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Loose Cannon
09-07-2007, 07:53 AM
September 6, 2007 - Thursday

WWE STOOPS TO DESPICABLE LOWS ABOUT BENOIT; TIME TO BOYCOTT?



As far as I know, with the exception of the alleged murders by Chris Benoit, in the history of pro wrestling, there has never been a murder of any innocent non-wrestlers by a pro wrestler, with the only other exception of an alleged murder back in 1983/84 by a WWF wrestler that I heard Vince McMahon used high-powered ties to Cover-Up.




Now, it will be easy for some to write off the above paragraph and the Subject Heading of this Bulletin as a shot taken at the WWE by a disgruntled former employee (Me). And that's fine. But the fact is, I am happy with my career and I am glad that I am no longer dealing with the politics, bureaucracy and B.S. that goes with working in the WWE.




But, after the response that the WWE released regarding the recent findings on the condition of Chris Benoit's brain, I would be embarrassed to work for a company that could be that evil or insensitive. Their statements follow:




"Today's attempt to explain that Chris Benoit's murder of his family was possibly caused by some form of dementia as a result of alleged concussions is speculative. WWE can certainly understand the anguish of a father having to deal with the fact that his son allegedly murdered his wife and young son, as Chris Benoit is alleged to have done. We respect the desire of that father to do whatever he can to find some explanation as to why his son might commit such horrible acts."




Jennifer McIntosh, a spokesperson for WWE was quoted as saying that WWE found, "no medical records of [Benoit] suffering a concussion. We don't have any answers as to why Chris did what he did. We're still awaiting the law enforcement investigation to be concluded."




Finally, some reasonable explanation as to what may have caused Chris to do what most believe he did. For those of us who knew Chris, the murder allegations were so out of character, that simple Roid Rage did not make sense as to the reason. Chris would have been among the last people that I would think could do what he is being accused of. The findings of the Brain biopsy finally gives some reliable possible explanation. Finally the legacy of a 40 year life and an incredible multi-year career may not be totally defined by his last 3 days on this rotten planet.




That is unless the WWE has their way. Suddenly they are trying to make sure everyone remembers Chris as the monster that committed those horrible crimes, and is trying to discount these recent findings that would show Chris as not a monster, but a victim of brain damage that contributed to the tragedy that befell Chris and his family.




The WWE with their statement is obviously, in my opinion, trying to discredit the findings by writing them all off as speculative (which all attempts to explain why Chris may have done what he was accused of will be). I believe they are trying to paint poor Chris' father as a desperate man reaching for straws. And, in my mind, most criminally, they are trying to insinuate that Chris has had no concussions in his career.




Well, the main reason for writing this bulletin, is to totally shoot down that last, and most criminal accusation. I personally know for a fact that Chris had at least 2 concussions in matches against me. Both times in the late 90's in WCW. Both concussions were caused by the diving headbutt. Both times they resulted in bloody noses from the move and when we got to the back to congratulate each other for the match, he told me that the headbutt had caused the bloody nose as well as a concussion.




I am one opponent. Chris probably did that move well over 1000 times in his career. He has also done it off the top of a steel cage a few times. He has taken tons of chair shots. Believe me, he has had a bunch of concussions, and for the WWE to try and insinuate that because no medical records exist to back that up that Chris has had no concussions, in my mind is criminal, disrespectful of their current slaves (I mean wrestlers), and worthy of a boycott of their product.




Regardless of the fact that the finishes to our matches are pre-determined, most wrestlers are very tough and physical, with Chris being no exception. We do not tell the office every time we get a concussion (nothing can really be done anyway...you go to the hospital and they "observe you.") It's a waste of time. I believe in my career, I had 12 concussions, and Chris was much more physical and intense than I was. I can only imagine how many he had.




Many wrestlers are afraid to report any injury. Many times, if you suffer an injury and must take time off, you are punished when you get back to action by being beaten consistently, or worse yet, fired while you are hurt (Brad Armstrong) or shortly after you return, with Eugene being the most recent example.


But, with all the press, and the government getting involved, will things change?




No. Wrestlers will continue to hide injuries, especially concussions. Wrestlers will continue to die at an unbelievable rate, and Vince will continue to have, in my opinion, the most EVIL lawyer on the planet, Jerry McDevitt, and this heartless broad, Jennifer McIntosh, put their spin on what's going on to protect his billions of dollars, insuring that more and more people will die prematurely. If that is not reason enough to boycott, I don't know what is.




Pleasant dreams Vince.

Outsider
09-07-2007, 08:55 AM
While I don't think Kanyon was coming from an exactly unbiased view, I would agree with a lot of what he said.

Kane Knight
09-07-2007, 09:24 AM
That was over the top and over dramatic. But it's probably the first thing that's written by him in ages that didn't include "Since I came out of the closet."

