Heartbreak and Triumph: The Shawn Michaels Story

[St. Jimmy]

Amazing documentary. Good inside into Shawns' life in the 90s'. Triple H finally fessing up on camera that he was the first one to speak up on the idea of the screw job. Not that anyone really cares, but hearing Triple H say "Fuck Him" when talking about Bret made me kinda mark out. I suggest a watch.

[thedamndest]

Was it supposed to look like Bret Hart submitted to the Sharpshooter, or was the idea to create the evil Mr. McMahon character right then?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Someone should post a torrent for this so that I may have it without purchase.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

it's up on dailymotion last I checked for anyone that's interested. Just y'know, search for HBK story or HBK DVD or something along those lines.

[IC Champion]

Fuck HHH.

[IC Champion]

Seriously, fuck HHH and his two quads, Hart was twice the wrestler HHH could have ever hoped to be.

[St. Jimmy]

Seriously, fuck HHH and his two quads, Hart was twice the wrestler HHH could have ever hoped to be.

Was that before, or after the stroke? Cause I really see no difference.

[Avenger]

lol

all-round considering all the qualities you might want in a pro-wrestler in the last 20 years. Trips is better. sorry

[Nark Order]

*Waiting for angry Canadians to make war in this thread*

[BlackDawn2024]

Hunter>Bret

Shawn's DVD>Bret's DVD

[Xero]

lol

all-round considering all the qualities you might want in a pro-wrestler in the last 20 years. Trips is better. sorry

[IC Champion]

Fuckin Americans.

[Xero]

I am Bret Hart. :| I show no emotions in promos. :| When I do, I look like a pansy. :mad: America sucks. :| I'm gonna go to WCW. :| Why you screw me, Vince? :'( Goldberg's foot looks nice... *SPLAT* :drool::wtf:

[addy2hotty]

Excellent documentary. Seemed like Shawn was letting off a lot of steam and getting out a lot of demons, you could see him struggling when talking about his drug problems.

Moment of the doc for me though....easy...

'Fuck him...' - too true Hunter, too true.

DiBiase said it right as well - '...it shouldn't matter where you lose.'

[St. Jimmy]

Xero Limit ftw.

[IC Champion]

I am Bret Hart. :| I show no emotions in promos. :| When I do, I look like a pansy. :mad: America sucks. :| I'm gonna go to WCW. :| Why you screw me, Vince? :'( Goldberg's foot looks nice... *SPLAT* :drool::wtf:

We are no longer friends. Good day.

[Nark Order]

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[Disturbed316]

lol Bret was awesome, fuck all of you!

[weather vane]

Great DVD. Just watched it. It almost got me excited for Wrestlemania this year.

[Nark Order]

Wonderful documentary. You can watch the entire thing on youtube if you're cheap. I did but it makes me want to buy it now.

[PorkSoda]

Great DVD.

They could have added so many more matches though. I'm not gonna spend money on From The Vault to get more SM matches.

Seriously, they forgot the match with Vader, Mankind, Taker at Badd Blood, 60 minute iron man, didnt include the barber shop segment.....

Other than that, its great. Its still worth buying.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Amazing. HBK dvd and most of the chat is centered once again around Bret. Bigger name value.

Seriously though, the kissing of the ass is astounding whenever HHH or HBK or Flair are involved. Brisco called HBK heroic...lol, for what? And secondly, bit of an exaggerration much?

Then Trips calls Bret unprofessional. What they FAIL to note was Bret telling HBK to his face he was willing to job to him. HBK said "thanks, I appreciate it, but I'm not willing to do the same for you." What class and professionalism there. A spit in the face to Bret, and the business. Bret then said fuck him, why should I job to a guy like that? Cant blame him.

Also take note: HBK had a habit of dropping titles. Not jobbing and putting guys over.

Another note: HBK would listen to Vince if it benfits him to do so. If it doesnt, he whines and squirms his way out of doing them.

