WWE wants Morishima??!?

[Jordan]

FROM BOONE


This past weekend when Ring of Honor was in New York City, WWE's Johnny Ace wanted to have a meeting with ROH Champion and superstar Takeshi Morishima. Ace is said to be very high on the big man and wants to bring him into WWE. The meeting was squashed by NOAH - the Japanese promotion that has Morishima under contract and has a strong working relationship with ROH. This is not the first time WWE has wanted to sign Morishima. They approached him last year while he was training at Harley Race's school, but NOAH stopped it from happening then too.

[The One]

Of course they want RoH guys, they need people that suck so much we have no choice but to cheer Cena.

[Jordan]

Morishima is amazing

[The One]

So sayeth the fan of Bobby Lashley and the guy who has a favorite memory of some two-bit terrible worker with a plumber gimmick.

[Stickman]

Is he asian? I'd guess that judging by his name. If so, chances are he gets a gimmick where he's an Asian that doesnt' speak english and is anti USA

[Jordan]

You are such a dumbass. I WAS LYING TO TL DIPSHIT

[Jordan]

Is he asian? I'd guess that judging by his name. If so, chances are he gets a gimmick where he's an Asian that doesnt' speak english and is anti USA


Nahhhh he's a great babyface and he's a monster so they would probably do well to him.

[The One]

Is he asian? I'd guess that judging by his name. If so, chances are he gets a gimmick where he's an Asian that doesnt' speak english and is anti USA

Or he could become SmackDown #2 Announca!

INDEED!:D

[Rob]

Of course they want RoH guys, they need people that suck so much we have no choice but to cheer Cena.

You have a choice. You just don't like it.

Cena has been the most underrated wrestler in the company for well over a year.

[The One]

You are such a dumbass. I WAS LYING TO TL DIPSHIT

Awwww, someone got his little feelings hurt.;)

[Jordan]

No I just don't see how you can be so increadibly stupid.

[The One]

You have a choice. You just don't like it.

Cena has been the most underrated wrestler in the company for well over a year.

I'll be the first to admit Cena is under rated and quite frankly one of the better guys the WWE has currently. Just that damn belt and him never losing is getting more annoying that Hogan did in the 80s.

[The One]

No I just don't see how you can be so increadibly stupid.

Next time you want to talk about how stupid someone is...spell check your post first.

Oh and you might do well to learn how to take a joke. Or you can just freak out and be a total spazz, you're choice.:wave:

Go fuck yourself Jordan.

[Mercury Bullet]

Cena has been the most underrated wrestler in the company for well over a year.

:rofl:

[IC Champion]

WHo is Morishima?

[Innovator]

WHo is Morishima?The illegitimate Japanese son of Terry Gordy

[IC Champion]

I dont get why ROH put their title on a fat jap.

[SammyG]

Next time you want to talk about how stupid someone is...spell check your post first.

Oh and you might do well to learn how to take a joke. Or you can just freak out and be a total spazz, you're choice.:wave:

Go fuck yourself Jordan.

Hey TOVO, if you're gonna bash someone on his spelling/grammar, do it in a way that you have a right to. you're choice is not correct. However, YOUR choice is.

[Jordan]

:lol:

[Jordan]

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[Jordan]

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[thecc]

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[Jordan]

BTW that hot ass is named Morishima as well, thanks you tube.

[IC Champion]

I would also like to note that John Laurinaitis is legally retarded.

[SammyG]

Haha yeah I was wondering why the hell you would post that Kaori chick.

[Jordan]

BTW I like Morishima and all, especially live he is really fun.... But what the hell is with NOAH and ROH doing the same shit in every match???

Lock up, over power... chop, chop, right hands bla, lariat, someone gets sent to the outside, whiped into the rail... move on the pavement/mat... roll in high impact suplex, more chops and punches, powerbomb, finisher kickout.... and then either a pin with a lariat or their finisher.... of course there are variations but this gets really old.

[#1-norm-fan]

You have a choice. You just don't like it.

Cena has been the most underrated wrestler in the company for well over a year.

:love:

[Corkscrewed]

lol, he honestly looks like a giant overgrown fat baby. Cartoonlike.

[Pepsi Man]

You have a choice. You just don't like it.

Cena has been the most underrated wrestler in the company for well over a year.
Underrated?! What, have you been watching tapes from 2002, or something?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Takeshi Morishima has a likable charisma about him. That automatically puts him above most of the guys in the WWE in terms of talent. Morishima, with his cowboy hat, simple baby-like look, and legitimate tough guy atmosphere could turn him into something without much work. Just stick him on SmackDown! as Funaki or Jimmy Wang Yang's new friend. Fuck, stick him in a simple-minded tag team with Eugene.

I'd mark the fuck out to see a Takeshi Morishima vs. JBL feud, where JBL claims he is tired of Asians pretending to be rednecks, that Morishima comes out and makes JBL his bitch for the Jimmy Wang Yangs and Funakis of the WWE (Funaki isn't a redneck in the kayfabe sense, but he is in real-life, so he's getting a mention).

