John Cena is the longest reigning WWE Champion in 12 years.

[Nick Venom]

John Cena
-- September 17, 2006 to present = 364 Days

Diesel
-- November 26th, 1994 to November 19th, 1995 = 358 Days

John Bradshaw Layfield
-- June 28th, 2004 to April 3rd, 2005 = 280 Days

John Cena
-- April 3rd, 2005 to January 8th, 2006 = 280 Days

Shawn Michaels
-- March 31st, 1996 to November 17th, 1996 = 231 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- April 1st, 2001 to September 23rd, 2001 = 175 Days

Brock Lesnar
-- September 16th, 2003 to February 15th, 2004 = 152 Days

Shawn Michaels
-- November 9th, 1997 to March 29th, 1998 = 141 Days

Bret Hart
-- November 19th, 1995 to March 31st, 1996 = 133 Days

John Cena
-- January 26th 2006 to June 11th, 2006 = 133 Days

The Undertaker
-- March 23rd, 1997 to August 3rd, 1997 = 133 Days

Eddie Guerrero
-- February 15th, 2004 to June 27th, 2004 = 133 Days

Kurt Angle
-- October 22nd, 2000 to February 25th, 2001 = 126 Days

The Rock
-- June 25th, 2000 to October 22nd, 2000 = 119 Days

Brock Lesnar
-- March 30th, 2003 to July 27th, 2003 = 119 Days

Triple H
-- January 3rd, 2000 to April 30th, 2000 = 118 Days

Kurt Angle
-- December 15th, 2002 to March 30th, 2003 = 105 Days

Chris Jericho
-- December 9th, 2001 to March 17th, 2002 = 99 Days

Bret Hart
-- August 3rd, 1997 to November 9th, 1997 = 98 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- March 29th, 1998 to June 28th, 1998 = 91 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- June 29th, 1998 to September 27th, 1998 = 90 Days

Brock Lesnar
-- August 25th, 2002 to November 17th, 2002 = 84 Days

Edge
-- July 3rd, 2006 - September 17th, 2006 = 76 Days

Sid
-- November 17th, 1996 to January 19th, 1997 = 63 Days

The Undertaker
-- May 19th, 2002 to July 21st, 2002 = 63 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- October 8th, 2001 to December 9th, 2001 = 62 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- March 28th, 1999 to May 23rd, 1999 = 57 Days

