Here is something I just don't get

[BigDaddyCool]

Why does on screen/story line management hate John Cena? I mean I could understand Coach doesn't like him because Coach has been there since Bischoff. And Bischoff hated Cena, and since Coach was Bischoffs assistant, Coach could still not like Cena for any other reason than that. But what about McMahon? There isn't much reason for them to be hostile towards each other.

[Kane Knight]

You wasted logic on that?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cena slapped McMahon across the face last week.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, I'm not so sure the characters really hate Cena. They've just seen him go through so much that they're trying to think of creative ways to dethrone him...I guess....I dunno...

[Jordan]

Since Austin/McMahon, Vince hates the guy that makes him the most money I guess.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Also, I'm not so sure the characters really hate Cena. They've just seen him go through so much that they're trying to think of creative ways to dethrone him...I guess....I dunno...

Speaking of which, I've just painstakingly compiled stats about Cena's combined title reigns, and there's some interesting stuff to note:

• His first title reign lasted 280 days, from April 3rd, 2005 (Won at WrestleMania 21 from J.B.L.) to January 8th, 2006 (Lost at New Year’s Revolution to Edge).

• Between his first and second title reigns the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his belt was 21 days (3 weeks exactly.)

• His second title reign lasted just 133 days, from January 29th, 2006 (Won at Royal Rumble 2006 from Edge) to June 11th, 2006 (Lost to Rob Van Dam at ECW One Night Stand 2006).

• Between his second, and currently, third title reigns, the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his waist was 119 days (17 weeks, or 4¾ months exactly.)

• So far, in his current run with the title, John Cena has, as of today, held the WWE Championship for 344 days

• If Cena survives his WWE Unforgiven match next month, and makes it the next hour and 15 minutes or so until the following day (September 17th), it will be Cena's 1 year anniversary with the WWE Championship (boo!)

• As of today, John Cena has held the WWE Championship for the past 757 out of 861 days, or roughly 88% of the last 2 years, 4 months, 1 week and 4 days. Edge held it for 97 of those 861 days, or roughly 9-11% of that time period, and Rob Van Dam held it for an all-too-brief 22 of the past 861 days, or roughly 2-4% of that time period.

Hope you found that insightful.

[BigDaddyCool]

Speaking of which, I've just painstakingly compiled stats about Cena's combined title reigns, and there's some interesting stuff to note:

• His first title reign lasted 280 days, from April 3rd, 2005 (Won at WrestleMania 21 from J.B.L.) to January 8th, 2006 (Lost at New Year’s Revolution to Edge).

• Between his first and second title reigns the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his belt was 21 days (3 weeks exactly.)

• His second title reign lasted just 133 days, from January 29th, 2006 (Won at Royal Rumble 2006 from Edge) to June 11th, 2006 (Lost to Rob Van Dam at ECW One Night Stand 2006).

• Between his second, and currently, third title reigns, the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his waist was 119 days (17 weeks, or 4¾ months exactly.)

• So far, in his current run with the title, John Cena has, as of today, held the WWE Championship for 344 days

• If Cena survives his WWE Unforgiven match next month, and makes it the next hour and 15 minutes or so until the following day (September 17th), it will be Cena's 1 year anniversary with the WWE Championship (boo!)

• As of today, John Cena has held the WWE Championship for the past 757 out of 861 days, or roughly 88% of the last 2 years, 4 months, 1 week and 4 days. Edge held it for 97 of those 861 days, or roughly 9-11% of that time period, and Rob Van Dam held it for an all-too-brief 22 of the past 861 days, or roughly 2-4% of that time period.

Hope you found that insightful.

That is interesting.

[The Show Off]

Speaking of which, I've just painstakingly compiled stats about Cena's combined title reigns, and there's some interesting stuff to note:

• His first title reign lasted 280 days, from April 3rd, 2005 (Won at WrestleMania 21 from J.B.L.) to January 8th, 2006 (Lost at New Year’s Revolution to Edge).

• Between his first and second title reigns the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his belt was 21 days (3 weeks exactly.)

• His second title reign lasted just 133 days, from January 29th, 2006 (Won at Royal Rumble 2006 from Edge) to June 11th, 2006 (Lost to Rob Van Dam at ECW One Night Stand 2006).

• Between his second, and currently, third title reigns, the amount of time Cena spent without the gold around his waist was 119 days (17 weeks, or 4¾ months exactly.)