Of course, there are cynical, narrow-minded folk on these forums that won't like the guy because he didn't start off in the WWE, so therefore, by their brilliant process of elimination, he must be shit. The guy is just a capable big man, with some of the hardest hitting offense in the business, and a genuine likable charisma about him. His match with Bryan Danielson recently was apparently awesome (and nearly blinded Danielson).

[IC Champion]

So becauce he's stiff and hits hard he's good?

[Jordan]

Yeah pretty much. See when your a kid you don't really notice how fake wrestling is but when you grow up you don't want to feel like a fucking retard watching two people play fight. So when guys will actually beat the shit out of each other, it makes them a lot cooler.

[IC Champion]

Yeah pretty much. See when your a kid you don't really notice how fake wrestling is but when you grow up you don't want to feel like a fucking retard watching two people play fight. So when guys will actually beat the shit out of each other, it makes them a lot cooler.
You do realize that any two idiots can get into a ring and actually hit each other, right? There's no skill or art to hauling back and hitting someone with a closed fist, or a stiff forearm shot. It's the most retarded thing to actaully hit each other is a fake match where the outcome is pre-determined.

Again hitting eachother for real in a sport which is "fake", make sense to anyone else who doesnt like anime and jerk off to Salor Moon?

[BigDaddyCool]

I hate the Japanese.

[IC Champion]

I hate the Japanese.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah pretty much. See when your a kid you don't really notice how fake wrestling is but when you grow up you don't want to feel like a fucking retard watching two people play fight. So when guys will actually beat the shit out of each other, it makes them a lot cooler.

Then why not just watch mma and not waste time with fake wrestling?

[IC Champion]

Because MMA sucks.

[The One]

Yeah pretty much. See when your a kid you don't really notice how fake wrestling is but when you grow up you don't want to feel like a fucking retard watching two people play fight. So when guys will actually beat the shit out of each other, it makes them a lot cooler.

Are you fucking serious with this shit? First of all, if as a kid you didn't know it was scripted, you were fucking dumb then. If at this point in your life you're looking for stiff workers so that it's more cool, you're fucking dumb now. If you want to see two guys fight watch MMA or Hockey or go to any bar at around 1:30. Wrestling is not about how hard someone hits, it's about storytelling, it's about getting involved with the characters, it's even sometimes about amazing beyond belief physical acts. Now, do people actually get hurt and hit hard occasionally when wrestling? You god damn right. And you do want to make it look as believable as possible...the problem with Japanese/RoH hard style is it's nothing more than stiff hits. Hell I've seen backyard wrestlers who can do that.

It's amazing JoX. Just when I think you've crossed the line from your average run of the mill/let's point and laugh at the retarded kid to "Oh man this guy may seriously have something mentally wrong with him" you come up with new amazing shit to spew. As of right now, you've basically crossed over into what I like to consider the "I hope you die soon" category. That's a special place reserved for people so mentally incompetent that their continued living on this planet not only lowers our world wide average IQ dramatically, but indeed as furthering insult to injury, you carry with you a high likely hood of passing along your stupidity to people around you. So please, PLEASE, for the good of mankind, go kill yourself. Thank you.

[IC Champion]

:lol:

[The One]

Because MMA sucks.
WHOA NOW! Let's not go and say anything like that. MMA right now is miles above and beyond anything anyone in the pro wrestling world is doing. Hell they've got better stories without it being scripted.

[Destor]

I think it's a stretch to say it's nothing more than hard hits TOVO. While they do rely on the brutality in the same way ECW did with their hardcore aspect they offer a lot more. Which, again like ECW, incorporates a lot brilliant storytelling in their matches.

I mean yeah the fans are blood thirsty, but not single minded.

[Destor]

Huge lack of charecters though.

[IC Champion]

WHOA NOW! Let's not go and say anything like that. MMA right now is miles above and beyond anything anyone in the pro wrestling world is doing. Hell they've got better stories without it being scripted.
Meh.

[The One]

DESTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good god it's nice to see you back here, but more to the topic at hand...

RoH is horrible. I am personally shocked to hear you stick up for it. While Japan can on rare occasion produce a decent match, RoH is basically half chopping and half spots that make TNA look good. Their fans are not fans of what is happening, but rather they are cheering and thirsty for more because it's like nothing WWE puts on. Now, while WWE's storylines are terrible, and their choices in match outcomes is shady at best, the matches themselves still to this day carry a heavy emphasis on the storytelling/psychology aspect, which is something that RoH has never been able to accomplish. The fans aren't what I would call blood thirsty, just trained marks. They are special from other standard marks in that they don't cheer good and boo evil, they cheer what RoH has told them to cheer. It doesn't mean they're any more cultured than your average mark, simply programmed differently.

