Why did WCW fail....Here is what the WWE thinks.

[Hanso Amore]

From the WWE magazine

15 Reasons Nitro Failed: Nothing compares to these shameful people and moments.

15. Tony Schiavone
14. nWo 2000
13. Anti-American Jim Duggan
12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe
11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile
10. Matches in the Mall of America
09. Finger Poke of Doom (Kevin Nash drops to the mat to lose his title after Hulk Hogan pokes him on 1/4/99 Nitro)
08. The Magnificent Seven (2001 faction consisting of Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell and Road Warrior Animal)
07. "Crazy" Ric Flair
06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires
05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
04. Disco Inferno (pictured)
03. One Warrior Nation (short-lived 1998 faction consisting of Ultimate Warrior and The Disciple a.k.a. Brutus Beefcake)
02. Misfits in Action (2000 faction consisting of Hugh Morrus, Lash LeRoux, The Wall, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, Tylene "Major Gunns" Buck and Vam Hammer)
01. David Arquette

Cant argue, I did like Pepe

[Anybody Thrilla]

I would've ended the list at Tony Schiavone.

[LoDownM]

06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires

I didn't think that was all bad :/

[JT]

I liked Disco Inferno and MIA.

[NYDon]

12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe

Way to bury the #1 contender to CM Punk's title. That was easily Chavo's best gimmick.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Way to bury the #1 contender to CM Punk's title. That was easily Chavo's best gimmick.

That was the only time I enjoyed Chavo. That, and Kerwin White, no joke.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, Chavo's not technically the number one contender. He lost.

[Anybody Thrilla]

ALSO, Disco Inferno was the fucking man.

[Shaggy]

15. Tony Schiavone (I liked him)

14. nWo 2000 (Im assuming this was nWo when pretty much everyone except 4 people were in the group. Yea...that was shit)

13. Anti-American Jim Duggan (Agree)

09. Finger Poke of Doom (Sure people were mad at first but now this has become something that a bunch of fans love....I have no hate toward that)

07. "Crazy" Ric Flair (Completely agree...Even Flair mentions in his book how he hated doing it.)

06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires (Didnt hate it...)

04. Disco Inferno (sure the gimick was crap but he was pretty awesome)

03. One Warrior Nation (God I cant believe that even happened)

02. Misfits in Action (I liked Lash Laroux... sure it wasnt the best thing in the world but fans still got behind it.)

01. David Arquette (Everyone says this is what killed WCW...everyone except for Russo, The man has said in multiple interviews that he did it in order to get WcW coverage by other forms of media and it worked. Russo has no regrets toward doing it...)

[The Gold Standard]

After reading the Eric Bischoff book I think it was Vince Russo that made WCW fail.

[The Optimist]

Hilarious, propoganda. Most of these happened as a symptom of WCW failing, not a cause. The Magnificent Seven in particular were created only months before WCW all-out busted. Some were terrific for what they were, and even at their hokiest were on par or better than some WWE stunts. Disco Inferno, for example, was much much more entertaining than goffy WWE gimmicks or personalities.

[KingofOldSchool]

Master P should've been there instead of Chavo & Pepe.

[Fignuts]

Main reason was the AOL buyout or whatever. As terrible as they were, they were still the highest rated program on tnt/tbs. But when the new owners of turner broadcasting took over, they pretty muched forced them out.

Not saying it was the only reason, but thats the big one.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That's what it said in Bischoff's book.

[Savio]

I liked that Arquette won in Syracuse.

[Anybody Thrilla]

You can't really blame David Arquette anyway. He was adamantly opposed to winning the title.

[LoDownM]

nah Shaggy, nWo 2000 was Bret Hart, Nash, Hall, and Jarret. Then Scott Steiner joined when Hall no showed a Thunder or something.

[Kane Knight]

Main reason was the AOL buyout or whatever. As terrible as they were, they were still the highest rated program on tnt/tbs. But when the new owners of turner broadcasting took over, they pretty muched forced them out.

Not saying it was the only reason, but thats the big one.

It is a big part of it. However, nobody else wanted to buy the program, which does tell you something.

I'm not trying to argue, mind. Just a slightly different angle on the same point.

[McLegend]

Master P should've been there instead of Chavo & Pepe.