Stone Cold Steve Austin
-- June 28th, 1999 to August 22nd 1999 = 55 Days

Kurt Angle
-- July 27th, 2003 to September 16th, 2003 = 51 Days

The Big Show
-- November 14th, 1999 to January 3rd, 2000 = 50 Days

Triple H
-- September 26th, 1999 to November 14th, 1999 = 49 Days

The Rock
-- November 15th, 1998 to December 29th, 1998 = 44 Days

The Rock
-- February 15th, 1999 to March 28th, 1999 = 41 Days

The Undertaker
-- May 23rd, 1999 to June 28th, 1999 = 36 Days

Triple H
-- May 21st, 2000 to June 25th, 2000 = 35 Days

The Rock
-- February 25th, 2001 to April 1st, 2001 = 35 Days

Triple H
-- March 17th, 2002 to April 21st, 2002 = 35 Days

The Rock
-- July 21st, 2002 to August 25th, 2002 = 35 Days

Sid
-- February 17th, 1997 to March 23rd, 1997 = 34 Days

The Big Show
-- November 17th, 2002 to December 15th, 2002 = 29 Days

Hulk Hogan
-- April 21st, 2002 to May 19th, 2002 = 28 Days

Mankind
-- December 29th, 1998 to January 24th, 1999 = 26 Days

Shawn Michaels
-- January 19th, 1997 to February 13th, 1997 = 25 Days

The Rock
-- April 30th, 2000 to May 21st, 2000 = 22 Days

Triple H
-- August 23rd, 1999 to September 14th, 1999 = 22 Days

RVD
-- June 11th, 2006 to July 3rd, 2006 = 22 Days

Edge
-- January 26th, 2006 to January 29th, 2006 = 21 Days

Mankind
-- January 26th, 1999 to February 15th, 1999 = 20 Days

Kurt Angle
-- September 23rd, 2001 to October 8th, 2001 = 15 Days

Vince McMahon
-- September 14th, 1999 to September 20th, 1999 = 6 Days

The Rock
-- January 24th, 1999 to January 26th, 1999 = 2 Days

Bret Hart
-- February 16th, 1997 to February 17th, 1997 = 1 Day

Kane
-- June 27th, 1998 to June 28th, 1998 = 1 Day

Mankind
-- August 22nd, 1999 to August 23rd, 1999 = 1 Day

Wow...

[Xero]

One more day and it'll be a year. :nono:

[IC Champion]

I'm officially a Cena Mark.

RAW will now be good, and will be less dissappointing.

[KingofOldSchool]

Cena has held the title for a combined 1142 days.

[owenbrown]

Cena has held the title for a combined 1142 days.

Which is probably now that I think about it, 1141 days too long... :shifty:

[IC Champion]

Cena has held the title for a combined 1142 days.
*shutters*

Seriously, his title reign, has put him in a class he doesn't deserve, and even with the strap for 1142 days, the cock sucker still isn't over like he should be. If you ask me, if not for the girls and little boys buying his shit by the crate, he would be a flop.

[The One]

IC, his reigns have taken WWE's flagship show to record challenging lows. Even with that shit, he's a flop.

[IC Champion]

IC, his reigns have taken WWE's flagship show to record challenging lows. Even with that shit, he's a flop.
That's what I was refering to.

[Shaggy]

*Prays for Orton to get the belt tonight*

[DAMN iNATOR]

*Prays for Orton to get the belt tonight*

then again besides the women and children, who the fuck isn’t?

[Sephiroth]

Dammit, let Y2J come back and win the fuckin title.

Now, that would be a mark out moment, imo.

Cena sets Orton up for the FU, then Y2J comes in and puts him in the Walls Of Jericho. That alone would be a mark out fucking moment.

[IC Champion]

Me.

[Slow]

It just brings a tear to my eye that Cena had a longer title reign than Diesel.

That's pretty messed up, even by vince's standards

[Slow]

Me.

Yeah, although i'd still say Orton is the lesser of two evils, Cena's reign could go on forever, whereas Orton would lose it as soon as HBK came back


hopefully

[Xero]

Dammit, let Y2J come back and win the fuckin title.

Now, that would be a mark out moment, imo.

Cena sets Orton up for the FU, then Y2J comes in and puts him in the Walls Of Jericho. That alone would be a mark out fucking moment.
They should have Cena cut a cocky promo on RAW about how he's been champion for a full year and no one can beat him. He then issues an open challenge and wants a real fight, because he's a fighting champion.

Countdown, Y2J, staredown, brawl. Sets up Cena's fall at No Mercy or whatever the fuck the next PPV is.

[IC Champion]

Yeah, although i'd still say Orton is the lesser of two evils, Cena's reign could go on forever, whereas Orton would lose it as soon as HBK came back


hopefully
In a perfect world, in a perfect world.

[Sephiroth]

They should have Cena cut a cocky promo on RAW about how he's been champion for a full year and no one can beat him. He then issues an open challenge and wants a real fight, because he's a fighting champion.

Countdown, Y2J, staredown, brawl. Sets up Cena's fall at No Mercy or whatever the fuck the next PPV is.


Yeah, that could give me a :drool: moment.

Y2J back in the WWE, is probably the best thing that could happen.

[Nick Venom]

It's longer than 12 years, obviously, since he's passed Diesel. It's the longest in 17 years, since Hulk Hogan held it for 364 days as well (4/2/89 to 4/1/90). If he retains tonight, he'd pass Randy Savage (3/27/88 to 4/1/89) later this week for the longest reign since Hogan's four-year run in 1984-88.

