Top 5 Underused in TNA

[Kenny]

Who do you think the top 5 underused wreslters are within the TNA roster?

I think:

1. AJ Styles: The company was built on guys like AJ Styles. He's athletic, he's got a good fan base, and his performance speaks for itself. Instead, they turn him into a whiney heel who rarely wins matches and put him in a tag team with Tomko. I think AJ should be a top contender for the world title, and I also believe a match between him and Angle could be one of the best matches ever if it were done right.

2. Christopher Daniels: Again, the company was built on guys like this. He's probably one of the most popular indy wrestlers out there. He's got a solid character and a great move set. When was the last time he won a match anyway?

3. Low Ki: This Senshi stuff was funny at first, but now it's just sad. I've seen this guy wrestle in the indy's and he can do amazing stuff. If I didn't know any better I would think this guy could fly. Anyone who can hit a "warrior stomp" from a balcony and not kill a guy has some amazing talent. Guys like Low Ki should atleast give Somoa Joe a good fight, not just be another guy to help get him over as a monster.

4. Rhyno: Rhyno comes into the company and makes an impact. He won a monster's ball match, a battle royal, and then beat Jarrett in the same night for the world heavyweight championship. Now he's basically being used to get the companies "new heels" over, such as James Storm.

5. Raven: Raven also had a popular following. TNA completely makes him over, and does a poor job at it. Raven should be one of the main players in the company. He's a familiar face and fans have adapted to his hardcore style. He could do a program with Rhyno that lasts a few months at the least. So what do the do? Dress him in a white suit and give him a cane?

Some others could be Sabin, Petey Williams, and so on...

[IC Champion]

Senshi sucks. (Unlike Low Ki, who is good)

Rhyno is used every week, and is ALWAYS in the program with one the company's top guys.

Raven has had health and drug problems for the last few years, he's supposed to be better now, and if you've watched the last 2 weeks, he's been getting used.

AJ's Styles has held every belt the company has ever had, TWICE. Now that was years ago now, but he;s a tag champ and is Christian's sidekick.

[Mr. JL]

Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin

Raven

Robert Roode

Havok aka Johnny Devine

[St. Jimmy]

OMG LYK KURT ANGEL IS SO UNDERUZED.

[The One]

This listing thread is not authorized by BDC. Once you receive his blessing and I can share my very important views on the issue.

[IC Champion]

This listing thread is not authorized by BDC. Once you receive his blessing and I can share my very important views on the issue.
So does this mean we don't have to listen to your views if the thread isn't BDC approved?

[The One]

IC is becoming a little too big for his britches...that one you can have without BDC's approval.

[IC Champion]

IC is becoming a little too big for his britches...that one you can have without BDC's approval.
LOL, calm down Baby Britches, I was joking, we all love to read your posts, I know for myself, it's one of the reason I get out of bed in the afternoon.

[St. Jimmy]

You know who TNA underuses? Writers. End of fucking list.

[Mercury Bullet]

I will name three, and complete my list upon BDC approval of this thread.

1) Alex Shelley
2) James Storm
3) Christopher Daniels

[XL]

AJ Styles
Although he features on every show and he pulls off the goofy stooge very well, I can't help but feel he is being underutilised. As has been said, he's a former World Champ and was crazy over, he should be mixing in the ME a little more. I hope we see a programme between Christian and AJ over the title somewhere down the line.

Motor City Machine Guns
Both very skilled individually. Impressive tag moves. Good look. These guys are the best team out there IMO. Shame they get overshadowed by btoken down guys like the Dudleys and Steniers who, I at least, have no interest in.

Petey Williams
For everything that is said about the Canadian Destroyer as a move it is very over with the mass audience (queue joke about TNA having a MASS audience). He was building quite a following when he turned face to defend America against LAX, then they dropped the programme and he only fatures in clusterfuck matches.

Christopher Daniels
The guy deserves a run towards the top based on how long he's been with the company alone. Not to mention decent promo skills, excellent matches and a good enough following to boot. Perhaps would have benefitted from the planned fued with Sting that ended abruptly. Wasted in XXX.

[Chuck Jones]

Sabin/Shelley
Daniels
Styles
Joe should be world champion by now
homicide

[Super V]

Frankie Kazarian
He has everything a sports entertainer could ask for minus air time and a feud. They had something going with Traci and him but it's just been dropped inexplicably.

[The One]

Kazarian sucks.

[ozzman6669]

Everybody on the roster that's not a former WWE/WCW/ECW wrestler.

