CM Punk

[Dame1]

Here is my opinion on this guy, now take this as constructive criticizm. But I don't think this guy fits in WWE. Now things have changed since the end of 2006, and the face of WWE has changed. I find the cat extremely overrated, and boring. Plus I find him to be quite the trashbag of a person in real-life, so what do you all think?

[Hanso Amore]

Prepare to be flamed by the fan boys.

[Kane Knight]

Yay, just what we needed. Another CM Punk thread.

[Porcupine]

Here is my opinion on this guy, now take this as constructive criticizm. But I don't think this guy fits in WWE. Now things have changed since the end of 2006, and the face of WWE has changed. I find the cat extremely overrated, and boring. Plus I find him to be quite the trashbag of a person in real-life, so what do you all think?

Well, I'm a bit split.

I dont find him to be boring, I actually like his style and find it pretty refreshing but I DO think he gets overrated too much on the net.

So in terms of a wrestler I like him.

Obviously I dont know him as a person, but from what ive read and from what he looks like, he does pretty much look like a pretentious prick so that detracts from me getting into his face character and all...but I dont know that for SURE, and I enjoy him as a wrestler, so I think he fits pretty well...just really overrated on the net thats all.

[Dame1]

Prepare to be flamed by the fan boys.

I just laugh at the fanboys.:yes:

[Afterlife]

I think his finish is pretty stupid. Other than that, I've enjoyed his 1 on1 feud matches, i.e., Stevie, Nitro and, even Chavo. In fact, I'd rather watch him than most of the top Raw guys, simply b/c they've been repetative a lot longer than Mr. Punk. As for being a lowlife individual, I think we can agree ol' Randy takes the cake on that one.

[The Optimist]

He's pretty cool. Ending his streak against Hardcore Holly was a stupid move, and his recent run of legitmate losses to Chavo are pretty shitty, but other than that I've enjoyed him in the WWE. I think the Anaconda Vice looked cooler than GO2SLEEP. But GTS sounds cooler than Anaconda Vice. Take what you will from that.

[Juan]

I've only seen his WWE work, but I've liked him so far. I agree that his loss to Holly was crap and that the GTS looks like shit, but I think the feud with Chavo is gonna help both guys in the end. I've really enjoyed their matches.

[NeanderCarl]

Who are you again?

[NeanderCarl]

In real life, Punk is a saint.

:shifty:

[Sting Fan]

Here is my opinion on this guy, now take this as constructive criticizm. But I don't think this guy fits in WWE. Now things have changed since the end of 2006, and the face of WWE has changed. I find the cat extremely overrated, and boring. Plus I find him to be quite the trashbag of a person in real-life, so what do you all think?

Im a little lost here, how exactly has the WWE changing since 2006 made him not fit in?

Personaly I dont see a lot of wrestling anymore so judging a full opinion of him is very hard but hes popular, his matches look good and he has a unique wrestling based look to him.

I dont know he will ever be an Austin or a Rock but I could easily see him getting a world title in the next two years.

And just out of curiosity how do you find him a trashbag of a person in real life? Did he personaly come piss in your cornflakes or did a freind of a mate whos sisters brothers cousin knows him say so?

[Dame1]

Who are you again?

Well I am a person who posts on this discussion forum, similar to you.;)

I just don't see how this guy is so over, and is yet to really show anything great. I don't blame Punk for all of that neccassarily, but he's still overrated.

[CSL]

And just out of curiosity how do you find him a trashbag of a person in real life? Did he personaly come piss in your cornflakes or did a freind of a mate whos sisters brothers cousin knows him say so?

I'm guessing the whole point of this thread was to make the 'real life' comment so people will ask.

Anyways, I think Punk is solid in the ring and a great promo guy and he could go 2 ways. I see his natural progression being moving to Smackdown, getting involved with Edge for a month or 2 then a heel turn. I think as a heel, he could make some real headway and be in a world title position in a year or 2. Most likely though he'll be left to get mad stale on ECW, start working Heat/squashes then 'future endeavours' time. Seriously think people would eat him up as a heel though.

[Heros Welcome]

I'm guessing the whole point of this thread was to make the 'real life' comment so people will ask.

Anyways, I think Punk is solid in the ring and a great promo guy and he could go 2 ways. I see his natural progression being moving to Smackdown, getting involved with Edge for a month or 2 then a heel turn. I think as a heel, he could make some real headway and be in a world title position in a year or 2. Most likely though he'll be left to get mad stale on ECW, start working Heat/squashes then 'future endeavours' time. Seriously think people would eat him up as a heel though.

I agree with what you say, as far as the heel turn goes and also a title run in the future. Though he loses some matches that he really shouldn't, to me it seems like he is going to be pushed as a top star in the coming years. I think once they realize how much better he can be for them as a heel, he is going to become huge. The look he portrays as a heel, I think he can get great heat.

Heel Punk > Face Punk

Also for the statement made by the thread starter about him being a trashbag, do you even know him? Because if you don't, why make the statement?

[Rammsteinmad]

I find the cat extremely overrated

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesM/miller_ernest_aug00.jpg

:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

[Rammsteinmad]

To add my 2 cents to this thread: I like CM Punk. Obviously being on ECW has kept him away from proper rivalries with big names, but in time he will have some killer fueds with people like Edge, Orton, Michaels, HHH, Kennedy, MVP, Jericho, Hardy etc.

His WWE stuff is watered down (for obvious reasons), but try and find some of his ROH stuff. Truly awesome. I didn't enjoy this FIP matches but his ROH matches were amazing.

Don't know him as a person so can't say, I've seen footage of him signing autographs etc, seems friendly enough I guess.

[Afterlife]

I'd also like to ask how referring to him as a "trashbag of a person" would be perceived as "constructive criticism".

[Londoner]

lol 'constructive criticism'..yeah, sorry but just saying 'he's shit' isn't that constructive.

[addy2hotty]

Overrated, nothing special, crowd apathetic to him.

He's CM Punk.

[Kane Knight]

Overrated, nothing special, crowd apathetic to him.

He's CM Punk.

Wait...I thought he was the most over guy in WWE today?

[The Optimist]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument. Or even a bad argument.

[NeanderCarl]

Wait...I thought he was the most over guy on the WWW today?

This man speaks the truth.

[Kane Knight]

You know, I suppose he could be the most over guy and still have the crowd be apathetic towards him. ;)

[NeanderCarl]

Touché

[KingofOldSchool]

Overrated, nothing special, crowd apathetic to him.

He's CM Punk.


heh?

[NeanderCarl]

He has lost a fair amount of heat during his burial, let's be fair.

