Should wrestlers pay their dues?

[The Forgotten One]

I'm not really sure if they should or not.

[natureboycv]

<font color=8307ff><b>A bit, I guess, so yes, then.

Not too much, though.</font></b>

[Kane Knight]

I voted "not sure," because it depends on the wrestler.

For some, the only way they'll get good is through busting their asses and thus, "paying dues."

But then again, what if they decided not to run with "Austin 3:16" or the Rock because they hadn't "paid enough dues?"

[Rock Bottom]

I agree with the above post, however I said no. Just because it's a Hardcore Holly type thing.

[The Forgotten One]

I agree with the above post, however I said no. Just because it's a Hardcore Holly type thing.

:lol: Hardcore Holly is a dick.

[Funky Fly]

Some wrestlers need to spend a lot of time in the mid card to get more comfortable in the ring (Randy Orton), or to build a name for themselfves (John Cena). But some need to be elevated immediately to capitalize on a great gimmick/angle (Austin) or to build up a monster character (Kane, Lesnar).

Of course, Cena and Orton haven't really paid all that many dues, considering the RVDs, Booker Ts, Chris Jerichos and Chris Benoits of the business.

[Fryza]

Depends what you mean by "paying dues."

I don't think a wrestler should just break out into the main events when they debut. All wrestlers should have a little jobbing spell early in their career, ect.

I voted "Yes," but not in the sense Hardcore Holly would say "Yes."

[Funky Fly]

:lol: Hardcore Holly is a dick.
Hardcore Holly is a crab infested chode with genital warts.

[Rock Bottom]

What about Brock Lesnar? He does pretty well considering he was undefeated, then tore down the KotR, mowed through The Rock, 'Taker, all those guys...

However, I DO think they messed up with Brock.

[Rock Bottom]

Also I feel the need to mention Kurt Angle. He is the MAN. I know he was a real wrestler first, but he hardcore adapted to the 'sports-entertainment' type thing quick as hell. And he is a pimp.

[John la Rock]

If they had talent then it doesn't matter. If a wrestler like The Rock or Kurt Angle comes along then they should be pushed right away

[John la Rock]

Also I feel the need to mention Kurt Angle. He is the MAN. I know he was a real wrestler first, but he hardcore adapted to the 'sports-entertainment' type thing quick as hell. And he is a pimp.
Angle and Lesnar both paid their dues in Amateur wrestling . I think that's why they got such big pushes when they first started out

[Watson]

Damn right they do. It's part of the tradition of professional wrestling. A wrestler's gotta pay his dues in order to be great. These guys like Randy Orton and Brock Lesnar were basically handed their spots with little time spent in the minors and indys and such. Randy Orton got his spot only because of his dad and grandfather. That's BS in my opinion. These guys gotta develop their skills more and they're not doing that. Examples of this are Brock's botched Shooting Star Press and Orton's botched RKO from RAW a few weeks ago. I'm not downing either man's physical ability but professional wrestling is not just another sport where physical ability is the only thing that matters these days one of the most important factors of being a successful professional wrestler is charisma and character and personally in my opinion I think some of these rookies are horrible on the mic they seem to be lacking the intensity that the veterans of wrestling possess. "Paying dues" is what made people like Ric Flair, Steve Austin, The Undertaker, and (as much as I HATE TO say it) Triple H great. Guys that get tossed right into the major leagues rather than work there way to the top don't learn all aspects of the business and haven't experienced all the things that make them wise when it comes to being a great worker. Some of you may disgaree with my views but that's just the way I see it. I myself was trained in 1998 and I know I got one hell of a road ahead of working for small promotions, being injured, and jobbing to shitty wrestlers, and all that but when I DO get to the top I'll look back and say, "It sucked sometimes but it was well worth every damn second. Because here I am at the top and I earned my way and gained the respect of my peers as well as the veterans." I think that's a better feeling to experience as a worker rather than immediately being thrown into the main event with a minimal amount of knowledge of the business and experience because to me that's what matters most. When it comes to wrestling; Respect is the most important thing of all. Just think about it..............

