Triple H vs. Jeff Hardy: WHY?

[Fox]

Why are they having two of the ONLY over faces on RAW face each other at Armaggeddon?

Yeah, I get the storyline "logic" with having Coach punish them by wrestling each other. That works. But why are they REALLY doing this? Just like they gave Jericho that "never happened" World Title win to test out his reaction from the fans. Just like they gave Chris Benoit a false WWE Title win on PPV in 2000 against The Rock, only to restart the match - to test out Benoit's fan reaction.

So, are they trying to elevate Jeff to the main event by wrestling HHH? The only way this could be done would be to have Jeff get a win over Hunter on the PPV. Any type of a loss is only going to be seen as a solid, compounding, verification of who Jeff Hardy is in the great sceheme of the WWE's rankings: an upper mid-carder for life. On the other hand, a real victory would be just the final notch that Jeff would need on his proverbial belt to be seen as a real, viable, glass-ceiling breaking new main eventer in the mold of Eddie Guerrero, Edge, and Shawn Michaels before him.

Or, is this some type of punishment from the ego-driven Triple H, trying to knock the legs out from under the only other person besides Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho that could be seen as a top face on RAW? Jeff's reactions have been huge lately, sometimes even outpopping The Game himself.

Thoughts?

[BigDaddyCool]

Further more why isn't Jeff getting a shot at Orton?

[Jeritron]

I see what you're saying. It'd be stupid if they had him job. If he beats HHH clean, that's great because it helps him and doesnt' really hurt HHH. I mean, if Rock can job to Hurricane and Angle can job to black machisimo, why can't HHH lose a hard fought match to Hardy, maybe even abruptly with a roll up or close call third count.

But it Hardy loses, its fucking retarded because he's as over as anyone has been for a long time.

Either way, I see this as your typical face vs face punishment match to drive a wedge. I think the best bet for this match (if they're not gonna have Hardy go over) would be to have a suprisingly close and hard fought match with Jeff giving HHH the match of his life. Have them fight it right down to the wire and when it looks like Jeff might win, in come the fat slobs to beat them down. Then it is clear what the plan was all along.

[Nark Order]

I think if they play it like Jeff is the underdog and they're expecting him to get walked through it'll work out in Jeff's favor. Remember that ladder match with the Undertaker forever ago? "LIVE YOUR DREAM KID"

You could have Jeff almost pull out victory a number of times but have Trips get him at the end cause he's Trips.

[Fox]

But that doesn't help to elevate him. Sure he can wrestle with Hunter and probably look good, but it suggests that he can't win in the big time. And that will translate over to Jeff wrestling Edge, Batista, Orton, HBK, Jericho, Cena, or anyone else in the future (all of those guys, with the exceptions of Jericho and Edge, have beaten HHH at some point or another).

I think they either need to go all the way with this thing with Jeff, giving him the win, maybe even a ROH-style handshake before and after, and making him look like a million bucks.

Then they can shaft his ass down to Smackdown to wrestle for the World Heavyweight Title for all I care. I just do not want to see another promising young star get shit-canned by the HHH-factor again.

[Mr. JL]

I think this match has the potential to be an absolutely great.

[Kane Knight]

Not seeing a problem here.

[Johnny Vegas]

As long as Jeff wins, i have NO problem. I don't care for the whole Undertaker v. Jeff Hardy thing again. That has HAPPENED already. Like Fox said, we don't need to see HHH dominate and win b/c not only will HHH STILL get the same pops, but it will make him look like A-rod/Peyton M. pre-Superbowl win.

Seriously, if Jeff does not win this, then the WWE will eventualy go bankrupt because Jeff's fanbase is about half of the crowd, the way it sounds on RAW.

[Xero]

LOL at people thinking Jeff will win.

Especially if the Boone rumor about Triple H turning heel is true, there's no way Jeff is going over.

[Johnny Vegas]

But even you've got to admit, X, that shit would be pointless if he (Jeff) lost.

[Xero]

If it does turn him it won't exactly be pointless.

What better way to get heat than to have Triple H beat the shit out of one of the bigger crowd favorites?