[Skippord]

The Motor City Machine Guns

[CSL]

1. Shelley
2. Shelley
3. Shelley
4. Shelley
5. Sabin

[Mr. Nerfect]

5. AJ Styles
He gets a lot of shit, but AJ Styles is really growing as a performer. It was his efforts that helped keep TNA afloat as they were struggling to find TV time, and all that. If TNA has anyone lined up to be a "lifer" with the company, besides Jeff Jarrett, it should be AJ Styles. He was labeled a "Triple Crown" winner in TNA, but now that they have their own belts, he's only 66.6% of the way there. I want to see Styles do it, again.

4. Petey Williams
This guy is nowhere to be found, and that is a sad development. For a while, he was a constant on TNA programming, and he was solid in his role. This guy needs a heel turn, again, and to try and reclaim the X-Division Title, tired of being overlooked by comedy acts like "Black Machismo." Fuck, if you get really desperate, sign Teddy fucking Hart to a TNA contract (if he fucks up, just have Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle and Senshi kick the shit out of him), and put them together as a tag team.

3. The Motor City Machine Guns
These guys should be leading the TNA World Tag Team Division. They should at least be up there with Styles & Tomko, and The LAX. Alex Shelley has got personality, and he brings out the best in Sabin's, too. They are one of the most exciting teams in the company. The WWE has Paul London & Brian Kendrick, ROH has The Briscoes, TNA has The MCMG. If TNA goes ahead and signs Scott Hall, back, I say go ahead and have Kevin Nash and hall mock the nWo, and start up a stable with themselves, Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley. That would be pretty sweet.

2. Christopher Daniels
Here is a guy that can talk, act and play a character better than almost anyone in the company. Fuck, he's arguably better at it than most in the industry. When he was feuding with Sting, I was genuinely happy, because it was a chance for the company to put over a star that they made. Well, a star that really made himself in their company. Of course, Sting beat Daniels. There will always be hope for Daniels, because he's always be a great performer. One day, The Fallen Angel should be TNA World Heavyweight Champion, and prove TNA an alternative to the WWE.

1. Samoa Joe
A lot of you have something against the guy, but quite frankly, you're all idiots. Samoa Joe is going to be the bread and butter of TNA. He was never a "WWE guy," he can cut promos with more depth than most guys (promos don't need to be flashier to get their point across), and he's a great wrestler. That's the popular opinion, and I don't care how many of you disagree, you're in the minority for a reason.

Joe pretty much put ROH on the map. The difference between ROH and TNA is that ROH wanted to be helped. TNA seems to be fighting against Joe, rather than working with him like when he first came in. Watching Bound For Glory with my family, they were all impressed with Samoa Joe, even after I had hyped him up. Joe has a large appeal to him, and he could make TNA a lot of money. They don't like money for whatever reason.

Yes, Joe is still a main event guy, but he's still the most underused guy in the company, in my opinion, because while the other guys are unfortunately held back, it is the Samoa Joe one that is really stupid. Joe should be the next guy to challenge Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship, and he should really win it. Of course, TNA jobbed him out in their nonsensical title tournament to Christian Cage, who is awesome, but had just lost to Joe a few nights before. In fact, I think the point of their match at BFG was to fucking end this shit between them, and give Joe the push. Of course, they didn't go that way for whatever reason, and no one benefits. Not even Cage.

[BigDaddyCool]

First off let me respond to 'Noid. Samo Joe sucks ass. He is horrible. I have never seen a good match from him. I don't know where he gets off calling himself a submission machine. Also, he needs to get off the fucking fence, either gain wieght or lose it. Not this sorta chubby crap.

Anyhow, here is my list:

5. AJ Styles, I hate the faggot fuck, but seriously, he went from being a singles star to a side kick? It is usually the other way around.

3&4. Sabin & Shelly: these guys are mad over, so what do they do? Job them to the Dudleys. Dumb asses.

2. Jay Lethal: maybe not underused, but definatley misused. He can cut the Macho man act now. The guy is solid in the ring and can cut some decent promos. Just let him be him.

1. Kevin Nash: anyone that didn't see this coming, is a moron. He should have his own interview show, not just be a sidenote in Angle's crap. Or maybe color commentary. Big Lazy can be used to help new guys cut promos or a million other things, not driving away instead of getting porn.

[Mercury Bullet]

4) Chris Sabin

5) Homicide

[Mr. Nerfect]

First off let me respond to 'Noid. Samo Joe sucks ass. He is horrible. I have never seen a good match from him. I don't know where he gets off calling himself a submission machine. Also, he needs to get off the fucking fence, either gain wieght or lose it. Not this sorta chubby crap.

