Batista versus Shawn Michaels

[Fox]

So, I don't know how many of you caught the confrontation between HBM and Batista on Smackdown, but it was pretty awesome.

Basically, Shawn came out and said that after hugging Flair on RAW he felt he had gained some closure. Batista comes out and says that HBM let his ego get in the way of his friendship with Flair, and he made the wrong decision at WrestleMania.

The video is up on WWE.com. Frankly, I hope this leads to A) a full-on Batista heel turn, and B) a series of matches between Michaels and Batista. Shawn has always had great contests against big men, and I think that this storyline with Batista trying to "stand up" for his fallen mentor and HBM fighting for what he believes was the right thing could make for some good promos.

Thoughts?

[BigDaddyCool]

It could be good because it has Shawn. It could be bad because it has Batista.

[Londoner]

Yeah i saw that, great promo and good to see hbk on smackdown. Will be looking forward to this feud as the matches should be pretty good.

[Fox]

Shawn pulled some good matches out of Diesel. Batista is very Diesel-esque, wouldn't you agree, BDC?

[McLegend]

Batista is as good as the one he is the ring with. So this feud will work.

[Savio]

Why are you calling him HBM?

[Mister Sinister]

Because he's the Heart Break Man.

[BigDaddyCool]

*slaps Fox* Nash and Bats are worlds apart. Besides powerbombs, the 2 have nothing in common, and their powerbombs aren't even similar.

That being said, if anyone can get a good match or 3 from Bats, it will be HBM.

[Fabien Barthez]

I like how it was sort of breaking out of kayfabe. I mean, 'kayfabe' as it once was died when the internet got big surely. And Shawn in a shoot-esque storyline will salivate the IWC in theory....

[Savio]

Because he's the Heart Break Man.
when did he change from HBK?

[McLegend]

It's a new Tpww thing.

[Jura]

I also am introducing my own thing. HBD, Heart Break Dude.

[thedamndest]

True story, IRL I call him Heart Break Old Man.

[thedamndest]

Did he get the Chavo hair thing done? His balding isn't as prominent now.

[NYDon]

Batista has been the best thing on Smackdown for 2-3 years, hands down

Heart Break King will surely have some classics with Big Dave

[Jura]

Heart Broke Mountain

[Mr. Nerfect]

Batista as a heel is something I want to see. He was initially so cool as a babyface because he wasn't a good guy. He was a suave anti-hero that was fighting the bad guys, and was just two steps ahead of them at all times. I want that Dave back. Complete with dancing.

Batista, when motivated, is pretty solid in the ring. He has had good matches with Triple H, Finlay, Kane, The Undertaker, Mr. Kennedy and MVP. I'm fairly certain he can work some good ones with Shawn Michaels. A move to RAW, a chance to step up as a major heel, and a chance to cut some emotional promos should hopefully be all the motivation Batista needs to put his best foot forward. HBK can do wonders with that.

[The Optimist]

I watched it, it was pretty cool. It looked like Batista was using emotion to fuel that promo, which is good, it was one of his best in many months. I'm looking forward to this.

[Fabien Barthez]

I thought Big Dave was less than average in the promo to really get the fued started on Raw. He was never going to come off looking too great with HBM and Jericho in the same segment, but he was ok at best, regardless.

[Afterlife]

This seems like it might get really redundant, though. Thankfull on Raw, Shawn actually said "I'm tired of goin' in circles with you". The cycle of "I did the right thing" / "No, you didn't" is starting to sound like a broken record. Hopefully we can move it past Ric Flair and make it about Batista's Pride being bruised over never getting a real match with Flair and feeling that he's a greater force than HBM. Otherwise, we'll be grinding this thing into the ground in no time.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah, the door was opened to play on the 'Batista isn't a TRUE top dog in the company' angle.... They will probably make it about Flair though.

I can't think about Ric right now, without hearing that stupid, fake emotioned song they keep playing.

In My Memoryyyyyyyyyyyyy....

Here's to that song.. :foc:

[RP]

Stop calling him HBM or i'll ban you. Thats the dumbest thing i've read all year. Stop it.

[Good Ol JG]

Could be a good feud. Shawn can make a bag of shit look good, so he won't have a problem with Batista, who is a box of shit himself. The promos have been good, the matches will be solid. I'm for it. Better than pretty much everything else they're doin.

[Mister Sinister]

Stop calling him HBM or i'll ban you. Thats the dumbest thing i've read all year. Stop it.

Have you read some of your own posts?

[Kane Knight]

It could be good because it has Shawn. It could be bad because it has Batista.

[Kalyx triaD]

This angle makes Batista look like a hoe. The HBK/Flair clearly stated how Flair wanted Shawn at his best and now Batista's being a bitch because Shawn didn't job to him (ironic kayfabe paradox)?

[Rammsteinmad]

(ironic kayfabe paradox)?

Reading that gave me a headache. :$

[TerranRich]

Leave the kayfaaaabe alooooooooone... ♪ ♫ ♪

[DarKCentaur]

If anything, this feud will give us some good ring entrances.

