Some random thoughts by yours truly, Johnny Vegas

[Johnny Vegas]

- God damn, Orton should have won the fucking title last night. He did not have to have it for THAT long, but they [WWE] have to show that Cena is beatable. WTF, he is NOT hogan. I still like Cena, honestly, and some people here do but just won't admit it. But when you KNOW that the guy is gonna win, it just takes the surprise element out. I remember a time when i saw a match, i honestly did not know who would win. Now when i see Cena matches, i just think to myself: "Ok, so how is he going to modify the FU this time".

- I'm soooo glad i did not order SummerSlam because i heard it could have been MUCH better.

- Glad to see that Umanga is the champ still. Makes the IC scene look more unpredictable because there is a champ that looks somewhat credible.

- John Morrison is fabulous in the ring, but he has to cut more emotional promos. I'm seeing him as one of the biggest names to hit the WWE in the future because of his unique repitore of moves and his look. But he needs to be more edgier because am i the only one who thinks that there was no real change from Nitro to Morrison, other than him talking more?

- Why isn't there some type of legit, cool stable like there were back in the day? Alot of people say that rarely does more than one wrestler shine in those factions, but if the cards were played right, the likes of Benjamin, MVP, or Elijah starting something can kick things off fresh. Add people like Carlito in it to give them something to do/be in. Could be the "Dream Team" or something.

- Batista can be VERY big if he had a "loose cannon" type of persona. Like, he's already huge as fuck and (kayfabe) could kill almost anybody on the roster. That would make him an instant classic in the WWE. Like, i know he gets "rev'd up" at the end of his matches, but he needs to be on some Ken Shammrock type shit. Vnice could get "cops" on him during some RAW episodes to make it look more legit. Damn, that sounds like money...speaking of which...

- I am loving this Cryme Tyme angle. I really am, and i hope they don't get stale soon. When i say that, i don't mean them as Cryme Tyme, i mean the WWE getting on them about anything they are doing. They need to be more flashy and go "commercial" in the future one day as a storyline and become major heels.

- Elijah Burke needs more mic time and a storyline dammit. This guy just fucking screams charisma, money, and storylines in and out the ring. Of course he is not at his best, but this guy screams potential and needs to be shipped to another brand.

- This Randy Orton "iceman/legend killer" gimmick is pretty cool and he pulls it off so fucking well. The shit he does before the RKO gets me pumped for it and i haven't been "waiting" for finishers since the Rock Bottom.

- Yes.

[Nervous Ferret]

Johnny Vegas

[Johnny Vegas]

Johnny Vegas

[Jordan]

WWE does need some cool stables for sure. I don't think Orton was the right guy to take the title off of Cena, plus they might as well keep it on him until they can say he's had the longest title reign since like Hogan or Sammartino, whoever had it for a long time last.

Morrison is kinda lame in my opinion, he doesn't fit ECW but I doubt he will have the title too much longer, so im ok with that.

I think Batista is lame too... But he was the shit when he was destroying people no questions asked a few years ago. Then he started talking and destroyed his bad ass persona.

I think Elijah is nowhere near as good as you do, none of his matches have been very good. Even the ones with CM Punk were just better than average.

Back to stables, there is no need to have an all black stable, that shit is stupid. Just because they are black doesn't mean they belong together.
Your dream team idea would be good though, Worlds Greatest Tag Team, along with Orton as their leader and a tough guy for an enforcer type... I dunno maybe Cor Von?

[Russenmafia]

Orton needs to lay off the 65 rest holds he does in every match.

[Jordan]

Yep

[Jordan]

He does it because his dad did by the way, such a shitty way to wrestle.

[Johnny Vegas]

Back to stables, there is no need to have an all black stable, that shit is stupid. Just because they are black doesn't mean they belong together.
Your dream team idea would be good though, Worlds Greatest Tag Team, along with Orton as their leader and a tough guy for an enforcer type... I dunno maybe Cor Von?

lol i honestly did not mean to put it like that. I could definitely see CM Punk being in a faction with Elijah and Carlito. The WWE needs something and these guys right now aren't really doing anything. They can be a stable that does anything they want, but not try to "take over". The fans will react anyway to CM & Carlito and Burke can really do wonders in this stable. Cor Von could be that muscle in the group as well if he's in it.

