View Full Version : Should wrestling have an off-season?
Mr. Pierre
09-26-2007, 05:42 PM
I saw that Lance Storm had a commentary up on the subject and I thought about it too, so I figured I'd ask what everyone thought.
A lot of guys in wrestling say they are "burnt out" from the schedule all the time, and the hassle on their minds and bodies all year round is a lot to handle. But if there were an off-season, WWE would obviously lose a lot of money for taking time off, but at the same time they'd have a much more healthy business going on (I'm pretty sure WWE would choose the millions of lost dollars over a 3 month break though, but in the future, who knows?)
If they were to take a break, I'd assume that their last show of the year would be WrestleMania, and maybe they could start back up again in the very beginning of July, which gives them plenty of time to build up Summerslam.
Personally, I love watching year-round and having something to watch all the time, but I understand that some guys would want it. So, I'm a bit split on the subject.
Thoughts?
chrisat928
09-26-2007, 05:50 PM
I was think the same thing. Take a few months off after Wrestlemania and start up again abou ta month and a half from SummerSlam.
There should be less PPVs too. Keep the big four, RR, WM, SS, and SS. Maybe have one in December, and October.
BigDaddyCool
09-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Not an off season, maybe give wrestlers a week off here and there so it won't fuck up story lines so much.
Outsider
09-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Yeah, it would be far more sensible to give every wrestler a week off every month or two, on a rota of certain people each week (with the exception of PPV weeks). Would not make much difference to fueds and would probably help with the burn out and also giving wrestlers a week with their families every month would probably help morale as well.
Russenmafia
09-26-2007, 06:05 PM
Mr Kennedy suggested to have a week off every quarter which sounds like a great idea as I think the WWE schedule is too long. Im sure before the wrestlers take the week off they can do supershow tv taping and tape the weeks tv in the one night allowing the talent to get a well deserved rest. If Congress are to look into wrestling, I hope they force something like this on Vince to give his workers holidays like normal people.
Mercury Bullet
09-26-2007, 06:23 PM
They could also just NOT TRAVEL so freakin' much. Here is the schedule for November: (Starting with the last show of October)
1st, note the jump ACROSS COUNTRY from NY to CA.
Tue, Oct 30
WWE Presents SmackDown & ECW - Long Island, N.Y. 7:30 p.m.
Sat, Nov 3
WWE presents Raw Live! - San Diego, Calif. 7:30 p.m.
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW Live! - Redding, Calif. 7:30 p.m.
Sun, Nov 4
WWE presents RAW Live - San Bernardino, Calif. 5:00 p.m.
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW Live! - Stockton, Calif. 6:00 p.m.
Mon, Nov 5
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Los Angeles, Calif. 5:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 6
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW - Bakersfield, Calif. 6:45 p.m.
Mon, Nov 12
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Topeka, Kan. 7:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 13
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW - Wichita, Kan.
Sat, Nov 17
WWE presents Supershow - Fort Myers, Fla. 7:30 p.m.
Sun, Nov 18
WWE presents Survivor Series - Miami, Fla. 7:45 p.m.
Mon, Nov 19
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Fort Lauderdale, Fla. 8:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 20
CW 44 Presents SmackDown - Tampa, Fla. 7:30 p.m.
Sat, Nov 24
WWE presents RAW Live! - Augusta, Ga. 7:30 p.m.
Sun, Nov 25
WWE presents RAW LIVE - Greenville, S.C. 6:00 p.m.
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW Live! - Charleston, W.Va. 5:00 p.m. Mon, Nov 26
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Charlotte, N.C. 8:00 p.m.
Now, What if that looked like this:
Tue, Oct 30
WWE Presents SmackDown & ECW - Long Island, N.Y. 7:30 p.m.
Sat, Nov 3
WWE presents Raw Live! - Trenton, NJ 6:30 p.m.
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW Live! - Trenton, NJ 9:30 p.m.
(That's right, SAME FUCKING PLACE)
Sun, Nov 4
NO FUCKING EVENTS
Mon, Nov 5
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Philadelphia, PA 5:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 6
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW - Harrisburg, PA 6:45 p.m.
Mon, Nov 12
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Baltimore, MD 7:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 13
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW - Washington D.C.