[The MAC]

hopefully he will contract some kind of cancer from the metal used in the belt and wither up and die.

[DAMN iNATOR]

hopefully he will contract some kind of cancer from the metal used in the belt and wither up and die.

Blingtonite?

[Xero]

Cena's only weakness is his prominently white upbringing.

[addy2hotty]

But he has an advantage in that he's a PHD in Thugonomics.

[br0ken]

I wonder what br0ken thinks about this :?:

[SammyG]

Yeah I think he's dropping the belt tonight, unfortunately :(

[Shaggy]

My cousin is thinking that Orton is gonna nail the RKO when Cena flips him over in the FU....

That is what he thought would happen last time but hopefully it will happen tonight.

[Disturbed316]

Seeing Kane's one day reign depresses me. He was awesome back in the day.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It just brings a tear to my eye that Cena had a longer title reign than Diesel.

That's pretty messed up, even by vince's standards

Yeah seriously, Diesel should have never had a reign that long.

[Corndad]

I'm sure this will rev up all those Nash guys but I think it's funny as the two longest holders may be two of the worst champions on the list.

[Tommy Gunn]

I think the only way Cena will drop the title will be if he is...

a) injured
b) suspended
c) goes to make another shit movie

I think (c) is the most likely.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cena really isn't a bad champion, though. It's just the fact that's he's been the champion for so freakin' long.

[br0ken]

But it better to have a strong title than a weak one having a championship change hands lots is not good. Many time the title stays with one person a long time so this is not new.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I really think it would soften the blow for a lot of people if the belt didn't spin.

[br0ken]

I agree that it not a good idea to ever change to look of the titles. Cena is not the first one, but his is the most explosive change. WCW has the best ever belt with the name plate. That is what a belt should look like.

[br0ken]

OK, because changing the belt makes it look weak. The person is never bigger than the belt. By chnging the belt for the person is wrong, makes the person stronger that the belg. **BAD IDEA**

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, exactly. So Cena having the belt doesn't really make the belt look stronger. It just makes Cena look stronger. It got even more ridiculous when he dropped it to two different people, and they kept the spinner belt. Admittedly, Edge's Rated R belt looked pretty damn cool, but the fact that they didn't even bother to change the look of the belt seems as if Cena had set a new standard for being a champion.

[br0ken]

So other people win the belt and keep it as a spinner :?: That is very dum.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well, Edge did it and Rob Van Dam did it. No telling what the next champ will do.

[XL]

But it better to have a strong title than a weak one having a championship change hands lots is not good. Many time the title stays with one person a long time so this is not new.
I don't fully agree with that tbh.

If there are a number of guys right at the top of the card (like in the attitude era with Rock, Austin, Taker, Kane, Mankind, HHH) and the title keeps switching I don't see the problem.

I think a lot of the credibility for a title is in who holds it (not how many people or for how long). So in this case, regardless of the length of the reign he has had, the WWE has little credibility with me cos Cena has it.

[XL]

Well, Edge did it and Rob Van Dam did it. No telling what the next champ will do.
I was hoping Orton would have won it at SummerSlam and replaced it with a more standard belt.

Although, if he wins it tonight no doubt the guys at WWE will replace the centrepiece with the nWo style RKO symbol.

[br0ken]

I don't fully agree with that tbh.

If there are a number of guys right at the top of the card (like in the attitude era with Rock, Austin, Taker, Kane, Mankind, HHH) and the title keeps switching I don't see the problem.

I think a lot of the credibility for a title is in who holds it (not how many people or for how long). So in this case, regardless of the length of the reign he has had, the WWE has little credibility with me cos Cena has it.

Sometimes it make sence to have the title change more often and abck and forth, you are right. But not all the time. The champ must be stable after a while.

[XL]

Vince McMahon
-- September 14th, 1999 to September 20th, 1999 = 6 Days

Kane
-- June 27th, 1998 to June 28th, 1998 = 1 Day

lol Kane will have to look back at that when he retires.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I remember being SO pissed when Kane won the title, but so relieved when Austin won it back the next night.