And before people start saying "he was ECW champ", "you can't win every match" etc. you don't have to be jobbed out to be buried. Look at Goldberg.

[Kane Knight]

He has lost a fair amount of heat during his burial, let's be fair.


And his overness was exxagerated from the beginning.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesM/miller_ernest_aug00.jpg

:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

:eek: When was that photo of Shelton Benjamin taken?

[Mr. Nerfect]

And his overness was exxagerated from the beginning.

Yeah, the guy got a great reaction after his debut, continued to get good face reactions, got his name chanted over all the other "massive" faces at Survivor Series '06, and continues to be over despite often questionable booking of him.

Honestly, why can't people accept that CM Punk is just over? Granted, he has lost a lot of heat, recently, but the fans still, for the most part, reaction positively to the guy. That's more than what most guys on the roster get.

As for what CM Punk does at WrestleMania? I'm actually thinking we'll get Chavo Guerrero vs. CM Punk for the ECW Championship in an I Quit Match. I can just see their feud heating up between now and WrestleMania, and an I Quit Match seems like the most obvious "gimmick" to throw at the two.

Well, there's also Extreme Rules, but that doesn't seem "special" enough to blow off this feud, which has already had a bit of a hardcore match going for it, in the "Gulf of Mexico Match." I Quit is becoming a bit of a trademark for Chavo, and Punk is being tenacious in his chasing of the belt, so Chavo trying to get Punk to say "I quit" would make sense from a storyline point of view.

If Chavo and Punk get to work an I Quit Match at WrestleMania, I actually think it will be the sleeper match of the night, and would be great for both guys' careers.

As for what Punk should do post-WrestleMania, I think staying on ECW is actually the best thing for him. ECW and SmackDown! are pretty much conjoined brands right now. Punk can appear on SmackDown! whilst technically remaining with ECW. And Punk pretty much is ECW. Punk should be ECW Champion coming out of Mania, and a feud with Shelton Benjamin that elevates both men to main event level on the ECW/SmackDown! side of things would be great. A tease of an ECW Champion/World Heavyweight Champion rivalry would be interesting, too.

[Kane Knight]

And of course, Noid's got Punk's cock thoroughly lodged in his throat, so he's going to be completely dishonest about things. Again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And of course, Noid's got Punk's cock thoroughly lodged in his throat, so he's going to be completely dishonest about things. Again.

:wtf: I'm not nearly as big on Punk as so many other people here. And yeah, I lied my ass off about Punk's reactions, I guess. Video proof that the events happened isn't nearly good enough.

[Destor]

Punk is VERY over. Saying he isn't is pretty stupid.

Also, I agree that Punk doesn't fit in the WWE.

[Mister Sinister]

No he doesn't, but I rather just pay a cable bill to watch him then chuck out money to a company that produced the Age Of Fall.

But Punk was one of the main players in ROH when it was the most awesome thing on the planet, besides a blowjob of course.

[Tommy Gunn]

I find him pretty boring now, they need to turn him heel and freshen him up somehow.

Also, GTS is such a shit finish, almost as bad as Polumbo's full throttle.

[Heros Welcome]

I have no problem with the GTS, I just wish he started using the Vice again.

[addy2hotty]

Sorry, I should explain myself more fully - crowds on Raw and PPV's (other than ones where he uses DX catchphrases and has the benefit of two of the most over teams in WWE history in the ring with him, while being in his home town) are apathetic.

The piped in crowd LOVE him.

[Innovator]

The piped in crowd for a live ECW show? OK addy....and Philly isn't Punk's hometown.

He gets a solid reaction on ECW...cause he's the only decent thing going on the brand, put him on PPV you see that a lot of people don't watch ECW. Going to Smackdown following the Chavo feud would be the best thing for him.

I also agree that he should bring back the Vice

[Kane Knight]

The piped in crowd for a live ECW show?


You're right...That's physically impossible!

(I'll ignore the fact that as someone who trained for four years as an electronics technician and acoustic engineer, I could probably fucking do it myself, for the sake of humouring the tards.)

[Innovator]

Well of course it's possible, considering WCW was doing it for Goldie, and WWE did it for Cena on a couple occasions.

Punk's pop isn't dubbed in...mainly cause it's not a huge rockstar pop, or the standard WWE "one woman screams loudly with a mild pop behind it" dub.

[Heros Welcome]

Why must people assume its a dubed pop? You really think he can't pull in that type of reaction?

[Innovator]

Of course he can't, he's an overrated wrestler, average on the mic, and you're a retard for thinking overwise. No one likes him

[Heros Welcome]

Of course he can't, he's an overrated wrestler, average on the mic, and you're a retard for thinking overwise. No one likes him

You know what Inno, you are completely right. Thank you for showing me the light

[Kane Knight]

Of course he can't, he's an overrated wrestler, average on the mic, and you're a retard for thinking overwise. No one likes him

Mmmm...Strawmen...

[Innovator]

Mmmm...Strawmen...
:lol: cmon KK it's one of the only things we disagree on

BTW, WWE really needs to get a new dub in pop, cause everyone on Smackdown gets the same reaction...except for Undertaker and Edge

[ron the dial]

i like heel cm punk.

[Innovator]

Yeah heel Punk would be great, put him on Smackdown and turn him. Team him with MVP and you have Team Better Than You

[ron the dial]

he just has that smugness/cockiness/attitude about him at all times that lends itself to making a great heel. him as a face just doesn't feel right.

[KingofOldSchool]

Punk needs to start doing the Vyce again.

[Innovator]

he just has that smugness/cockiness/attitude about him at all times that lends itself to making a great heel. him as a face just doesn't feel right.
Heel Punk, especially during the Summer of Punk/2005, was just awesome. He can piss the crowd off and make you want to see him get his ass kicked, which is the point of being heel in the first place

[ron the dial]

that fucking heel turn. probably the best turn i've ever seen.

[KingofOldSchool]

When he turns heel, he needs to do it by turning on Matt Hardy who should hopefully be US Champ by then.

Him, MVP, and Edge should form a stable called Team EMP (Edge, Montell, Punk).

[Innovator]

that fucking heel turn. probably the best turn i've ever seen.
Especially when it coincided with Daniels's return

[Innovator]

When he turns heel, he needs to do it by turning on Matt Hardy who should hopefully be US Champ by then.

Him, MVP, and Edge should form a stable called Team EMP (Edge, Montell, Punk).
That'd make Smackdown the best show....no wait it already is

[Kane Knight]

:lol: cmon KK it's one of the only things we disagree on

Not saying you're a moron, or that we're arch enemies. I'm just calling it a strawman because, well, it is.