• So far, in his current run with the title, John Cena has, as of today, held the WWE Championship for 344 days

• If Cena survives his WWE Unforgiven match next month, and makes it the next hour and 15 minutes or so until the following day (September 17th), it will be Cena's 1 year anniversary with the WWE Championship (boo!)

• As of today, John Cena has held the WWE Championship for the past 757 out of 861 days, or roughly 88% of the last 2 years, 4 months, 1 week and 4 days. Edge held it for 97 of those 861 days, or roughly 9-11% of that time period, and Rob Van Dam held it for an all-too-brief 22 of the past 861 days, or roughly 2-4% of that time period.

Hope you found that insightful.

I already knew all of that, but thanks for actually breaking it down... here's some more stats...

The only people in WWF/WWE history that have held the WWE Championship longer combined time then John Cena, are...

Bruno Sammartino, 4040 days
Hulk Hogan, 2185 days
Bob Backlund, 2132 days
Pedro Morales, 1027 days...

He's held the WWE Championship longer then...

Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, Edge, Sycho Sid, The Big Show, Sgt, Slaughter, Mick Foley Buddy Rogers, The Iron Sheik, Rob Van Dam, Ivan Koloff, Stan Staziak, Antonio Inoki, Vince McMahon, Andre the Giant, and Kane COMBINED

or longer then...

Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, and The Undertaker COMBINED

or longer then...

Yokozuna and JBL COMBINED

or longer then...

The Ultimate Warrior and Superstar Bill Graham COMBINED

or longer then...

The Rock and Kurt Angle COMBINED

or longer then...

Kevin Nash and Brock Lesner COMBINED

or longer then...

Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Randy Savage, and Shawn Michaels EACH

[Jordan]

Cena is legend. In 10 years he will be treated like Hogan, kinda.

[BigDaddyCool]

Cena is legend. In 10 years he will be treated like Hogan, kinda.

He is treated like Hogan now.

[DAMN iNATOR]

He is treated like Hogan now.

And deservedly so. You can’t just have a career of the magnitude these guys have had, and come out proclaiming that you're the best thing to happen to professional wrestling since sliced bread. There's a difference between cockiness and confidence, and both these guys still haven't learned what it is yet.

[Stickman]

Cena sucks

[RGWhat316]

I already knew all of that, but thanks for actually breaking it down... here's some more stats...

The only people in WWF/WWE history that have held the WWE Championship longer combined time then John Cena, are...

Bruno Sammartino, 4040 days
Hulk Hogan, 2185 days
Bob Backlund, 2132 days
Pedro Morales, 1027 days...

He's held the WWE Championship longer then...

Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, Edge, Sycho Sid, The Big Show, Sgt, Slaughter, Mick Foley Buddy Rogers, The Iron Sheik, Rob Van Dam, Ivan Koloff, Stan Staziak, Antonio Inoki, Vince McMahon, Andre the Giant, and Kane COMBINED

or longer then...

Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, and The Undertaker COMBINED

or longer then...

Yokozuna and JBL COMBINED

or longer then...

The Ultimate Warrior and Superstar Bill Graham COMBINED

or longer then...

The Rock and Kurt Angle COMBINED

or longer then...

Kevin Nash and Brock Lesner COMBINED

or longer then...

Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Randy Savage, and Shawn Michaels EACH
That is unbelievable. Nearly everyone of those guys are better than Cena, and if they would have had any near as long title reigns, this could be a very different WWE.

[SammyG]

Wooo Cena

[IC Champion]

He is treated like Hogan now.
HAHAHAHA. Jordon is a fuckin idiot, he tries though.

[mrslackalack]

Nash lost the WWF Title a week before he reached a year didnt he?

[Kane Knight]

HAHAHAHA. Jordon is a fuckin idiot, he tries though.

He's more a total mark. Not so much an idiot as a fool.

[IC Champion]

He's more a total mark. Not so much an idiot as a fool.
Im confused, there's a difference?

[Jordan]

I don't really give a shit if you guys like Cena or not, but the fact remains he will go down as a legend. Call me a fool or a mark, whatever I like what I want to like. Cena is a solid wrestler who consistantly puts on the best matches on the show, if you say im wrong, well how about you look at every ppv he has main evented in the last nine months and prove me wrong.

Rumble 07 vs Umaga - best match aside from the Rumble possibly
NYR vs Umaga - again, best match
No Way Out w/HBK vs Batista and Taker best match
WM vs HBK best match
and so on and so on...