So yeah, anybody calling Bret unprofessional and then praising HBK...lolz.

Dibiase, good guy, but it wasnt about losing the title in Canada..it was about a bit of reason, HBK being a bitch, Bret had more time on the contract..well into december. And oh yeah, it was more about not jobbing to a guy that wouldnt appreciate it...you think Bret wouldnt job to Austin or Taker in Canada? Fuck yeah he would have. Hell, he's jobbed enough in Canada.

btw, talk about being a bitch..HBK was pissed that he had to do the deed for a man like Austin at Mania..when it was clearly best for business and Austins time.

So fuck HBK, the biggest pussy going. btw, nice gay garb there HBK..fucking wearing a chicks tank top throughout the docu.

And fuck HHH for being a pussy that would never spew shit to a guys face.

Good matches though, I enjoyed those.:y:

[Nark Order]

Zen, you're a moron that did not watch the doc. They spoke of bret for maybe 5-6 minutes.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Zen, you're a moron that did not watch the doc. They spoke of bret for maybe 5-6 minutes.

I didnt watch the doc? I saw HBK crying about wanting to be there for his son in a gut wrenching, touching moment. About the only time HBK ever seemed sincere about anything in his life.
And I saw HBK acting like a homo on numerous clips, showing off some great cock sucking ability which he must have had practice on.

I saw Dick Hickenbottom(lol).

And I saw Patterson calling him great in the ring but not so great out of it.

I saw Trips talking about HBK getting on Takers last nerve.

Basically what I culled from this was HBK: Marvellous talent, huge fucking pussy ass douche.

[Nark Order]

Well, ok then. Then you saw it and you know that you're lying. It was in no way centered around Bret. They barely spoke of him at all other than Montreal for a couple minutes.

[Nark Order]

I've accepted the fact that you are completely dillusional about Bret though, and will not dare to try to speak logic to you.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Well, ok then. Then you saw it and you know that you're lying. It was in no way centered around Bret. They barely spoke of him at all other than Montreal for a couple minutes.

Well that isnt what I meant. I meant this is the about HBK dvd, and yet we here on tpww are going on and on about Bret, "shockingly".

Dudes, get OVER it, if you claim you are. I make no denials..I'll harp about it whenever it's brought up.

[Nark Order]

Well that isnt what I meant. I meant this is the about HBK dvd, and yet we here on tpww are going on and on about Bret, "shockingly".

I see. Harp on then.

[Zen v.W.o.]

I've accepted the fact that you are completely dillusional about Bret though, and will not dare to try to speak logic to you.

About what? I know Bret isnt an angel, but I dont hear much talk about Bret being a prick, besides by guys who hang with Shawn.

Meanwhile, how many guys have shit to say about HBK and even HHH?

I just deal with facts.

[Nark Order]

I don't know one person on these forums that wouldn't admit to HBK being a complete dick for the better part of his career nor do I know anybody that would dispute Trips being one of the worst backstage politicians of all time.

[Nark Order]

Nor did many on the actual DVD say that HBK wasn't an ass.

[Nark Order]

Not meaning to piss in your cheerios Zen but half of the DVD was dedicated to him being a crazy, self-absorbed, pill popper. What more would you like?

[Zen v.W.o.]

If everyone recognizes HHH and co to be hypocrites for ever calling someone else unprofessional and act as if they are clean, I'm content.
That's really the only reason why I ranted tonight.

I just wish Trips wasn't so delusional. Reminds me a bit of Warrior and Hogan.

ps...I'm happy Warrior ruined your first WM experience.

[Nark Order]

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These are the parts of the DVD that concern montreal.

[The MAC]

Nice spin there JR : cus he got a better deal..bullshit.. he was forced out of wwf

and brets contract was not up... so fuck you hhh

[Heyman]

Zen - can I ask you a serious question:

Are you related to Bret in real life? (I guess if you were, you wouldn't admit it on here anyways, but I was just curious).