[Innovator]

Not saying you're a moron, or that we're arch enemies. I'm just calling it a strawman because, well, it is.
Oversimplified? yes...that was kind of the point

[KingofOldSchool]

That'd make Smackdown the best show....no wait it already is

What would make it even better is if it eventually leads to Punk and MVP turning on Edge.

If they don't pussifiy a babyface Edge, I could really see him getting over and having a good feud with both Punk and MVP.

[Innovator]

It'd elevate MVP up also, if they stay the course with him he's gonna be huge

I fear if they turn Edge face, they'd ruin him fast.

[KingofOldSchool]

It'd elevate MVP up also, if they stay the course with him he's gonna be huge

I fear if they turn Edge face, they'd ruin him fast.

The way I see, if/when Punk goes heel it will be his "Better Than You" sXe gimmick. Edge's Rated R Character is basically the opposite of that. They could so totally play that up with Punk saying that Edge was too worried about sleeping with random sluts and out partying to care about his career.

Or better yet, keep Punk and Edge together while turn MVP babyface instead.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mmmm...Strawmen...

No, it wasn't really a strawmen. Inno's point was that Punk is over, and he is. Granted, you didn't say that Punk is a bad wrestler, but you did pretty much state that he's not over (crowds are apathetic to him).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm fairly certain that CM Punk will be walking out of WrestleMania ECW Champion. What I'd love to see is a "Champion's Alliance" between Edge (WHC), CM Punk (ECWC) and MVP (USC). Imagine how much of a mark out moment it'd be if Edge ended The Undertaker's streak (which won't happen, but neither will a Punk heel turn) because of assist from CM Punk and MVP at WrestleMania.

Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins remain on-call as Edge's lackeys. You could maybe call up Colt Cabana to be CM Punk's guy. MVP can start touring with his own entourage. Not too many guys. Maybe just Atlas DaBone, or a remodeled Deuce N' Domino. It'd be a pretty big stable, but it'd have a hierarchy. Edge, Punk and MVP, as the Champions, would be the generals of the group.

Chavo Guerrero can turn face (I personally think he makes a sympathetic babyface), and can continue his feud with CM Punk, or he can go after Edge. Maybe have Edge dump Vickie Guerrero because he no longer "needs" her, which pisses off Chavo? Or you can just move Guerrero to RAW, don't have him revert back to his Kerwin White character, and become a solid mid-carder. An Intercontinental Title reign for Chavo would be a lot of fun, in my opinion.

[Afterlife]

I hate CM Punk threads.

[Skippord]

CM Punk threads get reactions

at least we know that

[Lux]

Here is my opinion on this guy, now take this as constructive criticizm. But I don't think this guy fits in WWE. Now things have changed since the end of 2006, and the face of WWE has changed. I find the cat extremely overrated, and boring. Plus I find him to be quite the trashbag of a person in real-life, so what do you all think?
I don't like you, i don't like cm punk

[Dame1]

I don't like you, i don't like cm punk

I don't like you either. I don't like CM Chump either.

[NYDon]

CM Chump

:rofl:

[Destor]

It's funny because Punk is an isult on it own.

[Destor]

CM McPeePants

[Heros Welcome]

CM J0bber!!!111!!

[Lux]

I don't like you either. I don't like CM Chump either.

I only don't like you for making a thread about your hate for CM Punk, i openly hate him... in threads that mention him not threads about him, that is why i hate you, you stupid fuck :mad: :foc:

[Skippord]

MORE LIKE CM FLUNK

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[Afterlife]

I'd think "CM Junk" is the easiest nameplay.

However, I don't hate CM Punk. Just the threads. Why, you ask? Because nobody ever actually says anything. There's a lot of talk that goes on, but nothing new or worthwhile is ever said. Group A says "I hate him for illogical and moot reasoning," and Group B says "I think he's great, but he's doomed b/c he's in WWE". And, when that gets worn thru the floor, we get Kane Knight and Alienoid to meander in and top everything off with their Kanoid semantics about the "could be"s of tampered crowd reactions and the "you deny"s of company strategies. And even that garbage is useless, because it all boils down to "I'm Not Listening" from every party involved. Just a bunch of fuckin' noise in typographic spatter, and nobody benefits in any fucking form.

[Innovator]

Kanoid :lol:

[Afterlife]

I thought you guys might like my new word.

[Dame1]

I only don't like you for making a thread about your hate for CM Punk, i openly hate him... in threads that mention him not threads about him, that is why i hate you, you stupid fuck :mad: :foc:

So you're calling me stupid, which is like the cow calling the dalmation spotted, when I make this thread about how much I despise that piece of overrated cow manuer(sp?) CM Chump? I just don't get it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So you're calling me stupid, which is like the cow calling the dalmation spotted, when I make this thread about how much I despise that piece of overrated cow manuer(sp?) CM Chump? I just don't get it.

That's a pretty awful saying. I've seen cows that aren't spotted. I've never seen a dalmatian that wasn't. Wait, are you albino?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd think "CM Junk" is the easiest nameplay.

However, I don't hate CM Punk. Just the threads. Why, you ask? Because nobody ever actually says anything. There's a lot of talk that goes on, but nothing new or worthwhile is ever said. Group A says "I hate him for illogical and moot reasoning," and Group B says "I think he's great, but he's doomed b/c he's in WWE". And, when that gets worn thru the floor, we get Kane Knight and Alienoid to meander in and top everything off with their Kanoid semantics about the "could be"s of tampered crowd reactions and the "you deny"s of company strategies. And even that garbage is useless, because it all boils down to "I'm Not Listening" from every party involved. Just a bunch of fuckin' noise in typographic spatter, and nobody benefits in any fucking form.

Rep for being the first explanation of why people talk down about Punk's reaction at SS. If they were going to add in reactions for a guy, though, why would they choose CM Punk over DX? Ah well.

CM Spunk was my first CM Punk name play.

[Afterlife]

What the crap are you talking about?

[Kane Knight]

Rep for being the first explanation of why people talk down about Punk's reaction at SS.


You mean you really have missed every time someone spelled it out to you explicitly? It's not you "playing your gimmick," you really missed all them posts directed at you, including ones you replied to?

Man, that's actually kind of sad.

Afterlife, I'd point out to you that this is the only time I've mentioned the possibility of an edited pop, but I don't think you actually deal in facts when you whine about me. I wasn't even saying Punk's pop was piped in, I just think it's utterly ridiculous for someone to assert it was a live show as a reason that it wasn't/couldn't have been. I mean, aside from the technology being available, we know WWE pipes in reactions big and small, things which are demonstrable and true.