[Johnny Vegas]

Also, i do think Batista could pull it off. The "loose cannon" thing can really work because he did it before and people liked it, and now that he is talking, that can help. But like i said, he needs to be on that Ken Shammrock shit, because it needs to look believable. Can you just imagine Batista belly-to-belly'ing cops who try to get him and then WRESTLERS have to come out and contain him once in a while. He's got the look and music.

Morrison is the goods. I'm saying this because people are not going to believe on a hardcore-based wrestling show that HE is the champ. If he goes to Smackdown! with an edgier attitude, it is only a matter of time before he goes to RAW. Kind of a tweener, almost. He just needs to do some off the wall shit to make him look like a threat i.e. interrupt matches on different shows and get everyone pissed at him. Call him the "3 brand man" or something.

Also, if Orton is not the man to take it off NOW, then he'll never be. I said it time and time again that he needs a program with the Rock ala Rock v. Hogan where he can get that rub from hell. I'm talking like a classic 2 out of 3 falls match or an Iron Man match. Trust, he can learn ALOT right now at his age and experience from the Rock.

[Jordan]

Yeah but Rock isn't going to come back, especially for Randy Orton. I think we can all count on that.

We all know the person to take the tile off Cena will be Triple H. If they moved Undertaker to Raw that would be a good way to get it off him but it's not going to happen.

You have to have Cena turn heel to loose the title at this point, otherwise he will just keep going after the title for months.

With the planned Triple H vs Kennedy main event at Wrestlemania, you have to wonder what will become of Cena. He has to be in one of the big matches but with whom? I think he could do a 2/3 falls rematch with Orton, that would be good, and then have Orton go over.

And like you said Orton is so young he doesn't really need to be the champion right now. He has a lot of time to hopefully get better. He prooved to me he has the ability, the charisma to be a top heel, but his in ring work is lacking big time.

I think the WWE Champion has to be the biggest draw on the roster these days, like in the 80's. I think they are past putting mediocore people with the big one (no the Smackdown or ECW titles don't count). So to me it seems Cena will turn heel and feud with Triple H and loose to him. Triple H is deffinatly as big of a draw if not bigger than Cena.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Randy Orton was not the man to beat John Cena for the WWE Championship. I'm not a big Cena supporter, and quite frankly think the guy should be no higher than mid-card, but he has the much better work ethic of the two. Randy Orton is a little shit that has been doing his best work because he was afraid he was going to get seriously punished when he fucked up around Backlash time this year. Reward him too much, and you go back to having a little shit on your hands. Orton is fine in his upper mid-card slot for now.

Summerslam does sound shit. Some people like the old school "long title reign" shit, but if the reigns are boring, what good are they? I can kind of understand keeping the IC Title on Umaga. Mr. Kennedy has bigger fish to fry, and Carlito winning the title is also a step backwards for him (arguably). Umaga is rising quickly, but he's already the Champion, and for someone who is meant to be unbeatable, his reign would be mighty short if he lost the belt already. Plus they seem to have plans for him. I can also get the WWE Title and even the ECW Title staying where they were, although I am not happy about how the ECW Title stayed where it was. I think we were ready to see Khali lose the World Heavyweight Championship, however.

John Morrison is quite interesting as ECW Champion. He's the best World Champion they have, which is kind of an indictment of the current product. Morrison was one of the most improved wrestlers of 2006, and I think what he really needs is a stable based around him. Not one consisting of every young guy on the roster with potential, but maybe have Melina swap brands to ECW, and play his manager that he occasionally bangs (move her away from the permanent girlfriend role). Have The Miz become a follower of "Morrisonism" and have the Extreme Expose quit doing their shitty dancing, and become The Miz's gift to Morrison, and as such, they become his groupies. Fuck, re-hire Maven, and stick him in a tag team of sorts with The Miz. They're both Tough Enough alumni, and Maven was working really well as a heel before the WWE got cold feet with him. You could also re-hire Joey Mercury, but he could easily be used as a face, as well. I guess having him with Morrison, Melina, Maven and Miz wouldn't hurt.

As for stables, bring up Ace Steel and Colt Cabana, stick them with CM Punk, and call them The Second City Saints. That stable was apparently magic in ROH, and CM Punk needs a little extra gas now that his feud with Morrison is dragging.

Other stables I would love to see:

-Shawn Michaels, Paul London, Brian Kendrick & Ashley Massaro (RAW)
-Bret Hart (as a kind of one-off sponsor), Harry Smith, Teddy Hart, Nattie Neidhart & Jim Neidhart (RAW)
-MVP, Carlito, VIP & Eddie Colon (SmackDown!)
-Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy & Shannon Moore (SmackDown!)
-Johnny Jeter, Mike Mondo & Nick Nemeth (SmackDown!)
-Finlay, Paul Burchill, Dave Taylor & Sheamus O'Shaunessy (SmackDown!)