[XL]

Sometimes it make sence to have the title change more often and abck and forth, you are right. But not all the time. The champ must be stable after a while.
Not if said champ is "Bland as Butter" Babyface Cena!

[br0ken]

Not if said champ is "Bland as Butter" Babyface Cena!

that is a opinion. Because I think he is good. I think me and you agree on other things, just maybe not who it is that has the champion belt.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I too am a fan of Cena, but even still, I can see a title change being a good thing. I'm salivating at the thought of his eventual heel turn. It'll be amazing whenever it happens.

[Mercury Bullet]

Wow, I also love how Cena is up there THREE times in the top TEN.

:mad:

[Anybody Thrilla]

Does anybody have Hogan's numbers previous to those?

[XL]

Don't get me wrong, unlike a lot of people here who flat out hate the guy, I quite like Cena.

I just wish they'd run with something other than the "Good-as-gold-overcome-the-odds-even-when-the're-stacked-so-heavily-against-him Superman" gimmick. Which I imagine is the same way a lot of people feel.

So basically...
John Cena the person I like.
John Cena the wrestler I don't dislike.
John Cena pulling a HHH and filling the Main Event for 3 years I don't like.

[br0ken]

I only watch wreslting again for the first time in a long time. So I don;t know what Hhh did before all that well. But maybe people are just mad about HHH still and not about Cena.

All I know is I like Cena since I start watching again I find his parts better than the other parts.

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't hate Cena, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the dominant run he has been given. Nobody deserves that kind of a dominant run, not right now in the WWE anyway. Also, it would be one thing if he was massively over and everybody loved seeing him night in and night out. He is not massively over though. He is thoroughly resented by a large amount of the fan base to the point where he alone has a large part of the responsibility of the rating being at some of the lowest points ever. People are just sick of seeing him and they really need to do something about it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I just wish they'd run with something other than the "Good-as-gold-overcome-the-odds-even-when-the're-stacked-so-heavily-against-him Superman" gimmick.

Indeed, that's why this Randy Orton feud has been somewhat refreshing.

Also, I still wouldn't call it pulling a Triple H though, because I really don't think keeping the title on him is ever his own suggestion. The company's just ridiculously high on him, and he didn't even have to start a gay relationship with Shane or Hornswoggle.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't hate Cena, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the dominant run he has been given. Nobody deserves that kind of a dominant run, not right now in the WWE anyway. Also, it would be one thing if he was massively over and everybody loved seeing him night in and night out. He is not massively over though. He is thoroughly resented by a large amount of the fan base to the point where he alone has a large part of the responsibility of the rating being at some of the lowest points ever. People are just sick of seeing him and they really need to do something about it.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there really anybody massively over enough right now that could do better than he has been doing?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I only watch wreslting again for the first time in a long time. So I don;t know what Hhh did before all that well. But maybe people are just mad about HHH still and not about Cena.

All I know is I like Cena since I start watching again I find his parts better than the other parts.

Well this makes sense. When Cena first won the title, everybody was ecstatic over it. It was the next three years or so of constant Cena ass kicking that put a ton of people off to him. Somehow, I've managed to remain a fan of his through all the "controversy" (as J.R. would call it), but I will still be pulling for Randy Orton tonight. It's just time to try something new.

[XL]

Indeed, that's why this Randy Orton feud has been somewhat refreshing.

Also, I still wouldn't call it pulling a Triple H though, because I really don't think keeping the title on him is ever his own suggestion. The company's just ridiculously high on him, and he didn't even have to start a gay relationship with Shane or Hornswoggle.
Yeah, I though that what I said might come off like that.

I didn't mean just like HHH cos obviously that had a lot to do with politics. I know it's not Cena's choice. I imagine he begs to change things up a little after hearing the thunderous boos from the majority of the crowd.