I guess I'm having a difficult time comprehending why some people STILL feel so passionate and angry over the Montreal Screwjob....an even that took place over 10 years ago.

What saddens me the most about Bret, is how he consistently attacks HBK whenever the subject of Montreal is brought up. In effect, Bret goes down to HBK's level. Compare this with Mick Foley and how he dealt with Flair. Or how Triple H dealt with Goldberg a few years ago at an autograph signing.

From my view point, Bret has had NUMEROUS chances to prove that he is the bigger man than HBK. Unfortunately however, Bret has squandered all of those opportunities....by constanty "going down" to the level of HBK, Flair etc. when they take pot-shots at him (and responding in equal child-like fashion). In the end, HBK comes across as a man who has changed for the better (and admits to his past problems). Bret on the other hand, comes across as a guy who is still bitter about the past (even if it's not as bad as people like me think).

As a proud Canadian citizen, it pains me to say this, but I do think HBK is the bigger man than Bret at this point in their lives.

[Blue Demon]

I am Bret Hart. :| I show no emotions in promos. :| When I do, I look like a pansy. :mad: America sucks. :| I'm gonna go to WCW. :| Why you screw me, Vince? :'( Goldberg's foot looks nice... *SPLAT* :drool::wtf:

I'm a HUGE Bret fan.....but that kinda made me :lol:

[Blue Demon]

And I get to meet Bret tomorrow at a book signing....I'll post some pics if I remember my camera.

[Jura]

His voice sounds so different now compared to back then.

[Kane Knight]

Well that isnt what I meant. I meant this is the about HBK dvd, and yet we here on tpww are going on and on about Bret, "shockingly".

Narc doesn't understand English very well. He didn't understand that you were talking about the thread, despite that being the logical conclusion from actually reading what you had said. :yes:

[Nark Order]

Actually, from what he said it was very easy to confuse what he was saying. "Amazing. HBK dvd and most of the chat is centered once again around Bret. Bigger name value." I simply thought that he meant that the HBK dvd and most of the chat is centered around Bret. Easy mistake.

Listen KK, I know you're really bitter that you aren't very smart. To compensate, you try to label others as not being very smart. I understand all of the self-esteem issues that probably go along with it all too. I just wish you weren't so obvious about it.

[Splaya]

Well that isnt what I meant. I meant this is the about HBK dvd, and yet we here on tpww are going on and on about Bret, "shockingly".

Dudes, get OVER it, if you claim you are. I make no denials..I'll harp about it whenever it's brought up.



In all honesty Zen I have a lot of respect for you. I for one have not seen the DVD yet, but I can say anytime Bret Hart and HBK are brought up in the same sentence, you blow it way out of proportion.

[Kris P Lettus]

lol Dick Hickenbottom

[Jeritron]

Is that the only time you post Zen?

Zen you're pretty well spoken, seems like the same type of fan I am. I know you're not an idiot, which makes it so much more mindblowing that you obsess over Bret so much.

Even if Bret was right and they were wrong, which I"m not gonna get into, he's an asshole for being so bitter. There's no way you can say he's not bitter. Ignoring Shawns attempts to bury the hatchet, flip flopping on whether or not he's "okay" with Vince, and making people leave the room while he gets an honor are all laughable.

[The MAC]

They try hard but they can't hide the fact that shawn michaels ,though a god in the ring, is a fucked up little bastard who deserved the legit beating bret gave him. Even with HHH by his side shawn fears Bret.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Is that the only time you post Zen?

Zen you're pretty well spoken, seems like the same type of fan I am. I know you're not an idiot, which makes it so much more mindblowing that you obsess over Bret so much.

Even if Bret was right and they were wrong, which I"m not gonna get into, he's an asshole for being so bitter. There's no way you can say he's not bitter. Ignoring Shawns attempts to bury the hatchet, flip flopping on whether or not he's "okay" with Vince, and making people leave the room while he gets an honor are all laughable.