Anyhow, here is my list:

5. AJ Styles, I hate the faggot fuck, but seriously, he went from being a singles star to a side kick? It is usually the other way around.

3&4. Sabin & Shelly: these guys are mad over, so what do they do? Job them to the Dudleys. Dumb asses.

2. Jay Lethal: maybe not underused, but definatley misused. He can cut the Macho man act now. The guy is solid in the ring and can cut some decent promos. Just let him be him.

1. Kevin Nash: anyone that didn't see this coming, is a moron. He should have his own interview show, not just be a sidenote in Angle's crap. Or maybe color commentary. Big Lazy can be used to help new guys cut promos or a million other things, not driving away instead of getting porn.

Hmm, you don't think Samoa Joe using a variety of submission moves might have something to do with his nickname?

As I said, my family was impressed with the guy, and they are the definition of casual fans. I don't give a shit what "you've seen". If you honestly think Kevin Nash, who is about to return to in-ring competition with the company is underused, you're a fucking idiot.

[IC Champion]

Hmm, you don't think Samoa Joe using a variety of submission moves might have something to do with his nickname?

As I said, my family was impressed with the guy, and they are the definition of casual fans. I don't give a shit what "you've seen". If you honestly think Kevin Nash, who is about to return to in-ring competition with the company is underused, you're a fucking idiot.

Joe does't use submission, unless you count his choke hold, which is a CHOKE. Occiasionally he's use an arm bar, or his gay STF he uses, thats about it, and that is few and far between. Also, because I know Joe isn't the next wrestling superstar, does not make me an idiot. Joe doesn't have the charisma, mic skills, star power, or the look. Not to mention he's a shitty wrestler. Yes, Somoa Joe doesn't wrestle, and really can't. You give shit to guys all the time for not being techinically sound, well guess what? Soma Joe sure as hell isn't. I'm tired of you fucking marks, thinking just becuase they use no physcology, and work stiff, makes them a good wrestler, I wish it were that easy, but it's not. There is no art or skill in winding up and cracking someone with a solid forearm shot, or a stiff kick. But anyways, Joe will never be a superstar, he will never be a world champion, unless you count RoH. Fact is, Joe is your average run of the mill, Mid carder. Also, how fucking stupid is his fucking name, the more I think about it, the more retarded one has to be to choose such a fucking rediculous name.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hmm, you don't think Samoa Joe using a variety of submission moves might have something to do with his nickname?

As I said, my family was impressed with the guy, and they are the definition of casual fans. I don't give a shit what "you've seen". If you honestly think Kevin Nash, who is about to return to in-ring competition with the company is underused, you're a fucking idiot.
I've never seens Joe use more than 1 submission nor is Joe methodical in his attacks to wear down the neck for his choke hold. Randy Orton is 10 times more methodical and goes for way more hold that in theory could gain him a submission victory. And I would never call Orton a submission machine. So I don't know where Joe gets this submission machine thing from.
Also, now I should change my opinion because a bunch of marks you are related to like Joe? And how am I a fucking idiot? Because I blindly worship a bunch of no-talent hacks? No wait, I admit the no-talent hacks I like are no-talent hacks.

[Slow]

Tomko

Although he is on every show and is great being part of the coalition, i reckon he should be given a main event title chase, preferably against Christian. Although Christian should NEVER lose the title. ever.

Unless its to raven

[Mooияakeя™]

Cage. He should OWN TNA. He should beat Jeff Jarrett in a winner takes all match and own the company and SKREW Fat Joe then go creating a big fucking stable kicking the shit out of everyone and everything. Like some mad corporation.

Don't worry, it's Cage, this future of TNA is in safe hands....

[Fox]

Alex Shelley should be given more air-time. Like HBK and Jericho before him, Alex is the next big small-sizer in professional wrestling, given time and the opportunity.

[The One]

Whoever aid Samoa Joe is on crack. Seriously. He just became the first person to either pin or submit Christian. Yes that's right, he went over clean a former 2 time World Champ...and you're all bitching he is underused?

[IC Champion]

Whoever aid Samoa Joe is on crack. Seriously. He just became the first person to either pin or submit Christian. Yes that's right, he went over clean a former 2 time World Champ...and you're all bitching he is underused?
It may come as no shock, that it was Alienoid who said it.

[SuperSlim]

[B]1. Samoa Joe
A lot of you have something against the guy, but quite frankly, you're all idiots. Samoa Joe is going to be the bread and butter of TNA. He was never a "WWE guy," he can cut promos with more depth than most guys (promos don't need to be flashier to get their point across), and he's a great wrestler. That's the popular opinion, and I don't care how many of you disagree, you're in the minority for a reason.

