Let's speculate who the MLB players will be that will be show on the Mitchell report

[Splaya]

Discuss

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hopefully not David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez lol

[YOUR Hero]

your mom

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I could see David Ortiz being on there. No way Manny's on there though. Way too lazy.

Names that would not shock me:
Adrian Beltre
Albert Belle
Miguel Tejada
Bret Boone
Brady Anderson
Rod Beck
Robb Nen
Troy Percival
Billy Wagner
Eric Gagne
Luis Gonzalez
Mo Vaughn
Greg Vaughn
Jim Abbott
Russell Branyan
Moises Alou
Gary Sheffield
Ivan Rodriguez
Shawn Green
Andres Galarraga
Derrek Lee
Jay Buhner
Richard Hidalgo
Javy Lopez
Tino Martinez
Tony Batista
Phil Nevin
Ellis Burks
Brian Giles
Jeromy Burnitz
Raul Mondesi

Names that would make me raise an eyebrow but yeah I could see it:
Jim Thome
Ken Griffey Jr. (I mean look at his body's deterioration)
Jeff Bagwell
Nomar Garciaparra
Magglio Ordonez
John Franco
Mike Timlin
Kenny Rogers
Roger Clemens
Curt Schilling
David Cone
John Wetteland
Jim Edmonds
Eric Davis
Dante Bichette
Vinny Castilla
Henry Rodriguez
Matt Stairs
Kevin Mitchell
Edgar Martinez
David Justice
Mike Piazza
Dean Palmer
Bobby Higginson

[VonErichLives]

your mom

I think that will be the only name on the list to honest...

actually, what supreme just did is why players hate this stuff... he just threw out a big list of names with no reasons behined it... wild speculation...

I mean, this guy got bigger or this guy hit more home runs... it's disrespectful to the players that worked hard to get where they are.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How is it disrespectful? I said I would not be surprised if those names ended up being on the list. I'm a person who constantly defends putting McGwire in the hall and not putting an asterisk on Bonds' record. I didn't accuse anyone of anything. Please point out where I said Person A took steroids.

[OssMan]

No name would surprise me except for like David Eckstein or something. Actually nah he is a piece of shit. But I am still believe that Placido Polanco and Gabe Kapler are on roids

[RP]

I'm pretty sure Brett Boone will be one of the first mentioned...

Vinny Castilla for sure. Didnt he have cancer or something?

Chipper jones

John Smoltz

AROD I would not be shocked at all if A-rod popped up.

[RP]

Not Vinny Vastilla, Andres Galarraga

[SammyG]

Andruw Jones

[VonErichLives]

How is it disrespectful? I said I would not be surprised if those names ended up being on the list. I'm a person who constantly defends putting McGwire in the hall and not putting an asterisk on Bonds' record. I didn't accuse anyone of anything. Please point out where I said Person A took steroids.

by saying you wouldn't be suprised is saying you have reason to think they would vs. other players who would suprise you.

[RoXer]

Chone Figgins

[FakeLaser]

Edwar Ramirez

[Nervous Ferret]

Raul Mongedesi

[Stickman]

All of 'em.

[FakeLaser]

Harlan Chamberlain

[SammyG]

In all seriousness though, Kaz Matsui

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If somebody thought I took steroids when I really didn't, I would take it as a compliment not an insult so I don't really agree with the whole "disrespectful" thing

[VonErichLives]

If somebody thought I took steroids when I really didn't, I would take it as a compliment not an insult so I don't really agree with the whole "disrespectful" thing

Basiclly they're calling you a cheater when you didn't cheat... I relate that to being called a Liar when you didn't Lie and for me that's a big hot button...

I'll LMFAO if there are no Red Sox on it since mitchell has a part ownership in the sox.

Also, there is talk that MLB may even try to shield if any "top stars" are on the report.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I guess if somebody was like "I wouldn't be surprised he cheated" I'd be a little disappointed, but I wouldn't really care since I would know that I didn't cheat.

[McLegend]

I hope Clemens is on it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

by saying you wouldn't be suprised is saying you have reason to think they would vs. other players who would suprise you.

