08:59 PM
This crowd sucks

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:00 PM
OH GOD OH GOD ITS JOHN CENA!
WE SHOULD ALL BE INTIMIDATED

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Great. He's here.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:00 PM
But, this is Raw and John Cena is on Raw.He said it, not me

I remember the last time Orton and Vince were in the ring, Vince made fun of him for being small

Londoner
08-20-2007, 09:01 PM
Oh its SuperCunt.


No not Boone, Cena.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:01 PM
OH GOD OH GOD ITS JOHN CENA!
WE SHOULD ALL BE INTIMIDATEDHe's harmless

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:03 PM
This crowd smells.

Londoner
08-20-2007, 09:03 PM
Of Cena fans.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:04 PM
:rofl:

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:04 PM
hahaha...

"I could very well have...done your mom."

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:04 PM
Vince has better class than Cena's mom.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:04 PM
I could have done your mom lol

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Build up for Snisky lol oh geez.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Snitsky.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:05 PM
:rolleyes: @ Snitsky being "undefeated"

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:05 PM
Match of the Year.

Oh and Cena looks fine to me.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:06 PM
Mickie jobs again.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Candice/Mickie vs. Beth/Melina. What's this. Round 4?

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Yeah Snitsky is undefeated, his 8 month stint on Heat says otherwise

Londoner
08-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Well, looks like Snitsky wont be undefeated anymore after tonight. Unless Orton interferes or somehting.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Awesome Mickie on TV

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:08 PM
That opening segment just didn't work, sounded like everyone was reading off cards

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:08 PM
Well, looks like Snitsky wont be undefeated anymore after tonight. Unless Orton interferes or somehting.

Cena's gotta lose tonight so he can overcome the odds on Sunday.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Please God,

Don't let Mickie Job again. I beg you. Look how hot she is and she can actually wrestle. think about this. Thanks.

Your friend,

Corndad

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:11 PM
Hey she used to be a face and was injured on her first match like 60 years ago

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:11 PM
3/4 of the girls in this match can work...best ratio yet

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:11 PM
We should be seeing Mickie vs. Beth for the Women's title.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:11 PM
What the hell is this music.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:11 PM
WTF is this techno shit?

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
Candice's music got tweaked.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
God techno? let it stop

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
Candice is champion?! Where the fuck was I when this happend..

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
REGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
REGAL!

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
3/4 of the girls in this match can work...best ratio yet

Who is the 1/4?

WOOO Regal

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:12 PM
YEAH! REGAL IN THE HOUSE!

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:13 PM
Candice's music got tweaked.

It went from shit, to that wet poo that you get after eating White Castle.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:13 PM
Awesome, now I have two bathroom breaks at Summerslam

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
3/4 of the girls in this match can work...best ratio yet

yea and who would have thunk the other one is the champ.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
TULLY BLANCHARD :LOVE:

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
Who is the 1/4?

WOOO RegalThe champion

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
Mickie wearing work boots. She trying to make a point to Kenny or something?

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
GAY

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
that was a nice pin actually. wow.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:14 PM
Lol Candice put her whore skills to win

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:15 PM
Shit, that was quick.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:15 PM
MICKIE!!!!!! YES!!!! MICKIE!!!

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:15 PM
The champion

Good choice

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Oh shit. I thought that was a Heel turn.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
ROFL Umaga on the Cabana

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumaga

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
LOL! Umaga is the guest on the cabana tonight. That should be good.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Oh and judging by last week, Jillian is winning the battle royal.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
Umanga

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:19 PM
Probably gonna announce Carlito vs. Umaga for Summerslam

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:20 PM
Now that he's face, I want to hear a "Umaga is gonna kill you" chant

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:20 PM
Ron Simmons for the win.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:20 PM
Now that he's face, I want to hear a "Umaga is gonna kill you" chant

"Manga's Gonna Kill You!"

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:20 PM
Its getting annoying how they rhyme everything with Damn..

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:21 PM
LOL Homewrecker

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:21 PM
I like how Regal isn't acting too heelish as GM.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
SUMMERSLAM GAMES

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
HHH there tonight? No way they hold off on it at the Garden and do it here

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Triple H. Here tonight. Probably a swerve.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:23 PM
King Book-ah is going to bring out an ape.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:23 PM
probably one of their midgets.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:23 PM
If HHH is his son this will be the MOST FUCKED UP ANGLE I have seen yet

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:23 PM
LOL Val

Alenoid just got a boner

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:23 PM
ROFL

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:24 PM
probably one of their midgets.

So Rey Mysterio?

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:24 PM
LOL Vince McTurban

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:24 PM
Lol no davari's mom is a good muslim!! a good muslim!!!!

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:24 PM
please let it be Davari lol

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:25 PM
There he is.

Corndad
08-20-2007, 09:25 PM
I love all these teases they are doin with kennedy.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:25 PM
Uhhhh...?