Joe pretty much put ROH on the map. The difference between ROH and TNA is that ROH wanted to be helped. TNA seems to be fighting against Joe, rather than working with him like when he first came in. Watching Bound For Glory with my family, they were all impressed with Samoa Joe, even after I had hyped him up. Joe has a large appeal to him, and he could make TNA a lot of money. They don't like money for whatever reason.

Yes, Joe is still a main event guy, but he's still the most underused guy in the company, in my opinion, because while the other guys are unfortunately held back, it is the Samoa Joe one that is really stupid. Joe should be the next guy to challenge Kurt Angle for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship, and he should really win it. Of course, TNA jobbed him out in their nonsensical title tournament to Christian Cage, who is awesome, but had just lost to Joe a few nights before. In fact, I think the point of their match at BFG was to fucking end this shit between them, and give Joe the push. Of course, they didn't go that way for whatever reason, and no one benefits. Not even Cage.

Aight I've visited the wrestling board a bit just for news and bits and crap but there is one poster that I always skim past cause I get tired of seeing his long drawn out posts about shit nobody cares about that leads to some midcarder that nobody could give a rat's ass about becoming world champion in some screwed up storyline.

But that bolded part... Dude... seriously...shut up.

Because people have an opinion and don't like Samoa Joe you call them idiots. I don't care for Samoa Joe... and I could careless if he was a WWE guy, WCW, ECW, ROH, CZW, or whatever the hell else is out there. The fact is, he's just like all the others.

Only difference is he's fat and can move. That's all. He can't cut a promo if his career depended on it. It's monotone with the last couple of words being shouted. Monotone, shout, monotone, shout, rinse, lather, repeat process over and over til it's irritating and annoying.

Bottom line here Noid, you have your opinion, we all have ours. To declare people idiots for not liking someone you do is flat out idiotic in itself, considering I've seen you get your feathers ruffled up because someone speaks positively about someone that you didn't like. But I guess it's different. You and your family The "casual fans" area always correct and we should agree and like all the people you all like cause we're smarks so our opinions are considered invalid.

Get over yourself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Aight I've visited the wrestling board a bit just for news and bits and crap but there is one poster that I always skim past cause I get tired of seeing his long drawn out posts about shit nobody cares about that leads to some midcarder that nobody could give a rat's ass about becoming world champion in some screwed up storyline.

But that bolded part... Dude... seriously...shut up.

Because people have an opinion and don't like Samoa Joe you call them idiots. I don't care for Samoa Joe... and I could careless if he was a WWE guy, WCW, ECW, ROH, CZW, or whatever the hell else is out there. The fact is, he's just like all the others.

Only difference is he's fat and can move. That's all. He can't cut a promo if his career depended on it. It's monotone with the last couple of words being shouted. Monotone, shout, monotone, shout, rinse, lather, repeat process over and over til it's irritating and annoying.

Bottom line here Noid, you have your opinion, we all have ours. To declare people idiots for not liking someone you do is flat out idiotic in itself, considering I've seen you get your feathers ruffled up because someone speaks positively about someone that you didn't like. But I guess it's different. You and your family The "casual fans" area always correct and we should agree and like all the people you all like cause we're smarks so our opinions are considered invalid.

Get over yourself.

LOL. I'm pretty sure I actually usually defend most wrestlers, no matter how many people call them a useless sack of shit. I have defended Snitsky, Mark Henry and Viscera in the past. I used to mark for Hardcore Holly and Billy Gunn. Taste discriminating is not my cup of tea, but what I am sick of are the "Kliq" guys on here who do make those kind of discriminations, usually with ignorance. It's hypocritical to call me on calling people idiots and then letting the "Soma Joe" (what kind of shitty pun is that, anyway?) slide. Especially since I am the one who is doing it in retaliation. I've always been one of the more passive members of the wrestling forums, but as it has been said, it's kind of expected you act like a dick round these parts.

I'd have no problem with people not liking Samoa Joe if they at least knew what the fuck they were talking about. "Joe only uses one submission." Bullshit, I can think of at least three that would be classified as trademarks of his, and that is in the tone-downed TNA. "Samoe Joe uses not psychology." Bullshit. What a fucking match of his. People are sick of guys who use a lot of strikes being labelled as good wrestlers? Well I'm sick of people who assume that because a guy has one overhyped match based around their striking (vs. Kobashi) he has to be shit.