You made a fine point about ECW. ECW was generally awful. It had hardcore moments, which was not only the primary focus, it was their biggest banner to make people watch them. Again, just a mark trained to pop for anything considered hardcore. The only thing ECW ever did well was not to rush things. They allowed all the time in the world to develop something, a rare quality for that era of wrestling. But that's the biggest problem with most companies outside of WWE, they take this ONE little area that WWE may fall short on, over hype how they are the solution to that, and then market themselves as WWE's alternative when it's really the same thing with a little more of a specific spice (ECW/Hardcore, TNA/High Spots, RoH/Stiff Workers).

[IC Champion]

Amen brotha.

[Destor]

That was a largely brilliant post and I love you.

[Destor]

I have no rebuttal.

[IC Champion]

lol

[Destor]

pwnd

[The One]

That was a largely brilliant post and I love you.

I :heart: u 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigDaddyCool]

BTW, I won't give a fuck about this morishima until he is in WWE, and then I'll make my desision.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So becauce he's stiff and hits hard he's good?

No, it just makes him more believable than a guy running around in shorts feather-tapping folk with his fist.

To your question, I reply: So because he's Japanese/competes in ROH or the independents, it must mean he is shitty? Honestly, when you get to promotions like PWG, ROH, IWA-MS, JAPW, and the non-garbage segments of CZW, independent wrestling offers more psychology than 90% of WWE matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

DESTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good god it's nice to see you back here, but more to the topic at hand...

RoH is horrible. I am personally shocked to hear you stick up for it. While Japan can on rare occasion produce a decent match, RoH is basically half chopping and half spots that make TNA look good. Their fans are not fans of what is happening, but rather they are cheering and thirsty for more because it's like nothing WWE puts on. Now, while WWE's storylines are terrible, and their choices in match outcomes is shady at best, the matches themselves still to this day carry a heavy emphasis on the storytelling/psychology aspect, which is something that RoH has never been able to accomplish. The fans aren't what I would call blood thirsty, just trained marks. They are special from other standard marks in that they don't cheer good and boo evil, they cheer what RoH has told them to cheer. It doesn't mean they're any more cultured than your average mark, simply programmed differently.

You made a fine point about ECW. ECW was generally awful. It had hardcore moments, which was not only the primary focus, it was their biggest banner to make people watch them. Again, just a mark trained to pop for anything considered hardcore. The only thing ECW ever did well was not to rush things. They allowed all the time in the world to develop something, a rare quality for that era of wrestling. But that's the biggest problem with most companies outside of WWE, they take this ONE little area that WWE may fall short on, over hype how they are the solution to that, and then market themselves as WWE's alternative when it's really the same thing with a little more of a specific spice (ECW/Hardcore, TNA/High Spots, RoH/Stiff Workers).

Normally I agree with you, and while you have a valid point, you are being pretty narrow-minded about it. Independent promotions do try and set themselves up as different to the WWE, but when they do that (well, the good independent promotions, anyway) they let the guys construct their own matches, cut their own promos, and work their ass off to do what they were trained to do well. It's not about hard-hitting, it's about their own style of wrestling. It's about taking your potential and using it.

Not every guy in ROH is a Japanese import, and your "all they do is kick" argument if really fucking weak. I see more psychology in a ROH match than an entire week of WWE programming. There is more focus on injuries and body parts, the feuds evolve a lot better, rivalries are based off what they should be based off, and everything flows much better. So there are a few guys who kick in their. Tajiri used to be in the WWE. There isn't only one style present in ROH, and although they do love the Japanese way of doing things, with faster movements, higher impact moves, more focus on the art than the hype (which is all WWE is these days), striking isn't even their biggest priority.

[The Fugitive]

I'll just like to say that I've seen a fair bit of work from Morishima and the guy does nothing for me and he gets way too much praise.

I usually agree with Alien about most of the things he says, but I have no idea where you get your idea that he has charisma.

[IC Champion]

I have no choice but to think that Alienoid is a recovering PCP addict.

[IC Champion]

No, it just makes him more believable than a guy running around in shorts feather-tapping folk with his fist.

To your question, I reply: So because he's Japanese/competes in ROH or the independents, it must mean he is shitty? Honestly, when you get to promotions like PWG, ROH, IWA-MS, JAPW, and the non-garbage segments of CZW, independent wrestling offers more psychology than 90% of WWE matches.
Are you fucking serious?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Are you fucking serious?

Of course I'm serious. What psychology is there in the WWE? :?:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll just like to say that I've seen a fair bit of work from Morishima and the guy does nothing for me and he gets way too much praise.

I usually agree with Alien about most of the things he says, but I have no idea where you get your idea that he has charisma.

Just to be clear, when I say "charisma" I don't mean personality. I mean a certain aura. In ROH, the guy has been putting on some great title matches recently, with Claudio Castagnoli, Brent Albright and Bryan Danielson. He's been getting a lot more love (people were on the fence about him until recently), and he's just fitting in a lot better.