He's right in a lot of ways. Though if his primary reason to write this is that he knows Benoit suffered concussions in WCW, which it's not only feasable that WWE didn't know about it, it's probable, and making excuses for why Benoit might not have reported concussions, he's only helping prove WWE's claim, the one he sought to refute.

If I'm ever on Trial, Chris Kanyon is NOT the guy I want sticking up for me.

BigDaddyCool
09-07-2007, 10:20 AM
It has been my argument all along that Benoit's diving headbutt is a lot of what is to blame for his brain getting this scrambled, and he worked the majority of his career outside WWE. So the damage was probably done by then. And when he go to WWE, how would anyone in WWE know if he wasn't feeling up to par if he never told them.

Theo Dious
09-07-2007, 11:36 AM
BREAKING NEWS:
DARTH TEDIOUS STATEMENT REGARDING KANYON'S STATEMENT

I don't give a crap about anything Kanyon has to say.

That is all.

Kane Knight
09-07-2007, 11:39 AM
It has been my argument all along that Benoit's diving headbutt is a lot of what is to blame for his brain getting this scrambled, and he worked the majority of his career outside WWE. So the damage was probably done by then. And when he go to WWE, how would anyone in WWE know if he wasn't feeling up to par if he never told them.

I doubt the damage was already done. Not so much that his WWE career would be moot in terms of injuries.

Kane Knight
09-07-2007, 11:40 AM
BREAKING NEWS:
DARTH TEDIOUS STATEMENT REGARDING KANYON'S STATEMENT

I don't give a crap about anything inconvenient to my point of view.

That is all.

BigDaddyCool
09-07-2007, 11:45 AM
I doubt the damage was already done. Not so much that his WWE career would be moot in terms of injuries.

Let me retract and restate. I wonder if it is possible to get enough brain damage to make it seem like you constantly have a head ache or whatever, so much so that by the time he got WWE he wouldn't have noticed much of a change day to day.

RP
09-07-2007, 11:53 AM
Have you ever seen the flying headbutt? He hits the opponent on the shoulder. If he even hits them at all. Give me a break. His flying headbutt didnt cause brain damage. Anyone that ever watched Benoit perform the flying headbutt for the last 7 years or so would see that he rarely ever makes full contact with it.

The MAC
09-07-2007, 01:31 PM
What i want to know is : if his brain was so fucked how the hell did he even get through matches , remembering finishes etc? how did he do the promo's and not lose it...

Everybody around him said they never saw it coming.With so much fuckness on his brain surely someone would have noticed something.

this is bullshit.

BigDaddyCool
09-07-2007, 01:37 PM
Have you ever seen the flying headbutt? He hits the opponent on the shoulder. If he even hits them at all. Give me a break. His flying headbutt didnt cause brain damage. Anyone that ever watched Benoit perform the flying headbutt for the last 7 years or so would see that he rarely ever makes full contact with it.

Oh, I forgot, wrestler's shoulders are great padding. The auto indusrty is looking for a way to have a wrestler shoulder pop out of a steering wheel instead of an airbag. Shut up and go back to sucking Bob Sander's dick.

Loose Cannon
09-07-2007, 01:51 PM
lol

Kane Knight
09-07-2007, 01:56 PM
Oh, I forgot, wrestler's shoulders are great padding. The auto indusrty is looking for a way to have a wrestler shoulder pop out of a steering wheel instead of an airbag. Shut up and go back to sucking Bob Sander's dick.

Have you ever notice that the choulders on most country roads tend to save lives? :roll: Moron.

But seriously, most times, his headbutt clearly didn't actually connect, so RP's got a point. I'm not saying he's completely right, but he's definitely got a point.

BigDaddyCool
09-07-2007, 02:04 PM
Have you ever notice that the choulders on most country roads tend to save lives? :roll: Moron.

But seriously, most times, his headbutt clearly didn't actually connect, so RP's got a point. I'm not saying he's completely right, but he's definitely got a point.

I have no idea what a choulder is. Anyhow, I've made my argument, and I'm not changing it for any.

Kane Knight
09-07-2007, 02:10 PM
What i want to know is : if his brain was so fucked how the hell did he even get through matches , remembering finishes etc? how did he do the promo's and not lose it...

Everybody around him said they never saw it coming.With so much fuckness on his brain surely someone would have noticed something.

this is bullshit.

:wtf:

There were reports of him acting erratically, often paranoid, over the last year+ of his life. Some of his friends evidently did express concern.

Clearly, people did notice something. Did it affect his matches? His ability to remember finishes? Maybe, but people call things out in the middle of a match, and wrestlers generally help one another.

Or maybe it's because of the amazingly fucked up nature of the brain. His brain is being compared to that of an 85 year old with Alzheimer's, no?