The facts are, the "Soma Joe" people around here, for the most part, haven't even watched a Samoa Joe match. Secondly of all, my point was that their opinions mean shit to me. Everyone else agrees that Samoa Joe should be TNA's top guy. He's homegrown, he's a great wrestler, he can cut a promo, and the IWC and casual fans love him, in general. The only real hate I see for him are on these boards, and it's without any informed opinion. It's just random hate to counteract the love he gets from most other places.

I called the Kliq fans who say that Samoa Joe can't be considered underused, and then say Kevin Nash (who can barely walk at this stage) is the most underused guy in the company? Boo fucking hoo, people call each other dicks on here all the time.

I'm done with you.

[Destor]

Low-Ki is fantastic

[Mr. Nerfect]

Whoever aid Samoa Joe is on crack. Seriously. He just became the first person to either pin or submit Christian. Yes that's right, he went over clean a former 2 time World Champ...and you're all bitching he is underused?

I'm bitching he is underused. No one else. There's proof #1 you haven't read the thread. What, he submitted Christian? You mean that fucking jobber in the WWE? I love Christian as much as everyone else, but the guy is not exactly Hulk Hogan in terms of name power. God knows he's better, and deserves it, but that's not the way things work, unfortunately.

Evidence #2 you didn't read this thread: I justified why I believe Samoa Joe is underused. After beating Christian Cage, which was a fine positive step, they did what? Job him out to Christian Cage...fucking pointless. At the very best, Samoa Joe is hovering in place, and that is not where you want the guy you should be the top face in your company to be.

And yes, Samoa Joe should be the top face of TNA. I've been through it all, but you will have the same foolish "NO PSYCHOLOGY!!!111" posts, and I'm sick of arguing with them, especially since it has been proven in his Ring of Honor stint that he does know psychology in and out, and can do more than a Coquina Clutch. But no, we still have to go by what a few people have seen of the man, which is apparently the end all. Those people need to catch up to the world, it does not need to slow down for them.

Samoa Joe is a main eventer. I addressed that in my original post. What I followed up with was a statement saying that the case of Samoa Joe's underutilisation may not be the biggest in terms of card placement, but it is certainly the most frustrating in comparison with the rest of TNA's problems.

Also, Randy Orton being 11x more flexible in his submissions? That is the most riduculous statement of the year right there, and I have made some pretty crazy ones to contend with it elsewhere.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Low-Ki is fantastic

Destor, don't so you see? He uses kicks, and doesn't do a chinlock every match, therefore he must have no psychology, and therefore must suck and only have one move. :roll:

[IC Champion]

Please just stop, please.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Joe does't use submission, unless you count his choke hold, which is a CHOKE. Occiasionally he's use an arm bar, or his gay STF he uses, thats about it, and that is few and far between. Also, because I know Joe isn't the next wrestling superstar, does not make me an idiot. Joe doesn't have the charisma, mic skills, star power, or the look. Not to mention he's a shitty wrestler. Yes, Somoa Joe doesn't wrestle, and really can't. You give shit to guys all the time for not being techinically sound, well guess what? Soma Joe sure as hell isn't. I'm tired of you fucking marks, thinking just becuase they use no physcology, and work stiff, makes them a good wrestler, I wish it were that easy, but it's not. There is no art or skill in winding up and cracking someone with a solid forearm shot, or a stiff kick. But anyways, Joe will never be a superstar, he will never be a world champion, unless you count RoH. Fact is, Joe is your average run of the mill, Mid carder. Also, how fucking stupid is his fucking name, the more I think about it, the more retarded one has to be to choose such a fucking rediculous name.

In TNA, I have seen Joe hit a powerbomb and try and get the pin. When he quite can't get the three, he uses the opponent's momentum kicking out against them, and locks in a Boston crab. Right there, in that move, there is more psychology than in an entire WWE match. OK, that might be stretching it, but if you can't see the strategy and purpose there, you are indeed a moron, there is no other way around it.

When the opponent reaches for the ropes, Joe reaches back and rolls the Boston crab into an STF, and suddenly edits the point of pressure a little bit. The back is still not getting a breather, you know, because there a 280lbs man putting his weight on it. I believe an STF from Joe, because the guy is usually so much bigger than his opponents. Of course he is going to try and use his weight to keep them grounded.

Right there, in just three moves, Samoa Joe has written a small wrestling novel. I accept that you are not going to be swayed, because you don't like Joe. That's fine. I don't like John Cena, but at least I admit the guy can wrestle when he needs to (proven in his OVW and early SmackDown! days).

Also, the guy has the perfect "everyman" image. Of course, not every guy is an athletic Samoan, but he doesn't have the sculptured body of a steroid user. He goes out there as he is, which is very relatable. He then shows off some surprisingly athleticism for a guy his size, and it would perhaps come off as more enjoyable than a guy looking like he can flip around pulling off the same moves.