The guy isn't going to light up a room, but that's not his role. His job is to go out there looking pretty harmless, kill people, and then go back looking like a world beater.

[IC Champion]

Of course I'm serious. What psychology is there in the WWE? :?:
WWE might not oozing physcology these days, but ROH and any other indie doesnt even have half of it, and the few in ROH who use physcology, don't do it very well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE might not oozing physcology these days, but ROH and any other indie doesnt even have half of it, and the few in ROH who use physcology, don't do it very well.

I guess it's just an opinion thing. I consider psychology the using of the mind during wrestling matches. The wrestler appears like he is thinking, and is doing things because he is using his mind. Storylines can also implement psychology, by having things happen for a reason, and playing out realistically from said reason.

You will disagree with this, but I think ROH does that so much better than the WWE, which you are right, is definitely not oozing psychology.

Vince McMahon is still looking for an illegitimate son that would be named on the papers he has already been served with. Meanwhile, Jay and Mark Briscoe are looking to get revenge on their opponents for causing a head injury to Mark during one of their matches, and then going after the head as a target, making a professional contest for the Tag Team Championship into a personal one.

I understand that you might have seen some ROH matches where guys strike a lot, or they flip around, but that happens in the WWE, too. Shitty right hands pretty much make up John Cena's moveset. Matches with flips in them have a purpose, however. Some guys need it to get noticed over the immobile shits running things, and others need the momentum of a high flying maneuver to get a bigger man down. Some guys strike a lot because they have martial arts backgrounds, and because it gets the fans into their matches. The thinking in most WWE matches isn't the wrestlers, it belongs to the road agents, some of whom are great wrestlers, but none of them are the one in question, so it doesn't feel organic, and this mechanical style lacks mind. John Cena punches because it is what Vince wants him to do, because he believes it sells merchandise. Using a WWE example done right to provide counterbalance, Elijah Burke punches because he has a former amateur boxing background.

ROH is just more organic with its style, because the guys working in the match are actually doing what they are doing, thus there must be a reason for it. That's not a blind defence of ROH, just my opinion that guys are going to find it a lot harder to work a style which fits them (part of what psychology is) if they have to wrestler another man's match. I admire guys who can do the WWE style well, but I do not admire the WWE style. There is no ROH style. Guys do what works for them, and it's a whole lot more organic. That is psychology, to me.

[IC Champion]

You are no more than a mark, you may know a bit more than your average mark, but a mark none the less. And not just a mark, but a ROH "mark".

The fact is your average wrestlers in WWE arent great with physcology, but than agian neither are any of the indie guys. So because someone appears to be thinking, that is physcolgy? Anyone can look like they are thinking during the match and in between moves. Its the moves you do, how you do them and why you are doing them.

The fact is Cena punches because he's a brawler, and he isn't fancy. Where as in ROH a brawler would start wrestling and using actaul wrestling moves, and while there is nothing at all wrong that, there is when it doesn't fit your character.

As for ROH being more organic with its styles, while you may think that is true, in reality they are just using more moves, and any move. So because they do moves that any wrestler in WWE could do if they wanted, doesnt give them more physcology, or even make the matches better, every wrestler can do every move, to a certian extant, sure I may be impressed the first few times I see something amazing, but after its been done to death, with no meaning, it becomes just another move.

Also, Vince illegitimate love child, way more entertaining than a couple skinny rednecks with a combined weight of 300 pounds.

[The Fugitive]

Just to be clear, when I say "charisma" I don't mean personality. I mean a certain aura. In ROH, the guy has been putting on some great title matches recently, with Claudio Castagnoli, Brent Albright and Bryan Danielson. He's been getting a lot more love (people were on the fence about him until recently), and he's just fitting in a lot better.

The guy isn't going to light up a room, but that's not his role. His job is to go out there looking pretty harmless, kill people, and then go back looking like a world beater.

And I don't feel like that aura with him, he's just some bulky Jap to me that exudes nothing. As for great matches, I haven't seen an entertaining ROH title match since Final Battle 2006. I don't feel any fire during his matches, I don't have any moments during his matches where the ref's counting a near pin and I sit up in my seat a little in anticipation, nothing.

The sooner the belt's off him, the sooner I can get back to enjoying ROH's title matches.

[thecc]

And I don't feel like that aura with him, he's just some bulky Jap to me that exudes nothing. As for great matches, I haven't seen an entertaining ROH title match since Final Battle 2006. I don't feel any fire during his matches, I don't have any moments during his matches where the ref's counting a near pin and I sit up in my seat a little in anticipation, nothing.

The sooner the belt's off him, the sooner I can get back to enjoying ROH's title matches.When this NYC shows gets released, check out his match with Dragon. The crowd was so into this and there were a few times where the crowd though Dragon would take it. Also that whole show sans Davey Richards/pac was awesome.

[Jordan]

Morishima is amazing live, he is pretty electric. His moves are simple but he does them with a lot of force and its great. I am not a ROH mark by any means but ROH is deffinatly the number 2 promotion in the country, and sometimes a lot better than WWE.