Yeah wtf

[Rammsteinmad]

15. Tony Schiavone - Meh.

14. nWo 2000 - At first I thought it'd be cool, but it ended up sucking.

13. Anti-American Jim Duggan - TBH never really cared for Jim Duggan.

12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe - Chavo rules.

11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile - Pope Mobile?

10. Matches in the Mall of America - Wasn't this the debut episode? Come on give 'em a break.

09. Finger Poke of Doom (Kevin Nash drops to the mat to lose his title after Hulk Hogan pokes him on 1/4/99 Nitro) - Agree.

08. The Magnificent Seven (2001 faction consisting of Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell and Road Warrior Animal) - Didn't mind this all too much.

07. "Crazy" Ric Flair - Can't remember.

06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires - Enjoyed this.

05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael - Never really cared.

04. Disco Inferno (pictured) - Was cool.

03. One Warrior Nation (short-lived 1998 faction consisting of Ultimate Warrior and The Disciple a.k.a. Brutus Beefcake) - Can't remember this, but never cared for Warrior anyway.

02. Misfits in Action (2000 faction consisting of Hugh Morrus, Lash LeRoux, The Wall, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, Tylene "Major Gunns" Buck and Vam Hammer) - These guys ruled. How can this be number 2?

01. David Arquette - At the time I enjoyed this. Like someone said above it got the media attention it hoped to get. I can understand why so many people hated this, and to be honest I'm not totally proud of that being part of the WCW Legacy, but I was a mark back then... so leave me be.

[Fignuts]

You can't really blame David Arquette anyway. He was adamantly opposed to winning the title.

Not only that, but he donated almost all the money he made to the families of deceased wrestlers, or some similar charity. Pure class.

[Lara Emily]

Wow Disco Inferno, a solid midcard worker was one of the top 5 things that brought WCW to its knees :| rrrright.

[FourFifty]

I want to stick up for Mongo but I can't think of a reason I should.

[FourFifty]

And Kerwin White was money.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm surprised at how many guys in the WWE made the list. Granted, the list doesn't completely bury them, but as a WWE fan, I read through that, see Chavo Guerrero, Jim Duggan and Ric Flair, and I lose a little love for them. Just a little bit.

Also, Disco Inferno? I understand he is an agent with TNA, but wow, who wants this guy dead? I loved his theme music, and his gimmick was no stupider than most I have seen the WWE slap on its wrestlers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

From AWE Magainze (Actual Wrestling and Entertainment):

15 Reasons WWE Failed: Nothing compares to these shameful people and moments.

15. Jim Ross
14. nWo 2002
13. Proud American Jim Duggan
12. Perry Saturn and Moppy
11. Vince McMahon wrestling God
10. Matches in Iraq
09. Triple H wins his 1,000th World Title
08. D-Generation X (faction consisting of Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Hornswoggle, The Boogeyman, The Great Khali, Ric Flair and Jeff Hardy)
06. New Breed vs. The Over 40's Club (2008 feud with those bastard young guys getting put in their place)
05. Stephanie "Mongo" McMahon
04. Big Dick Johnson
03. Vince McMahon and his disciple, Jonathan Coachman
02. Rated-RKO V2 (a faction consisting of Randy Orton, Edge, Vickie "Major Guns" Guerrero, Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins, Chavo Guerrero, Kenny Dykstra, Victoria, Lance Cade, Trevor Murdoch)
01. John Cena

[TerranRich]

nWo 2000 was the version of it that was around in 2000 (duh) that had Jeff Jarrett as its leader... or something. I didn't watch WCW from 2000-01 because it was Utter Shit™.

[Gerard]

11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile - Pope Mobile?




Yup, when he made is first appearence he was brought to the ring in something like this:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41691000/jpg/_41691996_popemobile_afp416.jpg

The last pope used to travel around in something like that, bulletproof windows etc.

[The Optimist]

If you're going to recreate a list of shitty WWE moments, you have to find a way to put in the Hornswaggle McMahon reveal.


Also, I have to point out that the New Blood fued was partly bad because the New Blood were heels and included "new" wrestlers like Shane Douglas and Chris Benoit.

[BigDaddyCool]

What about the AOL Time Warner deal? That had a lot to do with it.