Sat, Nov 17
WWE presents Supershow - Pittsburg, PA 7:30 p.m.
Sun, Nov 18
WWE presents Survivor Series - Cleveland, OH 7:45 p.m.
Mon, Nov 19
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Colombus, OH 8:00 p.m.
Tue, Nov 20
CW 44 Presents SmackDown - Cincinnati, OH 7:30 p.m.
Sat, Nov 24
WWE presents RAW Live! - Dayton, OH 7:30 p.m.
Sun, Nov 25
WWE presents RAW LIVE - Indianapolis, IN 6:00 p.m.
WWE presents SmackDown/ECW Live! - Indianapolis, IN. 9:00 p.m. Mon, Nov 26
Mon, Nov 26
WWE presents Monday Night RAW - Chicago, IL 8:00 p.m.
No major moves in a short amount of time, no excess house shows, and everybody travels together.
Blue Demon
09-26-2007, 06:42 PM
I've always thought of this (and perhaps it would work better with one roster?):
Perhaps break up the roster into two groups and alternate the groups every other weekend. IE group A does the house shows this weekend, group B does the house shows the next weekend, etc., etc.
Johnny Vegas
09-26-2007, 06:43 PM
I think it is a great idea. Wrestlers should be looked at like "professional" athletes who have off-seasons. I don't know what is going through the minds of Vince wanting these guys to bust their asses day in and day out and not even get retirement pension, pay for their own hotels/travel, etc. I do think that the WrestleMania being the last show and the Month of Summerslam should start it back up.
But Vince isn't going to go for it because instead of 1 Billion dollars a year, he wants 1.2 Billion.
Kane Knight
09-26-2007, 06:47 PM
They could also just NOT TRAVEL so freakin' much. Here is the schedule for November: (Starting with the last show of October)
Yeah, was gonna mention this.
The TV Tapings are bad, but you consider that's two dates a week, three on PPV weeks. There's plenty of time to recover, especiallly when you consider the number of people who appear on all thr programming.
But WWE are carnies, and so they do like 25 show dates a month. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Johnny Vegas
09-26-2007, 06:48 PM
And it will DEFINITELY help out the writing team so that they have time to think out what they want to happen for the next season. Many people don't know how hard it is to be a 52 week/yr. writer. This way, the product will be MUCH better, the wrestlers will enjoy their profession more than they already do, the percentage of deaths and causes of death from overuses, fatigue, painkillers, etc. will decrease, and fans will want to tune in even more because the schedule is now a "season".
Kane Knight
09-26-2007, 08:00 PM
And it will DEFINITELY help out the writing team so that they have time to think out what they want to happen for the next season. Many people don't know how hard it is to be a 52 week/yr. writer. This way, the product will be MUCH better, the wrestlers will enjoy their profession more than they already do, the percentage of deaths and causes of death from overuses, fatigue, painkillers, etc. will decrease, and fans will want to tune in even more because the schedule is now a "season".
You know, I gotta say. If all I had to do for a living was write two hours of programming a week (There's no crossover in the writing teams, is there?), I wouldn't be that hard pressed. You keep in mind there are people who have been doing this for years, with little pressure.
The real writing issue is that Vince has gotten rid of almost all the seasoned writers and replaced them by yes men, and no time constraints are going to change the shitty writing.
FourFifty
09-26-2007, 08:03 PM
No, wrestling shouldn't have an off season. However, they should have a week off every month or two. Triple H was out for 8 months and the company didn't go bankrupt. By WWE standards they could give anyone a week off and it won't matter. Let them request a week off if they have stuff to do, and if they opt to miss a PPV payoff, oh well.
If they're part of a storyline, then for the week they're off have them cut a prerecorded promo. Shouldn't be a prob.
RVDmark
09-26-2007, 08:45 PM
Personally I would have all house shows as tri-branded. The Weekly main shows (RAW,SD,ECW) would remain seperate (for the puprose off this anyway, personally I'd like to see the brand split go away forever). A 3 month break I think would kill WWE, if we all got used to not watching RAW for 3 months we probably wouldn't go back. Also TPWW would be very quiet, eerie almost. Not only that, you would have to get TNA on side with the 3 month break or they would make too much of an opportunity out of it. 2 hour timeslot, no competition for 3 months could make TNA too big, and Vince knows it.