BTW if you are slamming the Briscoes Instant Classic then I don't belive you have ever seen a single match of theirs. They are without a doubt the best tag team around today, and probably since 2000.

The major ROH star I dislike is Danielson, I just don't really dig him at all. He is fun live though cause everyone else is nuts for him.

[IC Champion]

Well Jordumb X, you have out done yourself this time.

First, how in the fuck is ROH in the number two promotion in the U.S.? Does it draw bigger house' than TNA when they do PPV's on the raod? Do their PPV buy rate exceed TNA's? Do they do better in television in terms of ratings? No, No and No. ROH does not draw more than TNA, their buyrates wont be better, and they dont even have a deal on cable for a weekly show. I highly doubt they sell more merchandise than TNA does, so how the fuck are they the #2 wrestling promotion? Are you seriously that fucking stupid that it becomes a sin? ROH is neither better than TNA nor WWE.

Also, The Briscoes are ROH's answer to spot monkeys.

[thecc]

Does it draw bigger house' than TNA and the Impact Zone?Doesn't TNA give tickets at the impact zone away for free though?

[IC Champion]

Doesn't TNA give tickets at the impact zone away for free though?
I'm pretty sure you have to buy them.

[Innovator]

I'm pretty sure you have to buy them.Free admission to the impact zone

[IC Champion]

And even in they are free, it still wouldnt matter.

[Innovator]

Thats why they have that fanfest during big PPVs, so they can get a bit of revenue

[thecc]

Also, hasn't TNA lost a rediculous amount of money over the past few years?

[Erebus]

Also, hasn't TNA lost a rediculous amount of money over the past few years?

Pretty sure they've never turned a profit in their existance.

[IC Champion]

TNA is making money now, and even have a sponser for the next PPV.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The idea of WWE matches carrying a show better than ROH matches makes me fucking laugh. I can't think of ten WWE matches that actually ENTERTAINED me in the past year.

But hey, if you want to blindly bash ROH, feel free, I really don't care anymore. You go ahead and keep sucking down the shit WWE and TNA feeds you week in and week out. At least when I go to or watch an ROH show, I don't have to rant, rave, and bitch about the awful decisions they make, the crappy matches they have, or try to pick out the one or two bright spots of a show. But hey, if you'd rather have a show to criticize than a show to enjoy, that's your decision.

But do me two favors.

1. Tell me just how much ROH you've seen. What shows, what matches, from when, etc.

2. Please explain to me, and give me examples, of good story telling and psychology in the WWE. I want to know, really.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure ROH has made more money than TNA. So while ROh may not be the 2nd most recognized in America, they're probably the 2nd best wrestling business in America right now.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

IN all honesty, I'm pretty sure The One can't back up his claim at all, and is just spouting shit for the sake of spouting shit. IC has some knowledge to back up his opinion though, despite the fact that his opinion is twisted as all fuck all.

[IC Champion]

The thing is I don't blindly bash ROH, I used to watch it on a daily basis and followed it up until about Feb, and even then I only did because I was a Homicide mark. After he lost, I was already bored long before that and stopped caring. Besides, the guys I liked are all in TNA now.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

For the record, actual in ring psycholoy, exlcuding a few people, is fubar in ROH. I love the Briscoes, but for the most part, they have no psychology. The only time they really showed great psychology was when Mark just came back from his concussion. For the most part, you won't see methodical psychology in ROH's undercard.

However, there are also people on the ROH roster who are great as far as in ring psychology. You're usual ROH card is going to have at least one brawl, and at least 2 really spotty matches. There's also at least one or two really good match, that while they still have spots in them, aren't blatant spotfests.

So back to the point, ROH does lack in psychology. They don't lack any more than WWE or TNA does. The difference for me between the three though, is that 95% of the time, I'm entertained by an entire ROH show, where WWE/TNA entertain me 10% of the time at best.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know what, I think I made a mistake and grouped IC in with the One's post. IC hasn't actually said anything in this thread that's insanely off or unsupported. I don't agree with him on the extent that he bashed ROH for their wrestlers and their ability, but to each their own.

I will agree that some guys in ROH need to not do every move under the sun. For example, every guy shouldn't be doing a fricking DVD (Although I do love Mark's gorilla press into a DVD)

[Jordan]

IC you are the retard. Did I say ROH makes more money than TNA? No I said they were the number 2 promotion in the country, why? Because TNA sucks and ROH is 100 times better. How can a promotion hire Kurt Angle and in a year only have 1 good match from him?

ROH Is the 2nd best because the are nowhere near WWE's level. They are on the same level as TNA without a doubt as far as fan base goes and they could be making more money, I wouldn't doubt it. Everything about ROH blows TNA out of the water, thus making them the 2nd best in the country next to WWE.