What does star power have to do with someone becoming a star? Usually you reach stardom before you use a guy's level of stardom against him.

You're a good poster, IC. I just don't get where you pull this "he can't wrestle shit," when he has had matches that have been labeled modern classics. Your opinion may differ, but fuck, there's a fine line between having an unpopular opinion and just being ignorant. I could say Christian Bale is a shitty actor until the cows come home. Doesn't make it so, unfortunately.

Really, you and the other three "Soma Joe" guys on here are the only people I have ever tried to see make a case agaisnt Samoa Joe's ring skills, and you are yet to produce one convincing point other than "he's shit."

[redoneja]

Don't really think anyone is underused in TNA, I think the problem is that the talent they have isn't used in the right way.

[IC Champion]

This is all to much, and sadly there are wrestlers who think the same way and have the same logic, they are called independant wrestlers, and for the most part aren't with a god damn.

Also, I have seen plenty of matches of Somoa Joe's to make an informed opinion, both from RoH and TNA. Joe has wrestled a couple decent matches in his career. Joe/Kobashi was awesome, highly overrated, but but good nonetheless. Classic? I would hardly think. And while people like Meltzer give Joe/Punk 5 stars, I found it boring, tons of restholds, and thats all I can really remember.

Is Joe better than your average wrestler? Yeah, I'd give him that. Will he ever become a big star? I can't really see it.

Also, Joe cutting promos, is a joke, usually it involves him yelling like a crazed man, and going into wild rants and such.

I have nothing against Joe personally, but when someone complains that a guy who is always at the top of the card, was put over by Kurt Angle, Christian, Jeff Jarett, just to name a few, and ALWAYS has a match on every PPV, and is ALWAYS featured on every episode of Impact, and again is on the TOP of the card, is being underused is just erroneuos, he may being misused, but that's a bit different.

I have nothing against Joe personally, and it's not like I have never been entertained by him before, if he wrestles a good match, than most likely I will be entertained.

Now it's 3 a.m, I just wanted to smoke a joint and go to bed, and you have me ranting, thanks alot.

P.S. I wasn't high while typing any of that post, for the record.

[The One]

Tovo's theory...

Noid said a lot of pointless smark bullshit to get people to become so bored that they stop reading what he wrote and therefore walk away from the argument...

...just like I'm about to do right now...

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is all to much, and sadly there are wrestlers who think the same way and have the same logic, they are called independant wrestlers, and for the most part aren't with a god damn.

Also, I have seen plenty of matches of Somoa Joe's to make an informed opinion, both from RoH and TNA. Joe has wrestled a couple decent matches in his career. Joe/Kobashi was awesome, highly overrated, but but good nonetheless. Classic? I would hardly think. And while people like Meltzer give Joe/Punk 5 stars, I found it boring, tons of restholds, and thats all I can really remember.

Is Joe better than your average wrestler? Yeah, I'd give him that. Will he ever become a big star? I can't really see it.

Also, Joe cutting promos, is a joke, usually it involves him yelling like a crazed man, and going into wild rants and such.

I have nothing against Joe personally, but when someone complains that a guy who is always at the top of the card, was put over by Kurt Angle, Christian, Jeff Jarett, just to name a few, and ALWAYS has a match on every PPV, and is ALWAYS featured on every episode of Impact, and again is on the TOP of the card, is being underused is just erroneuos, he may being misused, but that's a bit different.

I have nothing against Joe personally, and it's not like I have never been entertained by him before, if he wrestles a good match, than most likely I will be entertained.

Now it's 3 a.m, I just wanted to smoke a joint and go to bed, and you have me ranting, thanks alot.

P.S. I wasn't high while typing any of that post, for the record.

See, that was actually an intelligent post, that rationalised. Good work.

However, your point about independent wrestlers is piss weak. I really don't understand your point. All independent wrestlers think the same way? That's bullshit, man. You know that.

And also Joe is always near the top of the card. He is not at the top. As time goes on, Joe should get closer and closer to the main event. Can we agree that this is at least the logical way to do things? Joe has been getting lower on the card, though, and my point was that this is easily the most frustrating (at least to me) case of TNA under-utilising a performer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tovo's theory...

Noid said a lot of pointless smark bullshit to get people to become so bored that they stop reading what he wrote and therefore walk away from the argument...

...just like I'm about to do right now...

You weren't ever a part of the argument. You made one uninformed post.

[ozzman6669]

How can a guy that wear all the belt at one time is underused???????

