Next-Gen RPGs

[Sepholio]

So, Blue Dragon and Mass Effect have proven to be great successes on the 360, proving that RPGs still have it these days. But the genre is still empty for the most part in the Next-Gen.

This year will see releases of several really big-name RPG projects and the first real foray into Next-Gen for the Genre. We have games like Fallout 3, FFXIII, Borderlands, White Knight Story, and many others (these stick out to me as some big names) due out. So barring these games do well, which they no doubt will, which games would you like to see make the leap to next-gen?

Personally I am holding out on the long shot of a new game in the Chrono Trigger series. and Maybe a new game in the Xenogears/saga universe. Also a new Rogue Galaxy.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm eager for Fable 2.

[WestNZ]

i am just waiting and hoping for an RPG game that is soo good you dont need any onther games, that will be a magic day for me.

[Sepholio]

I'm eager for Fable 2.

Yea, might buy a 360 for this game.

We need Next-Gen emulators already.

[BigDaddyCool]

I'm eager for Fable 2.

Was Fable 1 any good?

[Bad Company]

Elder Scrolls V, One day.

[Funky Fly]

I want more Bandai Namco games. Those Tales Of shits are pretty awesome.

[Requiem]

Was Fable 1 any good?

Pretty much titties.. you like titties, right?

[U-Warrior]

Why the hell is mass effect considered an rpg?

It is an action game with rpg elements.

WTF is wrong with everyone?

[Requiem]

Elder Scrolls V, One day.

Fairly sure this will be the Elder Scrolls Online that was recently discovered. Domain was registered by the parent company of Bethesda studios and a new online game division in the company was founded by a former Mythic co-founder.

[Kane Knight]

Why the hell is mass effect considered an rpg?

It is an action game with rpg elements.

WTF is wrong with everyone?

I think that's true of most WRPGs.

[Dorkchop]

I want more Bandai Namco games. Those Tales Of shits are pretty awesome.

Tales of Symphonia for Wii is in the works. There's an article about it in Nintendo Power, but I haven't read it yet because I'm not really into big RPGs. I mainly like the light hearted, quirky, Mario RPGs.

[Bad Company]

Fairly sure this will be the Elder Scrolls Online that was recently discovered. Domain was registered by the parent company of Bethesda studios and a new online game division in the company was founded by a former Mythic co-founder.
I'm hoping it's not. :(

[Kane Knight]

Tales of Symphonia for Wii is in the works. There's an article about it in Nintendo Power, but I haven't read it yet because I'm not really into big RPGs. I mainly like the light hearted, quirky, Mario RPGs.

I don't know. On the scale of hilarity, the Tales series is up there on the list. I mean, it's so cheesey that it almost has to be satirical. I kept playing Tales on the GCN because I kept telling my friends it prett much had to get better.

I can't imagine what kind of 'tard salivates over the premise of a new Tales game, but if you want to laugh, roll your eyes, and laugh some more, those games are retarded comic gold.

[Blitz]

I need a next gen Suikoden, ffs.

[Sepholio]

*cough* FF7 remake *cough*

Someone had to do it eventually and I just thought about it due to looking at Crisis Core footage.

[Sepholio]

I need a next gen Suikoden, ffs.

As long as it is better than the last 2, then I am down. If it is on par with or better than Suikoden 2 it will be golden.

[Kalyx triaD]

Was Fable 1 any good?

The first Fable feels like a tech demo for a really great RPG; you can't help but wonder that it could've been much better than it was. The world map was smaller you thought it would be, with the presentation looking like you were gonna embark on an epic quest. That wasn't the case, but it was still a good game.

Part 2 seems like it'll be the Fable I want it to be.

[Blitz]

As long as it is better than the last 2, then I am down. If it is on par with or better than Suikoden 2 it will be golden.
5 was awesome. 4 was a festering pile of shit.

[Funky Fly]

I don't know. On the scale of hilarity, the Tales series is up there on the list. I mean, it's so cheesey that it almost has to be satirical. I kept playing Tales on the GCN because I kept telling my friends it prett much had to get better.

I can't imagine what kind of 'tard salivates over the premise of a new Tales game, but if you want to laugh, roll your eyes, and laugh some more, those games are retarded comic gold.

Yeah, they are cheesey as all hell, but they are also quite fun to play. On a lesser note, I dig the sheer size of some of the games despite the sometimes contrived storylines. The side quests and second playthrough content is usually pretty good too.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

New suikoden damn it! 4 should never be mentioned, but 5 as actually pretty damn good. Either the 2nd, or third best in the series, easily.

I wouldn't mind a new Persona either.

[WestNZ]

Elder Scrolls V, One day.

i hope so, Morrowwind was wicked, Oblivion was better, so its safe to say that if V comes, it will be the best yet.