I know that the facts, the truth, won't sway you, but I feel obliged to say it anyway, because your strawmen seem to get more ridiculous every time you complain about me. I mean, it's not even that hard to find a real reason to bitch about me. I'm an asshole, and a smug one at that. But to repeatedly make up shit just to have something to complain about? To consistently miss my points in a way only you and Noid seem able to do? Yeah, sorry, but you're smarter than that.

But for your benefit, I'll say one last thing: Arguing that something is not impossible is not the same as arguing that something actually happened. I mean, I could talk about the Magic Bullet theory, and the principles behind it, but it doesn't mean I believe in a second gunman taking Kennedy down with such a bullet.

WWE can affect the sound of a live show in myriad fashions. That doesn't mean I'm saying it happned with Punk; only that anyone who asserts the improbability based on it being a live show alone is a fool. Hopefully, that's plain English enough for you.

[spunkynut]

"I think it's this. It could be something else, and theres a chance it might not be. But it probably is. Dont quote me on it, I'm just saying.
+ a few personal insults and extreme hyperbole."



Pretty much every Kane Knight post summed up there^^^
Make your mind up numbnuts. And just admit you're wrong about the Punk SS pop...you've been embarassing yourself for long enough now.

[Afterlife]

You mean you really have missed every time someone spelled it out to you explicitly? It's not you "playing your gimmick," you really missed all them posts directed at you, including ones you replied to?

Man, that's actually kind of sad.

Afterlife, I'd point out to you that this is the only time I've mentioned the possibility of an edited pop, but I don't think you actually deal in facts when you whine about me. I wasn't even saying Punk's pop was piped in, I just think it's utterly ridiculous for someone to assert it was a live show as a reason that it wasn't/couldn't have been. I mean, aside from the technology being available, we know WWE pipes in reactions big and small, things which are demonstrable and true.

I know that the facts, the truth, won't sway you, but I feel obliged to say it anyway, because your strawmen seem to get more ridiculous every time you complain about me. I mean, it's not even that hard to find a real reason to bitch about me. I'm an asshole, and a smug one at that. But to repeatedly make up shit just to have something to complain about? To consistently miss my points in a way only you and Noid seem able to do? Yeah, sorry, but you're smarter than that.

But for your benefit, I'll say one last thing: Arguing that something is not impossible is not the same as arguing that something actually happened. I mean, I could talk about the Magic Bullet theory, and the principles behind it, but it doesn't mean I believe in a second gunman taking Kennedy down with such a bullet.

WWE can affect the sound of a live show in myriad fashions. That doesn't mean I'm saying it happned with Punk; only that anyone who asserts the improbability based on it being a live show alone is a fool. Hopefully, that's plain English enough for you.

It never ceases to amaze me how long-winded you get when someone calls you on being...well...you.

It's also fun that you start off many of your insults toward me with "You're a smart guy," and then proceed to talk down about my wits and presume, in pompous disillusionment, that not only did I miss your point, but that I am rare in thinking you anything other than paramount in knowledge of the topic at hand. (Yes, that's a big ass sentence.)

Third -- and my personal favorite -- you just spent four defensive paragraphs explaining that I'm a presumptuous idiot, when it is you, my half-bearded nemesis, who missed the fecking point. O Bohemian Irony. I was not indicating any specifics of claims from either of you. I simply chose examples to demonstrate how repetative and useless you two can be about completely rock-dumb concepts. How many times do you make cynical "fake pop" remarks, be they legit or otherwise? How many times have I had to tell Alienoid that the SS Punk Pop (which still sounds like a gay cruise ship) was a fucking FLUKE? The point was -- and is, for that matter -- that it doesn't MATTER how many times. Because nobody in threads of this genre ever fecking listens to anybody else, and you, sir, take the cake in that aspect, as demonstrated by intentionally missing my point the first time.

Now, thank the good Lord this horse is already dead, or he'd have some serious internal bleeding.

[addy2hotty]

He seemed so over on Monday night :shifty:

[Lux]

So you're calling me stupid, which is like the cow calling the dalmation spotted, when I make this thread about how much I despise that piece of overrated cow manuer(sp?) CM Chump? I just don't get it.

No its not the cow calling the dalmation spotted you ingorent hick, you made a thread expressing your hate of cm punk, where as i hate him when he's brought up in other threads, theres a difference because i don't make cm punk threads nor do i hunt for his name in others, christ your stupid

[Mr. Nerfect]

You mean you really have missed every time someone spelled it out to you explicitly? It's not you "playing your gimmick," you really missed all them posts directed at you, including ones you replied to?

Man, that's actually kind of sad.

Find me one I replied to, because I honestly do not remember it. All I remember is me asking you what's with the sarcasm directed at Punk out-popping DX and The Hardys, and you dancing around it with responses like "I don't need to explain it, if you can't get it, you don't deserve to know." You might have gone on to say something after that, but I never read it, so I don't know how I replied to it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What the crap are you talking about?

Weren't you explaining the sarcastic KK side of the "CM Punk out-popped DX" thing? If you weren't I apologise.

[Afterlife]

Weren't you explaining the sarcastic KK side of the "CM Punk out-popped DX" thing? If you weren't I apologise.

No. I was being a jerk because you won't admit it was a fluke event and he won't admit anything. Ever. I think you are the single sharpest guy here when it comes to character development and booking theory, but that was a largely RoH crowd and I think we've hammered that down fairly well. In fact, I'm feeling some serious (and genuine) deja vu about typing that statement.

I really hate it when you two go at it over trivial crap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He seemed so over on Monday night :shifty:

What the fuck? See, I don't get this. He was over on RAW. Granted, he didn't get an Austin/Rock pop, but who does these days. "zOmg, the crowd was dead wen hbk came out...he must not be ova1" Punk got a nice pop, and the fans got behind him in the match. The man is over.

I would not put it past the WWE to pipe in reactions, but I sincerely doubt the Survivor Series pop Punk got was piped-in. Why would they choose CM Punk when Triple H and Shawn Michaels were right there? As if Triple H and Michaels would be cool with that? I believe CM Punk went on to play the face-in-peril in that match, if I remember correctly. Why have Punk look so good at the beginning of the match only to then have him be the weakest link in a unanimously victorious team?

CM Punk also found his momentum immediately switched after the event. I believe he jobbed to Hardcore Holly as early as that week. Then he was first eliminated from the Extreme Elimination Chamber. Yes, I do believe these were punishments for being more over than DX.

Please do not turn that into "Cm Punk should unify every title at Wrestlemania including Women's!!1" It's not. Punk jobbing to Holly and then being first banished from the Elimination Chamber was just horrible booking, though. Punk should have beaten Holly, and then outlasted Big Show, Hardcore Holly and Test in the Elimination Chamber. A case could be made for him surviving past Rob Van Dam, as well, but let's assume that we do hold back on Punk a little.