I just compared them with regards to their position and length of time rather than the reasons that led to this.

[br0ken]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there really anybody massively over enough right now that could do better than he has been doing?

*yes*

:y:

[Anybody Thrilla]

Word....that's another thing I wonder about, though. Do you guys think that Cena ever pushes to drop the belt? Or do you think he just rides the wave? I imagine you get paid better as the champ, right?

[XL]

I don't hate Cena, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the dominant run he has been given.
Yeah, that's where a lot of my dislike comes from.

I look back and think about wrestling greats such as Rick Rude and Curt Hennig who didn't even get a sniff of the title. Guys that could out promo and out wrestle Cena but never got the chance at The Big One.

[br0ken]

It human nature to want to be the best so I don't think he would but u never know.

[XL]

Word....that's another thing I wonder about, though. Do you guys think that Cena ever pushes to drop the belt? Or do you think he just rides the wave? I imagine you get paid better as the champ, right?
I don't see why you'd get paid more as champ as it is a non-legit sport but I guess you could based on that you are "the man" for the company.

I'd guess that Cena has probably had a few meetings with Vince and "Creative" about his situation. I doubt he would have wanted to drop the title but I could imagine him wanting to tweak his character or even turn fully heel.

[FourFifty]

I swear to God if Cena drops the title tonight I'm going to donate 50 bucks to St. Jude's Children's Reseach Hopsital.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't see the correlation there, but a nice gesture none the less.

[FourFifty]

I don't see the correlation there, but a nice gesture none the less.


I'm sick of seeing Cena with the strap, and I'm sick of the spinner belt.
No, there is no connection with St. Jude's Children's Resarch Hospital and Cena as champion. But if he drops the title tonight I'll be so thankful that I'll donate the cash.
It doesn't have to be to Orton. It could be the greatest work-shoot ever and have Kennedy take the title somehow, or even the return of the greatest midget ever, Dink.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Max Mini > Dink

[br0ken]

and people say I am dum :?:

[FourFifty]

Max Mini > Dink

In Mexico, yea, but here in the states (or "El Stateos" as they say in Mexico) it's Dink, followed up by Mini Goldust.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Dink is Canadian.

[IC Champion]

Im still pondering whether or not to waste 45 bucks on watching Cena lose.

[Anybody Thrilla]

OMG, are they really 45 bucks now?

[Crossrine]

If he ever does lose it will they even bother changing the belt? Or will he fly back into the ring and retain after 1 night??

[IC Champion]

OMG, are they really 45 bucks now?
45 Canadian, which should be about the same American, since our dollar is about even with yours.

[Xero]

$39 American...

[IC Champion]

Yeah, It;s 39.99 plus tax.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Oh, right on...I was thinking there was no way they raised prices again. I remember back when In Your House was only 15 bucks. 2 hours, but 15 bucks.

[XL]

45 Canadian, which should be about the same American, since our dollar is about even with yours.
Wow! Things are bad over there if the US dollar is equal to the Canadian one!

[br0ken]

I try to find the answer for you Thrilla about Hogan but wiki mumbles and I can't figure it out.

[Nick Venom]

Does anybody have Hogan's numbers previous to those?

* = not counting WWE World Heavyweight Championship wins ; only WWF/E Championship wins

Most Championships:
1. The Rock (7)
2(t). Hulk Hogan (6)
2(t). Steve Austin (6)
4(t). Triple H (5)*
4(t). Bret Hart (5)
6(t). The Undertaker (4)*
6(t). Kurt Angle (4)*

Longest Single Reign (days):
1. Bruno Sammartino (2,803)
2. Bob Backlund (2,135)
3. Hulk Hogan (1,474)
4. Bruno Sammartino (1,237)
5. Pedro Morales (1,027)

Longest Combined Reign (days):
1. Bruno Sammartino (2 for 4,040)
2. Hulk Hogan (6 for 2,185)
3. Bob Backlund (2 for 2,137)
4. Pedro Morales (1 for 1,027)
5. John Cena (3 for 777)
6. Bret Hart (5 for 654)

From 1984-88, Hogan held the belt for 1,474 days.