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:25 PM
ding ding ding, theres the winner

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:26 PM
I hope they swerve us and not let it be One-Trick Kennedy

IC Champion
08-20-2007, 09:26 PM
Orton is terrible.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:29 PM
Cody is from North Carolina?

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:30 PM
This match has potential....

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:30 PM
Are they still doing the gay angle with Hass and Benjamin?

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:30 PM
Cody is from North Carolina?
Hey, Dusty's spent a lot of time there. (and I noticed that since they first started introducing him)

Jura
08-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Cody's actually getting pops and cheers tonight.

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Are they still doing the gay angle with Hass and Benjamin?
Angle?

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:33 PM
Lemme guess..Dusty's coming back to team with Cody against WGTT?

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:40 PM
Paul London has sumtin on his face

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:40 PM
Guess who's coming to job?

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:40 PM
London and Kendrick.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:43 PM
The guys were year long tag team champs, now jobbers on RAW

No way RAW is the A show

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:43 PM
Crap I thought crazy black men ran into the ring...

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:44 PM
I'll buy that for a dollar.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:44 PM
Botched pin

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:45 PM
Way to take the heat off of LK.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:45 PM
I'll buy that for a dollar.

Hey you could clone Trevor Murdoch with the DNA from his hat.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:48 PM
Wait a minute. Estrada on ECW. When the hell did this happen?

BigDaddyCool
08-20-2007, 09:50 PM
Just had a commersial for Smackdown/ECW Live coming to the Kansas City Sprint Center. Anyhow, my woman is taking me to see it. In your face all of you.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:50 PM
Wait a minute. Estrada on ECW. When the hell did this happen?

Last week.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:50 PM
Lol my head was turned and i thought regal came out to the ring

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:50 PM
ROFL at the date

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:51 PM
Bummer.

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:51 PM
YAM!

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:52 PM
:eek:! Hunter Hearst Helmsley!

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:52 PM
the joust at the Summerslam games

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:53 PM
LOL When was the last time someone called Triple H "Hunter Hearst Helmsley?"

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:53 PM
the joust at the Summerslam games

I can't wait for the long jump between Khali and Big Floppy V.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
HA HA HA!

I knew it.

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH @ DAIVARI!

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
wow triple h lost weight...

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
JASON SENSATION

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
Or...who is that?

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
ha.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
I'M NOT A NUGGET, DAMMIT!

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
JASON SENSATION
Is that him???

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
The off cycle is a bitch

McLegend
08-20-2007, 09:55 PM
lol tremendous

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:56 PM
Or not?

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:57 PM
Maybe King Booker got 1995 Hunter Hearst Helmsley for tonight.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 09:58 PM
Please let Taz choke him out for old time sake :'(

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:58 PM
James Ross

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:58 PM
I'd mark out if Tazz put the Tazzmission on Booker.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 09:58 PM
Bookah breaking the voice is the best thing on RAW

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 09:59 PM
Don't put BBQ Sauce on that ring or JR will eat it.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:00 PM
I felt bad for him like pushin and old man down the stairs its not right

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:00 PM
Doesn't creative remember Tazz being a badass?

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 10:03 PM
Doesn't creative remember Tazz being a badass?
Why should WWE creative remember this? WWE Tazz has been badass for a combined five minutes throughout his career, including the buildup to One Night Stand.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:05 PM
Doesn't creative remember Tazz being a badass?

Most of the creative team has never heard of ECW before One Night Stand.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:06 PM
Dammit Simmons. Just fucking kill him already.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:06 PM
Maria can think!

Londoner
08-20-2007, 10:07 PM
I doubt they even know tazz exists.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:07 PM
LOL

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:08 PM
They should bring back Slick to try and humanize Umaga.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:08 PM
Watch Umaga scare the crap out of us and speak proper english

Corndad
08-20-2007, 10:09 PM
yup. heres Umaga vs Carlito.

Loose Cannon
08-20-2007, 10:09 PM
I'll admit it, after pretty much putting Santino down week after week, the guy has won me over with his heel schtick. It's hillarious. His one liners are great.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:09 PM
Ugh

Corndad
08-20-2007, 10:09 PM
are they gonna add Kennedy to that?

Loose Cannon
08-20-2007, 10:10 PM
Ron, no hard feelings from last week when you a smash a my face. lol

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:11 PM
BOOOORRRRING

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:11 PM
If Umaga picked up a mic and spoke perfect English, I'd mark out

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
ROFL YES

Pepsi Man
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Markout moment for KoOs.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
roid rage hmm??

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
KoOS just became an Umaga mark

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Sweet.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
If Umaga picked up a mic and spoke perfect English, I'd mark out

Kennedy: KEEEEENNNEEEDDD....

Umaga: ...You suck.

McLegend
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Awsome super kick

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:13 PM
They should bring back Slick to try and humanize Umaga.I just wanna hear Jive Soul Bro again

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:13 PM
KoOS just became an Umaga mark

I was an Umaga mark before, now I :love: :heart: him.