Yeah and why am I not allowed to say that? This whole witch hunt has been entirely founded on stereotypes of what players and their stats should look like. Just because the players I mentioned fall into the stereotypes set forth by those in charge of the witch hunt doesn't mean I support it. It just means that they have the stats or physical changes that are consistent with what has come to be recognized as an identifier of enhancement usage by those in charge.

If I saw a Muslim in an airport wearing baggy clothes, I would be willing to bet that person was going to be searched moreso than a white man in a suit. It doesn't mean I think the Muslim's a terrorist, it means I think he fits the stereotype set by those in charge of someone who might be a terrorist. What I personally think about any of these people is irrelevant.

[RP]

I dont remember alot of stuff McGuire said at the hearings, but if he's on this list and he was found to of lied or withheld info , are they going to prosecute him like Bonds?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't think so. If I remember correctly all McGwire said was he didn't want to talk about the past.

[loopydate]

Yeah, McGwire said almost nothing of note.

[Splaya]

No name would surprise me except for like David Eckstein or something. Actually nah he is a piece of shit. But I am still believe that Placido Polanco and Gabe Kapler are on roids


Placido is not on that list. If he is, I will cry myself to sleep

[RP]

When i read that MVP's would be named, assuming we arent just talking about Barry Bonds, Ken Camineti, and Jose Cansaco, the first two people that came to mind were Larry Walker and Vlad Guerrero

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>According to Bob Klapisch in the Bergen Record, citing ‘an industry official,’ no Mets from their current 40-man roster are named in the report.

However, ‘several prominent Yankees will be named, writes Klapisch.</font>

[Dragon]

All I've been hearing is how it will be a "bad day in the Bronx" and how "several prominent Yankees will be named".

Man, I do want to know, but I also am not looking forward to hearing this.

[Dragon]

I can definitely see Clemens and Pettitte (unfortunately) on the list considering they've been linked in reports before. If Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Cano or A-Rod are on the list (from the current roster) I'd be pretty damn disappointed. I'm not sure how far back this is going but they've said former players will be on the list too. Bernie would disappoint me the most probably.

[RP]

I'm sure no Red Sox will be named. Wouldnt want Georgy getting taking off the board.

[RP]

ESPN is reporting that the personal trainer of Roger Clemens and Pettite is saying that he gave Roger Clemens steroids.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I bet MLB is actually hoping some of the big name players are named in this report so they can get suspended and MLB can say "see, look! even the best, most expensive players aren't protected!!!!"</font>

[Loose Cannon]

2pm EST

Location: NYC.

[YOUR Hero]

You can't suspend people for doing things that were not against the rules. They are against the rules now, but this list he's to be presenting is coming from a time when the use was not against any baseball rules.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If they aren't suspended, I'm willing to bet some sort of asterik is placed during the season in which the drugs were purchased for each player implicated.

Either way, every place I'm reading says there will be some sort of punishment.

Guess Yankee fans can breathe a sigh of relief because I'm hearing that Jeter and Rivera are NOT on the list. Wouldn't shock me at all though if Posada is though.</font>

[Innovator]

Clemens has been named before the report is even out

CMoooooooooooooon Ortiz or Manny, big money big money

[RP]

maybe the greatest pitcher ever getting tattooed as a steroid user is probably not what baseball wanted at all. Its worse then a suspension. We're talking about a complete and epic legacy ruined if this proven.

[RP]

i'm gunna laugh so hard if no Red Sox are named

[Dragon]

The greatest hitter and the greatest pitcher of the past era in Bonds and Clemens linked to steroids is pretty unfortunate.

[RP]

I hope Ken Griffey Jr isnt linked to this. He was my hero in baseball.

[Innovator]

Yeah Griffey would be sad

[Loose Cannon]

If I was a player who had a chance to be on that list, I would be shittin bricks right now

[VonErichLives]

You can't suspend people for doing things that were not against the rules. They are against the rules now, but this list he's to be presenting is coming from a time when the use was not against any baseball rules.


<font color=goldenrod>If they aren't suspended, I'm willing to bet some sort of asterik is placed during the season in which the drugs were purchased for each player implicated.

</font>

Why? it wasn't against the rules, why an "*"?

I just heard on the radio someone has a partial list... a lot of yankees... the only two current Red Sox they have so far ar Tavarez and V-Tek.

