Better Wrestler #12

[Destor]

This is it for Eddie Guerrero. If he wins here he will be the first man inducted into the Better Wrestler Hall of Fame. But he's going to have to earn it. He will square off against one of the all time greats of the sport to prove his worth. Will he advance and become our first inductee? Or wil we crown a new champion? Today's match:


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VS
http://blogs.chron.com/motorsports/Stone%20Cold.jpg

How will this one end? We'll find out in three days.

History:

RVD vs CM Punk (24-19-2)
RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)
RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23-1)
Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5-1)
Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23-3)
Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)
Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14-2)
Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23-13)
Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7-3)
Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19-3)
Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)

[Destor]

I'll have to think awhile on this one...

[Londoner]

So will I, not totally sure yet..i love eddie but tempted to go with austin due to him achieving more for the business overall than eddie. Yeah, gonna have to go with austin on this one for that reason mainly.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I used to mark out so hard for Stone Cold when he first became "Stone Cold" and during that whole feud with McMahon. I even liked him as "Stunning" Steve Austin, and his ECW stuff was pretty good too. I never really marked for Eddie. Ever. I liked him, but he didn't grip me the way Austin did.

[Loose Cannon]

lol, too funny

probably 1 of 3 guys on here that can possibly beat Guerrero.

[Outsider]

Austin was mediocre at best in the ring.

[Porcupine]

My vote goes for Eddie.

I'm one of the very very few people who absolutely hated Austin during the height of his popularity. His redneck badass character never appealed to me, neither did his overcome the boss/odds angles during his feud with Vince. Heck, what people complain about Cena nowdays is pretty much what I felt about Austin back in the height of his popularity. I never saw much of his WCW run, so I can't judge that. The only time I could honestly say I liked Austin's work was in his short heel run with the alliance...but even then, the WHAT chant made him an annoyance after a while. Sorry, he just never did it for me and I never got into his character...I also thought he was way too one dimensional with his badass character as well.

Eddie on the other hand, I loved for his heel work and his cruiser stuff that I saw in wCw, but I thought he was brilliant in his heel runs in the WWE. Didnt like Eddie as a face, but even then, he never came to be as annoying as Austin was to me during the height of his popularity. Also, I enjoyed Eddie's in-ring work much more then the majority of Austin's that I saw. Perhaps its because Austin's character annoyed me so much or maybe its because his in ring work didnt appeal to me as much again.

So anyways, my vote goes for Eddie although I doubt he has a chance against the ever popular Austin. Heck, I doubt anyone has a chance against Austin.

[Heros Welcome]

AHH Dest you did keep your word. This is one of the 2 men I would vote against Eddie.

I have to go Austin. He is in my eyes the greatest thing, next to HBK, to have happened for the E. The persona was great, the feuds with McMahon, Rock, Trips..loved them all. I wouldn't argue that Austin was a better wrestler hold for hold than Eddie, but I just think Austin brought so much more to the table.

Sorry Eddie, Vote goes to 3:16.

[Destor]

lol, too funny

probably 1 of 3 guys on here that can possibly beat Guerrero.The idea is the cometition gets harder every round. Meaning that the 5th match be REALY tough. Now obviously that wont be the case everytime because my veiw of a wreslter will vary from TPWWs veiw of one from time to time causing a blow out. But if anyone is going to get into the HoF they should have to earn it.

And if Eddie beats Steve Autin he will have.

[thedamndest]

Austin. Wrestling-wise never the same after his neck injury, but that didn't matter. He was never supposed to go out there and be performing and Asai moonsault into the third row. He was the attitude era.

[Kane Knight]

Austin was probably the biggest thing to happen to wrestling.

[Lock Jaw]

I vote for Eddie, because I never really cared for Austin. He insisted upon himself.

[Inadequacy]

I've always enjoyed Eddie. and since my only experience with Austin is post-attitude era, I just find him annoying.

[Destor]

This has been really tough for me. But the more I think about it the more I realize that it's tough due to personal bias. Eddie was great in the ring, he put together some of the finest matches ever seen. But Steve Austin got the crowds hotter then Eddie ever dreamed of doing the little he did. Eddie had a longer run than Austin; but Austin put more buts in the seats in his short run on top than Eddie did his entire career. Steve austin was more succesful in short period than Eddie was in his entire run and it would be bogus of me to put Eddie over Austin. as much as I want Eddie to go into the HoF, I just can't vote for him.

[Porcupine]

This has been really tough for me. But the more I think about it the more I realize that it's tough due to personal bias. Eddie was great in the ring, he put together some of the finest matches ever seen. But Steve Austin got the crowds hotter then Eddie ever dreamed of doing the little he did. Eddie had a longer run than Austin; but Austin put more buts in the seats in his short run on top than Eddie did his entire career. Steve austin was more succesful in short period than Eddie was in his entire run and it would be bogus of me to put Eddie over Austin. as much as I want Eddie to go into the HoF, I just can't vote for him.