Am I saying it's the best way to go? No, but even with Jeff losing it's still a good way to give him a high profile match. I don't think he'll be buried. In fact, this could help him more that it would hurt him.

[KingofOldSchool]

Actually I see Hardy winning at the PPV and HHH turns heel afterwards and then getting his win back at the Royal Rumble.

[Kane Knight]

But even you've got to admit, X, that shit would be pointless if he (Jeff) lost.

Turning Trips heel seems to be precisely the point. Why would that be pointless?

[Skull316]

Jeff starts getting the better of Trips, Trips gets his trusty sledgehammer and wrecks Jeff. DQ win, and Trips is instant heel.

[Loose Cannon]

I can see it ending up like Warrior/Savage at SS 92

[Jeritron]

I have a feeling this match is gonna be awesome too

[Jeritron]

I strongly believe HHH will begin to dominate him, and he'll come from behind. Maybe turn the tides by kicking out of a pedigree last minute (after a delayed pin). Then have HHH like "wtf" and have Jeff fight back and hit a swanton, only to have HHH kick out. Then I think Umaga and Snitsky will beat them down cuz they have nothing left and they'll continue on as a tag team.

Then you have the mutual respect elevated, but HHH is kinda weary of Jeff and at the same time he still never beat HHH or vice versa. Have them run as a tag team until the heel in HHH sets itself free and he becomes jealous. And as The Game he strikes at his friendly rival when he's most vulnerable to turn heel and they fued

[Kane Knight]

He'll probably hit all his major moves, go for a pin, get his momentum stopped by the leaping knee counter, BAM! Pedigree, it's over.

[Jeritron]

I'd rather see no clean finish, and if HHH has to go over him in the long run have it be in a 2/3 falls match or something

[Jeritron]

This is kinda stupid, but I envision Jeff Hardy winning the title (if and when he ever does) in a ladder match where he's faced with the choice of hitting a death defying spot or grabbing the belt and is legitimately torn. Grabs the belt and still hits the swanton through a table belt in hand haha

Just a stupid thought. Would kinda suck, but would be so appropo

[Johnny Vegas]

Turning Trips heel seems to be precisely the point. Why would that be pointless?

Not the fact that HHH turns or w/e. I'm talking about a CLEAN pin from HHH, w/o any turning whatsoever. THAT would be pointless because Jeff would get nothing out of it, but some of these scenarios ppl are typing above will most likely happen.

Now if Jeff doesn't go over cleanly, HHH should use the sledge as a "scapegoat", showing that he "can't" beat Jeff clean. The whole Snitsky/Umaga coming in thing MAYBE would work just to set up another match for HHH/Jeff, maybe a gimmick type of match. And, tbh, the crowd reactions will probably determine who will turn. But, then again, i think HHH will probably turn regardless.

It would actually be fun if they went at it like Booker T/Benoit did back in WCW with the "best of" series. Would make for interesting television and have gimmicks like 2/3 falls, ladder match, and finally No DQ match. I think that that would elevate Jeff and at the same time show ppl that HHH still has some left in him.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I remember thinking the same question to myself when I heard that Rock ’N Sock Connection would fight Evolution (Orton, Flair & Batista, minus Trips for obvious reasons) @ Mania XX in ’04. But then I put 2 and 2 together after the show and figured that it must have been WWE Management putting Orton and Batista over a couple of the most well-known and respected superstars in WWE history (or at least of the mid-late 1990's), to get them ready to take the next step as main eventers in the future, and as world champions. If Jeff doesn’t go over HHH @ Armageddon, it’s probably a sign that he will be buried soon after. If, however, Jeff does win, then there’s a good possibility he will become a main event champ within the next year or so. But, also, J.R. mentioned something about Snitsky wanting Jeff’s belt, so before he could even become the next WWE or World Champ he'd have to drop the I.C. strap to him or whoever Vince thinks in his own mind is worthy of it...

[Stickman]

I think HHH will win because it's a non title match.