And its Jordan, retard.

[IC Champion]

I don't really give a shit if you guys like Cena or not, but the fact remains he will go down as a legend. Call me a fool or a mark, whatever I like what I want to like. Cena is a solid wrestler who consistantly puts on the best matches on the show, if you say im wrong, well how about you look at every ppv he has main evented in the last nine months and prove me wrong.

Rumble 07 vs Umaga - best match aside from the Rumble possibly
NYR vs Umaga - again, best match
No Way Out w/HBK vs Batista and Taker best match
WM vs HBK best match
and so on and so on...

And its Jordan, retard.

And for every good matche he does wrestle, we're subjected to weeks of sub par matches, and the decent match he does wrestle, is hardly becuase of him.

[Kane Knight]

And for every good matche he does wrestle, we're subjected to weeks of sub par matches, and the decent match he does wrestle, is hardly becuase of him.

And when you're being carried by Umanga...:rofl:

[Anybody Thrilla]

You can say Cena doesn't have anything to do with his good matches, but if you look at all of the different people he has had good matches with, you have to figure that he's doing something right.

[IC Champion]

If by something right you mean no-selling, then yes he does that quite well.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I didn't say he was doing everything right. :roll:

[Stickman]

Cena has charisma. That's about it.

[IC Champion]

Charisma is useless without some talent.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He's more than substantial for a brawler. It's not that he's not talented. It's just that he's not flashy. It's just not his style.

What I don't understand is how people didn't hate Hogan like this back in the day.

[IC Champion]

Its not that he isn't flashy, it's that he doesn't do anything well.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He throws good punches, he plays to the crowd well, his offense looks believable , and he brushes his shoulder VERY clean before dropping fists on peoples heads. :y:

[Stickman]

He's more than substantial for a brawler. It's not that he's not talented. It's just that he's not flashy. It's just not his style.

What I don't understand is how people didn't hate Hogan like this back in the day.

Because wrestling was different back then. It was still treated as a real sport. They never broke kayfabe. But as time passed and the audiance matured they wanted more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hogan loosing his appeal before he joined the NWO?

[Anybody Thrilla]

A real sport? Hogan couldn't wrestle his way INTO a paper bag, and he was getting great reactions for the longest fucking time. He STILL gets great reactions, which is beyond me. Cena is FAR more talented than Hogan.

You're right, though. Hogan was losing his appeal before the nWo, but I'm pretty sure he had been around YEARS more than Cena. Do you guys think that a Cena heel turn would have the same effect on Cena that it did on Hogan? It seems to me people have already made up their minds that they don't want to like Cena, no matter what he does.

[BigDaddyCool]

Because wrestling was different back then. It was still treated as a real sport. They never broke kayfabe. But as time passed and the audiance matured they wanted more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hogan loosing his appeal before he joined the NWO?

Hogan lost his appeal before he left the WWF. His character was pretty much dead by the time he got to WCW.

[Stickman]

If Cena became a superheel he could be the biggest thing. But they dont' want Cena to be a character.

[BigDaddyCool]

If Cena started being entertaining again, then he would be the biggest thing.

[Kane Knight]

A real sport? Hogan couldn't wrestle his way INTO a paper bag, and he was getting great reactions for the longest fucking time. He STILL gets great reactions, which is beyond me. Cena is FAR more talented than Hogan.

You're right, though. Hogan was losing his appeal before the nWo, but I'm pretty sure he had been around YEARS more than Cena. Do you guys think that a Cena heel turn would have the same effect on Cena that it did on Hogan? It seems to me people have already made up their minds that they don't want to like Cena, no matter what he does.

You're absolutely right. I mean, since Cena's tried so many different things since people started hating him.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd like to sit in on a conversation between Vince and Cena just to see whose fault it really is.

[Kane Knight]

Did I say it was Cena's fault? Does it change my response if Vince was at fault?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I wasn't arguing with you. I was just thinking out loud, so to speak.

[Kane Knight]

I have no doubt Cena's only doing it because he's a professional. Though it's dishgeartening that a professional would smile and wave while fans were turned away in droves, but that's not really my call.