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/stonecold/443/savage.jpg

"Oooh Yeah, thats what he gets for winning against the Maaacho man, yeah dig it!"

[Anybody Thrilla]

Austin's career wasn't really that short, though.

[Destor]

His run on top was.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hollywood Blondes, sucka.

[Anybody Thrilla]

He had a nice U.S. title run in WCW too. Or TV title. Or something. Who cares, Austin FTW.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Eddie's run on "top" wasn't that long, either.

[Anybody Thrilla]

2004-2005

[Destor]

Eddie never realy had a run on top.

[weather vane]

The idea is the cometition gets harder every round. Meaning that the 5th match be REALY tough. Now obviously that wont be the case everytime because my veiw of a wreslter will vary from TPWWs veiw of one from time to time causing a blow out. But if anyone is going to get into the HoF they should have to earn it.

And if Eddie beats Steve Autin he will have.

[Destor]

whats your point?

[Kenny]

If you mean better "wrestler" then it's Eddie Guerrero hands down. Think of his matches with Rey Mysterio in WCW, or Dean Malenko in ECW. Even before the neck injury Stone Cold couldn't touch that.

[Destor]

Wrestler is a job title and has as much to with in ring as any other criteria. Wrestlers have to talk just as much as they have to work a match.

[Kane Knight]

Eddie's getting murdered here.

[Destor]

It's still early but yeah, he's getting creamed.

[The Heenan Family]

Come on Seriously. One man revolutionized a dying product.

[Ruien]

I couldn't decide, they are both great. As good as they were, I did not really enjoy seeing them on my tv. Granted no channel turning was done, just that the connection was off. So 2 great workers that were good at pretty much good at everything that I did not feel get a draw.

[Destor]

Come on Seriously. One man revolutionized a dying product.You're giving Steve Austin way too much credit here.

[Testicle]

I called it a draw.

Eddie was so much better in the ring, I just have never been big on Austin's work, he could really get a crowd into his matches though.

Plus Austin did cut some very good promos whether in ECW or WWF. Of course, the angles with Vince were terrific, but how much of that credit can be given to steve, most of that is done by the writers, Im sure Eddie could have been in some great angles to if the writers would have given him that kind of material.

Austin > Eddie oustide the ring
Eddie > Austin inside the ring

=Draw

[Testicle]

Wrestler is a job title and has as much to with in ring as any other criteria. Wrestlers have to talk just as much as they have to work a match.


Thats not exactly true nowadays, wrestlers dont talk as much as they used to, plus now all of their stuff is written and they dont have to be creative.

[Destor]

Wrestlers talk more now than ever.

And I never said anything about making their own material. (Even though that isn't relevent.)

[Testicle]

You said that it was just as important as the in ring work.

How can it be important if its all made for you? How does that reflect the ability of the wrestler at all?

[Testicle]

The guys on top talk more than ever, the midcarders never get to talk like they used to.

[Destor]

Delivering lines is what MADE The Rock. you think he cme up with all that? No. You think his in-ring work put him over? Obviously not with the fans turning on him in '97. and it's not really about importance as much as I'm saying there's more to being a good wrestler than putting on good matches (unfortunatly.)

[Destor]

The guys on top talk more than ever, the midcarders never get to talk like they used to.
And mid-carders will never see the main event without the ability to talk. Or being 7'12".

[Testicle]

Delivering lines is what MADE The Rock.

Great point.


I just feel that promos have taken a step back in the last few years, and that they dont mean as much as they used to.

[Destor]

To be fair, what in wrestling does have the same impact that it used to? It's so genralized with them trying to a product for everyone that they end up having a product for no one.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Austin should get the vote based on impact alone.

But I can't do it. I love Austin. Specifically, I love pre-neck injury Austin. Stunning Steve, even better. Post neck problems though, while he was amazing on the mic, he was lacking in the ring IMO. Yeah, he's a great brawler, but to be honest, he bored the hell out of me in the ring. I just wasn't into the style. Hell, to this day I'm not into that style, and whenever I see a wrestler who fights with that same style, I'm usually bored by it.

Eddie, while he didn't have even close to the same impact (except in his death), represented everything I love about wrestling. He was great out of the ring, but in the ring, he was superb. Austin represents the the entertainment side of wrestling, as does Eddie. However, I think Eddie represents the actual art of wrestling better than Austin ever could.

[Loose Cannon]

never gave my argument, but Austin by a lot here.

To me, Guerrero never entered that Greatness club with the likes of Hogan, Austin, HBK, Hart, HHH, Rock, Taker, Flair, Andre etc... These are the guys I consider the best of the best. Below this group I would put Guerrero, Benoit, Hennig, Rude, Angle, Blanchard, Steamboat etc...

anyway, got off track, but

Austin is arguably the greatest draw of all-time. I would argue he's not, but that's a different argument. Austin did had more of a run on top that went from 1998 into 2001 (6 time champion). No, Austin was not the only savior of wrestling in the late 90's, but he played a major role in turning atound the company. Austin and Guerrero both get points from me for climbing the ladder. Wrestling in tags, to mid card, to world title matches. As far as talking goes, it's close as they both could play and talk different roles, whether it be serious, asshole, comedy, coward etc...