You call me stupid? You are the one sitting on Thursday's ingesting the most insulting wrestling product on TV since I dunno, Legends of Wrestling! Go ahead, say what you want about ROH you really don't matter nor does your opinion. It's clear to me that you have no life and have decided to argue with everything I post, so go ahead and look like a fool. Be with your group of people on here who worship Nash and hate good wrestling.

[IC Champion]

IC you are the retard. Did I say ROH makes more money than TNA? No I said they were the number 2 promotion in the country, why? Because TNA sucks and ROH is 100 times better. How can a promotion hire Kurt Angle and in a year only have 1 good match from him?

Best.Arguement.Ever.

[IC Champion]

Also, Jordan is upset and trying to get personal, shame really, who does that on the internet?

[Jordan]

Shut the fuck up

[IC Champion]

Hurtful words. Hurtful.

[IC Champion]

Be with your group of people on here who worship Nash and hate good wrestling.
Also....

[BigDaddyCool]

IC you are the retard. Did I say ROH makes more money than TNA? No I said they were the number 2 promotion in the country, why? Because TNA sucks and ROH is 100 times better. How can a promotion hire Kurt Angle and in a year only have 1 good match from him?

ROH Is the 2nd best because the are nowhere near WWE's level. They are on the same level as TNA without a doubt as far as fan base goes and they could be making more money, I wouldn't doubt it. Everything about ROH blows TNA out of the water, thus making them the 2nd best in the country next to WWE.

You call me stupid? You are the one sitting on Thursday's ingesting the most insulting wrestling product on TV since I dunno, Legends of Wrestling! Go ahead, say what you want about ROH you really don't matter nor does your opinion. It's clear to me that you have no life and have decided to argue with everything I post, so go ahead and look like a fool. Be with your group of people on here who worship Nash and hate good wrestling.

How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it.

BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

[Jordan]

I have been to countless WWE, WCW, and independent house shows, tv shows, and ppv's. Not one of them was nearly as good/fun/exciting as the five ROH shows that I have been to.

I REALLY DON"T CARE if you like ROH or not. And I am not interested in persuading you otherwise. However when you, Instant Classic, or The One decided to judge me and criticize me on the style of wrestling that I like, constantly it pisses me off. I constantly read your stupid ass ramblings about "BOOGEN, NASH IS GOD, ORTON SHOULD HAVE WON!"...

I have very good taste in wrestling, I know that for a fact. I don't like FAKE looking wrestling, which exactly what you seem to cheer for.

Also, I don't own a single piece of wrestling merchandise from any company, and if I were a mark for anything I probably would.

There is shit I hate in WWE, like the fact that about 50 percent of the guy look like they are play fighting and slapping each other like frat boys.

There is shit I hate about ROH, like the fact that a lot of the wrestler have the same movesets.

There is honestly nothing I like about TNA, its totally unwatchable.

All of you posters who are on my case, I don't remember your names but shut the fuck up and stop wasting your time because I really don't take this shit as seriously as you do.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it.

BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

TNA has more viewers, but ROH has made a bigger profit.

Also, I might take you up on that offer and send you some ROH dvds.

[IC Champion]

Can you send me copies too?

[BigDaddyCool]

I have been to countless WWE, WCW, and independent house shows, tv shows, and ppv's. Not one of them was nearly as good/fun/exciting as the five ROH shows that I have been to.

I'm glad you like it, doesn't make it any bigger than TNA. Tons of people liked Hitler, doesn't make him a good man.

I REALLY DON"T CARE if you like ROH or not. And I am not interested in persuading you otherwise. However when you, Instant Classic, or The One decided to judge me and criticize me on the style of wrestling that I like, constantly it pisses me off. I constantly read your stupid ass ramblings about "BOOGEN, NASH IS GOD, ORTON SHOULD HAVE WON!"...

I hate Orton, never have I said he should have won. Boogen is great. Nash is God. I never judged you because you like RoH, I judged you because I judge everyone to be in some way not as good as me.

I have very good taste in wrestling, I know that for a fact. I don't like FAKE looking wrestling, which exactly what you seem to cheer for.

I love semi-fake wrestling. The few RoH matches I've seen look really fake because the guys are flopping around like fish out of water and they bump before didn't seem to matter because they already when on to a new spot.

Also, I don't own a single piece of wrestling merchandise from any company, and if I were a mark for anything I probably would.

The lack of owning wrestling merch doesn't prove anything. You are blindly defending RoH and talking about how you think of it as opposed to showing why it is better than TNA. I said you sound like a mark, not that you look like one or in fact are one. I said you sound like a mark.

There is shit I hate in WWE, like the fact that about 50 percent of the guy look like they are play fighting and slapping each other like frat boys.

Well they are play fighting, that is what wrestling is.

There is shit I hate about ROH, like the fact that a lot of the wrestler have the same movesets.

From what I understand, the guys in RoH don't have movesets, but instead try and do ever move under the sun. But that is just me nit picking and I don't know for fact.