[Johnny Vegas]

True that@DAMn . I think that they will pull the earlier HHH/Hardy thing where HHH was the IC champ and he dropped it to Jeff to move back up. Snitsky as champ would be interesting, but GOD i want the title on Santino so bad. Great men have held that title and that title has MADE careers. And as much as i don't want to see it, they just need to get rid of ECW instead of it being VincECW. That shit is for the birds. Have ppl like CM, Morrison, Burke, BDV, and others go to either SD! or RAW to spice things up on tv. I'd love an Edge/Batista v. CM Punk fued. Morrison v. Flair could elevate Morrison and he could be the one to end Flair's career but that is just a thought. There are sooo many mix-ups that could happen, but it will be at VincECW's expense.

Back to Jeff/HHH tho lol, Jeff could definitely contend for the title if he takes some fucking acting classes or gets some coaches or something. I'm sure he'd agree to it if he's getting a run. Tbh, i like it better if stars didn't have coaches, but Jeff's reign, if he gets one, will be short-lived if he can't "rock the mic".

[Theo Dious]

I can't see a HHH heel turn coming out of this. Where's the heat in turning on Jeff fucking Hardy?

[Johnny Vegas]

Yea, exactly.

[Jeritron]

Yea wheres the heat gonna come from when Triple fuckin H, the heel to end all heels, turns on the shows most popular and innocent (never been heel) superstar and beats him up. He's smaller too.

If HHH turns on and beats up Jeff Hardy he'll get tremendous heel heat. I actually can't think of 2 superstars who better examplify this type of heel turn. And usually, this type of heel turn is the most effective with the exception of selling out to a McMahon maybe.

[Jeritron]

A cold hearted bitch breaking a retards heart and humilitating him in the ring. That gets pretty decent heat. But aside from that

[IC Champion]

Actually I see Hardy winning at the PPV and HHH turns heel afterwards and then getting his win back at the Royal Rumble.

My thoughts exactly.

[Funky Fly]

Actually I see Hardy winning at the PPV and HHH turns heel afterwards and then getting his win back at the Royal Rumble.

Get out of my head, you mind witch. :mad:

[Mr. Pierre]

A street fight between the two at the Rumble (8 year anniversary of HHH/Cactus) would be great :y: (if Trips does turn heel after Armageddon)

EDIT: Plus with a street fight, it's almost impossible to make Hardy look weak. Kicking out after a couple of sick power move spots, and also dishing out a few high-flying spots of his own would make for a great match in MSG.

[DarKCentaur]

What if Jeff turns heel? Just a thought

[weather vane]

Boy do I hate Jeff Hardy. I hope he loses to IC title soon and goes into the MIB match at Wrestlemania. It is all he is good for.

[Fox]

Yea wheres the heat gonna come from when Triple fuckin H, the heel to end all heels, turns on the shows most popular and innocent (never been heel) superstar and beats him up. He's smaller too.

Sorry to nitpick, but Jeff Hardy was technically a heel when he debuted alongside Matt as part of Gangrel's "New Brood."

In fact, he was a "heel" up until the No Mercy Ladder Match against Edge and Christian, where the win, the overness that followed, and their falling out with Terri Runnels and Gangrel turned them face.

[Fox]

Back on topic though, what if Jeff Hardy turned heel and started wearing like a suit and tie sort of deal out to the ring, cut his hair, shaved part of his signature sideburns, and starts acting like a primadonna ala Corporate Rock?

Would that work? Ever? Because it's the only way I see Jeff Hardy turning heel and getting over as one with his teenybopper/goth-wannabe fans.

[Jeritron]

That would work if he could talk, but he can't. So he should stay the way he is because it's only getting more over with time, as opposed to dying out. He's been the same Jeff Hardy since 99 and that's what people still want.

[Kane Knight]

That would work if he could talk, but he can't. So he should stay the way he is because it's only getting more over with time, as opposed to dying out. He's been the same Jeff Hardy since 99 and that's what people still want.

He's getting the same pop he got five years ago. It only sounds bigger because the crowds are mostly dead. How the fuck is he getting more over?

[Corkscrewed]

Einstein would say it's all relative. Therefore, you are wrong, and physics is right. :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

What I think will happen, is that Triple H beats Jeff Hardy clean. It won't be an easy win, and they'll probably have Triple H stare at Jeff Hardy after the match, in a "Wow, that was tough" moment, as the commentators talk about his resilience.