Yeah, Bret isnt exactly open to making amends with Shawn. I'll admit to that.

I guess I talk about this often simply because right now I dont find much worth talking about when it comes to the current state of affairs going on within the wwe.

I hope it changes.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, Bret isnt exactly open to making amends with Shawn. I'll admit to that.

I guess I talk about this often simply because right now I dont find much worth talking about when it comes to the current state of affairs going on within the wwe.

I hope it changes.

Gotta admit, the Screwjob may be overdone at this point, it may be cliché, passé, and trés ghey, but it is more interesting than anything in the current wrestling scene.

Our last great controversy died when Cena was injured. Alas, no more debates on John Cena: Suck or Blow?

[Xero]

The new controversy is "Y2J: Why he not awesome?"

[Kane Knight]

BTW:

Listen KK, I know you're really bitter that you aren't very smart. To compensate, you try to label others as not being very smart. I understand all of the self-esteem issues that probably go along with it all too. I just wish you weren't so obvious about it.

Narc just pulled another one of the famous "Stupid people tricks."

[Kane Knight]

The new controversy is "Y2J: Why he not awesome?"

Pretty sure that one's been answered:

He looks like a Melissa Etheridge fan, and everybody knows lesbians can't wrestle.

[Nark Order]

Pretty sure that one's been answered:

He looks like a Melissa Etheridge fan, and everybody knows lesbians can't wrestle.

Awesome Kong seems to be doing ok.

[Ben Rodrigues]

So for those who have the DVD - what's the deal with the brown tights?

[Gerard]

Jannetty sounds sort of incoherent in those vids. Really mumbly at points.

[Jura]

Did they ever find out who threw the battery at Shawn's head? lol

[Indifferent Clox]

IT WAS ME!

[Indifferent Clox]

I was playing with a vibrating stretch armstrong, and when I was done with the old battery I just haphhazardly swung the other one into the ring with glee. I was only 11 and much more interested in my stretch armstrong, than in any so called dxers crisis.

[Jura]

You made him lose his smile. How do you feel about that?

[The MAC]

shawn michaels and hhh talk a lot about bret not wanting to do business..but shawn hold the record for forfeiting titles and not wanting to job..

[ozzman6669]

So for those who have the DVD - what's the deal with the brown tights?


They were just really ugly and not even finished, it was supose to be a new logo for HBK.

[IC Champion]

shawn michaels and hhh talk a lot about bret not wanting to do business..but shawn hold the record for forfeiting titles and not wanting to job..

My thoughts exactly. Also, wrestling is the way it is now because of the way HHH does business.

[Xero]

Bret Hart sucks.

[IC Champion]

HHH hasnt been good since '01. And even then, he was only over becuase of who he got to work with.

[IC Champion]

Foley, Rock, Austin, before that HBK.

[Xero]

Bret is a better wrestler now than he ever was.

His drool bomb is probably the best move ever.

[IC Champion]

As opposed to HHH promo's of doom, which puts not only the fans to sleep, but his oppenants as well?

[Xero]

At least Triple H CAN promo.

Good or not, it's not Bret's babble.

And no, I'm not referring to him post-stroke.

[IC Champion]

I'd rather listen to Bret babble for 2 minutes, then to listen to HHH go on, and on, and on for 20 minutes at a time about the same thing we heard him rant about for 20 minutes the week prior. HHH has his promo's written for him more than likley, and they still suck. Not to mention his weak attempts to be funny on a regular basis.

[Xero]

AMERICA SUCKS! :mad:

*Next week*

SHAWN, YOU SUCK! Oh, and America does too!

*Next week*

CANADA RULZ!!1111!

(Flash back to the Hart Foundation days)

Bret: We're gonna beat you!

*next week*

Bret: We're gonna beat you!

*next week*

Bret: You gonna beat us? HAH!