[Fignuts]

Here is something I just don't understand, how a nigga can just kill a man

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't even watch a "good" John Cena match without cringing. I mean, in his "55-minute classic" with HBK (and I've referred to this spot a lot), there was a moment where John Cena had to get his foot on the rope, and it was just done in a way that sucked all the drama out. Instead of selling the move like he was exhausted, and the rope break was a desperation move, when he moved his leg, it was like "look! my foot on on the rope!" Then he continued acting like he was exhausted. His selling is pretty darn awful, and takes you out of the match he is in.

I think the point about Hogan and it being a "real sport" was intended to suggest that fans didn't accept that it was "fake," and because Hogan won, they accepted him as the best. Now people know it is staged, and when one guy wins all the time, it doesn't mean he is the best, it is just because the company loves him.

Management really loves John Cena, and they overproduce him. He has new merchandise every week, and he shills the company, and he really is a professional. That is why John Cena should be a heel right now. Not just because he is getting booed, but because he is a kiss-ass. Honestly, if he was a heel right now, he would be phenomenal. Kind of a cross between Kurt Angle, when he was talking about milk and cookies, and claiming to be a hero; and The Rock, when he was Corporate Champ.

One of my biggest irks in professional wrestling has come to be when the over-produced babyface feuds with authority. I can not buy John Cena as a rebellious face entity, nor could I accept D-Generation X as such, last year. John Cena gets specialised entrances, he gets his own ramps lowered from the ceiling, and he appears on all the commercials, etc. When DX were torturing Coach, they also has the co-operation of the crew, and there was one instance where they used Western music while trapping Coach. It was just like "What the fuck, why did that happen if the company hates DX?" It's really annoying, and makes me hate the charatcers.

Anti-authority works best when the face is left to his own blue collar devices. Stone Cold Steve Austin would drive the monster truck over Vince's limo himself; he drove down, unhooked the hose and sprayed Vince with beer himself. I really loved CM Punk's promo with Vince McMahon on ECW, where he just tore into Vince in a backstage segment. And yes, I did also enjoy it when John Cena and Vince had their little confrontation on RAW the night before that, where Cena slapped Vince for making a reference about sleeping with his mum. There is potential for a Vince vs. Cena feud, but it needs to be well developed, with Vince frustrated at Cena for slapping him after all Vince has done for him. They just can't suddenly go to being enemies.

[BigDaddyCool]

I can't even watch a "good" John Cena match without cringing. I mean, in his match with HBK (and I've referred to this spot a lot), there was a moment where John Cena had to get his foot on the rope, and it was just done in a way that sucked all the drama out. Instead of selling the move like he was exhausted, and the rope break was a desperation move, when he moved his leg, it was like "look! my foot on on the rope!" Then he continued acting like he was exhausted. His selling is pretty darn awful, and takes you out of the match he is in.

I think the point about Hogan and it being a "real sport" was intended to suggest that fans didn't accept that it was "fake," and because Hogan won, they accepted him as the best. Now people know it is staged, and when one guy wins all the time, it doesn't mean he is the best, it is just because the company loves him.

Management really loves John Cena, and they overproduce him. He has new merchandise every week, and he shills the company, and he really is a professional. That is why John Cena should be a heel right now. Not just because he is getting booed, but because he is a kiss-ass. Honestly, if he was a heel right now, he would be phenomenal. Kind of a cross between Kurt Angle, when he was talking about milk and cookies, and claiming to be a hero; and The Rock, when he was Corporate Champ.

One of my biggest irks in professional wrestling has come to be when the over-produced babyface feuds with authority. I can not buy John Cena as a rebellious face entity, nor could I accept D-Generation X as such, last year. John Cena gets specialised entrances, he gets his own ramps lowered from the ceiling, and he appears on all the commercials, etc. When DX were torturing Coach, they also has the co-operation of the crew, and there was one instance where they used Western music while trapping Coach. It was just like "What the fuck, why did that happen if the company hates DX?" It's really annoying, and makes me hate the charatcers.

Anti-authority works best when the face is left to his own blue collar devices. Stone Cold Steve Austin would drive the monster truck over Vince's limo himself; he drove down, unhooked the hose and sprayed Vince with beer himself. I really loved CM Punk's promo with Vince McMahon on ECW, where he just tore into Vince in a backstage segment. And yes, I did also enjoy it when John Cena and Vince had their little confrontation on RAW the night before that, where Cena slapped Vince for making a reference about sleeping with his mum. There is potential for a Vince vs. Cena feud, but it needs to be well developed, with Vince frustrated at Cena for slapping him after all Vince has done for him. They just can't suddenly go to being enemies.