Afterlife, I do believe there is a third camp in the CM Punk discussion: The man is good, and that he will be successful in the WWE. Despite questionable booking of the man, the WWE has been pushing him up the ranks, and haven't ruined him yet. Vince also mentions him as one of the stars of the future.

[Afterlife]

I'm not arguing that theory at all. In fact, that is my most sincere belief. But until I see that argument made clearly and concisely without massive exaggerations of metaphor and hyperbole, I'm reluctant to add it to my perception of CM PUnk threads.

And, for what it's worth, I really don't think anyone seriously believes they piped in a CM punk chant that night. But it WAS a fluke. Vince controls the show, and you will cheer for your man as he decrees and not a moment sooner.

Also, way to make my name purple. Looks pretty slick. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not arguing that theory at all. In fact, that is my most sincere belief. But until I see that argument made clearly and concisely without massive exaggerations of metaphor and hyperbole, I'm reluctant to add it to my perception of CM PUnk threads.

And, for what it's worth, I really don't think anyone seriously believes they piped in a CM punk chant that night. But it WAS a fluke. Vince controls the show, and you will cheer for your man as he decrees and not a moment sooner.

Also, way to make my name purple. Looks pretty slick. :y:

I agree that it was a fluke. It was a smart crowd who wanted to see the ROH guy do well. Punk would be lucky to get another reaction like that in Chicago given how WWE crowds are these days.

[Innovator]

I wouldn't even call it outpopping DX. The crowd started chanting for Punk before Triple H talked, Trips stopped, let them chant, then included Punk into the DX shtick. Punk wasn't even the weakest link on the team, pretty sure he eliminated someone.

[Innovator]

I agree that it was a fluke. It was a smart crowd who wanted to see the ROH guy do well. Punk would be lucky to get another reaction like that in Chicago given how WWE crowds are these days.
He did, last night.

[Heros Welcome]

I wouldn't even call it outpopping DX. The crowd started chanting for Punk before Triple H talked, Trips stopped, let them chant, then included Punk into the DX shtick. Punk wasn't even the weakest link on the team, pretty sure he eliminated someone.

Made Morrison tap to....THE VICE!

[NeanderCarl]

He didn't "out-pop" DX at all. He did get a chant, sure. His actual pop when he made his entrance was okay, wasn't as big as DX's though. The chant started small and grew, but wasn't he in his hometown too? Doubt very much he was "punished" for getting a chant in his home town.

[Heros Welcome]

He didn't "out-pop" DX at all. He did get a chant, sure. His actual pop when he made his entrance was okay, wasn't as big as DX's though. The chant started small and grew, but wasn't he in his hometown too? Doubt very much he was "punished" for getting a chant in his home town.

Nah it was Philly

[KingofOldSchool]

Nah it was Philly

BUT HE WRESTLED THERE BEFORE!

That = Hometown

Didn't you hear?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wouldn't even call it outpopping DX. The crowd started chanting for Punk before Triple H talked, Trips stopped, let them chant, then included Punk into the DX shtick. Punk wasn't even the weakest link on the team, pretty sure he eliminated someone.

I get what you're saying, but I would consider it out-popping, in the sense that the fans chose to run with CM Punk. Granted, they all might have liked all the guys in the ring, and they weren't exactly booing the others, but Punk did steal the spotlight away for a second.

And Punk did eliminate Johnny Nitro, I believe, but everyone on "Team DX" had a hand in eliminating someone. HBK more so than anyone, although Mike Knox was a freebie.

I think Punk may have been the guy to get beat down the most on the face team, though. I may be wrong, however.

[Afterlife]

He didn't "out-pop" DX at all. He did get a chant, sure. His actual pop when he made his entrance was okay, wasn't as big as DX's though. The chant started small and grew, but wasn't he in his hometown too? Doubt very much he was "punished" for getting a chant in his home town.

It wasn't a punishment. It was Vince trying to redirect the applause. He wants you to cheer who he gives you to cheer, so he tried to dull down CM Punk. Now, as Punk is getting higher up the ladder, he can also take credit for Punk's support.

Why is this kind of formula so hard for ppl to visualize?

[Mr. Nerfect]

He didn't "out-pop" DX at all. He did get a chant, sure. His actual pop when he made his entrance was okay, wasn't as big as DX's though. The chant started small and grew, but wasn't he in his hometown too? Doubt very much he was "punished" for getting a chant in his home town.

He wasn't in his hometown. He was just over. And I agree with what you were saying, but I think it depends on what you classify as "out-popping." He did get a reaction that was, at one stage, overwhelmingly bigger than any of the other guys in the match. It wasn't a Rock/Hogan in Toronto thing, though.

A little off-topic, though: I would love to see Rock/Hogan again in Toronto. I bet roles are reversed, and I'd get endless joy out of it.

[Afterlife]

I get what you're saying, but I would consider it out-popping, in the sense that the fans chose to run with CM Punk. Granted, they all might have liked all the guys in the ring, and they weren't exactly booing the others, but Punk did steal the spotlight away for a second.

And Punk did eliminate Johnny Nitro, I believe, but everyone on "Team DX" had a hand in eliminating someone. HBK more so than anyone, although Mike Knox was a freebie.

I think Punk may have been the guy to get beat down the most on the face team, though. I may be wrong, however.

That, right there, is where you and I had problems before. Punk did not steal anything. He did not EARN the pop. He just kinda stood there. I told you a million times, the CROWD made the pop. THe crowd GAVE him the admiration. But he did not DO fucking ANYthing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It wasn't a punishment. It was Vince trying to redirect the applause. He wants you to cheer who he gives you to cheer, so he tried to dull down CM Punk. Now, as Punk is getting higher up the ladder, he can also take credit for Punk's support.

Why is this kind of formula so hard for ppl to visualize?

That's exactly it. I know I used the word "punishment," and you're rebutting to it, but that's exactly it. Punk was too over for Vince to handle, so he tried to kill his heat. Not completely, of course, but when you have a guy get a reaction like that, the obvious thing to do is, you know, capitalise on it?

[Afterlife]

But it's Vince's show. He's not going to re-write a 60-man operation last minute unless he has to, a la Jeff Hardy. He's going to take things slow and progressive, like usual, until he gets you where he wants you to be. It's not stupid, it's just the general formula.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That, right there, is where you and I had problems before. Punk did not steal anything. He did not EARN the pop. He just kinda stood there. I told you a million times, the CROWD made the pop. THe crowd GAVE him the admiration. But he did not DO fucking ANYthing.