It's not likely to happen, but I think the feud should continue, with Hardy wanting to defend the IC Title against Triple H, to prove he can beat him. The Game laughs at Jeff, and says he and the belt are beneath him (without fully turning heel), and warns Jeff not to get on his bad side. Jeff tells Triple H that he will eliminate him from the Royal Rumble Match, and Triple H says that won't happen. During the Rumble, Triple H enters, and beats on everything that moves, maybe tosses a few people; but a few entries later, Jeff Hardy runs out, goes right after Triple H, and unloads all his signature moves on him. Jeff Hardy then tosses Triple H from the match, as he said he would.

Triple H is none to happy about getting tossed, and stands on the ramp, smiling at Jeff Hardy as he goes about his business in the ring, and then Triple H runs back in, hitting a few referees is they try and stop him, and he beats on Jeff Hardy with signature moves of his own, and then tosses Jeff. Heel turn complete. You can even have him tease a sledgehammer shot, only for the referees to swarm Triple H, and security to escort him out.

This leads to Jeff Hardy and Triple H having a second match, for the IC Title, on either RAW or even No Way Out. Triple H says he wants the belt, because the belt is only as good as the Champion, and Jeff Hardy is nowhere near The Game's level. Triple H talks about how the belt was once the best stepping stone to becoming World Champion, but it's lost stature over the years, and he plans to restore it. He can even bring up his Ladder Match against The Rock, talking about he climbed a ladder to become Intercontinental Champion, and all Jeff wants to do is jump off ladders with the belt. Jeff can retort that he is more focused than ever, and he wants to be the greatest IC Champion of all-time. The IC Title Match is won by Triple H, after he cheats a little, and The Game enters his sixth reign as WWE Intercontinental Champion.

The first WWE Intercontinental Championship Match to be held at a WrestleMania event in six years is signed, as Triple H defends the belt against Jeff Hardy. The Game says that he wants to embarrass Jeff Hardy on this grand stage, and Jeff says he will finally climb the ladder, rather than jump off it, at Triple H's expense. The match sees Triple H look for a superplex, only to get knocked off, and hit with a Swanton Bomb. Triple H looks to be stirring, so Jeff goes up and hits a second, and then gets the pin. Jeff Hardy wins the Intercontinental Championship for the fifth time from Triple H, his second victory from him, in actuality. Triple H then tries to get some post-match revenge on Jeff, but Matt Hardy (who hopefully wins the US Title from MVP earlier in the night), runs out for the save, and The Hardys celebrate with their belts together.

[Jeritron]

Seriously, what you suggested wasn't bad at all. I love the use of the Rumble in the fued. But in that event I wouldn't have him turn heel on Jeff at the Rumble. Rather later down the road during a tag match when it's least expected.

Then book the Mania fued from there. I don't think it should be for the IC title though, since that fued would have plenty of dynamic on it's own.


As for the Matt Hardy thing, got me thinking...


A Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy fued would be so great sometime down the road, except for the fact that it'd fail where it could be amazing..the promo department. Neither has the ability to carry the ball with the promos, which would be a huge part of such a fued. It'd still be interesting, and probably should still happen, but thanks to neither one of them being any good on the stick a potentially classic fued will fall short.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seriously, what you suggested wasn't bad at all. I love the use of the Rumble in the fued. But in that event I wouldn't have him turn heel on Jeff at the Rumble. Rather later down the road during a tag match when it's least expected.

Then book the Mania fued from there. I don't think it should be for the IC title though, since that fued would have plenty of dynamic on it's own.


As for the Matt Hardy thing, got me thinking...


A Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy fued would be so great sometime down the road, except for the fact that it'd fail where it could be amazing..the promo department. Neither has the ability to carry the ball with the promos, which would be a huge part of such a fued. It'd still be interesting, and probably should still happen, but thanks to neither one of them being any good on the stick a potentially classic fued will fall short.