[Johnny Vegas]

nah dude
lol i thought hhh would've been at least 3rd

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>God I hope Cena's not in line for a 7+ year Sammartino reign :o

Otherwise I'll just consider IC champ to be the champion of the company since the WWE Title is frozen</font>

[Tommy Gunn]

I think the reason Cena is still champion is because WWE have no idea what else to do with him. He only works as a champion, and if not that then title challenger.

The WWE have failed to build decent heel main eventers with the exception of Edge and Randy Orton.

They do have a hell of a lot of upper mid carders, but none of them have been given the right program to move up to the main event.

The fact that Cena had two feuds with babyfaces this year should show how lacking Raw is in main event heels.

[Kane Knight]

I don't hate Cena, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the dominant run he has been given. Nobody deserves that kind of a dominant run, not right now in the WWE anyway. Also, it would be one thing if he was massively over and everybody loved seeing him night in and night out. He is not massively over though. He is thoroughly resented by a large amount of the fan base to the point where he alone has a large part of the responsibility of the rating being at some of the lowest points ever. People are just sick of seeing him and they really need to do something about it.

:y:

The sad thing is, you'll just have to explain this again in three weeks.

[Theo Dious]

Also, I still wouldn't call it pulling a Triple H though, because I really don't think keeping the title on him is ever his own suggestion. The company's just ridiculously high on him, and he didn't even have to start a gay relationship with Shane or Hornswoggle.

The 'Swog is all about pussy, god dammit. :mad:

[Nick Venom]

I just updated that list. Cena has surpassed Bret Hart.

[Kane Knight]

I could surpsass BRet Hart. Among other things, I can take a shot to the head without dying. :shifty:

[Anybody Thrilla]

That was neither funny nor pertinent. Shame on you, Kane Knight.

[Jura]

I could surpsass BRet Hart. Among other things, I can take a shot to the head without dying. :shifty:
I would like to test this, if you don't mind.

[Mercury Bullet]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there really anybody massively over enough right now that could do better than he has been doing?

No, there isn't. Nobody is well liked enough to just tear through everybody the way he has. But, that was my point. Nobody, not Cena, not Orton, not Triple H, not Taker, not anybody should be on the dominant run he has been on. I think the entire company would be in much better standing had they "distributed the wealth" a little better.

[Mercury Bullet]

I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.

[The MAC]

cena > bret ?discuss

[BigDaddyCool]

No, there isn't. Nobody is well liked enough to just tear through everybody the way he has. But, that was my point. Nobody, not Cena, not Orton, not Triple H, not Taker, not anybody should be on the dominant run he has been on. I think the entire company would be in much better standing had they "distributed the wealth" a little better.

Also at this point, no one besides Edge has fared well against Cena. And Edge barely and weakly got over Cena only to lose the title back to him. I should point out that RVD only won the title from Cena on his own terms and with the help of Edge. Also, Cena has beaten Edge more times than naught. So at this point, there is no one on the roster that even looks like a credible contender, and that is the entire roster. I mean if you look at Smackdown, Cena beat Kahli twice, while Kahli sucessfully retained his title from Batista multiple times. Plus Batista needed 8 shots to win the title. So on paper Cena destories Batista. And of course the rest of Smackdown's roster isn't good enough to be a number 1 contender without Batista also being in the match.

So basically with the Cena's superman push, and Batista being constantly #1 contender for 5 months, they have basically cemented Cena as the only credible person on the entire roster.

[Kane Knight]

I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.

Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.

Triple H was a heel. The argument was "He's SUPPOSED to get booed, dumbass! He's SUPPOSED to tank the ratings."

And to be honest, the IWC is so fucking retarded that if John Cena were to insult the IWC, 80% of the wankers on here would fawn over Cena the way they fawn over Trips.

[Mercury Bullet]

Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.