I have read this from you before (I normally get frustrated with CM Punk threads just as much as you, because KK and addy don't really make sense in them), but I do disagree with you here. CM Punk did do something to get that pop. He was CM Punk. The pop was not based on his existence then and there, it was his character and past that the fans that the crowd was cheering.

The reason Punk really got a loud reaction in Philly? It was probably because of his association with ROH. Did Punk do anything ROH? Fuck yes, he did. At this point in his WWE career, CM Punk was one of the freshest and most exciting guys on the roster, and the WWE had yet to fuck him up (and they still really are yet to completely blow it with him, although I'd argue that they haven't done the best, either). The crowd were also cheering that.

CM Punk didn't need to do the Charleston or anything to get a pop. Guys don't need to do that. The Rock comes out, takes off his glasses, and he could get a standing ovation. As far as I'm concerned, that's The Rock getting that pop. If there's someone else in the ring cutting a promo at the time, and The Rock does that, it's stealing the spotlight, in my opinion.

One of the things I've learned about acting and performing in general, is that you don't need to do something all the time. Sometimes nothing is in itself the appropriate action. I think in this case it was, too. Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy are kind of non-issues here, I hate to say, as while both are incredibly over, neither man had any real presence there. I'm not trying to say either guy is bland, but they were taking the backseat here.

Triple H and Shawn Michaels came out and did their shtick, with their backwards caps and HBK jumping around Triple H's Nelson like Martin in that episode of The Simpsons entitled "Lemon of Troy." CM Punk, in my opinion, and this is just opinion, looked like the coolest guy in the ring at that point. Triple H and Shawn Michaels are like dads trying to act call at a picnic, and Matt and Jeff were kind of lost in it all. Punk, for whatever reason, sort of stood out as someone with a lot more (I hate to say this) "maturity" than anyone else on his team at that point in time.

That had a lot to do with his chant. The aura that Punk gave off was just a lot more appealing to your adult male wrestling fan. Punk knew what was going on was ridiculous and cheesy, and the fans could have very easily connected with that.

It was like in the 2005 Diva Search. Ashley Massaro won that contest because she didn't do anything. While all the other girls were dancing around like mindless eye candy, Ashley just stood there. She earned the fans' vote that way.

Less is more, as the old cliche goes. Sorry my posts don't live by that saying.

[NeanderCarl]

I just believe that chant was something a few people in the crowd were adament about doing, and it just caught on and spread. Philly's a funny town for crowd reaction anyway. If somebody had started a tongue-in-cheek Mike Knox chant, it may have caught on.

It certainly helped that people liked Punk and wanted to chant for him (otherwise, of course, they wouldn't have) but I think there was an element of right place/right time with that chant. It started with a vocal minority and spread.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Punk here, I'm just saying don't read too much into it. If Punk could "outpop DX" or even have a large crowd chanting his name every night, in every town, he'd be a lot more prominent than he is right now. Yes, Vinnie Mac is a control freak, but he has proven he WILL go with the flow for the sake of business even if it is against his own better judgement, especially when his arm is twisted by the crowd. Matt Hardy and his present employment status can attest to that.

One nice reaction on one night means nothing to a long term career. Just ask Davey Boy Smith... if you have access to a flux capacitor.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But it's Vince's show. He's not going to re-write a 60-man operation last minute unless he has to, a la Jeff Hardy. He's going to take things slow and progressive, like usual, until he gets you where he wants you to be. It's not stupid, it's just the general formula.

I get you, and I don't completely disagree with this. It is the general formula, and Vince does like to do things his way. I don't think that's always stupid (he is the boss, and should have control and the guys under his thumb, I guess), but I don't think it's smart, either.

When was the last time the WWE created a real star? Batista is probably the closest the WWE has come in recent years. I mean, I guess you could consider John Cena a star, but ratings have dropped under him, PPV buys have gone down. I think Batista generally improved things heading into his match with Triple H at WrestleMania 21. Cena was second fiddle, and things changed when Batista became the #2 guy.

I may be wrong about all of that, but the point isn't whether or not Batista was a success. If he was, though, then it fuels my point: A lot of the guys that have made a lot of money have been happy accidents. Steve Austin was probably not someone Vince ever really saw as a main eventer. He got to deliver his own edgy promo, though, and from there Austin really caught on, started to build, and through his performances became the biggest financial success I believe the WWE has ever had (I think it's been proven Austin made more money than Hogan). They didn't always put him over, and one of Austin's defining moments was when he lost to Bret Hart at WrestleMania 13. Another was his legendary pursuit to be WWE Champion. Not always success stories.

Rocky Maivia was bland as a babyface, did not catch on. If Vince did things the Vince way, and tried to keep him going to plan, then we'd probably never had experienced "The Rock." It was listening to the fans, turning Rocky heel, and letting him go from there that allowed The Rock to become what he became.

Listening to the fans often results in success. Granted, you can't do it all the time, but Matt Hardy circa 2005, Christian circa 2005 and CM Punk circa 2006 are three of the biggest missed opportunities the WWE has let slip by. John Cena from about 2005 onwards is also something the WWE hasn't rightly listened to the fans on, in my opinion.

[Afterlife]

I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

I'm not taking away from RoH -- which IS why he got that reaction. I don't remeber the in-ring antics so vividly; only that Punk did nothing to incite the crowd or their chant. In fact, it seems to me it was just as much surprise to him as it was to everyone else.

When the Rock gives the eyebrow, that's doing something. I don't know why -- I don't wanna know why -- but people flip for that shit. But it's something he conciously does to elicit a response from the people. "Just standing there" doesn't do it. His play off of the in-ring events might have spawned a crowd connection, but being a lifeless meat puppet would not.

I don't want to be unclear about this: Punk, at his forst major WWE ppv? Yes; that deserves a noteworthy reaction. And, by God, he got one. He got what many believe he deserved: an enormous show of "You finally hit the big time" support and huzzahs from his home crowd. But he did not ask for the reaction, therefore he did not create it.

And, before anyone bitches, I said "home crowd", not "home town".

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just believe that chant was something a few people in the crowd were adament about doing, and it just caught on and spread. Philly's a funny town for crowd reaction anyway. If somebody had started a tongue-in-cheek Mike Knox chant, it may have caught on.

It certainly helped that people liked Punk and wanted to chant for him (otherwise, of course, they wouldn't have) but I think there was an element of right place/right time with that chant. It started with a vocal minority and spread.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Punk here, just saying don't read too much into it. If Punk could outpop DX every night, in every town, he'd be a lot more prominent than he is right now. One nice reaction on one night means nothing to a long term career. Just ask Davey Boy Smith... if you have access to a flux capacitor.