Johnny Vegas
09-26-2007, 09:20 PM
So why are the simpsons still on? Family guy, Southpark, Seinfield. Hell, the NFL. I could go on, but what i'm saying is it is the product that keeps viewers, not how LONG it is ran within the 12 mo. span. As far as what to talk about during the offseason, that is when they should come out with "season" dvds to keep us interested.
Chuck Jones
09-26-2007, 09:30 PM
I was listening to Live Audio Wrestling (Canadian Wrestling/MMA radio show) about a month ago, and one of the suggestions was from one of the hosts (who also does the fight network commentary of NOAH) siggested maybe doing the Japanese style of touring. They guys wrestle for a few weeks, and then they get a few weeks off to recouperate.
Or, who not do away with house shows altogether, and replace them with meet and greets? Sell a lot of merchandise, fans can meet their favorites and get autographs, do q and a's, etc. And the wrestlers will not have to take that many bumps.
Kane Knight
09-26-2007, 09:41 PM
No, wrestling shouldn't have an off season. However, they should have a week off every month or two. Triple H was out for 8 months and the company didn't go bankrupt. By WWE standards they could give anyone a week off and it won't matter. Let them request a week off if they have stuff to do, and if they opt to miss a PPV payoff, oh well.
If they're part of a storyline, then for the week they're off have them cut a prerecorded promo. Shouldn't be a prob.
Not only that, but rotating storylines means that you have more top guys. The Rock wasn't always featured on every show. Austin wasn't. Sometimes wrestlers got injured before their payoff match onscreen.
Kane Knight
09-26-2007, 09:48 PM
So why are the simpsons still on? Family guy, Southpark, Seinfield. Hell, the NFL. I could go on, but what i'm saying is it is the product that keeps viewers, not how LONG it is ran within the 12 mo. span. As far as what to talk about during the offseason, that is when they should come out with "season" dvds to keep us interested.
You know, I don't even know where to start with this.
First off, many of the writers on these programs are coming up with multiple products within the same time span. A couple of the guys who do the Simpsons, for example, have HUUUUGE resumés. That's not counting people like Conan, who used to write and do other duties on the show.
Second, there was serial programming that ran for years without issues like this, with static writing. The concept of "seasonal" programming is a pretty new one, and many shows ran longer with pretty constant programming for years. Sports are a different issue entirely, because they're not written.
I mean, it's great to say that the writing would improve, but the honest truth is the writing went downhill when WWE started hiring people with no booking experience and started booking itself by what amused Vince.
FourFifty
09-26-2007, 09:57 PM
Here's something that just came to mind....
Let's say wresting goes into "seasons" where everyone takes a few months off after WrestleMania...
How the hell would that make every title look? If I ever hear "Last Season's Champion" I'm going to light my TV on fire and mail Vince the ashes. "Last Season's Champion" makes it sound like a sport, or some goddamn reality TV (which would help out The Miz, but that's about it).
Or would they just forget that they took a month off and go from there?
"Yea, I know you haven't been able to watch wrestling for a month, but THE CHAMP IS HERE!!!!1!!!!11!!!11!!one!"
I'm all for off time for wrestlers, but "seasons" is by far the worst idea since ending the brand split.
mrslackalack
09-26-2007, 10:02 PM
I say give them a week to 2 off every month by brand. RAW/SD/ECW will still be shown every week but have a couple weeks each month where RAW and ECW are taped. For the weeks say week 1 RAW goes on House Show Tour in one part of the country and week 2 SD/ECW goes on House Show Tour in another part of the country and vice versa.
Innovator
09-26-2007, 10:09 PM
Have a PPV first week in December, then give them the rest of the month off. Start back up in January and build to Mania.
Johnny Vegas
09-26-2007, 10:41 PM
IIf the yes-man thing is true (which might have happened since HHH became 'family'), then let us expect the worst then. If it were up to Vince, Khali would be fight Bats for every fucking title.