Batista does need some edge back. A lot of people don't like the idea of brand feuds, but I would not mind it if Batista showed up on RAW, interfering during a match, wearing a SmackDown! shirt and trying to get people to watch. Maybe have him joined by guys like Chuck Palumbo and Hardcore Holly. I guess Chris Masters and Kenny Dykstra could even get involved, eventually. It would be good for a feud heading into Survivor Series.

[Johnny Vegas]

Yea, i agree with most of that. Batista NEEDS to do what i mentioned because that would sell soooo much. People love to see wrestlers who are so random (loose cannon) that they HAVE to watch and see what happens with him/her.

Morrison with a stable isn't a bad idea either. Like i said, the guy is fabulous in the ring, but just needs to work more on his promos. He needs to have like limos drop him off at the arenas, have his own dressing room, and involve himself in more gimmick matches.

As far as the title reigns, i think that it depends who it is. But even then, you don't want someone who everyone loves to be boooo'd out of the building (hmmmm...). This is why Cena NEEDS to be champion right now. It's gotten to the point that if he wasn't champ, he'd have to change alot of his swagger (which the WWE needs to start thinking about).

God, i wish i could talk to the wrestlers/officials and share ideas. Like, seriously.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yea, i agree with most of that. Batista NEEDS to do what i mentioned because that would sell soooo much. People love to see wrestlers who are so random (loose cannon) that they HAVE to watch and see what happens with him/her.

Morrison with a stable isn't a bad idea either. Like i said, the guy is fabulous in the ring, but just needs to work more on his promos. He needs to have like limos drop him off at the arenas, have his own dressing room, and involve himself in more gimmick matches.

As far as the title reigns, i think that it depends who it is. But even then, you don't want someone who everyone loves to be boooo'd out of the building (hmmmm...). This is why Cena NEEDS to be champion right now. It's gotten to the point that if he wasn't champ, he'd have to change alot of his swagger (which the WWE needs to start thinking about).

God, i wish i could talk to the wrestlers/officials and share ideas. Like, seriously.

Your idea for a Batista tweener turn is great, but the WWE traditionally does not like edgy characters, these days. They prefer bland ones that they say are edgy, just because they are rejected. Crazy Batista = ratings, but I doubt the WWE care.

Morrison actually got a fun match out of John Cena, so he's fine with me. A lot of people cry whenever a guy shows up on the other brands, when he is not officially apart of their roster, but I think it would make sense in Morrison's case for him to travel to the other shows, and show up proclaiming to be the Real World Champion, or something. He doesn't need to compete, just have him sit with the General Managers and talk in their office about him heading over their way when his contract runs out, and maybe bringing the ECW Championship with him.

Long championship runs depend a lot on the champions. When they are the best guy and holding the belt for a long time, more power to them. It's a little tedious when they suck, and their reign is boring. Long reigns do not automatically equal good, and the more you have, the less special they become when they do occur. Right now, although nothing is really critical point, I think the WWE needs to be thinking about switching the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, Women's Championship (definitely), World Tag Team Championship (maybe), Cruiserweight Championship (definitely) and United States Championship (maybe). I'm not too sure about Lance Cade, Trevor Murdoch and MVP, because they are great in their roles, but I think a change is right for storyline purposes.

[Tommy Gunn]

The championships are definitely in need of a switch around.

WWE Title- Get it off Cena right now, put on either Trips or Orton.
World title- Batista or Kane should hold the belt till Taker is ready for another run. Then get it back on Edge in 2008.
U.S Title- Is fine on MVP, but switch it to Matt Hardy in a couple of months so that MVP can move up in the title picture.
IC Title- Put on Kennedy then move to either Carlito or Benjamin later in the year after Kennedy moves up the card.
Womens Title- Put on Beth or Melina.
Cruiserweight Title- Should be canned IMO.

I think the Tag titles are fine where they are for now. Although I would like to see Cryme Time have a title run before the end of the year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The championships are definitely in need of a switch around.