[Fox]

From the WWE magazine

15 Reasons Nitro Failed: Nothing compares to these shameful people and moments.

15. Tony Schiavone
14. nWo 2000
13. Anti-American Jim Duggan
12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe
11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile
10. Matches in the Mall of America
09. Finger Poke of Doom (Kevin Nash drops to the mat to lose his title after Hulk Hogan pokes him on 1/4/99 Nitro)
08. The Magnificent Seven (2001 faction consisting of Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell and Road Warrior Animal)
07. "Crazy" Ric Flair
06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires
05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
04. Disco Inferno (pictured)
03. One Warrior Nation (short-lived 1998 faction consisting of Ultimate Warrior and The Disciple a.k.a. Brutus Beefcake)
02. Misfits in Action (2000 faction consisting of Hugh Morrus, Lash LeRoux, The Wall, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, Tylene "Major Gunns" Buck and Vam Hammer)
01. David Arquette

Cant argue, I did like Pepe

nWo 2000 would have worked if Bret Hart and Scott Hall hadn't gone out with injuries like a week after the angle started on Nitro, and if Goldberg hadn't gone and busted open his hand. That was the whole angle configuration: Goldberg versus the nWo 2000, and it all fell apart because of injuries.

Disco Inferno did suck, and never entertained me, but naming his as one of the 15 top reasons WCW sunk is way too much.

I have no idea why Steve McMichael is on there. It's not they ever gave him the strap or the top spot or anything like that; the biggest thing he ever did was job to Goldberg.


I think I agree with pretty much everything else on the list, even though all of it could be slammed together and lumped under "BAD WRITING."

[Outsider]

Pfft, give me WCW circa 2000 with it's stupid storylines and reasonable wrestling than WWE circa 2007 with it's stupid storylines and fucking awful matches.........and endless video promos. Do I really need to see what happened last week three times in one programme........and then again every week for the next six fucking months?

[The Optimist]

I guess Disco is supposed to be used as a symbol for something, goofy gimmick or reoccuring goofy gimmick. Despite him having something that alot of the WWE roster lacks: personality. If Randy Orton had half the charisma of Disco Inferno, he'd have been in the Main Event scene for several years straight by now.

[Gerard]

Do I really need to see what happened last week three times in one programme........and then again every week for the next six fucking months?[/I][/COLOR]

:lol:

[Stickman]

3 hour nitros had nothing to do with it.

[Xero]

15. Tony Schiavone = (Later) JR
14. nWo 2000 = DX 2006
13. Anti-American Jim Duggan = Anti-American Hassan
12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe = Al Snow and his moose head
11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile = God, the wrestler
10. Matches in the Mall of America = Matches in hotel rooms, ball rooms
09. Finger Poke of Doom = Triple H/Orton, No Mercy
08. The Magnificent Seven = Evolution
07. "Crazy" Ric Flair = "Crazy" Vince McMahon
06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires = New Blood vs ECW Originals
05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael = LT
04. Disco Inferno = Jimmy Wang Yang
03. One Warrior Nation = The Union
02. Misfits in Action = ?
01. David Arquette = Federline

[Jeritron]

Lets be honest. The list is for the most part correct.

However they fail to mention the fact that some of these were honest attempts, and other much larger backstage things played a much larger role in the company actually ending.

Either way, fuck that. Its a pointless act. Its a WWE publication and they should focus on 15 things WWE can do to be a better promotion in 2008. I'm sure they wouldn't have to strain themselves.

[Kane Knight]

Do I really need to see what happened last week three times in one programme........and then again every week for the next six fucking months?

To be fair, it's just a case of WWE knowing their fanbase. They assume that you're tuning out for Monday Night Football or "24" or something remotely interesting.

[James Steele]

M.I.A. = J.O.B. Squad

[Lara Emily]

I'm actually really annoyed that Disco in on this list, the gimmick is no cheesier than an undead guy, or a superhero, or any gimmick really and quite frankly it was played to perfection by Gilberti. It was a great gimmick.

[James Steele]

Disco Inferno was an awesome undercard character.

[Kane Knight]

I'm actually really annoyed that Disco in on this list, the gimmick is no cheesier than an undead guy, or a superhero, or any gimmick really and quite frankly it was played to perfection by Gilberti. It was a great gimmick.

Come on, LAra, history is written by the victors. If WCW had won the war, people'd be bitching about how unfair it was that a Zombie Cowboy was in the list.

[.44 Magdalene]

I, for one, would have hired Disco years ago if I ran the WWE.