Good point, very true. But at the same time, a heel should be resented at least a little bit. A babyface superhero shouldn't bear hardly any resentment.

[JT]

Seeing Kane's one day reign depresses me. He was awesome back in the day.


I still cheer him these days more than rest of the roster, and he doesn't even win matches anymore.

Seriously, wtf? Only muscular, giant monster we actually like, and he never gets anywhere...it's like WWE takes lessons from the Andy Kaufman handbook when dealing with fans.

[JT]

I really think it would soften the blow for a lot of people if the belt didn't spin.
:y:

[Kane Knight]

But at the same time, we're talking about something that is apparent with only one of the two.

Heels should be resented, but the point remains, you can't tell if people are "resenting" a heel or want him off TV. Well, you can, but not by boos. A face getting booed is obviously not doing his job. A heel getting booed could very well be doing his job.

In Trips' case, he hurt ratings by being on TV, and probably will again once the injury return is over. Cena, at least, has an excuse for being on top in low ratings. Now, his QHs may tank like Trips have in the past, but I don't have that information. However, the fact is, Trips was losing ratings back when the show was pulling in twice as many people as the show does now. Cena's on top in a lackluster show, and can't solely be blamed for the ratings. Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I really think it would soften the blow for a lot of people if the belt didn't spin.

But without the “Pokémon effect” of the “shiny new belt glare” and the “spinner”, http://pauked.com/blog/files/WWE_2DRaw_2DLogo.jpg wouldn’t have a weekly audience, and that's sad.:'( Or is it ?

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Well, at any rate we're gonna get Friday in there, see if he can get this kid, Cena to crack, tell em where he hides his title.

[Mercury Bullet]

Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.

Exactly.

But if Cena were around, say 7-10 years ago there would be no Rock, Austin, Taker, or anybody else. Not the same hated/resented Cena there is today. Either Cena would be sharing the main event with those people, or Cena would be mowing them down and dominating just as he is now. So The Rock or Austin continually jobbing to Cena wouldn't be the same Rock or Austin that we actually experienced, and it would have been the same then as it is now.

It would just be A LOT better if at least one person looked to be his equal and could take the belt away for an extended period of time. They almost built Orton up as this person, but then have him win via DQ because Cena was beating him to mercilessly in the corner :|

[JT]

I only watch wreslting again for the first time in a long time. So I don;t know what Hhh did before all that well. But maybe people are just mad about HHH still and not about Cena.

All I know is I like Cena since I start watching again I find his parts better than the other parts.


Ummm...no. We don't like having stuff forced down our throats...even if at one point we liked it. We didn't like having to watch HHH dominate Raw for 2 years, dominate over every opponent till no one seemed a threat, and not leave the main event scene till an injury took him out. He was forced upon us every week, even though fan opinion was we didn't want him. The same goes for Cena now...he rose to the top at one point because he had a very entertaining character, but it grew stale...and when we started to boo to show we wanted something new...we were ignored as they just forced Cena to the top, gave him the more modern day Hogan gimmick, and...forced him down our throats.

I still argue if the man had been turned heel when he was getting stale, and maybe even now in our rejuvination of hatred...we might like him again. But as long as WWE pushes him as the good guy while it's obvious we want someone new...we are going to boo, mock, and dislike him.

[Zen v.W.o.]

cena > bret ?discuss


Nothing to discuss, the answer is a simple no.

Here is the catch all list for all world titles:

World Titles.