[VonErichLives]

So, a list got leaked and it was from bloomberg... they were contacted and said they didn't send a list.

msnbc sites wnbc and puts out the whole list and now wnbc says the list has some errors.

NEW YORK -- WNBC.com's Jonathan Dienst has obtained names expected to be on George Mitchell's list of baseball players linked to performance-enhancing drugs in major league baseball. Baseball officials are refuting several names on the list

A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Our two sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we are working to clarify the list at this time

http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html

[Dragon]

Yeah, saw that partial list or whatever online somewhere. Who knows if its right or not but the names seemed believable. There were Yankees on it but none of the ones I would call "prominent" - A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Rivera besides Pettitte

[FakeLaser]

None of the Yankees named shocked me except Damon, although, I guess I can see it. Just look at how he broke down last year.

[Dragon]

Yeah, Damon was a little surprising from that list. Farnsworth was probably the least surprising ever though. Again, who knows if that list is accurate but it seems believable.

[VonErichLives]

If you go by the Stereotype Damon shouldn't shock anyone... look at him in KC and then look at him his final year with the Red Sox.

[VonErichLives]

the only one I've heard from the "possible" partial list that suprised me was Trot Nixon... if you ever hear this guy talk, every other word is god this or jesus christ that... just didn't strike me as the type.

[VonErichLives]

The following names are expected to be part of the report, according to WNBC:

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Sc hoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

[Dragon]

the only one I've heard from the "possible" partial list that suprised me was Trot Nixon... if you ever hear this guy talk, every other word is god this or jesus christ that... just didn't strike me as the type.

Yeah, Pettitte doesn't shock me or anything since he's been linked before with Clemens. He just didn't seem like the "type" that would do it. What the "type" is I have no idea. Just the feeling or whatever.

[Sepholio]

I'm with SammyG, Andruw Jones for sure.

[VonErichLives]

my question is how many players did it to get better and how many did it after injuries.

I see a lot of players who has injury problems and wonder if they turned to that to heal better/faster not improve performance.

[Sepholio]

my question is how many players did it to get better and how many did it after injuries.

I see a lot of players who has injury problems and wonder if they turned to that to heal better/faster not improve performance.

Yeah, I hope the report differentiates between those who did it for personal gain and those who had legitimate reasons for using them.

[RP]

my question is how many players did it to get better and how many did it after injuries.

I see a lot of players who has injury problems and wonder if they turned to that to heal better/faster not improve performance.


doesnt matter

[FakeLaser]

lol Chuck Knoblauch

[RP]

This like watching March Madness selection show.

[RP]

LOL the lawyer on ESPN was talking about Mitchell and he was like " This is the same guy that tried to go after Jason Priestly ".

( he meant Grimsley )

[RP]

LOL this is like watching the release of a new Harry Potter book.

[SammyG]

for fuuuuuuuuuck's sake, start naming people

[SammyG]

lol, all players declined to meet with me.

[owenbrown]

for fuuuuuuuuuck's sake, start naming people

[VonErichLives]

he wont name the names, downlaod the report .pdf and look through it you can search for names.

cnn.com has the report.

Clemens is fucked... looks like Canseco got him on it back with the Blue Jays.

[owenbrown]

Someone wake me when he stops dragging this out and starts naming people. :shifty:

[SammyG]

FUCK Start naming people I got shit to do fuck

[RP]

He's still talking...

[SammyG]

k, I'm assuming he's gonna name the names?

[SammyG]

Someone post that .pdf from CNN or whatever, not waiting for this stupid shit. ACTUALLY, I'll give him 10 more minutes.

[VonErichLives]

I don't see a lot of the "list" in the report.

Only 2 big former sox names I found were Clemens and Vaughn.

some big yankees: Clemens, Pettite, Knobloch, Justice, Kevin Brown.

[SammyG]

lol Kevin Brown. Also, I think Bob Sanders is on this.

[VonErichLives]

he wont name the names, downlaod the report .pdf and look through it you can search for names.

cnn.com has the report.

[SammyG]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf

just glanced through it, I see Lo Duca

[SammyG]

lol Danny Neagle?

[SammyG]

Fernando Vina, Mo Vaughn,

lol wtf is going on with ESPN. LOL is anyone hearing this?!?!?!?!??! Some spanish guy talking?!