I just want to see something done for the wrestlers and the product. We may joke on how bad the WWE may be at times, but if it were gone tomorrow, a part of many ppl here would be gone. It's one of those things that keep you from slapping that guy at work on Mondays.
Pepsi Man
09-26-2007, 11:30 PM
IIf the yes-man thing is true (which might have happened since HHH became 'family'), then let us expect the worst then. If it were up to Vince, Khali would be fight Bats for every fucking title.
I just want to see something done for the wrestlers and the product. We may joke on how bad the WWE may be at times, but if it were gone tomorrow, a part of many ppl here would be gone. It's one of those things that keep you from slapping that guy at work on Mondays.
I have had VCR issues and missed multiple weeks of Raw at a time for various other reasons and never slapped people at work on Mondays, whether they deserved it or not, and trust me, some did.
Dorkchop
09-27-2007, 01:12 AM
I'd say no for an off season, but I'd like for some guys to get a good couple of weeks off every now and then.
But that's where the problem lies. No one wants to take time off because it means someone else might get their spot... and they might not get it back when they return.
Tommy Gunn
09-27-2007, 05:23 AM
Wrestlers shouldn't be in more than two matches a week, with a week off every 4-8 weeks. That's my opinion. I can't imagine the physical burn out these guys go through.
Evil Vito
09-27-2007, 08:59 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Yeah breaks are definitely needed.
I have to agree with the idea of having a Supershow...then giving everyone a week off. Probably at least once every other month I'd say.</font>
Kane Knight
09-27-2007, 09:48 AM
IIf the yes-man thing is true (which might have happened since HHH became 'family'), then let us expect the worst then. If it were up to Vince, Khali would be fight Bats for every fucking title.
I just want to see something done for the wrestlers and the product. We may joke on how bad the WWE may be at times, but if it were gone tomorrow, a part of many ppl here would be gone. It's one of those things that keep you from slapping that guy at work on Mondays.
I don't like the "Something's wrong, so let's do anything to fix it" mentality. Sorry, not every action has a positive outcome. Simply reducing the number of days will not make the writing better.
Time off has many benefits, but if you're worried about the writing (And that surprises me a touch), writing is not one of them. Serial programming is nothing new. The fact is, WWE is written by Hollywood types now, when it was once written by people with pro wrestling experience. It really does seem to pander to what Vince likes, too.
The upside to seasonal programming is that you have essentially a whole year to do anywhere between 13 and 30 episodes. We're talking about giving a few weeks off, however. WWE isn't going to reduce themselves, realistically, to 30 episodes. An off season would be a month or two, meaning like 16 hours less programming to write for. We're not talking a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.
WWE will still need ideas every week, and will have around a week to plan each episode, even if they're planning an angle in advance, things change. A lot.
The main advantage to time off would be time for the wrestlers to heal. This could be done just as easily through other ventures, such as rotating the top guys, using injury angles, and so on. The show on Raw, for example, has largely revolved around Cena for three years. The world would not end if they took Cena out of the picture for a couple months so he could rest and heal. I don't know if he's injured per se, but there's a reason most sports have so much downtime. Plus, if they had other top guys, they'd have a replacement should Cena become injured.
Fewer tour dates and more variety seem to be the best option. WWE's touring more than ever, it seems, and it's probably to recoup money they're not making in sheer numbers or from advertising. WWE's gone out of their weay over the last couple of years to keep stock prices up and please their investors. Even then, they've had to report a lot of shortcomings, and faith's been lost. And they've had drug issues, and faith's been lost. And they've had low ratings, and faith's been lost.
I agree, they need a serious overhaul to keep them from going under, and even though I haven't watched Raw for a while now, I'd miss it if it was gone. I don't think an offseason will help the writing any. What it might do is cause a spike effect in ratings when Raw comes back, because it's the season premiere. Even the "Season premiere" they did last year spiked, because it was a 3 hour megashow.
For all Vince's "Concern," However, he has done nothing to change the overall structure.
Dave Youell
09-27-2007, 11:09 AM
Do any of you think that Vince will pay them when they are off? And also do you think the workers would want to miss out on the house show pay days.
It’s a nice theory, but unless it’s brought in by law I can’t see it happening to be honest.