You are exactly right. I 100% agree with you here. The chant started off with a group of guys who have probably attended a lot of ROH shows in Philly, and the fans are him probably though "Hey, fuck yeah, let's chant for Punk!"

What the WWE could have done with this, though, is build off it. The fans were willing to. I'm not sure where the WWE held December to Dismember, but I know the fans were really hot for both Punk and RVD. They were riding the Survivor Series wave with Punk, I guess, and were genuinely deflated when he went first. You could almost feel collective disappointment.

I'm most disappointed that the WWE didn't capitalise on the reaction, and that some people act like it didn't happen at all.

[Afterlife]

I get you, and I don't completely disagree with this. It is the general formula, and Vince does like to do things his way. I don't think that's always stupid (he is the boss, and should have control and the guys under his thumb, I guess), but I don't think it's smart, either.

When was the last time the WWE created a real star? Batista is probably the closest the WWE has come in recent years. I mean, I guess you could consider John Cena a star, but ratings have dropped under him, PPV buys have gone down. I think Batista generally improved things heading into his match with Triple H at WrestleMania 21. Cena was second fiddle, and things changed when Batista became the #2 guy.

I may be wrong about all of that, but the point isn't whether or not Batista was a success. If he was, though, then it fuels my point: A lot of the guys that have made a lot of money have been happy accidents. Steve Austin was probably not someone Vince ever really saw as a main eventer. He got to deliver his own edgy promo, though, and from there Austin really caught on, started to build, and through his performances became the biggest financial success I believe the WWE has ever had (I think it's been proven Austin made more money than Hogan). They didn't always put him over, and one of Austin's defining moments was when he lost to Bret Hart at WrestleMania 13. Another was his legendary pursuit to be WWE Champion. Not always success stories.

Rocky Maivia was bland as a babyface, did not catch on. If Vince did things the Vince way, and tried to keep him going to plan, then we'd probably never had experienced "The Rock." It was listening to the fans, turning Rocky heel, and letting him go from there that allowed The Rock to become what he became.

Listening to the fans often results in success. Granted, you can't do it all the time, but Matt Hardy circa 2005, Christian circa 2005 and CM Punk circa 2006 are three of the biggest missed opportunities the WWE has let slip by. John Cena from about 2005 onwards is also something the WWE hasn't rightly listened to the fans on, in my opinion.

I agree with this, 100%.

[NeanderCarl]

Austin really caught on, started to build, and through his performances became the biggest financial success I believe the WWE has ever had (I think it's been proven Austin made more money than Hogan).

Not to be picky because this is besides the point, but Austin probably had a better drawing prime year than Hogan's prime year, but for longevity Hogan has drawn more money in the wrestling business than anyone else ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

I'm not taking away from RoH -- which IS why he got that reaction. I don't remeber the in-ring antics so vividly; only that Punk did nothing to incite the crowd or their chant. In fact, it seems to me it was just as much surprise to him as it was to everyone else.

When the Rock gives the eyebrow, that's doing something. I don't know why -- I don't wanna know why -- but people flip for that shit. But it's something he conciously does to elicit a response from the people. "Just standing there" doesn't do it. His play off of the in-ring events might have spawned a crowd connection, but being a lifeless meat puppet would not.

I don't want to be unclear about this: Punk, at his forst major WWE ppv? Yes; that deserves a noteworthy reaction. And, by God, he got one. He got what many believe he deserved: an enormous show of "You finally hit the big time" support and huzzahs from his home crowd. But he did not ask for the reaction, therefore he did not create it.

And, before anyone bitches, I said "home crowd", not "home town".

That's fair enough, I guess. I'm also sticking to my guns. Punk definitely formed a connection that that crowd tonight, in my opinion. Well, they formed it with him, I'll agree with that. But there has to be something that makes people want to do that. Even if it's not something obvious, and even if it's something that, as far as some can tell, does not exist.

Punk did look surprised when he got the reaction (I personally thought his reaction of "Hey, that's me" was priceless), but I still think that by not dancing around like Triple H and Shawn Michaels, and just being cool about everything, people connected with him.

There were a lot of elements involved. I'm of the belief that if someone gets a reaction, even if they don't seem like they're doing something, then they still deserve it. An application of that "*insert number of people* can't be wrong" saying. Not saying that the group is always right under any given circumstance, but when it comes to opinion, it's hard to argue with majority in a popularity contest.

[Afterlife]

Not to be picky because this is besides the point, but Austin probably had a better drawing prime year than Hogan's prime year, but for longevity Hogan has drawn more money in the wrestling business than anyone else ever.

O.k., just to clarify: If The Point is Ohio, and Besides The Point is Mongolia, you've just hit Mars. :roll:

[Afterlife]

That's fair enough, I guess. I'm also sticking to my guns. Punk definitely formed a connection that that crowd tonight, in my opinion. Well, they formed it with him, I'll agree with that. But there has to be something that makes people want to do that. Even if it's not something obvious, and even if it's something that, as far as some can tell, does not exist.

Punk did look surprised when he got the reaction (I personally thought his reaction of "Hey, that's me" was priceless), but I still think that by not dancing around like Triple H and Shawn Michaels, and just being cool about everything, people connected with him.

There were a lot of elements involved. I'm of the belief that if someone gets a reaction, even if they don't seem like they're doing something, then they still deserve it. An application of that "*insert number of people* can't be wrong" saying. Not saying that the group is always right under any given circumstance, but when it comes to opinion, it's hard to argue with majority in a popularity contest.

But, isn't that what I said? :wtf:

[NeanderCarl]

http://images.radcity.net/5567/1599061.jpg

[Afterlife]

http://images.radcity.net/5567/1599061.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA, Holy shit, dude. That was fast! :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not to be picky because this is besides the point, but Austin probably had a better drawing prime year than Hogan's prime year, but for longevity Hogan has drawn more money in the wrestling business than anyone else ever.

Is this so? I'm not going to argue, because I do not know the statistics. I guess that makes sense, though, because really, for the time Austin was around, Hogan was around, too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But, isn't that what I said? :wtf:

Pretty much, except I'm saying that Punk did earn his pop by meeting the same criteria. It's basically semantics we're arguing.

[Afterlife]

Pretty much, except I'm saying that Punk did earn his pop by meeting the same criteria. It's basically semantics we're arguing.


Are you sure we're not arguing logic? Because I"m saying the crowd gave him the pop due to his history, and you're saying his history earned him his pop. But your theory is my theory. Except that I'm saying you're wrong.