[Dorkchop]

I don't know. On the scale of hilarity, the Tales series is up there on the list. I mean, it's so cheesey that it almost has to be satirical. I kept playing Tales on the GCN because I kept telling my friends it prett much had to get better.

I can't imagine what kind of 'tard salivates over the premise of a new Tales game, but if you want to laugh, roll your eyes, and laugh some more, those games are retarded comic gold.

My friend was playing that GCN Tales game and all I did was make fun of it while she played it. It was so awesome. I was a little sad when she sold it though. Making fun of it never got old.

[Kris P Lettus]

Was Fable 1 any good?

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74169

[Kane Knight]

My friend was playing that GCN Tales game and all I did was make fun of it while she played it. It was so awesome. I was a little sad when she sold it though. Making fun of it never got old.

Yeah, it's so retardedly hilarious.

[O.G Loc]

Just finished The Witcher. Greatest RPG I have ever played. The story is amazing as well as the moral choices you have to make in it, great characters, bloody combat and sexy time with wenches.

[El Fangel]

*cough* FF7 remake *cough*

Someone had to do it eventually and I just thought about it due to looking at Crisis Core footage.

They need an actual remake of this.

[.44 Magdalene]

For fuck's sake, get over FFVII already. It's overrated, it's too easy, there's better games that don't already have their own fucking movie and anthology of sequels and prequels that should get remade first, etc.

[.44 Magdalene]

Also, Xenogears was gold. Xenosaga was a convulted, self fellating piece of shit that wouldn't die.

[Kane Knight]

For fuck's sake, get over FFVII already. It's overrated, it's too easy, there's better games that don't already have their own fucking movie and anthology of sequels and prequels that should get remade first, etc.

Not to mention Cloud and Sepiroth just might be the worst hero and villain in RPG history. Although Ramirez from Skies of Arcadia may actually be worse.

[.44 Magdalene]

I mean, fuck, I even liked FFIX better than VII, and you don't see me shitting my pants over an FFIX movie / prequel / series of spinoffs / cameos in other games / possible sequels. All FFVII really did was introduce semi-apocalyptic wangst, elipse abuse and stupid hairstyles to a generation otherwise unaquainted with the concepts.

[ClockShot]

Read somewhere Bioware has a new Knights of the Old Republic game in the works. Looking forward to that.

Also want a Legend of Dragoon game, too.

[Kane Knight]

Read somewhere Bioware has a new Knights of the Old Republic game in the works. Looking forward to that.

Also want a Legend of Dragoon game, too.

It's been confirmed, along with Mass Effect being a trilogy.

[Crazy Nick]

I would really like to see Shenmue III or a remake of the first two games possibly, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

[Kalyx triaD]

Shenmue was another really cool tech demo for something greater.

[Sepholio]

Although I doubt it will ever happen, I would also like to see a Baldur's Gate III.

And Diablo III.

[Sepholio]

For fuck's sake, get over FFVII already. It's overrated, it's too easy, there's better games that don't already have their own fucking movie and anthology of sequels and prequels that should get remade first, etc.

You just listed some of the very reasons it should be remade. There is no denying it is hugely popular and would sell a trillion copies regardless of its downfalls. So imagine it, FF7 remade, but harder, as in FF6- HardType. The apocalyptic setting would be way more involving and believable with current graphics and sound technologies. They could also use some of the stroy-telling techniques of other great RPGs released since then to make the characters more believeable and easier to relate to. It also gives them a chance to add in extra-content to fill in holes in the backstory of the compilation.

A remake of FF7 gives SE a chance to make an already amazing game (to millions of people, anyways) better and to show what it could have been.

[.44 Magdalene]

You just listed some of the very reasons it should be remade. There is no denying it is hugely popular and would sell a trillion copies regardless of its downfalls. So imagine it, FF7 remade, but harder, as in FF6- HardType. The apocalyptic setting would be way more involving and believable with current graphics and sound technologies. They could also use some of the stroy-telling techniques of other great RPGs released since then to make the characters more believeable and easier to relate to. It also gives them a chance to add in extra-content to fill in holes in the backstory of the compilation.

A remake of FF7 gives SE a chance to make an already amazing game (to millions of people, anyways) better and to show what it could have been.

Casablanca was one of the best movies ever made. Let's redo it, in color, with new actors and modern camera tricks and CGI special effects and...


Goddammit.

How about instead of investing effort and rebooting FFVII thirty billion times, they try to make one of the new ones not suck total ass? Everything Final Fantasy as of late has utterly reeked of laziness: reused settings, reused plots, reused everything. They're already planning on milking FFXIII dryer than they did FFVII.