[SammyG]

Gagne.

[OssMan]

when did he start talking? 2:15 i heard him on the radio and they went to commercial or something? now he is talking on ESPN what

[Dragon]

Yeah, doesn't seem like some of those big names from that "list" are on it. It seems like a lot of people everyone knew or assumed.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard that dude talking too Sammy, I thought it was Borat lol

No Nomar on the report, I knew he was clean

[Dragon]

No Damon, Farnsworth, Varitek, Pujols, etc...from that "list" from earlier.

Saw a lot of former Yankees while looking through it..Knoblauch, Justice, Villone

Really no huge names that people haven't heard before though

[SammyG]

God damn, that report really has a shitload of names. Baseball is going downhill, yo.

Also yeah Stima, I was dying laughing. lol @ the idea of Borat there.

[SammyG]

is there just a simple list someone could post in here? That pdf is like 25434534 pages

[Dragon]

It has a shitload of names, but pretty much all have been linked to steroids before this whole report. At least from what I've seen, not many new names or whatever

[MVP]

lol Eric Gagne, should have taken then this season :lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Its nuts how they have photocopy of checks/package slips at the end of the document

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I love that they included them. Kind of sucks about Andy. I want to read some of them when I get home later.

[Dragon]

I dunno. The only one that really irks me is Pettitte. There was a lot of Yankees players but none that really annoyed me like Pettittes name. Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Stanton I could care less about.

Clemens career is now with Bonds' really. Ridiculous that the best hitter and best pitcher of that era are both involved with steroids.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

All these guys deserve the same treatment as Barry Bonds IMO

[SammyG]

Wooooo, no Dodgers on the report.

[SammyG]

Current ones, at least.

[Splaya]

2000 World Series Champions: New York Yankees*

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Todd Hundley :( Guess that 41 home run season was a sham

Todd Pratt :(

But yeah, nothing really exciting though.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Fernando Vina. Has to show his face on Baseball Tonight</font>

[Dragon]

I guess Pettitte got involved when rehabbing his elbow. I dunno, it doesn't make it right or better in any way but it makes me feel a little better about the situation. Still no excuse or anything obviously and doesn't make it an okay thing to do but I guess I'd rather hear that then just taking it for the sake of taking it.

[ct2k]

VEL why would you consider Kevin Brown a yankee at all before say, a Ranger or a Dodger? Not to mention the Marlins or Padres, both of whom he WS'd it up with


Its like look at the list of players, find every guy who's played for the Sox or Yankee's and go OMFG LOOK

The bigger issue here, that half the damn MLB roster has juiced, and that the MLB has no credibility left at all seems to have slipped some people's minds.

[Dragon]

The thing with all the guys that played for New York is that is where Radomski or whatever had his business. And a big portion of the guys named in this report are from Radomski. So when the guy giving all the information is based in NY and operates out of NY you should kinda expect a lot of NY players to be on it.

[ct2k]

I guess so.


Anyway yeah, the MLB is a joke, I mean we all knew that a few years ago now but really this is just an official declaration of how pathetic it is.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There is no freaking way Albert Belle and Brady Anderson are not on that list. That is incredible.

[Loose Cannon]

it's only a couple suppliers named on there. I'm sure there's a boatload of other suppliers out there and you'll find hundreds of other names.

[McLegend]

I will one day read all 409 pages of the Mitchell report

[Loose Cannon]

that's great news

[McLegend]

I think so

[Stickman]

All these guys deserve the same treatment as Barry Bonds IMO

Only the Blacks will get that treatment :shifty:

[DrA]

Only the Blacks will get that treatment :shifty:

I know you were being facetious, but probably has a lot to do with it. Roger Clemens is just as big of an asshole as Barry Bonds is, and he's been accused of the same exact stuff as Bonds, but I doubt they are going to ride his ass to the extent that they have been riding Bonds for the last five years.

[VonErichLives]

VEL why would you consider Kevin Brown a yankee at all before say, a Ranger or a Dodger? Not to mention the Marlins or Padres, both of whom he WS'd it up with


Its like look at the list of players, find every guy who's played for the Sox or Yankee's and go OMFG LOOK

The bigger issue here, that half the damn MLB roster has juiced, and that the MLB has no credibility left at all seems to have slipped some people's minds.