WWE Title- Get it off Cena right now, put on either Trips or Orton.
World title- Batista or Kane should hold the belt till Taker is ready for another run. Then get it back on Edge in 2008.
U.S Title- Is fine on MVP, but switch it to Matt Hardy in a couple of months so that MVP can move up in the title picture.
IC Title- Put on Kennedy then move to either Carlito or Benjamin later in the year after Kennedy moves up the card.
Womens Title- Put on Beth or Melina.
Cruiserweight Title- Should be canned IMO.

I think the Tag titles are fine where they are for now. Although I would like to see Cryme Time have a title run before the end of the year.

The WWE Championship needs a move, I agree. My pick for the new Champion is a bit different from the norm, however. I would have John Cena drop it off to either King Booker or William Regal. Yes, I am completely serious with both picks. Well, maybe not completely serious with William Regal, but it would be awesome. Booker is just the best heel performer on RAW, at present. He's not a dickhead, he's not young, he puts on solid matches, and has been damn entertaining. He was SmackDown!'s MVP last year, and he could really use a WWE Title run. King Booker vs. Shawn Michaels for the WWE Championship is actually a match I would like to see containing main event players.

William Regal I throw out there for reasons similar to King Booker. He's just better than most of the roster. He's a great talker, great wrestler, and he's long overdue for his due. Just have Cena make a mockery of Regal during a backstage segment, and then have Regal go all bad-ass General Manager on his ass, and book himself against Cena that night. Then have Regal go all heelish Commish on Cena's ass, like he did Chris Jericho in 2001, and have Regal book Cena in a match he cannot possibly win. Have Cena retain with the STFU, and have Regal tap, then say it doesn't count, as this was a pinfall only match. Cena then gets the F-U on Regal, gets the pin, but Regal says it doesn't count, because it is a knock-out only, and then have Snitsky come out and kick Cena's head off on Regal's (late) behalf, and Cena is knocked out, and Regal becomes the new Champion. It'd be a bit like the Vince McMahon/Bobby Lashley thing earlier this year, only Regal actually deserves the attention.

[Johnny Vegas]

That last idea is pretty sweet. That's the problem though, the WWE doesn't want to take smart chances like they used to. Let me emphasize SMART, because i don't mean shoving someone down our throats because they WANT us to like someone. Regal becoming champ would be something fresh, entertaining, and would certainly give Regal his due.

God, the WWE needs a cool stable. Like, not one of those l.W.o., b.W.o., DX shit all over again, a NEW one that can give the new generation of fans a taste of what we had almost a decade ago.

[IC Champion]

My head would explode even attempting to read the thread.

Jordan X likes to eat ass, that is all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I went through stables briefly earlier, but here are some stables I think the WWE could throw together:

Montel Vontavious Porter
Carlito
Eddie Colon
Victor Imperial Porter

They're basically two sets of brothers, with MVP and Carlito being the older two, and the leaders, and with Eddie and Victor being the supporting players. Maybe hire Stacy Colon and have her serve as the team's valet. I'm not sure how she is look-wise, but I know she is a trained wrestler.

CM Punk
Colt Cabana
Ace Steel

This would just be so much fun. CM Punk and Colt Cabana have so much chemistry together, and Ace Steel trained them both. Steel is none to bad personality-wise himself. Any man that has an entertaining match with Orlando Jordan is OK with me.

Kenny Dykstra
Johnny Jeter
Mike Mondo
Nick Nemeth (with a loose alliance with Chavo Guerrero)
Victoria

OK, so this is pretty much The Spirit Squad minus Mitch, but now they have last names, and wouldn't so much be cheerleaders as a pack of young guys sticking together and helping each other survive the harsh roster conditions. Johnny Jeter would eventually try to take over the group, and you could even have one of them start banging Victoria behind Kenny's back. Nick Nemeth made his debut before his former stablemates as Kerwin White's caddy, which is where his alliance with Chavo comes in. Have him study under Chavo, while Mondo develops a thing for Victoria, Johnny feels he is meant to be the break-out star, and Kenny gets the rub from being the leader.

Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
Shannon Moore

Another three-man stable, but it would help Shannon Moore get over. A new incarnation of Team Xtreme could help sell t-shirts, and it gives Jeff Hardy something to do, because his role on RAW is going to get pretty boring pretty fast (my prediction).

Finlay
Seamus O'Shaunessy
Dave Taylor
Paul Burchill

An Irishman and his apprentice, and an Englishman and his apprentice. Call them The Blue Bloods and have O'Shaunessy and Burchill learn from the best.

Neither of those really leaps out at me as a "money making" stable, but it gives a lot of guys something to do, and puts them in a position where they can better from the stable they are a part of.