[BigDaddyCool]

Here are my two cents...yes. Not because there are others that have been around for ever that deserve it, that is bull shi</>t. It is because if they win it all in their first 2 years, there is no where for them to go, that is why they have lower card titles. Check it, Brock is already a 3 time champ, he hasn't even been here 3 years. If he wins the belt again, who fu</>cking care. If he won the US/IC all it does it make him look bad.

Granted, just because you paid your dues doen't mean shit. It is like being 16, finally you can get a premit, unless you suck. Just like Bradshaw, Billy Gunn, Hardcore Holly, and the like, sure they have been there long enough and paid their dues, but they suck.

[Sephiroth]

Yes i think they should.

[AxelYoungblood]

But then again, what if they decided not to run with "Austin 3:16" or the Rock because they hadn't "paid enough dues?"

Austin did pay his dues, didn't he? all that time as Stunning Steve in WcW and the *AHEM* ringmaster (Ok, so he wasn't the ringmaster for very long, but still i thought that was a shithole gimmick anyway)

[Rock Bottom]

Kurt Angle's push had alot more to it than amateur wrestling.

[Rock Bottom]

Austin and Rock paid their 'dues.' But they also capitalized on their angles quickly. The moves they made with those two were fantastic.

[MVP]

Of course.

The lower midcard and up is around for a reason. It's not just a place for wasted talent to job. A lot of "yet-to-be" stars establish themselves there first. Unfortunately the lower midcard is endemic with wasted talent that it's become a scapegoat for many of WWE's problems.

Although I will agree that one in many superstars need to be established faster than others to capitalize on their gimmicks.

[Savio]

I put a check mark in all of them. But I really meant "no" because if I said anything else I'd be agreeing with Holly

[Kane Knight]

Damn right they do. It's part of the tradition of professional wrestling. A wrestler's gotta pay his dues in order to be great. These guys like Randy Orton and Brock Lesnar were basically handed their spots with little time spent in the minors and indys and such. Randy Orton got his spot only because of his dad and grandfather. That's BS in my opinion. These guys gotta develop their skills more and they're not doing that. Examples of this are Brock's botched Shooting Star Press and Orton's botched RKO from RAW a few weeks ago. I'm not downing either man's physical ability but professional wrestling is not just another sport where physical ability is the only thing that matters these days one of the most important factors of being a successful professional wrestler is charisma and character and personally in my opinion I think some of these rookies are horrible on the mic they seem to be lacking the intensity that the veterans of wrestling possess. "Paying dues" is what made people like Ric Flair, Steve Austin, The Undertaker, and (as much as I HATE TO say it) Triple H great. Guys that get tossed right into the major leagues rather than work there way to the top don't learn all aspects of the business and haven't experienced all the things that make them wise when it comes to being a great worker. Some of you may disgaree with my views but that's just the way I see it. I myself was trained in 1998 and I know I got one hell of a road ahead of working for small promotions, being injured, and jobbing to shitty wrestlers, and all that but when I DO get to the top I'll look back and say, "It sucked sometimes but it was well worth every damn second. Because here I am at the top and I earned my way and gained the respect of my peers as well as the veterans." I think that's a better feeling to experience as a worker rather than immediately being thrown into the main event with a minimal amount of knowledge of the business and experience because to me that's what matters most. When it comes to wrestling; Respect is the most important thing of all. Just think about it..............

How's the Kool Aid?

[Kane Knight]

Austin did pay his dues, didn't he? all that time as Stunning Steve in WcW and the *AHEM* ringmaster (Ok, so he wasn't the ringmaster for very long, but still i thought that was a shithole gimmick anyway)

Way to take a point too literally.

[Kane Knight]

Kurt Angle's push had alot more to it than amateur wrestling.

Considering the odds that ameteur wrestling taught him how to cut promos...