[TerranRich]

Disqo

[hb2k]

Wow, what a ricockulous list that was. They published that?

[Anybody Thrilla]

13. Anti-American Jim Duggan = Anti-American Hassan

You bite your fucking tongue. Not even CLOSE.

[Xero]

It's loose, I'll admit it. Hassan was loosely pro-America before the writers figured out the general fan population couldn't decipher he was.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hassan was one of my absolute favorite characters. It really is a shame that the CW was so sensitive about it. Could have been huge. Did you hear the boos that dude got?

That Duggan heel turn was obviously just an effort to get an already boring Jim Duggan a little bit of heat, and I wouldn't even call it a marginal success.

[Xero]

You don't think doing that Hassan angle wasn't to get cheap heat?

Did they need it? Fuck no. But they did it anyway.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Not at first, not really. When they sent in Daivari on a suicide mission against The Undertaker though, it got a little crazy. Still, I loved it.

[Anybody Thrilla]

When Hassan started, a lot of his promos made perfect sense, and he wasn't even really saying anything to be considered a heel. His tactics in the ring made him out to be a hypocrite, which is what ultimately MADE him a heel in my estimation. What made it so surreal for me was that the fans booed the shit out of him before he even got IN the ring, which kind of made the stuff that he was bitching about valid.

[Anybody Thrilla]

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[Savio]

Disco > Eugene

[Anybody Thrilla]

Disco had more staying power than Eugene, that's for sure.

[Anybody Thrilla]

A better replay value, if you will.

[Savio]

Also Hassan was the last great thing in the WWE.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also Hassan was the last great thing in the WWE.

Either him or Brooke from Extreme Expose's ass.

[Kane Knight]

Disco had more staying power than Eugene, that's for sure.Yeah. Disco had fans.

[darkpower]

Schivone had 10 times better talent than most of the announcers today have (West, JR, King, Coach).

And Alienoid, I have a slight problem with your list: Where's Katie Vick?

[Blue Demon]

Yeah. Disco had ALYAAAAAAAAAALYALYA

[Mr. Nerfect]

15. Tony Schiavone = (Later) JR
14. nWo 2000 = DX 2006
13. Anti-American Jim Duggan = Anti-American Hassan
12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe = Al Snow and his moose head
11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile = God, the wrestler
10. Matches in the Mall of America = Matches in hotel rooms, ball rooms
09. Finger Poke of Doom = Triple H/Orton, No Mercy
08. The Magnificent Seven = Evolution
07. "Crazy" Ric Flair = "Crazy" Vince McMahon
06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires = New Blood vs ECW Originals
05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael = LT
04. Disco Inferno = Jimmy Wang Yang
03. One Warrior Nation = The Union
02. Misfits in Action = ?
01. David Arquette = Federline

See, I did better than that.

[Xero]

Anyone can do better than me when I don't try.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm actually really annoyed that Disco in on this list, the gimmick is no cheesier than an undead guy, or a superhero, or any gimmick really and quite frankly it was played to perfection by Gilberti. It was a great gimmick.

Honestly, Lara, I think it's just because Gilberti works for TNA as a producer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Muhammad Hassan was a great character. It was obviously done to be controversial, and the WWE got real chicken shit with it in the end.

I loved it when Hassan was completely justified. Then he went to Canada and got cheered. I think they should have avoided the obvious thing and have him insult the Canadian fans, but they did. They should have made Hassan a massive babyface everywhere but America.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyone can do better than me when I don't try.

Anyone can do better than anyone when they don't try.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, I craving some Disco Inferno greatness, actually. Can someone hook us up with his theme music?

[Theo Dious]

Either him or Brooke from Extreme Expose's ass.

Didn't they fire her AND her ass?

[Kane Knight]

Muhammad Hassan was a great character. It was obviously done to be controversial, and the WWE got real chicken shit with it in the end.

I loved it when Hassan was completely justified. Then he went to Canada and got cheered. I think they should have avoided the obvious thing and have him insult the Canadian fans, but they did. They should have made Hassan a massive babyface everywhere but America.

That would require WWE not shoving American Imperialism down everyone's throats. In fact, I'm surprised they don't kill the cheers Brits get in the UK and Canadians get in Canadia. I mean, the ydo sometimes, but I'm surprised they don't always.