The whole wrestling argument I hate because it all depends on the style you like. Austin was an awesome "wrestler" when h was in WCW. He was an awesome brawler/entertainer in WWF. He put on a great show everyime he went out there. He had the crowd in the palm of his hands in WWE.

Guerrero was an awesome high fyler/crusier style in WCW. In WWF, you started to see him to everything. He wrestled crusier, he wrestled technical, he wrestled heavyweight, he brawled. Great diversity.

All in all, Guerrero was great, but Austin is of legendary status. He brought in a lot of that casual fan market. This may not say anything to you guys on here, but my fiancee hates wrestling. She despises it. But she knows 4 wrestlers by name. The last one I think is because she occasionally will sit and watch with me today.

Those names are Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin and John Cena

[Kane Knight]

Come on Seriously. One man revolutionized a dying product.

No, a lot of people revolutionised a dying product. Austin was in many ways the culmination of that, but he was in no way the only factor.

However, he does define the era, and he was certainly the figurehead of it.

[CSL]

Steve Austin. In the ring, Eddie gets it (but Austin was no slouch, far from it) because he is top notch but Austin wins in every other department. Top 5 of all time.

[D Mac]

Went with Austin.

[KYR]

As much as I wanted Eddie for the HOF I can't vote for him ahead of SCSA.

I loved Eddie's in-ring work. Later in his career, I loved his promo's and vignettes. He had a natural comedic side to him (remember how he used to throw the belt at his opponent and lie down pretending to have received a cheap-shot) and the live crowds naturally were drawn to him. I remember seeing him live here in Australia in a match against Angle and the two of them stole the show and had the crowd in the palms of their hands.

But how can you deny Austin's rightful place in the HOF. The guy was ONE of the key elements of the attitude era. Some might say he was instrumental in starting it. He had the crowds, he delivered every time he walked out either to wrestle or in promos. He came to fore during a difficult time for the WWE in their war against WCW.

It's a coin toss but 9 times out of 10 it'll come up in Austin's favour.

[The Optimist]

Hilarious. I guess this shows how weird I am. I voted for Page over Eddie and almost Savage over Eddie, but Eddie over Austin.

[Jeritron]

Stone Cold easily here. No slight to Eddie, but I voted for Jericho over Eddie, and I would still vote for Austin over Jericho.

Aside from Flair and HBK, Austin is tops for me all around.

[Destor]

*HBM

[Jeritron]

My mistake

[Legend Killer]

Austin all the way. Eddie can't lie, cheat, or still his way out of this one.

[Jeritron]

That was one of the most mark comments I've ever heard. And I don't mean that as an insult, it was just funny.

[El Fangel]

Sorry Eddie :'(

[BigDaddyCool]

I voted for SCSA mostly because I don't like Eddie.

[Rammsteinmad]

Eddie Guerrero.

Austin was awesome back in the day, but he was never my favourite. Even in 1999 when Austin was the hottest thing in the world, I woulda chose to watch an Eddie match any day.

[Mister Sinister]

Eddie.

Austin antics just left a sour taste in my mouth, from his taking his ball and going home, To stunning everyone regardless of the fact, He can't go in the ring anymore.

I mean on drawing and Overness, It's Austin, he would win that hands down.

Eddie on the other hand, had amazing ammount of Talent, Austin had good talent, but was nowhere near Eddie level in terms of pure skill.

[Jeritron]

Eddie took his ball and went home, and he can't go anymore

[Good Ol JG]

Some of this is crazy to me. Austin NOT a great worker? Eddie was levels above Austin as a wrestler? Are you kidding? Eddie Guerrero was a great wrestler, hands down, no questions asked. He was one of the best wrestlers over the last 10 years or so, without question. But Austin is one of the 5 most influential wrestlers of all time. Let's take the merchandise selling and promos out of it for a minute, the man could wrestle circles around pretty much everybody. Take a look at his matches with Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Ricky Steamboat, Mick Foley, Brian Pillman, Undertaker, I could go on forever. Austin was a wrestling machine who could go with anybody and put on a good match. Look at some of his ECW work with Mikey Whipwreck and the Sandman. Look at the work he did with Vince. If it wasn't for the fact that he broke his neck, he would've probably still been on top today and in a few years we would be asking if he was the greatest of all time, not Ric Flair.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Austin was a shell of his former self after his neck injury. To put him in the same league as Eddie wrestling wise, post injury, is crazy. He was a good brawler, and could have a good match, but he wasn't putting on anything I'd consider a wrestling classic. Plus, most of Austin's later matches, honestly, all seem the same to me.

[Jeritron]

Thats not true, for example, his matches with Angle were far different than his brawls with Foley, and so on. They were both 5 or nearly 5 star matches

[Loose Cannon]

like I said before, it's tough debating who's had the better matches because that's all in the eye of the beholder