Better Wrestler #10

[Destor]

Eddie wins again. He's off to a good start lets see how he does against a legend. On to taday's Easter match up:

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vs

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3 days as usual.

History:

RVD vs CM Punk (24-19-2)
RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)
RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23-1)
Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5-1)
Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23-3)
Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)
Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14-2)
Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23-13)
Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7-3)

[Destor]

This one I'm going to have to think a while about and get back to you.

[Londoner]

Eddie once again for me, There are only a few wrestlers who i think i would vote for instead of eddie.

[Pardeep 619]

Both wrestlers were excellent in terms of ring ability and both were very believable as face and heel, however Macho Man could not cut a decent promo without having to shout whereas Eddie was brilliant as promos.

Eddie gets my vote yet again.

[Destor]

I had to vote a draw. I just can't honestly think of a area where one really stands out over the other. Promos are tight as hell. Eddie picked up in the promos toward the end of his career but his promos were considerably worse than the average Savage promo up until then. Match quality is neck to neck with no man proving the better. Savage and Eddie have both had some all time classics. Savage gets a slight advantage in longevity but really, Eddie's star burns brighter than Savage's does and Eddie's been dead for a couple of years now. Which says a lot next to Savage. They both played booth sides of the coin VERY well, and niether really stands out in that department.

Honestly I don't know how I could consider one superior to another. Had to go with draw.

[KingofOldSchool]

Macho Man, without question.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Macho Man, baby. Firstly, I think Eddie's seriously overrated by a lot of you here. Secondly, it's the fucking Macho Man. Maybe I'm voting based on nostalgia, but he was involved in some of my favorite feuds and matches of all time (Hogan, Flair, Warrior, etc.). I love Randy Savage.

[Londoner]

How is eddie overrated? I dont remember one time where he didn't entertain me, and he's more my era sort of thing..so gotta go with eddie. Eddie certainly is not overrated.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought he was a pretty bland babyface in WCW, for starters. Also, Macho Man's rap skills are way better. :shifty:

[Londoner]

Well imo his time in wwe makes up for what he did in wcw. ;)

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well IMO, Macho Man is better, so FUCK YOU.

I'm sorry, that was harsh. Still though, Macho Man FTW, if not for his feud with Ric Flair (with the alleged compromising photographs of Miss Elizabeth), the match with careers on the line with the Ultimate Warrior (looooooooooooove that match), and getting bitten by Damien (that was Jake Roberts' snake for all you young bucks) alone.

Also, I think he somehow made Slim Jims more delicious. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAH!

[Anybody Thrilla]

ALSO, once I was at a live event when I was a wee pup, and there was this fat drunk guy dressed EXACTLY like The Macho Man. Full garb, it was amazing.

Anyway, at the top of the stairs of my section after he had just purchased two beers, he yelled out "OHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAH!" and proceeded to slip on the top step, falling down the whole row and dousing himself with beer.

That may actually be my favorite wrestling memory of all time. Eddie Guerrero never did that for me.

[Loose Cannon]

Both wrestlers were excellent in terms of ring ability and both were very believable as face and heel, however Macho Man could not cut a decent promo without having to shout whereas Eddie was brilliant as promos.

Eddie gets my vote yet again.

what are you talking about? He rarely shouted throughout his promos early on. He spoke soft mostly and then raised his voice when he needed to. Shouting to get through a promo would be like Giant in 95/96.

Savage here, It's very close. Savage had more of a run on top . He was on top at least 3, maybe 4 times in his career. I see him in a much higher light then I do Eddie when I look back in the history of wrestling.

But again, Eddie is the man. Great promo (his promos were some of the best I've ever seen later in his career) and his workrate was solid all the time.

I don't think he's overated, I just think that he's Hulk Hogan to a lot of the new generation of fans.

[Loose Cannon]

Typical Savage promo albeit one of the shorter ones. He spoke soft, shouted for emphasis and then back to soft again.

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[Kane Knight]

Eddie...Eddie...Eddie...

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hulk Hogan? Please elaborate.

[Loose Cannon]

he's "the man" to all the post attitude fans. Fans that didn't watch wrestling before then. They see him in a god like stature. That's what I'm trying to get at. If you started watching wrestling in 2001/2002 etc... Eddie is of icon status to most of these fans. That's the way I feel anyway.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno about all that, but whatever. MACHO MAN FTW

[KingofOldSchool]

Macho Man had more career defining moments. Like Thrilla pointed out his angle with Jake and Flair in the WWF. Not to mention his mention his HOT feuds with Honky Tonk Man, Steamboat, Hogan, and Warrior. The angle as the Macho King, his relationship with Liz, and the fact that he was WHITE HOT throughout his run in the company.

His time alone in the WWF already beats anything Eddie has accomplished. But then again Eddie is going to win basically on the IWC's love for cruiserweight wrestlers.