[IC Champion]

I'd attmept a HHH promo, but I don't know if I could fit that many characters in one post.

[Xero]

Triple H can carry a promo, which is IMPERATIVE in professional wrestling. So it can get a bit boring, I won't deny that, but he has charisma on the mic. He can convey what he wants to say. Bret never could without looking like a douche.

[Jeritron]

Bret's promos are god awful

[Zen v.W.o.]

Bret made two or three promos in 97 alone which were better than anything Trips has managed to come up with.

But then again, promos back in the day were generally superior because they weren't scripted letter for letter like they have been for the longest time.

HHH:

I'm gonna take you out tonight, nose to nose, face to face..I'm going to humiliate you..pummel you, I'm going to destroy you, and make you realize you cannot stand with me...make you realize you cannot go toe to toe with me..make you realize you cannot lace my boots...make you realize you cannot tie my shoes...I will take your title..I will strip you of your belt...I will once again hold the championship up high...hold it around my waist...


etc etc etc...that is pretty much EXACTLY how repetitive he gets, and how he manages to make his promos last so long, all the while basically never progressing..what he says in 20 minutes any good guy on the stick blurts out in one.

The guy is a loser. He'll always be looked at as somebody that didnt get to where he did get to all on his own merits. His own merits only qualify him as an upper midcarder at the MOST.

[IC Champion]

Triple H can carry a promo, which is IMPERATIVE in professional wrestling. So it can get a bit boring, I won't deny that, but he has charisma on the mic. He can convey what he wants to say. Bret never could without looking like a douche.

If you can't convey what you want to say after a half hour, you should give up.

[JT]

They try hard but they can't hide the fact that shawn michaels ,though a god in the ring, is a fucked up little bastard who deserved the legit beating bret gave him. Even with HHH by his side shawn fears Bret.

Ummm...I don't think that Bret ever gave Shawn a legit beating. Where was this if I may ask?

[JT]

Meh...Bret vs. Shawn is to wrestling fans as Star Wars vs. Star Trek is to sci-fi nerds, and pro-choice vs. pro-life is to assholes. It's an un-win-able war that just leaves for an annoying read.

During there period of time, both Shawn and Bret were the best for different reasons. Bret had the pure wrestling skill and Shawn had the pure charisma. Each side has it's fans, and like someone else said about a different topic awhile back, people choose the side of the person they like better.

My opinion...Shawns an asshole and egging Bret on with the "I'd never job to you" thing is asking for trouble. At the same time, it's hard to feel bad for a guy when he can't move on from an even in 97'. It was when Bret was playing the Commish of WWA 4 years later and cut a promo about the evil WWF and getting screwed that I offically stopped feeling sorry for Bret.

[Jeritron]

I agree that it's an unwinable debate and gets very annoying.

But, I have problems with that because you talk about Bret being pure wrestling skill, which he was, but Shawn was and is better in the ring. And since he's also incredibly charismatic he wins in a landslide.

It's really no offense to Bret or his marks. Bret's a legend and a great wrestler, and has a legacy of his own. But there can only be one best of all time and that spot belongs to HBK

[Loose Cannon]

extremely disagree about Bret's promos being "god awful" and what not. not going to go into a big speal on this because by this point people have thier minds made up about Bret Hart on here.

but, Bret's character in the early-mid 90's wasn't a charisma filled character. It was a hard worker character and that's it and people got behind him. He didn't need to fill up 7-12 minutes with flashy catch phrases or anything like that. He was very direct, very confident and really just said he was going to beat you. Nothing off the wall special, but I guarantee you the crowd back in 91-96 didn't just get behind Bret because he was a great wrestler. And you want to talk about a guy being fucking over, pick up Royal Rumble 94 and tell me Bret wasn't "the man" at that point.