Londoner
08-20-2007, 10:13 PM
LOL loved that segment, Umaga is betetr as a face.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:13 PM
NOW EAT REGAL TOO

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:14 PM
I just wanna hear Jive Soul Bro again

Umaga "The Samoan Dream"

Imagine Umaga dancing ala Akeem.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:15 PM
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Londoner
08-20-2007, 10:17 PM
I cant stand Regal on the mic, he's lost something, nowhere near as good as he used to be. Keeps saying 'Carlito' as "Calito'.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:17 PM
I hate commercials during matches..

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Hmmm lemme guess, Double DQ.

Make it a triple threat match.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Whats the main event??

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:24 PM
The difference between Kennedy's kick and Orton's shin?

Kennedy's looks better

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:25 PM
Zitsky vs. SuperCena

McLegend
08-20-2007, 10:25 PM
The ring post didn't move

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:26 PM
Oh ya thanks

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:28 PM
God this couldn't get any more boring.

McLegend
08-20-2007, 10:29 PM
Yeah this match is really bad

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:30 PM
Yeah this match is really bad

It's not bad, it's just boring.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:31 PM
Double pin, how clever.

McLegend
08-20-2007, 10:31 PM
It's not bad, it's just boring.
I would say it's both.

Did pick up a little at the end.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:31 PM
triple threat like what you said

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:32 PM
TRIPLE THREAT?!?!

Whodathunkit?

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:33 PM
Could have saved us alot of time with that, Regal.

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:33 PM
I would say it's both.

Did pick up a little at the end.

The finish was akward.

McLegend
08-20-2007, 10:35 PM
The finish was akward.
yeah it was.

I thought after Carlito did the clothsline that the match got a little better.

NeanderCarl
08-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Even Stevie Wonder saw that Triple Threat ruling coming 20 mins ago.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Can't be RAW without a HHH returns video

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:38 PM
lol waiter abuse

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:40 PM
Can't be RAW without a HHH returns video

Let's just hope whoever rebuilt him gave him better quads.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:40 PM
LOL, Tazz almost said Nitro

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:42 PM
He should do a Clearasil ad

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:42 PM
The only thing I know...is killing babies....


...and feet.




...I love feet.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:47 PM
Proactiv's newest celeb, Zitsky!

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:49 PM
Wow we waited all day for a squash match?

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:51 PM
I could sell better than Cena

Corndad
08-20-2007, 10:52 PM
just get to over coming the odds so this can be over.

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:54 PM
Come on. Wrap this up so Orton can come on down.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:54 PM
RKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:54 PM
YES!

Now I just lost interest in Summerslam.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:55 PM
GO FOR 3

KingofOldSchool
08-20-2007, 10:55 PM
Guess who is retaining at Summerslam?

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:55 PM
DONT CONCUSS HIM! HED WIN THEN!

Corndad
08-20-2007, 10:55 PM
Well looks like I can write in Cena FU for Tipsters.

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:56 PM
Crap, if cena wins on sunday i'm just gonna stop watching

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:56 PM
Wow now what

ClockShot
08-20-2007, 10:56 PM
Bummer.

Well. Have a good night everyone.

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 10:58 PM
Last Raw before summer vacation ends and it sucks

Innovator
08-20-2007, 10:59 PM
Last Raw before summer vacation ends and it sucksWhen was it good?

Crossrine
08-20-2007, 11:02 PM
I can only rep u so much damn it!

Mr. JL
08-20-2007, 11:39 PM
I thought Raw was terrible. Just terrible.

SammyG
08-21-2007, 01:25 AM
lmao, Regal is amazing. Kennedy better win the IC title. And Cena better retain his belt.

FourFifty
08-21-2007, 02:34 AM
Last Raw before summer vacation ends and it sucks

Look at the bright side- at least Mr. Peanut isn't getting married on your birthday.

Xerzes
08-21-2007, 05:06 AM
How many weeks in a row can Cade and Murdoch lose before they stop being tag champs?

Dave Youell
08-21-2007, 05:26 AM
I hope that they are throwing a curve ball here and having Orton still go over, the last time I remember that happening was when Eddie got the upper hand on Brock the show before No Way Out, so it has happened before

Johnny Vegas
08-21-2007, 12:18 PM
Let me just say that as a North Carolinian, i apologize to whoever watched RAW last night. The crowd was fucking dead and i seriously felt like they should never have another show in NC except for Greensboro, Raleigh, and Charlotte.

DAMN iNATOR
08-21-2007, 12:22 PM
The 2 most obvious SummerSlam spoilers (aside from the predictable “WWE Championship ‘Match’ ”):

Triple H wins

and

Rey also wins.

parkmania
08-24-2007, 01:16 AM
I still say bring back Kimchee to manage Youmanga. Wasn't that Mean Gene in the suit originally?