[Blue Demon]

It was a very close call for me, but I went with Macho because I have many great memories as a kid of watching him. Mostly nostalgia, but I think he was solid all around as well.

[Kane Knight]

I was never a big fan of Macho Man. Not like I hated him, but he never did it for me. Eddie, on the other hand, was someone I've liked for ages. Face or Heel. It's not so much that I think Macho sucks as it is that I loooove Eddie.

[Lock Jaw]

Eddie once again for me, There are only a few wrestlers who i think i would vote for instead of eddie.

Yeah. Plus I kinda only caught the tail end of Macho Man's career and haven't really made an effort to familiarize myself with his earlier stuff.

[Rammsteinmad]

Eddie Guerrero.

[CSL]

Ahhhh man.

Savage. Just.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Hard decision... Really hard.... Going with Eddie.

[Destor]

Really interesting thread. I appreciate the discusion guys, it's why I make this after all. As usual I repped everyone who posted their reason for voting the way they did. Really enjoyable read. Good points all around. Definitly the hardest vote for me thus far. My first draw here.

[KYR]

Wow. I really can't make up my mind.

Eeny, meeny, miney...

[Chavo Classic]

Eddie. But I wondered how much my decision has been affected by his untimely death

[redoneja]

Randy Savage.

Savage was a hell of a wrestler at a time in the WWF when big men ruled. He consistently put on good matches through the early 90's with a mediocre supporting cast (with the exception of Steamboat, Flair, Dibiase). He carried Warrior to a classic at Mania 7 and was able to make Yokozuna and Crush look much better than they actually were during the '93-'94 period. One of the greatest technicians of that era.

And then he goes to WCW in late 94, early 95. Has a shit time through late '96. And then he (much like Hogan) revitalizes his career in the nWo. Easily had the feud of the year in 1997 with DDP. Not only did this feud show that Savage still had 'it' almost a decade out of his prime. He was able to put DDP on the map during that feud, setting up everything Page would do until his first title win in 1999.

[jerrystupidlawler]

Macho Man. The true "Mr WrestleMania." WM 3 vs Steamboat, WM 4 title win, WM 5 vs Hogan, WM 7 vs Warrior, WM 8 vs Flair...

[Ruien]

Macho Man without a second thought. When voting, I figured everyone was going to be behind Randy. That dude was gold, and kinda like KK said but in reverse for me. For some reason always liked Randy over Hogan when they were teaming, and always hated seeing Hogan with the best, just for the fact I wanted Randy to have it. (I was a toddler back then basically)

[Verbose Minch]

Eddie Guerrero, his silly antics were glorious.

[Destor]

eddie is winning by a lot more than I expected him too. 5 up.

[Heros Welcome]

Going to go with Eddie on this one. Based on the fact that I caught the tail end of Macho while he was in WCW, but I still loved him then, so I could only imagine what my vote would be if I did watch more early/prime Macho. Always loved Eddie, and my votes for him will continue.

[Innovator]

Eddie. Knowing Randy was a control freak and had to plan out spot for spot most of his big matches took away in the end.

Though he did figure out how to get a good match out of Warrior.

[redoneja]

Also, I forgot to mention how well Savage could control the crowd, whether as a face or a heel.

Prior to Mania III, he was hated and reviled by fans for his attack on Steamboat. His heat during this time was incredible. Same with his heel heat leading up his match with Hogan at Mania V.

Savage could also get the crowd behind him like many others couldn't. In '92, he became the sentimental crowd favorite against Flair during their feud, same thing with Elizabeth. Speaking of Elizabeth, let's not forget their reunion after he lost to Warrior at Mania VII. FFS, the cameras broke away to countless women who were sobbing.

Eddie was a great wrestler, but most of the time, he wasn't controlling the emotions of the crowd. Instead, they were just going "OH" "AH" at his moves. Such is the case for his time in Japan, ECW, and WCW. It was only during his WWE run after he won the championship that he really, truly began to emotionally connect with the fans.

[Skippord]

Eddie

because I love Mexicans

[D Mac]

Hard decision... Really hard.... Going with Eddie.

[St. Jimmy]

Macho Man, without question.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

To be honest, I haven't seen enough of Savage to really put him over Eddie. I love Eddie, he was amazing, and I can't vote for someone else over him because of someone else's arguement. Savage may be the big, historical figure, but in the end, I'll go with Eddie. In fact, I think there are very few pre-90's figured who I know/watched enough to

[Loose Cannon]

eddie is winning by a lot more than I expected him too. 5 up.

I actually thought the opposite. I thought Eddie would be up by more to be honest. I kind of figured TPWW is more of an "Attitude Era and beyond" website meaning the popular vote lies within that era.

And actually, I think there's only a handful of guys that can probably take down Eddie on this site.