[Loose Cannon]

also, if you take Bret out of WWF 1997, the Canada/USA angle doesn't succeed at all. He carried that whole thing along with Austin. and HBK did a great job to expand it when he came in around the Fall. Argulably the best year the WWF ever had

[Heyman]

I myself have been extremely critical of Brett, but I agree with Loose Cannon.

Bret had very good charisma when he spoke, and he did a masterful job of coming across as REAL in his promos.

I actually thought Bret was excellent in the Summer of 97'....around the time when I started getting interested in the WWF(E).

[Verbose Minch]

Ummm...I don't think that Bret ever gave Shawn a legit beating. Where was this if I may ask?

This created even more heat between Bret and Shawn. Later that summer, Bret and Shawn got into a real fight backstage, where Bret confronted Shawn about comments Shawn made about Bret Hart and Sunny. From what's being said, Bret took down Michaels and there was some hair pulling and then WWF officials had to break it up. Right after Shawn got his ass kicked

http://www.wrestleview.com/info/faq/brethart.shtml

[Jura]

Goldberg delivered a mule kick to Bret Hart in WCW. The injuries Bret suffered due to this kick essentially put an end to his career. My question is that I remember not too long after that WCW ran a vignette at the end of a Nitro show where Bret Hart calls out Goldberg in some desert and essentially runs over him in his car. What exactly went down in this vignette, and was it scripted or was it a shoot? It sure looked real, and since the severity of the injury was not necessarily known to everyone at that time (with perhaps the exception of Bret), afterward I began to think that the vignette might have been scripted and then Bret turned it into a shoot.
I don't recall that. Does anyone know where to see footage of this?

[addy2hotty]

This created even more heat between Bret and Shawn. Later that summer, Bret and Shawn got into a real fight backstage, where Bret confronted Shawn about comments Shawn made about Bret Hart and Sunny. From what's being said, Bret took down Michaels and there was some hair pulling and then WWF officials had to break it up. Right after Shawn got his ass kicked

http://www.wrestleview.com/info/faq/brethart.shtml

Did that actually happen during Raw and Vince rose from the commentators table and went to the back?

I seem to remember a tag match being set with Bret and someone against Shawn and someone, and it never happened.

[Loose Cannon]

I know exactly what you're talking about, but I don't think that was the one. I would have to go back and look at the tape, but I think that was for storyline purposes. Pretty sure that was the episode where HBK got laid out in the back by the Harts.

[The MAC]

after hbk wiped his tears away he went to vince asking for his release. Both bret and shawn were sent home without appearing on raw that night.

I think it was before raw had gone on air.

[The MAC]

is there a torrent or an upload of brets new book..I would like to read it right now..rep to whomever provides a link to the book

[Zen v.W.o.]

You should pruchase it online, well worth the time waiting. Sorry I dont have a torrent.

Anyways that night in Hartford Bret did go after Shawn, they were sent home, Shawn said he had had enough of this and wanted out..he was unhappy, and felt lonely without his buds over in the wcw. That night Shawn even said he was to have a match with Brian Pillman but because of what went down that didnt happen.

Anyways, Shawn whined about that for a while. He basically took the summer off, and was scheduled to wrestle at Canadian Stampede but he opted(pussed) out.

[Rammsteinmad]

Basically IMO:

Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart > Triple H.

[The MAC]

does bret talk about this fight in his book? I hope he gives us blow by blow details

[IC Champion]

Basically IMO:

Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart > Triple H.

I can agree with that.

[The MAC]

bret hart = shawn michaels in different ways > pile of shit >hhh

[Verbose Minch]

does bret talk about this fight in his book? I hope he gives us blow by blow details


This is how it goes. Shawn gets the shit kicked out of him and cries, then wants out. The end.

SPOILERS: not actually what he wrote, but pretty much sums it up. lolol

[The MAC]

lol..i know this is old but its pbvious shawn is not over montreal and holds a grudge on Bret...

here he tears up a fans Hitman sunglasses :http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/fgw_bret_fan_shawn_michaels.html