[NeanderCarl]

Well.. Hogan had a good run with Andre in the WWWF in the late 70s/early 80s. Then he was the AWA's biggest draw in the early 80s, even though they refused to put the belt on him. Then he had a huuuuuuuge run in the WWF through the 1980s and was still a draw in the early 90s. In the mid 90s, he led WCW to record breaking success on PPV, and later as part of the nWo had another great three year run as the frontman of the hottest act in wrestling. And to this day he is still brought in as a special attraction for occasional PPVs, showing WWE still has faith in him to add buys to a show.

By my reckoning, that's close to three decades as a big draw, and two seperate huge money runs.... Austin doesn't come close.

Austin 1998-1999 probably made more money for the WWF than Hogan ever made in one year, however.

[Afterlife]

MARS.

[McLegend]

Hahaha 4.0 goes off on every new poster. It's hilarious.

[ron the dial]

oh my god who cares how can this still be an argument

[Innovator]

oh my god who cares how can this still be an argument
dare I say it...ok

people gotta MAN UP BABY ITS WAR BOYS MAN UP MAN UP YEAH YEAH

[ron the dial]

MAN UP PUNK BITCH GONNA WHIP YR ASS BOY YEAH MAN UP MAN UP

[Innovator]

CM PUNK ITS WAR MAN UP DUBBED POP MAN UP YEAH BOYE YEAH YEAH KOFI BOOP MAN UP

[addy2hotty]

I loved Punk's burial by Edge. Let's be honest, anyone who faces Edge would get a 'get behind him' reaction from the audience. There was no reaction to him coming out AT ALL. I've rewatched it Alienoid, and I stand by it.

Punk was not over on Raw, he was just facing Edge.

[spunkynut]

I loved Punk's burial by Edge. Let's be honest, anyone who faces Edge would get a 'get behind him' reaction from the audience. There was no reaction to him coming out AT ALL. I've rewatched it Alienoid, and I stand by it.

Punk was not over on Raw, he was just facing Edge.

Umm...is that why Edge was cheered/more over than Rey at the recent No Way Out(I think) PPV?

[Afterlife]

That was probably b/c Rey was wasting everyone's time, what with the completely wrecked arm and no chance at winning.

[Innovator]

Umm...is that why Edge was cheered/more over than Rey at the recent No Way Out(I think) PPV?
Edge = entertaining/the man

[spunkynut]

Edge = entertaining/the man

I totally agree. And I guess it helps that he plays his character so well and is totally dislikeable, but to say that any opponent he faces will be cheered by default is a bit of a stretch.

[NYDon]

Edge = entertaining/the man

Edge eats dick

Not entertaining at all

[Innovator]

I totally agree. And I guess it helps that he plays his character so well and is totally dislikeable, but to say that any opponent he faces will be cheered by default is a bit of a stretch.
I was there at the Rumble this year, despite having two cronies and sleeping with the GM/widow of Eddie Guerrero, Edge pretty much came out to a reception like the conquering Romans entering the capital.

[Lux]

Edge eats dick

Not entertaining at all

You watching the same show we are, Edge is the best, Rated R for life!

[Heros Welcome]

You watching the same show we are, Edge is the best, Rated R for life!

[Dame1]

Guys like CM Punk are the reason why I hate the IWC.

[KingofOldSchool]

Guys like Dame1 are the reason why I think their should be an IQ minimum to come on the internet.

[Volare]

Guys like me are the reason why short yellow busses were made.

[Kane Knight]

Guys like CM Punk are the reason why I hate the IWC.

As much as this guy annoys, I kinda have to agree.

[Kane Knight]

Guys like Dame1 are the reason why I think their should be an IQ minimum to come on the internet.

The majority of the posters in this <s>thread</s> wouldn't be able to log in.

Come to think of it, the six of us who could scrape together more than 85 points would probably have a good time. :D

[Dame1]

Guys like Dame1 are the reason why I think their should be an IQ minimum to come on the internet.

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

[El Fangel]

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

Does it have to be challenged when it is obvious?

[Lux]

Guys like Dame1 are the reason why I think their should be an IQ minimum to come on the internet.

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

:wtf: :foc: :mad:

[Dame1]

Does it have to be challenged when it is obvious?

Are you someone special or something? Get off my back.
I just wanted to make an anti-Punk thread because he pisses me off. That's all.

[Lux]

STFU

[El Fangel]

Are you someone special or something? Get off my back.
I just wanted to make an anti-Punk thread because he pisses me off. That's all.

Im just giving ya some training, because your going to be carrying KK around for along time.

[Kane Knight]

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

Do you have any to challenge?

[thedamndest]

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

Does it have to be challenged when it is obvious?

STFU

Do you have any to challenge?

<img src="http://www.fakejazz.com/images/gauntlet-box.jpg">

[thedamndest]

Let's get that bad boy thrown down.

[Goulet]

I just wanted to make an anti-Punk thread because he pisses me off. That's all.

But you've made more than one thread about it. :wtf:

[Kane Knight]

The other one is just about Punk's sexuality. Straight Edge? He takes more cock than a black man at KFC.

[Lux]

I just wanted to make an anti-Punk thread because he pisses me off.

Your pissing me off

[Kane Knight]

Make an anti Dame1 thread.

[Heros Welcome]

Your pissing me off

[Afterlife]

Make an anti Dame1 thread.

Fair is fair. In fact, it's more than fair: Dame1 can defend himself; Punk's not here to do that.

[CSL]

AFTERLIFE IN 'THE NICK MONDO DEFENSE' SHOCKER

[KingofOldSchool]

Ha are you challenging my intelligence?

The only challenge for me would be to actually find an ounce of intellect in you.

[Afterlife]

AFTERLIFE IN 'THE NICK MONDO DEFENSE' SHOCKER

Huh? :wtf:

[D Mac]

<img src="http://www.fakejazz.com/images/gauntlet-box.jpg">

:heart:

[Kane Knight]

Huh? :wtf:

That asshat who had a hard on for Nick Mondo (Sadistic?) used to use the "he's not here to defend himself" line. Only I think he meant it a little more seriously, since he actually, you know, went and "tattled" on us to Nick Mondo.

[Skippord]

that was good times

[Afterlife]

Oh. I don't recall that. Then again, I hardly recall Nick Mondo. :roll:

I was just saying, it'd be funny to make a thread devoted to randomly hating a guy who made a thread devoted to randomly hating someone else. Especially because this guy can tell us why we shouldn't hate him, whereas his target doesn't really care if we hate him.

[Afterlife]

Oh, and lol @ "asshat". :lol:

[Lux]

Make an anti Dame1 thread.

i'm getting close to doing it

[Afterlife]

Instant rep if you do. :lol:

[Lux]

There ya go