Well, I am a huge mark for him, but Matt Hardy is nowhere near as bad on the mic as people make him out to be. Especially as a heel, which he would be in this feud. Just have him act all cocky, like the asshole bigger brother. Have him talk about how he always got the girls, he always got the better grades, he talked Jeff into the business, he worked harder to be the better wrestler, and he pretty much carried their team to Tag Team Titles, but somehow Jeff keeps pulling in front of him, and he realises now that he has to choose between letting Jeff Hardy criminally overshadow him, and being a good soul; or squashing the leech and choosing this business he has proved he is willing to lose everything for. I can see Matt actually giving a great promo like that, and just turning into a dick who says that Jeff makes physical sacrifices, but he makes personal ones.

You know what would be seriously awesome, though? Matt Hardy and Triple H start hanging around as heels after WrestleMania. The two are just a more natural fit than Trips & Jeff, in my opinion, and in some kind of new heel stable (maybe with HBK, in that proposed heel answer to DX), they would be pretty great. Matt could become Triple H's "Cerebral Apprentice," or something. Matt Hardy could even win the US Title from MVP, and then the IC Title from Jeff Hardy, and carry both belts around for the while (he needs to become a little more decorated, in my opinion). It'd be a great way to go if they decided to end the brand split, I think. Have Matt Hardy unify the secondary titles.

I can understand you not thinking that Triple H vs. Jeff Hardy needs to be for the IC Title, and I somewhat agree, but I think it would add to the feud, at least a little. I'm sick of the IC Title being left of the Mania card, and Triple H being involved in an IC Title match would be one of the few ways I can see the WWE making the belt Mania worthy. Triple H costing Jeff the belt when their feud picks up, would be fine, as well. Part of me just wants to see some parallels between Matt & Jeff at WrestleMania, though, and them both challenging for secondary titles is the most realistic, at this point.

[.44 Magdalene]

I can't honestly see Matt Hardy as being a credible heel.

Yeah, he might've started that way... but he hasn't been one for a long, long time.

...And there's a very good reason for that.

[Kane Knight]

Einstein would say it's all relative. Therefore, you are wrong, and physics is right. :shifty:

HE also says that the only universal contant is the dead silence of a Chris Masters segment, marked "c"

[Fox]

I can't honestly see Matt Hardy as being a credible heel.

Yeah, he might've started that way... but he hasn't been one for a long, long time.

...And there's a very good reason for that.

I'm not trying to be a dick; serious question. Were you a wrestling fan during the Mattitude/Matt Hardy V.1 shtick he did with Shannon Moore back in the Hey-man Day of Smackdown? That stuff was golden. He was consistently the most entertaining promo/segment on the show, and he was actually getting very over with the Cruiserweight Title, of all things.


I like Alienoid's idea of HHH vs. Hardy at Mania, but I'm just still not sure that this would ever happen. HHH has such a long history of destroying promising careers, I'm afraid that any program Jeff would work with him would end with Hunter still being Hunter, and Jeff still just being Jeff.

It's difficult with Jeff's gimmick to imagine him as a main event player. The WWF/E and WCW have always promoted the "high school jock" type (Cena, Rock, Goldberg, Luger, Hogan, Nash, etc). The only successful face goth-type gimmicks in the recent era of wrestling have been Sting as the dark crow, and Undertaker. Sting had the nWo feud to fuel him, and Undertaker is just, well, The fucking Undertaker.

Jeff isn't as big as Sting or Taker, and his look is nowhere near as "cool" as either of theirs were either.

That's why I mentioned the corporate/suit gimmick for him as a change, but as was said, he doesn't seem to have the mic skills to back up that type of a gimmick.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I really, really want to see Jeff Hardy main event for the WWE Title some day; I have since his Ladder Match with Taker way back when. It's just I have trouble finding a workable scenario to get him over as a top star, and I just don't see Triple H, maybe the ONLY guy who could actually do it himself, taking the hit to do something like that.

Time will tell.

[.44 Magdalene]

No, I'm not saying Matt's not credible (though I do see him as less credible than Jeff, as I've said on previous occassions). I just can't imagine Matt being a good heel.

I mean, look at him. Is he a good wrestler? Yes. Decent on the mic? Sure. Intimidating? ...Fuck no. He's an underdog type. HE WILL NOT DIE. Yeah, he may be entertaining, but that doesn't make for heel heat. It'd be like Rey Mysterio trying to turn heel. The only way it would work is if Matt Hardy turned into a cheating asshole type, and I can't really see that, either. He doesn't really have that look, I don't think.