[BigDaddyCool]

I called the Kliq fans who say that Samoa Joe can't be considered underused, and then say Kevin Nash (who can barely walk at this stage) is the most underused guy in the company? Boo fucking hoo, people call each other dicks on here all the time.

My name is BDC. :roll: And I'm the only one who is saying Nash is underused...well more of miss used. Nash being underused/missused has no bearing on Joe being a fat piece of shit in and out of the ring and being completely over rater. Oh, he used to do more submissions, but now every match he has ends in a pin fall. I don't care what he used to do, now a days he doesn't. So I said his dumb nickname doesn't fit. He is no more a submission machine than Kane is a big red machine anymore.

Also, Joe's interview suck. Lance fucking Storm said so. But atleast they are short.

[BigDaddyCool]

Another thing...for some reason I hit post before I was done. 'Noid, you need to quit living in the past. According to you Joe, Cena, and Venis all used to be good in the ring. But as of late they haven't. When you say Joe was good in RoH 2 years ago, but have nothing to say about Joe being good right now in TNA, it is a piss weak arguement.

Also, Joe is far from underused in TNA and he is getting a mainevent push. Well more so than any other non-exWWE/WCW worker in all of TNA.

[Indifferent Clox]

1-5 Sharkboy

[BigDaddyCool]

1-5 Sharkboy

Make is 1-4 Sharkboy, and 5-Nash, and we got a deal.

[Super V]

Scott Steiner

Are you on crack!? I aint Quasimoto I can't predict the future!

[Kane Knight]

LOL. I never thought I'd see a Kenny thread go downhill.

[The One]

Stand back everyone! I'm about to drop Tovo's list...

#5: Shark Boy
No he's not going to Main Event, nor should he be anywhere near it. But give the guy something to do. Any time he makes an appearance at the Impact Zone he gets a VERY solid pop. He's fun. Like I said, he shouldn't be top contender by any means, but use the guy. He's got a fanbase and quite frankly in a promotion with VERY few "gimmicky" gimmicks, he's a stand out.

#4: VKM
I'm sorry, but the New Age Outlaws are still a solid tag team. The problem is they're stuck in name hell. James Gang or Voodoo Kin Mafia or whatever they're calling themselves now, just pick something simple. Let them go out there and have fun...this whole "We hate TNA" turned to "We Hate Vince" turned to "We hate DX" it's all taking too seriously. Let them cut dumb funny promos, get in the ring, collect a solid couple of victories, and use them.

#3: Alex Shelley
Dump Sabin. Become X-Division Champ. The end.

#2: Kevin Nash
He's coming back to the ring, so I can't say much and is also the reason he's not #1. Like it or not, other than Angle and possibly Sting, Kevin Nash is the biggest name TNA has. When he was big guy mentor to the X-Division it was ok because it was hilarious and it allowed him to elevate an entire division without really have more than one or two matches. But this being Angle's stooge, it's just...not fitting for Big Sexy.

#1: Christopher Daniels
Why this man is not a former World Champion is beyond my understanding. He is far and away the smoothest worker I think I have ever seen. Him being dragged down with xXx again is annoying. Low-Ki and Skipper need to become his fallowers, give him a darker edge, and for the love of god, get him in the Main Event with Angle. I can't think of a single match I want to see more than Angle/Daniels.

[Kane Knight]

Also, you know that annoying douchebag who plays a record for you, expecting you to be blown away by the band's genuis, and gets mad at you when you're unimpressed, and likely then goes on to say "Well, you've got to hear them live it get it?"

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Soma Joe is Phish. His following seems willing to overlook his uninteresting TNA career. Because, if you "hear him live," everything's alright. And the fact that what he puts itno a record store is mediocre is totally irrelevant.

Joe isn't the worst wrestler. He doesn't flat out suck, but he is boring as all fuck. There are better wrestlers, both major promotion and Indie, that deserve to be used better, and Joe's gotten all sorts of use and attention. To say he's underused is utterly ridiculous.

[IC Champion]

I love you ToVo, I really do, but VKM needs to retire, badly.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, you know that annoying douchebag who plays a record for you, expecting you to be blown away by the band's genuis, and gets mad at you when you're unimpressed, and likely then goes on to say "Well, you've got to hear them live it get it?"

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Soma Joe is Phish. His following seems willing to overlook his uninteresting TNA career. Because, if you "hear him live," everything's alright. And the fact that what he puts itno a record store is mediocre is totally irrelevant.

Joe isn't the worst wrestler. He doesn't flat out suck, but he is boring as all fuck. There are better wrestlers, both major promotion and Indie, that deserve to be used better, and Joe's gotten all sorts of use and attention. To say he's underused is utterly ridiculous.