First off, they wouldn't make it harder. I can guaranfuckingtee that. You know why? Because like, 35% (and that's being generous) of its fanbase don't even fucking play RPGs. They're hype train fankids that understand two things: FF7 IS TOTALLY SWEET and SEPHIROTH IS THE EVIL ;AJ;FJ;AJ;F. How do I know? I went to school with these people. I live with one of these people. FFVII has a self perpetuating fanbase of retards, partially stemming from easy the game is. People who never played the game saw the movie, bought the figures, have the posters, etc., etc. And if they remade the game with some legitimate level of difficulty, those fans would piss and moan about it.

Let's take my Casablanca example. If the game's so fucking good, why does it need to be redone? If the plot's so damn amazing, why does it need sequels / prequels / etc? There's a laundry list of damn fantastic games that kept rolling on with their respective series', and didn't think twice about the characters from the games that got them famous. You know how many Earthbound games Ness is in? One. Just motherfucking one. Chrono Trigger? Never got remade, never got a movie. The sequel only concerns it in the least legitimate sense possible, at the last possible moment. ...And it sucked. Chrono Trigger got ported to PS, and that was about it. So what the fuck's so amazing about FFVII? Not a damn thing. It's getting milked for merchandising because it sprung up at the beginning of a market ideal for such. It was a solid game in the right place at the right time, let it fucking die.

Let's talk about the wrong time real quick. Why fill in the holes in the FFVII backstory (God knows we need more explaination, right? Games about Zack and the Turks and Avalanche and all that other bullshit's just not enough), when there's games that are actually good that didn't get finished? SaGa Frontier was an incredible game that met its memory constraints on the Playstation, and like Final Fantasy, the SaGa games don't tie into each other. The fanbase for SaGa Frontier is almost rabidly occult, and Japan went so far as to have established plot guides and artbooks to help fill in some of the blanks to the overarcing and, quite frankly, massive plot that unlike FFVII, didn't come to totally hinge one one angsty blonde kid. Why not go back and redo it, since as it was too damn awesome for the time that it existed in.

What about Parasite Eve? Despite being an absolutely breathtaking and epic game, it was forced into poor sales by its competition at time of release: Final Fantasy VII. Poor sales were misinterpreted as poor game design, despite the fact that PE's battle system was a console and a half ahead of FFVII's, and weapons / armor featured a level of customization FFVII can only pretend it had; PE's sequel was almost in name-only, and was essentially another Resident Evil knockoff. It's getting a cellphone game at some point in the future. ...That's about it. Why not use the slightly void RPG market of the moment to revive a franchise from its inopportune start? Why not give PE the fair chance it needed to build a real, mainstream fanbase?

I could do this all fucking day. There's RPGs all over the place that already had solid plots and believable characters and all that other shit that got screwed over by weird market timing. All you're doing by milking FFVII to death is soiling its legacy. It was an alright game that rolled in at the right time; let's not push our luck here.

[Kane Knight]

A remake of FF7 gives SE a chance to make an already amazing game (to millions of people, anyways) better and to show what it could have been.


I think your argument shows more what it was, than what it could have been. An easy RPG-lite for emotionally stunted retards and graphics whores. The main reason people want a graphical update is because it was primarily a shiny object with little function or substance. At the time, it was heralded is graphically stunning (Though the game itself was massively shitty compared to the cut scenes the little tardboys fapped to), and people want a sleeker version of the bishy emo bitches to fawn over.

[Sepholio]

ROFL. Comparing FFVII with Casablanca. And you think the fanboys are idiots? Come on dude, using completely unrelated things to try and further your point? I get it, you don't like FFVII. Deal with it dude. Just because you went to school with a few idiots who drool over the game doesn't mean everyone is like that. You are stereotyping everyone in the world who likes the game based on a few people you know; and while your tastes may differ, you come off as just as much of a whiny emo 'fankid'. Come on, you think SaGa Frontier is the tits, nothing else even needs to be said at that point. Oh except that you think PE is a console and a half advanced over FF7; a console and a half? What kind of retard are you? PE was a good game, had a good setting, but advanced? Have you ever considered that if it was so great it would have been the blockbuster title and FF7 would have been competing with it? No, no, that seems like to deep a principle for you.

You sit here bitching about how fanboys love FF7 when you make an even bigger deal about how you hate it? It's just a fucking game either way it goes, and now instead of playing it, I'm stuck building a bridge to cross this huge ass river you are crying me.

Furthermore, the whole remake principle doesn't apply to everything. A remake of Casablanca would phail miserably even if it was the greatest film ever made because it is not of the style poeple would really care about nowadays in the first place. People WANT a ff7 remake; don't think I've ever heard anyone beg for a new Casablanca. So yeah, lets remake the things people don't want and ignore what they do, that makes sense. Lets not remake the game that would make them more money than any other title they ever produced, that makes sense too. About as much sense as 99% of your comparisons do.

[Kane Knight]

ROFL. Don't quit your day job.

[Destor]

Elder Scrolls V, One day.

[Kalyx triaD]

Fable 2... has a co-op mode.

I'm gonna pay it off the second I can.