Do they deserve time off? Of course! I’ve only wrestler 4 times this month and my body is a mess and needs a few days inbetween matches, god knows how those guys do it
FourFifty
09-27-2007, 11:10 AM
Do they deserve time off? Of course! I’ve only wrestler 4 times this month and my body is a mess and needs a few days inbetween matches, god knows how those guys do it
Ya know, I've still yet to see any of your matches. Do you have any posted online?
KingofOldSchool
09-27-2007, 11:49 AM
Well considering how most fans have the attention span of a peanut, it would be hard for them to take an extended "break" because most fans will stop caring for the wrestlers even more than they do now.
Do what some people have already suggest.
1. Cut back on PPVs. Keep the Big Four (Royal Rumble, Mania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series), get rid of the fothers, but then add a couple of former WCW PPVs (Halloween Havoc and Starcade).
Jan - Royal Rumble
Feb - N/A
March - N/A
April - Wrestlemania
May - N/A
June - N/A
July - N/A
August - Summerslam
September - N/A
October - Halloween Havoc
November - Survivor Series
December - Starcade
2. Do one Supershow per month, tape all 3 shows at it. To keep it going at decent pace, pre tape all backstage segments for Smackdown and ECW and edit them in during post production. This way fans won't get as restless during the four hour taping. No houseshows that week either so they can go home and spend time with their family and rest any nagging injuries they may have.
3. They don't always have to use their bigger names to wrestle at house shows. They can do angles where they still appear, but yet don't have to wrestle a 10-12 minute match. Say one night The Coach comes out and does an "interview" with John Cena, it ends up with Cena FUing the Coach and celebrating to send the fans home happy. And then the next Raw house show they can do the same thing with Triple H.
4. Also at house shows they should go back to what they use to do. They switch up the card a lot. For one card they can have John Cena vs. Randy Orton right before intermission. This way once they are done, they can go back to the hotel and rest for the night a lot earlier than normal. Then they can end the evening by having Jeff Hardy defend the IC Title.
Ninti the Mad
09-27-2007, 11:55 AM
What they should do is just have one week a month where only televised shows take place and no house shows.
There.
Solved.
BigDaddyCool
09-27-2007, 12:07 PM
If Chuck Norris doesn't have an off-season neither should Ken Kennedy.
Kane Knight
09-27-2007, 12:09 PM
Do any of you think that Vince will pay them when they are off? And also do you think the workers would want to miss out on the house show pay days.
How much do they get paid when they're out on injury/dead?
I know wrestlers have an IQ that rarely climbs into double digits, but yeah.
IC Champion
09-27-2007, 12:12 PM
If Chuck Norris doesn't have an off-season neither should Ken Kennedy.
Blue Demon
09-27-2007, 12:40 PM
What they should do is just have one week a month where only televised shows take place and no house shows.
There.
Solved.
:y:
KingofOldSchool
09-27-2007, 12:49 PM
If Chuck Norris doesn't have an off-season neither should Ken Kennedy.
Chuck Norris is not a mortal being, Kennedy is.
Kennedy is weak, afterall he hasn't been on the juice since 1976.
Dave Youell
09-28-2007, 06:20 AM
Ya know, I've still yet to see any of your matches. Do you have any posted online?
I did have some posted a while ago on megaupload
I'm getting a pretty swish camera for Xmas so i'll be filming my own stuff as getting the dvd's form my matches is a pain in the ass.
I'll try to rip some of my older matches for DVD and put them on youtube when I get some time, i don't have anything new from the past 2 years though. Which is a shame as I think it's my best work.
Dave Youell
09-28-2007, 06:22 AM
How much do they get paid when they're out on injury/dead?
I know wrestlers have an IQ that rarely climbs into double digits, but yeah.
I guess if the wrestler takes out insurance, they would still get the same amount in on an average, but alot of the wages are worked out on house show gates and PPV pay offs, so I would asume Vince would pay the basic of the contract, but nothing else.
Most WWE guys are with Lloydds of London who insure them for this sort of stuff. So it's there own fault if they are not insured.
Evil Vito
09-28-2007, 08:17 AM
<font color=goldenrod>I like KOOS' idea, only change I'd make is throw a PPV in June to keep the fans warm. Maybe bring back KOTR, all 3 shows involved.