There are people with Alzheimer's still capable of playing music despite deterioration so bad they don't remember their own family. I think if an advanced Alzheimer's case can play Chopin well, it's a safe bet that someone couple probably figure out how to end a bloody match.

Beyond that the question of why he didn't snap elsewhere? Well, if he did, he'd probably have hurt or killed someone, and we'd still be asking why he didn't do it before.

dablackguy
09-07-2007, 02:21 PM
WWE says that Benoit had no diagnosed concussions. Which is the most retarded thing you'll hear.

Of course WWE doesn't want to find any medical records of Benoit having concussions, because they'd probably find after being diagnosed, he was back wrestling a few days later. The last thing WWE wants is for the fact that they treat these guys like circus acts to be a public issue. Its like saying a football player with no diagnosed concussions had never had any.



What Kanyon had to say made a lot of sense, but he fell flat on his face trying to say it.

Gray
09-07-2007, 04:11 PM
I have no idea what a choulder is. Anyhow, I've made my argument, and I'm not changing it for any.

Probably UK variant of Chevrons - The warning arrows on bends :p

Vastardikai
09-07-2007, 11:18 PM
I bet I can read something where Mick Foley said he only had 7 "Documented" concussions, but he has had his bell rung several more times.

I think it was "Have a Nice Day."

Kane Knight
09-08-2007, 10:54 AM
WWE says that Benoit had no diagnosed concussions. Which is the most retarded thing you'll hear.

WWE says they have no record of him suffering concussions. Ummm...That's not all that retarded. In fact, Kanyon backs up why they might not know it.

dablackguy
09-08-2007, 12:14 PM
WWE says they have no record of him suffering concussions. Ummm...That's not all that retarded. In fact, Kanyon backs up why they might not know it.

Both concussions were caused by the diving headbutt. Both times they resulted in bloody noses from the move and when we got to the back to congratulate each other for the match, he told me that the headbutt had caused the bloody nose as well as a concussion.

I am one opponent. Chris probably did that move well over 1000 times in his career. He has also done it off the top of a steel cage a few times. He has taken tons of chair shots.

Is it possible he had undiagnosed concussions? Sure. Is it possible that they didn't know? Yup. Is it possible he didn't get any of these while under contract with WWE? Possible, but high unlikely.

Obviously being in the profession you run a risk of things like this happening, so while we can't say for sure that WWE had never diagnosed him with a concussion, we know its more than likely he had at least one while with them over the span of however many years he was there.

Kane Knight
09-08-2007, 12:49 PM
You're retarded.

WWE's statements never said he didn't suffer concussions on their watch. They said they found no medical records of such. Nobody's arguing, to my knowledge, that Benoit never had a concussion working for WWE. Kanyon's speculating, at best.

Either I'm missing the post where I said that Benoit never suffered a concussion in WWE, or you're just fucking stupid and arguing a point I never made, nor am I trying to make, nor was made by WWE in the first place.

There's also the possibility that you're just trying to defend your point through the magic of strawman logic, that is, making up an opposing point that is easy to "knock down" in lieu of the real one. Even then, you failed to successfully argue it, since you have to delve into the world of speculation to string your point along.

Kane Knight
09-08-2007, 12:51 PM
Also, unless they were conferring with Chris Kanyon on this matter, or someone has spoken up on the matter, how would lawyers and PR types for WWE have any fucking clue?

They never, after all, ruled it out. The statement was carefully worded, but in no way precluded it happening.

addy2hotty
09-09-2007, 01:24 PM
Kanyon is gay, his opinion is made irelevant by that point alone.

Kanyon - WWE is bad!

WWE - Chris Kanyon is gay.

We have a winner.

Kane Knight
09-09-2007, 02:41 PM
Kanyon is gay, his opinion is made irelevant by that point alone.

Kanyon - WWE is bad!

WWE - Chris Kanyon is gay.

We have a winner.

Dude. Vince gets off by having sweaty men rim him in the ring.

Come on, you couldn't be gayer than that if you sucked a bag of dicks.

YOUR Hero
09-09-2007, 02:59 PM
Sorry Kanyon but you are speculating far far more than WWE.

Xero
09-09-2007, 03:01 PM
Dude. Vince gets off by having sweaty men rim him in the ring.

Come on, you couldn't be gayer than that if you sucked a bag of dicks.
Vince's Official Stance on gay: I'm not gay, never have been gay, but gay people are funny.

Vince's real stance: I'm a closet homosexual basically playing with real-life half naked GI Joe dolls.

br0ken
09-10-2007, 09:56 PM
waht WWE do say is very safe and standard, they even say that Benoit speculates on killing his family. All is a very safe statement. **yes** they do not want to be thought as a company that scrambles the heads of it's employees but that only makes sence. They had to say something and waht they saying here is very proper