Then you look at the Pitch and notices Opeth will be in town next week so you offer to get tickets to see them live and give them another honest chance. And you go with all the right intentions with your douche bag friend. You kinda have fun, but at the end of the day it wasn't anywhere near the hype. And you mention it to your friend/douche bag and he is all like "You didn't want to like them from the get go." And their just is no pleasing this cock.

But yeah, that is Joe in a nut shell. I admit he isn't the worst in the ring, but his fans are either blind or crazy and won't listen to raisin about how he is just ok at best.

[BigDaddyCool]

Then you look at the Pitch and notices Opeth will be in town next week so you offer to get tickets to see them live and give them another honest chance. And you go with all the right intentions with your douche bag friend. You kinda have fun, but at the end of the day it wasn't anywhere near the hype. And you mention it to your friend/douche bag and he is all like "You didn't want to like them from the get go." And their just is no pleasing this cock.

But yeah, that is Joe in a nut shell. I admit he isn't the worst in the ring, but his fans are either blind or crazy and won't listen to raisin about how he is just ok at best.

Or the douche bag will say that was an off show, or find some other lame excuse like he is working hurt, or there was a bad vibe that night or something. Never accepting that the band or Joe is cup of tea that not everyone is going to like.

[Innovator]

Daniels would work well if he started treating XXX like the Ministry. All of the underlings do his bidding, then he comes in and picks people apart. Hell he already has a stable assassin in Senshi, let Daniels be the mastermind. Add some other faceless X guys to give them a rub.

[Innovator]

That and get VKM off my screen

[BigDaddyCool]

Daniels would work well if he started treating XXX like the Ministry. All of the underlings do his bidding, then he comes in and picks people apart. Hell he already has a stable assassin in Senshi, let Daniels be the mastermind. Add some other faceless X guys to give them a rub.

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Should he do battle with Raven & his current flock/nest/whatever? It would be cool if he stole Raven's underlings.

[Kane Knight]

Then you look at the Pitch and notices Opeth will be in town next week so you offer to get tickets to see them live and give them another honest chance. And you go with all the right intentions with your douche bag friend. You kinda have fun, but at the end of the day it wasn't anywhere near the hype. And you mention it to your friend/douche bag and he is all like "You didn't want to like them from the get go." And their just is no pleasing this cock.

Like WWKD? Did when I said one match was gay (Well, one PPV ending). But yeah. We're "unfair" for "not giving them a chance" or "trying to find fault."

It's always a conspiracy. the masses are out to hate on Joe.

[BigDaddyCool]

Like WWKD? Did when I said one match was gay (Well, one PPV ending). But yeah. We're "unfair" for "not giving them a chance" or "trying to find fault."

It's always a conspiracy. the masses are out to hate on Joe.

Exactly.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Oh, he used to do more submissions, but now every match he has ends in a pin fall. I don't care what he used to do, now a days he doesn't. So I said his dumb nickname doesn't fit. He is no more a submission machine than Kane is a big red machine anymore.

To be fair TNA gave him that nickname, so it shouldn't be a surprise it doesn't really fit.

Oh and #1, as I've said all along, Alex Shelley.

[BigDaddyCool]

Oh, I see. TNA gives everyone nicknames that mostly just sound cool like the Icon, or the Warmachine, or the Hot Turd.

[Kane Knight]

You mean like the Kurt "The Japanese Buzzsaw" Angle?

[BigDaddyCool]

No, it is Kurt "The Canadian Destroyer" Angle. :roll:

[The One]

I've always enjoyed the fact that Christian Cage is an Instant Classic...despite having been in WWE for close to a decade...yeah he just popped up out of now where didn't he guys...

[Kane Knight]

No, it is Kurt "The Canadian Destroyer" Angle. :roll:

No, that would make sense.

[IC Champion]

I've always enjoyed the fact that Christian Cage is an Instant Classic...despite having been in WWE for close to a decade...yeah he just popped up out of now where didn't he guys...
I think it means, that anything he touches is an Instant Classic.

[Kane Knight]

I think everyone in TNA is an "instant classic." You enter TNA, get a push. Classic TNA booking.

[Xerzes]

Too lazy for five. Eric Young is significantly over. He should probably win a match occasionally. Maybe chase the X-Division title(hey, remember that?) now and then.

[Skippord]

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Should he do battle with Raven & his current flock/nest/whatever? It would be cool if he stole Raven's underlings.
Raven doesnt have underlings anymore

[BigDaddyCool]

Raven doesnt have underlings anymore
What about Black Reign?