I'd base the entire PPV around the tourney...so there should be enough time to fit a ton of matches. I'd say maybe go into the PPV with 12 people left...you'd get the quarter final matches for each show (6), the semi-finals (3), and a final triple threat match to decide the king. 10 matches total.
To keep exhaustion down...the first round matches could probably be a lot shorter than the later rounds. The people who have to wrestle 3 matches in one night will guaranteed a week off (except for maybe a promo). If there's time, maybe have an 11th match: a triple threat non-title match with the 3 champs.
The king and winning champion have to have a match for the belt at Summerslam. Great way to set up a feud and possibly a way to have the challenger switch shows too. And there will be plenty of time for build as there's no July PPV</font>
Kane Knight
09-28-2007, 10:11 AM
Oh, I'd like some evidence of that....
Jordan
09-28-2007, 10:17 AM
They work like 17/18 days out of the month, they have enough time off. Most people work five days to seven days a week.
Dave Youell
09-28-2007, 10:18 AM
They work like 17/18 days out of the month, they have enough time off. Most people work five days to seven days a week.
Most people go home to their familys when they are done working, not a hotel.
Unless you're a rep or something.
Either way your not bumping
Jordan
09-28-2007, 10:21 AM
Well giving a wrestler a week off wouldn't hurt as they could bring in enhancement talent to do jobs for bigger stars, and help get them over.
FourFifty
09-28-2007, 10:23 AM
1. Cut back on PPVs. Keep the Big Four (Royal Rumble, Mania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series), get rid of the fothers, but then add a couple of former WCW PPVs (Halloween Havoc and Starcade).
Jan - Royal Rumble
Feb - N/A
March - N/A
April - Wrestlemania
May - N/A
June - N/A
July - N/A
August - Summerslam
September - N/A
October - Halloween Havoc
November - Survivor Series
December - Starcade
With all due respect KoOS I'd like to polish up your idea with cutting back on PPVs. The three month gap without a PPV isn't looking good. While it would give the wrestlers time off the wrestlers aren't making any money, so here's how I'd play it out.
Make the brand splits stronger. Keep the big four as tri-branded PPVs but make every other PPV single or dual branded (since ECW tours with SmackDown anyways).
Jan - Royal Rumble
Feb - SmackDown/ECW
March - Raw
April - Wrestlemania
May - SmackDown
June - Raw
July - SmackDown/ECW
August - Summerslam
September - Raw
October - ECW
November - Survivor Series
December - Raw
That gives us 7 Raw, 7 SmackDown and 6 ECW.
That'll give each wrestler from every brand enough time to take a week or two off without missing PPV payoff. It'll also mean less title matches which might help the titles look more credible.
SmackDown and ECW can share a few PPVs because they go on tour with each other, and ECW can't support 12 PPVs a year at this moment.
Also keeping the brands off of PPVs will ensure the writers enough time to pull something better out of their ass than the monthly Cena Wins/Bats title scene that we've been getting.
BigDaddyCool
09-28-2007, 10:26 AM
They work like 17/18 days out of the month, they have enough time off. Most people work five days to seven days a week.
No, they are in the ring 17/18 days out of the month. They are on the road constantly. They have to do all sorts of radio spots and public apperences. And find time to work out. All of that is still part of their work as well. There is also a huge difference between working 8:30 to 5 every day and getting to go home, than literally falling on your ass for 5 minutes and going to a hotel room every night.
FourFifty
09-28-2007, 10:27 AM
They work like 17/18 days out of the month, they have enough time off. Most people work five days to seven days a week.
Holy Robot Jesus, I'd look for a comment like that frm br0, but you... while I'm not shocked, that's still pretty fucking stupid and short sighted.
KingofOldSchool
09-28-2007, 06:32 PM
With all due respect KoOS I'd like to polish up your idea with cutting back on PPVs. The three month gap without a PPV isn't looking good. While it would give the wrestlers time off the wrestlers aren't making any money, so here's how I'd play it out.
But those buyrates generally suck and not to mention, no one was complaining before the company added all of those PPVs.
I mean it's not like they only get $25 a show, so unless all they do is spend all of the money on steroids and shit, they don't have a reason to complain about missing on the throwaway PPV pay-day. Not to mention it's usually the same guys wrestling on PPV.