I didn't like AJ Styles' heel turn for very similar reasons.

[Heyman]

Personally, I think Jeff will eventually get a victory in this (whether it's clean or not): Here's why:

1) Jeff's way over right now.....the WWE would have to be COMPLETE retards to have HHH squash Jeff. Even if Triple H wins their first bout, I can definitely see Jeff winning their next one.

2) Triple H loves proving critics wrong. A few years ago, Triple H proved his critics wrong by doing the CLEAN job to Batista and Cena in back to back WM's. With the emergence of Jeff Hardy, I think Triple H will once again try and prove to others that he is a "team player." Somewhere down the road, Triple H will get his favour returned (i.e. Wrestlemania main-event?).

CONCLUSION: Triple H will give Jeff Hardy the "rub" (i.e. HANDJOB) so that Hardy becomes a credible main-eventer in the eyes of the fans. However - Triple H will also use this opportunity to make himself look like a "team player".....and will cash in on his favour at a more important time (i.e. Wrestlemania). The WWE needs new stars right now, and so there's no way Jeff Hardy will look weak in this.

p.s. Also - I don't see anyone turning heel either. I think Triple H will stay face for quite some time.

[Fox]

....again, did you or did you not see Matt Hardy Version 1, Mattitude, Sensei of Mattitude, with Shannon Moore as his bitch?

[Fox]

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[Kane Knight]

No, I'm not saying Matt's not credible (though I do see him as less credible than Jeff, as I've said on previous occassions). I just can't imagine Matt being a good heel.

I mean, look at him. Is he a good wrestler? Yes. Decent on the mic? Sure. Intimidating? ...Fuck no. He's an underdog type. HE WILL NOT DIE. Yeah, he may be entertaining, but that doesn't make for heel heat. It'd be like Rey Mysterio trying to turn heel. The only way it would work is if Matt Hardy turned into a cheating asshole type, and I can't really see that, either. He doesn't really have that look, I don't think.

I didn't like AJ Styles' heel turn for very similar reasons.

But he was a heel. and it worked. I think he's better as a face, but that doesn't mean he can't be a heel.

Matt can come off as a douchebag pretty easily. In fact, he appears to be one in real life, so it's not really a stretch to see him play something so natural to him.

[.44 Magdalene]

I guess I did miss that part, then. I only remember v1 being a face.



Then again, I missed a shitload of Smackdown.

[.44 Magdalene]

I'm still gonna go ahead and say he sucks as a heel, just for the sake of talking out of my ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm still gonna go ahead and say he sucks as a heel, just for the sake of talking out of my ass.

:lol:

Still makes you more credible than half the posters here.

Honestly, as you said, the only way Matt Hardy works as a heel, is playing the arrogant asshole you want to see get his ass kicked. That works perfect for someone of Matt Hardy's build. He just strikes me as a guy with a few missing parts, who is fine sacrificing everyone around him for his own personal goals, whilst hiding in the shadows when the shit starts to fly.

WrestleMania was a perfect example of how great a heel Matt Hardy can be. He didn't really turn, but he coerced Jeff into diving off a ladder, effectively using his brother's body to take out his arch-nemesis, and eliminating two opponents of his; then he got Sharmell, a bitch in kayfabe terms, but a woman nonetheless, and threatened to give her a Twist of Fate, which got her husband to sacrifice the win to save her, allowing Matt to hold off on a loss.

Matt Hardy is over as fuck as a babyface, but the character the WWE has had him play since his return in 2005 has been really bland. He suffers from the "heel loses his edge" syndrome. The easiest way to remedy this, is to have him come back from his injury a little more angry, and a little more arrogant.

I just think of how awesome things could have been if Matt Hardy had returned with Mattitude in 2005. He was so fucking over when he returned. People in my neighbourhood were actually throwing up the V1 hand-sign.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not trying to be a dick; serious question. Were you a wrestling fan during the Mattitude/Matt Hardy V.1 shtick he did with Shannon Moore back in the Hey-man Day of Smackdown? That stuff was golden. He was consistently the most entertaining promo/segment on the show, and he was actually getting very over with the Cruiserweight Title, of all things.