[Rob]

There is only one company so no they shouldn't. In a pefect world, I definately think they should but this is a time where stars need to be made and there isn't room for guys to pay their dues. You think Chris Jericho should have been jobbed out at the start of his WWE run just to "pay his dues"? He paid his dues in this business LONG before he showed up in the WWF.

You have to remember this - There is nowhere for guys to pay their dues now.

[Loose Cannon]

How's the Kool Aid?
:lol:

[Stickman]

Ah yes, The Ringmaster. I hated that guy.

[tucsonspeed6]

When it comes to paying dues, there's no reason to say that Orton doesn't deserve his push because there are people on this site who think Maven should be the next champ. Where was he paying his dues? I watched him learn how to cut a promo. He practiced it once and they said he was half ways decent so he ended up with a career. Orton might have gotten into wrestling school because of his father's influence, but at least he didn't get through in rush job fashion like the tough enough kids. THank god tough enough is over with. I hate that show.

[Rob]

It's the same guy who is Stone Cold now. Or as Mike Tyson would say "Cold Stone"

[Kane Knight]

It's the same guy who is Stone Cold now. Or as Mike Tyson would say "Cold Stone"

Before eating his children.

[Rob]

Remember Shawn Michaels is also an up and coming superstar.

[Loose Cannon]

I voted No. Right now, to me, if they have what it takes, then let them showcase it. No matter how old they are or how long they've been in the business, if they can entertain me, then more power to them.

Take Maven. I like Maven a lot and I can't wait to see him as a heel. I think he can be one hell of a heel IMO. He can use the whole, "I never paid any dues and I made it to the big dance" kind of thing to his advantage. Maven entertains me when he steps into the ring. He's got charisma and he's a decent wrestler, who will only get better as time goes on.

[Watson]

How's the Kool Aid?

Uh, Pardon mew for asking stupid question, Mr. "I-Must-Always-Try-To-Be Funny" but what the Hell does that mean?

[Rob]

Uh, Pardon mew for asking stupid question, Mr. "I-Must-Always-Try-To-Be Funny" but what the Hell does that mean?

tip - Sarcasm doesn't suit you.

[Ian]

I voted No. Right now, to me, if they have what it takes, then let them showcase it. No matter how old they are or how long they've been in the business, if they can entertain me, then more power to them.

Take Maven. I like Maven a lot and I can't wait to see him as a heel. I think he can be one hell of a heel IMO. He can use the whole, "I never paid any dues and I made it to the big dance" kind of thing to his advantage. Maven entertains me when he steps into the ring. He's got charisma and he's a decent wrestler, who will only get better as time goes on.

And he can dropkick.

[Watson]

tip - Sarcasm doesn't suit you.

tip - Never mix beer with ice cream :D

[Mr. JL]

How's the Kool Aid?
lol

[Kane Knight]

Uh, Pardon mew for asking stupid question, Mr. "I-Must-Always-Try-To-Be Funny" but what the Hell does that mean?

God, even JR uses the old "Drinking the Kool Aid" cliché. One would think that if even wrestling commentators are using it, it'd be pretty simple to figure out.

We're not exactly waxing philosophical here.

[Rob]

God, even JR uses the old "Drinking the Kool Aid" cliché. One would think that if even wrestling commentators are using it, it'd be pretty simple to figure out.

We're not exactly waxing philosophical here.

We're not? :wtf:

[Kane Knight]

We're not? :wtf:

What I mean is that this is far from our usual debates on Hulk Hogan as Nietzsche's Superman ideal personified in a modern medium...

[Watson]

God, even JR uses the old "Drinking the Kool Aid" cliché. One would think that if even wrestling commentators are using it, it'd be pretty simple to figure out.

We're not exactly waxing philosophical here.


Shit, dude, my bad. I got the impression you was just making fun of me because of my comments or the fact that I'm an indy wrestler. Sorry about that, didn't mean to jump to conclusions. I get what you're saying, I didn't even think about "that" Kool Aid cliche.

[Rob]

2/1 says he still doesn't know what it means :p