Code:
Rank ↓ Wrestler ↓ Total ↓ AWA ↓ ECW ↓ NWA ↓ TNA ↓ WCW ↓ WWE ↓ World (WWE) ↓ Days Held ↓
1. Verne Gagne 10 10 4,690
2. Bruno Sammartino 2 2 4,040
3. Lou Thesz 3 3 3,749
4. Ric Flair 16 7 7 2 3,500
5. Hulk Hogan 12 6 6 3,362
6. Nick Bockwinkel 4 4 2,990
7. Bob Backlund 2 2 2,138
8. Harley Race 8 8 1,801
9. Dory Funk, Jr. 1 1 1,563
10. Pat O'Connor 2 1 1 1,488
11. Gene Kiniski 2 1 1 1,159
12. Jeff Jarrett 10 6 4 1,063
13. Pedro Morales 1 1 1,027
14. Triple H 10 5 5 875
15. Jack Brisco 2 2 867
16. John Cena (WWE) 3 3 777+
17. Maurice Vachon 5 5 775
18. Orville Brown 1 1 692
19. Bret Hart 7 2 5 679
20. Larry Zbyszko 2 2 616
21. Rick Martel 1 1 595
22. Buddy Rogers 2 1 1 592
23. Randy Savage 6 4 2 573
24. Steve Austin 6 6 529
25. Kurt Angle (TNA)7 1 1 4 1 476+
26. Sting 8 2 6 466
27. Kevin Nash 6 5 1 456
28. Terry Funk 1 1 424
29. Shawn Michaels 4 3 1 424
30. Dick Hutton 1 1 421
31. Batista 2 2 408
32. The Rock 9 2 7 394
33. Big Van Vader 3 3 387
34. King Booker 6 5 1 379
35. Curt Hennig 1 1 373
36. Brock Lesnar 3 3 355
37. Billy Graham 1 1 296
38. Ultimate Warrior1 1 293
39. Yokozuna 2 2 281
40. JBL 1 1 280
41. The Undertaker 5 4 1 275
42. Taz 2 2 261
43. Goldberg 2 1 1 258
44. Jerry Lawler 1 1 256
45. Christian Cage 2 2 245
46. Billy Watson 1 1 239
47. Lex Luger 2 2 235
48. Mr. M 1 1 224
49. Mike Awesome 2 2 201
50. The Big Show 4 2 2 196
51. A.J. Styles 3 3 196
52. Stan Hansen 1 1 181
53. Sid Vicious 4 2 2 174
54. Edge 3 2 1 167
55. Justin Credible 1 1 162
56. Chris Benoit 2 1 1 155
57. Ron Simmons 1 1 151
58. Eddie Guerrero 1 1 133
59. Scott Steiner 1 1 120
60. Ron Killings 2 2 119
61. Chris Jericho 3 2 1 1 141
62. Rey Mysterio 1 1 112
63. The Crusher 3 3 110
64. Dusty Rhodes 3 3 107
65. Rhino 2 1 1 96
66. Raven 1 1 88
67. Ricky Steamboat 1 1 76
68. Sgt. Slaughter 1 1 64
69. Steve Corino 1 1 63
70. Ron Garvin 1 1 62
71. The Great Khali 1 1 61+
72. Masa Saito 1 1 57
73. Abyss 1 1 56
74. Ken Shamrock 1 1 49
75. Mankind 3 3 47
76. Otto Wanz 1 1 41
77. Jerry Lynn 1 1 35
78. DDP 3 3 29
79. The Iron Sheik 1 1 28
80. Randy Orton 1 1 28
81. Rob Van Dam 1 1 22
82. Ivan Koloff 1 1 21
83. Kerry Von Erich 1 1 18
84. Giant Baba 3 3 17
85. Adam Pearce 1 1 15+
86. Dr. X 1 1 14
87. Fritz Von Erich 1 1 12
88. David Arquette 1 1 12
89. Stan Stasiak 1 1 9
90. Mighty Igor Vodic1 1 7
91. Dick the Bruiser1 1 7
92. Vince Russo 1 1 7
93. Vince McMahon 1 1 6
94. Masato Tanaka 1 1 6
95. Tommy Rich 1 1 4
96. André the Giant 1 1 1
97. Kane 1 1 1
98. Tommy Dreamer 1 1 1
99. The Sandman 1 1 1

[Mercury Bullet]

^ The highest ranking active wrestler (excluding Flair)...

Jeff Jarrett.

Rofl.