I like Alienoid's idea of HHH vs. Hardy at Mania, but I'm just still not sure that this would ever happen. HHH has such a long history of destroying promising careers, I'm afraid that any program Jeff would work with him would end with Hunter still being Hunter, and Jeff still just being Jeff.

It's difficult with Jeff's gimmick to imagine him as a main event player. The WWF/E and WCW have always promoted the "high school jock" type (Cena, Rock, Goldberg, Luger, Hogan, Nash, etc). The only successful face goth-type gimmicks in the recent era of wrestling have been Sting as the dark crow, and Undertaker. Sting had the nWo feud to fuel him, and Undertaker is just, well, The fucking Undertaker.

Jeff isn't as big as Sting or Taker, and his look is nowhere near as "cool" as either of theirs were either.

That's why I mentioned the corporate/suit gimmick for him as a change, but as was said, he doesn't seem to have the mic skills to back up that type of a gimmick.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I really, really want to see Jeff Hardy main event for the WWE Title some day; I have since his Ladder Match with Taker way back when. It's just I have trouble finding a workable scenario to get him over as a top star, and I just don't see Triple H, maybe the ONLY guy who could actually do it himself, taking the hit to do something like that.

Time will tell.

To be honest, part of that is why I never really got into Jeff Hardy. His image has just never captured my imagination. When Matt Hardy went singles, his image changed a fair bit. He started wearing awesome fucking pants, mainly. He also got new music, and pretty much a new character. Jeff kind of shook his image up a bit, mainly getting more "street" with it, but he was pretty much the same Jeff Hardy.

The suit idea is not a bad one, but I wouldn't actually turn Jeff heel with it. I think a heel turn would be great under the helm of someone like Jim Cornette or Paul Heyman, who could do something with a heel Jeff, but I think he should eventually cut his hair in his feud with Triple H. Have the change established as Jeff Hardy's cry to have Triple H take him seriously. Maybe give Jeff some new pants, and even new entrance music. It'd be so much more of a mark-out moment when The Hardys came out together to their classic theme then.

If they took those steps, and had Matt and Jeff celebrate in the ring to The Hardys' theme music, it would be a pretty awesome moment. Both Matt and Jeff are overcoming the stigma of being small tag team guys, slowly but steadily, however, I can personally see why someone sees Jeff Hardy come out, and they absolutely can't buy him as a main event player.

Also, I don't expect the WWE to bury Jeff Hardy in his match with Triple H. I don't expect Jeff to win, but just the little details regarding Jeff. The way he was allowed to survive in the Elimination Match at Survivor Series, and the way he has been getting so many falls to his name recently. Wasn't he the guy who got the final pin at Survivor Series, actually? I'd have put money on it being Triple H. I'm fairly certain he is in support of the push Jeff Hardy is getting.

[Fox]

That's what I thought when HHH started feuding with Booker T. We all saw how that ended.

[Kane Knight]

I guess I did miss that part, then. I only remember v1 being a face.



Then again, I missed a shitload of Smackdown.

Bah.

I have a tendency to not remember large chunks of pro wrestling anyway.

I mostly remember V ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH! as a Heel because my friends bitched. They were all markish reasons, mind. Not that I'm saying people are wrong for booing the heels, just that all the criticisms seemed to come more from "The pretty boy face is now bad...boo hoo."

[DAMN iNATOR]

Bah.

I have a tendency to not remember large chunks of pro wrestling anyway.

I mostly remember V ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH! as a Heel because my friends bitched. They were all markish reasons, mind. Not that I'm saying people are wrong for booing the heels, just that all the criticisms seemed to come more from "The pretty boy face is now bad...boo hoo."

Knowing you though, I'm sure you just straightened em right out with one of your patented bitch-slaps followed by a nice long “GET OVER IT!”:lol:

:shifty:

[thedamndest]

My two cents: Matt Hardy can get over as a heel in his V1 role. The Hardys together can get over as heels in a similar role, possibly in some McMahon related sell-out fashion. Jeff by himself? I see him having a way tougher time getting over as a heel because of his history as an underdog and lack of heel promo skills.