Naw, I want a crazy paranoid and full of himself cena. A guy that will literally come out and get on the mic and say, "Hey guys, Judgement Day is coming up, and guess what, the spoiler is Cena wins."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Naw, I want a crazy paranoid and full of himself cena. A guy that will literally come out and get on the mic and say, "Hey guys, Judgement Day is coming up, and guess what, the spoiler is Cena wins."

That would be awesome, but that is arrogant, and would fit with the Corporate Champion thing. People don't like re-using old storylines, but I really think it would work with Vince McMahon and John Cena.

Fuck, have Mr. Kennedy revealed to be the illegitimate son, and have Vince tell him that he'd rather have John Cena as his son. He wins all the time, has been WWE Champion for a long time, headlines WrestleMania, has all the merchandise. Turn Cena into his ideal employee, and have Mr. Kennedy become the Stone Cold Steve Austin-type "Fuck you're retarded," reminder to Vince and Cena.

[Kane Knight]

I can't even watch a "good" John Cena match without cringing. I mean, in his "55-minute classic" with HBK (and I've referred to this spot a lot), there was a moment where John Cena had to get his foot on the rope, and it was just done in a way that sucked all the drama out. Instead of selling the move like he was exhausted, and the rope break was a desperation move, when he moved his leg, it was like "look! my foot on on the rope!" Then he continued acting like he was exhausted. His selling is pretty darn awful, and takes you out of the match he is in.

I think the point about Hogan and it being a "real sport" was intended to suggest that fans didn't accept that it was "fake," and because Hogan won, they accepted him as the best. Now people know it is staged, and when one guy wins all the time, it doesn't mean he is the best, it is just because the company loves him.

Management really loves John Cena, and they overproduce him. He has new merchandise every week, and he shills the company, and he really is a professional. That is why John Cena should be a heel right now. Not just because he is getting booed, but because he is a kiss-ass. Honestly, if he was a heel right now, he would be phenomenal. Kind of a cross between Kurt Angle, when he was talking about milk and cookies, and claiming to be a hero; and The Rock, when he was Corporate Champ.

One of my biggest irks in professional wrestling has come to be when the over-produced babyface feuds with authority. I can not buy John Cena as a rebellious face entity, nor could I accept D-Generation X as such, last year. John Cena gets specialised entrances, he gets his own ramps lowered from the ceiling, and he appears on all the commercials, etc. When DX were torturing Coach, they also has the co-operation of the crew, and there was one instance where they used Western music while trapping Coach. It was just like "What the fuck, why did that happen if the company hates DX?" It's really annoying, and makes me hate the charatcers.

Anti-authority works best when the face is left to his own blue collar devices. Stone Cold Steve Austin would drive the monster truck over Vince's limo himself; he drove down, unhooked the hose and sprayed Vince with beer himself. I really loved CM Punk's promo with Vince McMahon on ECW, where he just tore into Vince in a backstage segment. And yes, I did also enjoy it when John Cena and Vince had their little confrontation on RAW the night before that, where Cena slapped Vince for making a reference about sleeping with his mum. There is potential for a Vince vs. Cena feud, but it needs to be well developed, with Vince frustrated at Cena for slapping him after all Vince has done for him. They just can't suddenly go to being enemies.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if Cena would be a "top draw" in terms of merch if they didn't produce a new T-Shirt or cap every 3 days.

Anyway, with DX, it was clearly class warfare. Vince hated them, but the working man loves them, so the production guys helped where they could. :shifty:

[DAMN iNATOR]

Here is something I just don't understand, how a nigga can just kill a man

Ghost of any "generic" white guy: Nigga stole my life!

[Skippord]

I don't really give a shit if you guys like Cena or not, but the fact remains he will go down as a legend. Call me a fool or a mark, whatever I like what I want to like. Cena is a solid wrestler who consistantly puts on the best matches on the show, if you say im wrong, well how about you look at every ppv he has main evented in the last nine months and prove me wrong.

Rumble 07 vs Umaga - best match aside from the Rumble possibly
NYR vs Umaga - again, best match
No Way Out w/HBK vs Batista and Taker best match
WM vs HBK best match
and so on and so on...

And its Jordan, retard.
The Rumble was the best
Rated RKO vs DX was the best
I'll agree
Taker V Batista was better MiTB was the best