There is honestly nothing I like about TNA, its totally unwatchable.

Agreed, but that doesn't make RoH bigger.


All of you posters who are on my case, I don't remember your names but shut the fuck up and stop wasting your time because I really don't take this shit as seriously as you do.

It sure seems like you do.

[BigDaddyCool]

Can you send me copies too?

Quit being a mooch. I asked first.

[FourFifty]

Also, Jordan is upset and trying to get personal, shame really, who does that on the internet?

....you'd be amazed at the numbers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You are no more than a mark, you may know a bit more than your average mark, but a mark none the less. And not just a mark, but a ROH "mark".

The fact is your average wrestlers in WWE arent great with physcology, but than agian neither are any of the indie guys. So because someone appears to be thinking, that is physcolgy? Anyone can look like they are thinking during the match and in between moves. Its the moves you do, how you do them and why you are doing them.

That's called thinking. Applying reason to your actions. That is exactly what I was saying. I didn't mean they'd put lab coat on during the middle of the match.

And why does anyone in the WWE do anything that they do? They is no reason for anything in the WWE. ROH at least has its wrestlers do what they do for a reason.

The fact is Cena punches because he's a brawler, and he isn't fancy. Where as in ROH a brawler would start wrestling and using actaul wrestling moves, and while there is nothing at all wrong that, there is when it doesn't fit your character.

Cena is actually a technical wrestler pretending to be a brawler. So it's kind of pot meets kettle if you're talking about using styles you shouldn't. Cena cannot pull off the brawling style, and it is really ugly when he tries.

Weren't you asking why all guys do is strike in ROH? If ROH guys can't get away with it, why should John Cena?

As for ROH being more organic with its styles, while you may think that is true, in reality they are just using more moves, and any move. So because they do moves that any wrestler in WWE could do if they wanted, doesnt give them more physcology, or even make the matches better, every wrestler can do every move, to a certian extant, sure I may be impressed the first few times I see something amazing, but after its been done to death, with no meaning, it becomes just another move.

Also, Vince illegitimate love child, way more entertaining than a couple skinny rednecks with a combined weight of 300 pounds.

If you are entertained by Vince McMahon talking about how he slept with fat women back in the day, then God have mercy on your soul. The Briscoes are one of the best tag teams out there today, and their storyline actually makes sense and isn't ego blowing bullshit. Once again, ROH wins by default.

I must ask, how many times can you see a chinlock before it becomes "just another move?" I cannot get into a WWE match as easily as a ROH match. I've explained what I consider psychology, and that is a reason for the moves that are being used. I see that in ROH. I very rarely EVER see that in the WWE. Mr. Kennedy and Finlay have had cases of good psychology, and that's about all I can remember off the top of my head.

There are some flips in ROH, and some matches where the goal of the match is to entertain the fans, and just put on a high octane match. Well, quite frankly, that has its place in professional wrestling. The psychology of those matches shouldn't be to have a slow-paced match, with the guys willing to go a marathon if it means they win. It's about getting out there and earning yourself some "Wow, did you see *their name*" so they can get future bookings in the company, and then work their way up to the marathon-style matches. That, in a way, is its own form of psychology. The extent of psychology in the WWE is "Hey, the agents told me to do this, so I'm doing it." I guess that is an extra layer of psychology, as well, but it's a really depressing variation, because you never even get a fun match out of it.

ROH is good like that. Their storylines don't make the wrestlers out to not have lives outside the promotion, and it remembers that they are human beings looking for work, and to get their name noticed. So many of their storylines come of guys getting pissed off because they were hurt during a match, which dampens their productivity in the business. I like storylines like that, because they are way more entertaining to me than some old guy talking about women he banged back in the day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

IN all honesty, I'm pretty sure The One can't back up his claim at all, and is just spouting shit for the sake of spouting shit. IC has some knowledge to back up his opinion though, despite the fact that his opinion is twisted as all fuck all.

:y:

The One just doesn't like indies because all the "hip and edgy" smarks support, and like rooting for the guys who are out there trying to produce quality rather than the standard shit we get from the big promotions.

IC has more reason behind his thinking, but I cannot for the life of me see how the WWE has more psychology than ROH. All their matches are the same. ROH wins by default, in my opinion. Of course, The One would say "all indie guys do is chop" and further prove he has no clue what he is talking about.

But IC is closer to being on the money. He seems to have some knowledge of the indies, I think he's just of a different opinion, which is fair enough. Not everyone likes ROH, and that is fine. I prefer to see matches that entertain me, and ROH does that 1000x better than the WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it.

BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

As WWKD said, ROH has turned a bigger profit. They've also done some successful tours overseas. That might not mean anything to you, and it's kind of trivial, but ROH kind of has a longer reach if you are talking about the places they have done shows. TV deals should probably be considered more important, but it's just a possible defense for the "ROH is bigger than TNA" argument. The profit point is probably the best one.