[The Optimist]

This angle makes Batista look like a hoe. The HBK/Flair clearly stated how Flair wanted Shawn at his best and now Batista's being a bitch because Shawn didn't job to him (ironic kayfabe paradox)?
Ric Flair also said he'd never retire. So . . . yeah.

[Afterlife]

Batista also, apparently, missed the part where Flair said "don't be sad -- I'm not sad," and decided that he had to avenge his fallen friend. That's another thing: Batista acts like Flair is dead. That baffles me. "I'll never ever see my friend again." Everytime he cries like that, I want him to say, "Unless, of course, I visit him, so I can stop crying like a bitch about a non-issue."

[Fabien Barthez]

Leave the kayfaaaabe alooooooooone... ♪ ♫ ♪

Don't chaaaange a thinggg....♪ ♫ ♪


YOU'LL NEVER CHANGE!

YOU'LL NEVER CHANGE!

YOU - WILL - NEV - ER - CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGE!!

[Kane Knight]

I'm just happy people realised it was actually a song instead of assuming it was a "leave Brittney Alone" parody.

[TerranRich]

I'm just happy people realised it was actually a song instead of assuming it was a "leave Brittney Alone" parody.

HTML musical notes help differentiate that fact.

Try typing ♩ through &#9839: ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯

[Mr. Nerfect]

Could be a good feud. Shawn can make a bag of shit look good, so he won't have a problem with Batista, who is a box of shit himself. The promos have been good, the matches will be solid. I'm for it. Better than pretty much everything else they're doin.

Hang on, wouldn't it be harder to carry a box of shit than a bag of shit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Batista also, apparently, missed the part where Flair said "don't be sad -- I'm not sad," and decided that he had to avenge his fallen friend. That's another thing: Batista acts like Flair is dead. That baffles me. "I'll never ever see my friend again." Everytime he cries like that, I want him to say, "Unless, of course, I visit him, so I can stop crying like a bitch about a non-issue."

Ric Flair may not be sad, but when a person passes away, we generally mourn. Ric Flair is still alive and well, but his career is over, and no matter what Flair says, some will of course still feel some loss in that.

I agree that they need to expand the angle outwards, though. Move it past Flair and directly into an HBK/Batista issue.

[TerranRich]

Hang on, wouldn't it be harder to carry a box of shit than a bag of shit?

He's a dumpster of shit then.

[Indifferent Clox]

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[TerranRich]

Isn't the UTF extended character set amazing?

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[HTrain90]

So I turned on to SD! tonight to see how they were gonna build this feud. It was going great.

HBK: This isn't about Ric, is it? You've got a problem with me.
DAVE: Hell yeah I got a problem with you.

This is where the shit went straight downhill. For all the angles and spins they could have put on this, from HBK being a joke main eventer (hasn't held the strap since 2002, I think?), or Bats feeling like he isn't respected, or ANYTHING else the resident geniuses can muster, they come up with that Bats is not happy with how HBK got to the top. Stepping on people on his way, screwing people over, etc.

Wait, are we basing this storyline on stuff that happened in 1995? Really? REALLY?

That was thirteen fucking years ago. I can't believe that is the BEST storyline they came up with. It makes Bats look like a whiny bitch. What the hell was he doing in 1995, anyways? The idea that HBK is a terrible human being isn't going to work - his renewed faith has been publicized ad nauseam. But I guess this is the easiest way for Bats to go heel, which is a good thing.

Sorry to vent. I guess this is WWE at its finest - taking a potentially great, long program and putting it on life support with shitty booking like this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can sort of understand what the WWE is doing, though. Using Ric Flair to plant the seeds is the most effective way to kick things off. The program should definitely evolve past it, though. I think Batista's current point isn't that Shawn Michaels doesn't claim to be changed, but that he never did change, and is lying about it, because his shit has caught up to him in the past.

The World Championship thing is a very good idea for inclusion within the feud.

[Juan]

So I turned on to SD! tonight to see how they were gonna build this feud. It was going great.

HBK: This isn't about Ric, is it? You've got a problem with me.
DAVE: Hell yeah I got a problem with you.

This is where the shit went straight downhill. For all the angles and spins they could have put on this, from HBK being a joke main eventer (hasn't held the strap since 2002, I think?), or Bats feeling like he isn't respected, or ANYTHING else the resident geniuses can muster, they come up with that Bats is not happy with how HBK got to the top. Stepping on people on his way, screwing people over, etc.

Wait, are we basing this storyline on stuff that happened in 1995? Really? REALLY?

That was thirteen fucking years ago. I can't believe that is the BEST storyline they came up with. It makes Bats look like a whiny bitch. What the hell was he doing in 1995, anyways? The idea that HBK is a terrible human being isn't going to work - his renewed faith has been publicized ad nauseam. But I guess this is the easiest way for Bats to go heel, which is a good thing.

Sorry to vent. I guess this is WWE at its finest - taking a potentially great, long program and putting it on life support with shitty booking like this.

Very good points.