[.44 Magdalene]

Didn't they fire her AND her ass?

...And kept Kelly Kelly.

Sigh.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would require WWE not shoving American Imperialism down everyone's throats. In fact, I'm surprised they don't kill the cheers Brits get in the UK and Canadians get in Canadia. I mean, the ydo sometimes, but I'm surprised they don't always.

Oh, no doubt. It's really frustrating, actually. I was watching a DVD the other day, and was reminded of the horrible Dudleys vs. La Resistance feud. Bubba Ray was actually meant to be a babyface, and this was the justification he gave the feud: "We hate them because they're French!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

...And kept Kelly Kelly.

Sigh.

This is indeed a crime. I was disgusted when I read a report that stated that the WWE believes Kelly Kelly can be a modern day Miss Elizabeth. I wasn't even watching then, so never had any particular attachment to Elizabeth, but even I was offended at that notion.

[.44 Magdalene]

I'm just offended that they fired Brooke in light of how much hotter she is than Kelly. I won't go out on the limb and say Brooke's more talented, but it would be an easy conclusion to roll into as well (seeing as Kelly's next to worthless).

Then again, they fired Ariel, too. Same problem, compounded by the fact that Ariel is more talented in addition to being much less generic than the whole Expose combined.

[Anybody Thrilla]

On a semi-related note, Layla has really grown on me.

[therocksays]

the LWO

[darkpower]

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</td> <td class="thead">Thread</td> <td class="thead">Date</td> <td class="thead" nowrap="nowrap">Posted By</td> <td class="thead">Comment</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="alt2">http://tpww.net/forums/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif</td> <td class="alt1Active" id="p1998170" width="50%">Why did WCW... (http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1998170#post1998170)</td> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap">01-13-2008 03:03 PM</td> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap">legend (http://tpww.net/forums/member.php?u=2283)</td> <td class="alt2" width="50%">Never again say Schivone was better then JR. Cause he isn't.</td></tr></tbody></table>
He's better than today's JR, who botches most of his commentary.

[Anybody Thrilla]

J.R. does still happen to know that not every move of all time is a sidewalk slam, though.

[Blitz]

All I know is that the Disco Duck was better than anything WWE has done in the past 5 years.

[Anybody Thrilla]

What about when Disco Inferno had to pull out a blueprint to remind himself how to apply a leg lock? That's pretty brilliant.

[ozzman6669]

15. Tony Schiavone = Don West
14. nWo 2000 = XXX 2007 (Who care)
13. Anti-American Jim Duggan = Sunjay Dutt indu priest
12. Chavo Guerrero & Pepe = Black Reing & Rat
11. Vince Russo in the Pope Mobile = ???
10. Matches in the Mall of America = Free show at Universal studio
09. Finger Poke of Doom = Heel/Face turn at every show
08. The Magnificent Seven = Planet Jarett
07. "Crazy" Ric Flair = Abyss, Black Reign, Rellik, Judas Mesiah, Roxxi Laveaux (enough psycho for you)
06. New Blood vs. The Millionaires = Team 3D vs. X division
05. Steve "Mongo" McMichael = Pacman Jones
04. Disco Inferno = Shark Boy (running for second place: Black Machissmo)
03. One Warrior Nation = The Flying Elvises
02. Misfits in Action = Raven's Flock version 65473563746543856347
01. David Arquette = Pacman Jones

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a semi-related note, Layla has really grown on me.

Me too, actually.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alright, there is now a lot of rep floating around for whoever links up Disco Inferno's theme, and Brooke's ass.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I too will contribute to the Brooke's ass cause.

[Anybody Thrilla]

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[Anybody Thrilla]

http://www.verticalsmiles.com/blogs/images/06vslingerie/vslingerieparty-129.jpg

That's her, I swear.

http://www.verticalsmiles.com/blogs/images/06vslingerie/vslingerieparty-002.jpg

See?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thank you, sir. Thank you so, so much.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's a crime that they released Brooke. Wasn't she at least training and coming along as a wrestler? Of all the worthless pieces of ass in the WWE, anyway, she was second only to Maria in terms of quality.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Brooke is straight up sex. I would perform some dastardly deeds in exchange for a romp in the hay with her. The way she shook her ass alone could have been her trademark...at least something to build off of. She was infinitely better than Kelly Kelly.

If I keep posting about this, I might cry, so.....