I admit I didn't read the Brown thing, but seeing all the other Yanks and Clemens dealer being there made me assume it happend when he was in NYY, that was wrong of me and when I'm at work tomorow I'll look up Browns details.

It's interesting to note how many players that were key parts of yankees championship teams may have been juicing at the same time.

I find it interesting Selig wants to take action on these players... I didn't think it was a rule until recently...

Also, if some can be showed they started taking after an injury and stopped once healed then that would be a medicle use and I'd be ok with it.

[Funky Fly]

Pretty big blow for baseball, huh?

I pretty much got turned off baseball after that strike in 94, so I'm not too knowledgeable about all of this, but wow. So many guys juicing, you'd think it was wrestling.

The way I see it, all those guys using when there was no rule against it should have asterisks next to any records they set. Just that, no real punishment.

Guys using after the rule came into effect should get mad fines and suspensions and asterisks and whatever else they do to cheaters.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol Canseco going on about how they need to do more investigating because A-Rod is guilty.

If Canseco wants A-Rod guilty he better just get evidence himself cause A-Rod is breaking the record in 4-5 years. And even then, its pretty obvious that after this report baseball is gonna want A-Rod to take the record away from Barroid and give a "clean" image to the game...especially since he's a Yank.</font>

[FakeLaser]

It's interesting to note how many players that were key parts of yankees championship teams may have been juicing at the same time.
Now, I'm a Yankee fan, and I'm not necessarily defending steroid use but the source material was straight out of NYC, so of course a lot of Yankees were named. I'm sure there were just as many players on other teams juicing.

[FakeLaser]

A-ROD IS CLEAN

[Loose Cannon]

couple of things:

I'm hearing both sides of opinions on this everywhere. I'm hearing some HOF voters will not vote for anyone who has been accused of taking steroids and some see it as an era we're in, so they assume most guys have used some type of drug and the issue becomes null an void.


Then I'm hearing there are a lot of players pissed off and figure these guys have taken money out of thier pockets because they have used. Other players don't really care. And those other players may take drugs themselves...who knows.


A couple of guys made the point that the drug issue will never end because every year a new drug will come out that baseball or whatever sport won't be able to detect and we start all over again.


For me personally, I dunno what they would do anymore. You're never going to stop guys from finding illegal ways to gain a competitive advantage. At this point I almost want to say legalize everything so thier won't be any secrets anymore. It's such a cloak and dagger kind of thing filled with "shhhh don't tell anybody about this" It's stupid.

Someone made a good point yesterday. I forget who it was there lots of guys made good points. And when I say "guys" I mean like the sports writers and such. He said some athletes use the stuff to just help them keep thier job and provide for thier family. It's either take the stuff and increase your skill, whether it be healing faster, more muscle, running faster, or don't take it and be gone.


There's so many sides of the argument and so many ways you could look at things. It's tough to really take one side here.

[YOUR Hero]

In the Olympics, if you are caught cheating the don't just put an asterisks by your name in the record books, they wipe the record books of your name entirely. Add that to the 2 year banning for a first offence and you can see that if you ever wanted to really clean up baseball, then you need to follow the route of the IOC.

[RP]

A-ROD IS CLEAN

:cool:

seriously thank god. A-Rod is like the saving grace of this era. He'll smoke that home run record.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Clemens' career makes so much sense now. Boston didn't want him because they thought his career was declining, so he goes to Toronto and becomes a great pitcher again. Well now we know why.

[FakeLaser]

Clemens shoulda juiced this year, maybe we would have had a chance.

[RP]

Clemens' career makes so much sense now. Boston didn't want him because they thought his career was declining, so he goes to Toronto and becomes a great pitcher again. Well now we know why.

Yah probably makes sense as to why he wasnt returning to the Yankees until like 2 months into the season

[MVP]

I'd be really surprised if A-Rod actually juiced. Doesn't make any sense to me since his numbers have been consistent throughout his career, given a few seasons where he hit between 30-40 homeruns. I don't think the difference between his great seasons and those indicate that he's taken substances because it seems like he had off seasons. I would too if I got booed for hitting .280 and 35 HR.