Also I think by keeping a large space inbetween Mania and Summerslam, it will help build up the feuds for Summerslam instead of trying to book to buildup to the PPVs inbetween.
Not sure it's been discussed (not in the mood to read the thread right now) but what if they alternated months where there are no House Shows? Just do the TV tapings and PPV and that's it for that month.
If you wanted to make it even easier, also have them do double shots where they tape two shows per taping (ECW would alternate between the shows) cutting it down to only working 2-3 weeks that months.
Ninti the Mad
09-28-2007, 07:52 PM
They work like 17/18 days out of the month, they have enough time off. Most people work five days to seven days a week.
I am sure they also get to go home every night with their family and relax in their home.
FourFifty
09-28-2007, 08:29 PM
But those buyrates generally suck and not to mention, no one was complaining before the company added all of those PPVs.
I mean it's not like they only get $25 a show, so unless all they do is spend all of the money on steroids and shit, they don't have a reason to complain about missing on the throwaway PPV pay-day. Not to mention it's usually the same guys wrestling on PPV.
Also I think by keeping a large space inbetween Mania and Summerslam, it will help build up the feuds for Summerslam instead of trying to book to buildup to the PPVs inbetween.
Well KoOS, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll still say three months between PPVs is a bad idea, but m'eh.
Mercury Bullet
09-28-2007, 08:32 PM
Jesus, it would fix SO MUCH just to cut back on the frequency and distance of travel. Don't make huge jumps across country overnight or over a day or two. Don't hit the road constantly. If everybody traveled together they could run a house show and a TV show from the same city on different night, or the same night. It would make things so much easier.
Kane Knight
09-29-2007, 09:53 AM
Jesus, it would fix SO MUCH just to cut back on the frequency and distance of travel. Don't make huge jumps across country overnight or over a day or two. Don't hit the road constantly. If everybody traveled together they could run a house show and a TV show from the same city on different night, or the same night. It would make things so much easier.
Actually, they kind of do that in the first place. Or used to. You'd have a TV show in one city, and a house show like 30 minutes away, tops.
Cutting back on the frequency and distance of travel would be easy, but it would likely cut down on profits.
Fewer PPVs would also solve a lot of TV problems. I mean, it can't STOP the bad writing, but Say, for example, there were only four PPVs since Bats came back, him as #1 contender would be less painful than his fifteen shots. Cena dominating, too. In fact, regardless of who's on top, I think a title match 18 times a year is going to make the PPV title match seems less valuable. It will help solve the issue of contenders, too. If you do a different contender each month, you need like, ten main eventers or so who can reasonably chase the title for a month. If you do the same contender, you only need one, but it looks like ass.
If you mix and match, it mitigates the damage. But if you reduce the numbers, it helps a lot more. For everything except buyrates (15 low buyrates a year will trump 4-6 AMAZING nights a year), profits (Short term), and attendances (again, short term).
Apparently, WWE's already starting to drain the overseas market, which should be a sign that they should back off before the well runs low, but instead, they'll probably make like a junky and look for other locales to "inject" themselves.
FourFifty
09-29-2007, 11:26 AM
I think what most of us are forgetting is the simple fact that the WWE is trying to make money, and the talent is trying to make money.
If someone needs a week to rechage so they don't pull a Benoit on their family it shouldn't be a problem as long as they give people a heads up.
Cutting back on house shows and PPVs (albeit they should cut back on PPVs so they're once a month tops) would cut back on how often the fans can see them live. I've only been to a small house show but there's nothing like seeing it live.
So let's stop playing arm chair booker or stop playing god mode and let the company run itself. I think after the Chris Benoit deal happened every one from the main event to wrestlers like Mass Transit (god rest his fat soul) has an idea of what they're getting into.
And if they can't handle life on the road, then they should sign up with TNA.
Jordan
09-29-2007, 01:03 PM
Cutting down on travel would be great probably. If they would really stick to regions for a month or so. Like do house shows all over New York before Raw and Smackdown to hype the actual TV Show events, then that would in turn hype the PPV events and maybe get bigger ticket sales.
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