The blind defenses of ROH are just in contrast to the blind offense. I'm going to question as to what ROH matches you have seen, because although I can understand how it is not everyone's cup of tea, a lot of it is very ground-based. I doubt you would have seen much of ROH's chief offerings if you only say flippy matches. It's like saying CZW puts forth technical masterpieces. You might get one or two good matches a show, but their focus is definitely on garbage wrestling.

That's not a criticism of you, by the way, just me telling you that you have not really seen ROH's specialty. More a criticism of the pallette you have been presented with. Get better sources for your ROH information.

[BigDaddyCool]

As WWKD said, ROH has turned a bigger profit. They've also done some successful tours overseas. That might not mean anything to you, and it's kind of trivial, but ROH kind of has a longer reach if you are talking about the places they have done shows. TV deals should probably be considered more important, but it's just a possible defense for the "ROH is bigger than TNA" argument. The profit point is probably the best one.

You know I am an accountant right? Making more profit a year does not mean they are bigger. If that was true, then by that logic it means when WCW losing money in the millions, then any wrestling promotion losing less money or actaully turning $1 of profit was bigger than WCW. That means that while WCW lost a million, and ECW only lost a few hundred thousand, ECW would have been bigger than WCW. Profit does not equal size. It is entirely possible for a small business to make more actual profit than a large business. So profit is the wrost point to argue over size. For the 8 billionth time people, I went to business school, I am an accounant, knowing finicial statements is my job. You will not be able to argue with me on this point.

Now if you can show that RoH does more business, then they are bigger than TNA. Income does not equal profit, they are related but not the same.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

TNA has lost money
ROH has turned a profit.
From a financial standpoint, ROH has done better.

TNA is on TV, ROH is on ppv sometimes. Reachwise, TNA is doing better. TNA loses money because they are on tv/ppv/ It's a toss up. ROH makes more money, TNA has more fans.

[Jordan]

BDC I never said ROH was bigger than TNA to begin with, I said the are the number 2 promotion.

Why? Because ROH is 10x better than TNA. Simple as that. I don't really care about money, but it helps my point that ROH does double to triple the shows that TNA does and still makes money. If TNA did the amount of shows ROH did I am pretty sure they would be losing even more money. ROH may not be able to draw 5000 people yet but they can consitantly draw 1000 paying fans where in TNA all you have to do is go to the theme park. TNA does get that money the park does.

[IC Champion]

*awaits BDC*

[BigDaddyCool]

TNA has lost money
ROH has turned a profit.
From a financial standpoint, ROH has done better.

TNA is on TV, ROH is on ppv sometimes. Reachwise, TNA is doing better. TNA loses money because they are on tv/ppv/ It's a toss up. ROH makes more money, TNA has more fans.

Making more profit doesn't mean they are better or bigger. TNA is number 2. It is like saying ECW was ever #2 during the monday night wars. Again, if you can prove to me RoH does some where near the same amount of business, not makes more profit, then the subject of who is #2 is up for debate.

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC I never said ROH was bigger than TNA to begin with, I said the are the number 2 promotion.

Why? Because ROH is 10x better than TNA. Simple as that. I don't really care about money, but it helps my point that ROH does double to triple the shows that TNA does and still makes money. If TNA did the amount of shows ROH did I am pretty sure they would be losing even more money. ROH may not be able to draw 5000 people yet but they can consitantly draw 1000 paying fans where in TNA all you have to do is go to the theme park. TNA does get that money the park does.

Hahahahahaha. Then by your logic, shouldn't RoH actually be the #1 because you seem to think RoH is 100x better than WWE. :roll: Your opinion is crap because you seem to be changing what you are saying everytime I offer hard evidence to the contrray. I get it, you like RoH, but besides in your heart of hearts, it is not #2, it is #3 every where else.

Also, all of RoH's best talent is now in WWE or TNA. Which pretty much means RoH is still a breeding ground for the bigger promotions. So, since WWE and TNA are seens as steps up by the talent from RoH, again I don't see how RoH is #2.

BTW, it really should be typed RoH because the word of doesn't get capitalized in a title. That is just me being nitpicky though.

Lastly, Jordon X smell like stinky nutsacks.

[IC Champion]

lol

[Vastardikai]

I'm gonna make a side note, back to the original post:

Sending Johnny Ace to sign a worker from Misawa's promotion is about as stupid a move as sending Eric Bischoff to sign Reid Flair.

[Destor]

I would like to point out that i am a huge fan of the RoH. Just an fyi thing.

[Rob]

Underrated?! What, have you been watching tapes from 2002, or something?

Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

*Comparatively* good match ;)

But yeah anything above terrible in a Khali match is a minor miracle.

[BigDaddyCool]

Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

You know by now, people forget why they really hate Cena. Truth be told, he is actually watchable now. He is decent in ring, and gets the best pop of the night as long as Stone Cold doesn't show up. Maybe WWE is going back to long title riegns as they mean more, and there is no point in winning a ratings war against no one.