[BigDaddyCool]

Both wrestlers were excellent in terms of ring ability and both were very believable as face and heel, however Macho Man could not cut a decent promo without having to shout whereas Eddie was brilliant as promos.

Eddie gets my vote yet again.

I voted for Randy Savage because he shouted.

[Afterlife]

I have no 'moments' from Savage. Quite a few from Eddie.

[BigDaddyCool]

Randy Savage is epitome of wrestlers. He would shout and spit and wear flashy colors and go "OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooh yeah." When ever a saturday morning cartoon show would have an epidose where the main character would call wrestling fake, then wrestler that would beat the main character up was always a masked Randy Savage knock off.

[Afterlife]

Yes, but Savage IS a fucking cartoon. He may be tough, but I can't take him seriously -- can you? I'm all about showmanship, but gimme a break; the reason his persona is consistantly replicated in such a fashion is because he's an exaggeration to begin with. His incomprehensible thought process is nearly Walken in nature -- and he sounds like Dr. Claw with a sore throat. Maybe I don't like him because he represents the goofy fucking hyperbole that non-fans use to mock the industry, but if that's the case, so be it. He wasn't a slacker and he did his fair share, but he's also a fucking rubber chicken.

[Kane Knight]

Eddie

because he mowed my lawn

[Testicle]

I want to vote for Eddie but I cant.

Macho Man was a main eventer for a much longer period and had incredible fueds with many top players for nearly 2 decades. Whether flair, warrior, hogan, steamboat, DDP, he had great matches.

I actually think that Eddies death hurts him in this situation, if he were still alive he would be a multi-time champion and would have had many more fueds with todays top guys.

[Kane Knight]

Yes, but Savage IS a fucking cartoon. He may be tough, but I can't take him seriously -- can you? I'm all about showmanship, but gimme a break; the reason his persona is consistantly replicated in such a fashion is because he's an exaggeration to begin with. His incomprehensible thought process is nearly Walken in nature -- and he sounds like Dr. Claw with a sore throat. Maybe I don't like him because he represents the goofy fucking hyperbole that non-fans use to mock the industry, but if that's the case, so be it. He wasn't a slacker and he did his fair share, but he's also a fucking rubber chicken.

Well, a lot of wrestling was cartoony and over the top at the time.

Of course, the fact that he really didn't change with the times might diminish that, but still.

[KingofOldSchool]

Maybe I don't like him because he represents the goofy fucking hyperbole that non-fans use to mock the industry, but if that's the case, so be it.

Yeah cause non fans NEVER bring up wrestler's drug problems or anything like that when talking down about wrestling, which obviously Eddie is a prime poster boy for..

[BigDaddyCool]

Yes, but Savage IS a fucking cartoon. He may be tough, but I can't take him seriously -- can you? I'm all about showmanship, but gimme a break; the reason his persona is consistantly replicated in such a fashion is because he's an exaggeration to begin with. His incomprehensible thought process is nearly Walken in nature -- and he sounds like Dr. Claw with a sore throat. Maybe I don't like him because he represents the goofy fucking hyperbole that non-fans use to mock the industry, but if that's the case, so be it. He wasn't a slacker and he did his fair share, but he's also a fucking rubber chicken.

He still is a big fucking dude. I can take him seriously, "dig it?"

[Porcupine]

Perhaps I'm indecisive, but Ive though for a while and I cant pick one over the other so I'm going with Draw again.

[Afterlife]

Wow, quoted thrice in a row. A new record. :lol:

Yes, Wrestling does get over the top now and then, you're absolutely right. But, showme one time when he wasn't an exaggeration of a normal person. It's just the way he is.

And yes, he's still a bigt, strong man. And no, unlike Savage, himself, I'm not one to walk up to anybobdy, regardless of their level of ability to kick my ass, and instigate a physical confrontation.

Yeah cause non fans NEVER bring up wrestler's drug problems or anything like that when talking down about wrestling, which obviously Eddie is a prime poster boy for..

As for this? Way to miss the boat, Jack.

[Anybody Thrilla]

How old are the lot of you? You don't remember the freakin' Macho Man?

[Destor]

With 24 hours to go I gotta say I don't see this changing much. If anyone want me to "close" this and move on to the next round say so. If enough people say so them I'll do it.

[Afterlife]

Feel free.

[Destor]

well that's one.

[Londoner]

Yeh might aswell close it.

[BigDaddyCool]

Give the win to Macho Man.

[weather vane]

Macho Man, baby. Firstly, I think Eddie's seriously overrated by a lot of you here. Secondly, it's the fucking Macho Man. Maybe I'm voting based on nostalgia, but he was involved in some of my favorite feuds and matches of all time (Hogan, Flair, Warrior, etc.). I love Randy Savage.