Know what I don't like

[Jeritron]

..when steel cage matches sanction, or especially when they use, pinfalls and submissions for victory. Kinda defeats the purpose. Why not just have the escape through the door or over the top rule.
Furthermore, I don't really like when the door is opened by the ref. It should be kept latched, or even locked

What do you think?

[Destor]

Hate over the top only cage matches. You win by running away from your oppoent..great for a heel...except cage matches were designed to lock a chicken shit heel in. A guy whose been running away for months get to win by...running away. Cage matches are supposed to lock the two guys IN. So it comes down to man on man. no excuses. It should always (with a few exception for the sake of drama) come down to pinfall or submission. Everytime I see a baby go over by "escaping" I laugh quitely to myself.

[Destor]

Not to mention it's anti-climatic as fuck.

[Destor]

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[GD]

Well there have been a lot of modifications in all types of wwe stipulation matches like having weapons inside the elimination chamber, you can pin your opponents in a bullrope match and not to mention the cruiserweight open.

[Jeritron]

well for the no escape thing, I agree. But Hell in a Cell has in many ways replaced that. I just see the regular cage as pointless in a lot of matches where they just wrestle and pin eachother, without using the cage at all. Ie, the latest Angle vs Joe match

[Destor]

Yeah but not every company has a hell in the cell...

[Jeritron]

Throw a roof on that bitch. The "no escape" thing has become so pointless anyways, since the door is opened by the ref for them and in most cases run ins occur and what not.
I like the use of a cage to settle a fued in the ring, but since it doesn't work and can be accomplished better now, I see it as a wasted match. Doing the escape thing at least gives it dynamic. The use of an escape only cage match can be used to throw fuel on the fire of a fued. It definitely doesn't make for a fued ender that way. But since it's a common match and no longer much of a draw, it's best used to complicate things rather than end them.
I agree with you about the 'no escape' thing. But this is only best when it's a fued ender, which a basic cage match no longer represents. For the general audience, it just doesn't pack the excitement

[Destor]

In no escape matches the door isn't opend.

Anyway cage matches still have their effect, just not to the WWE audience. The wrestling world is a lot larger than the WWF...

[Jeritron]

I think that's why you don't even see cage matches anymore. They're not good enough for ppv or to settle a fued anymore, and they aren't on tv because even in that medium they've been exploited and aren't very exciting.
It used to be so that they were a big draw on ppv, then after that began to wear off they were big draws for tv. For a while, when a show would go on air and you'd see the cage it'd be exciting and it'd be used for a big tv match (usually for leverage in the Monday night wars)
Now, it's just mehh.

Of course, TNA responds to this by booking a ppv consisting entirely of them

[The Mackem]

I'm not a big fan of escape through a door. Seriously, there's a great big cage and the match is won by going through a door? Seems like a waste.

[Destor]

Yeah, it's the nature of the gimmick matches though. Once you start topping them you have to keep going and going until it just gets ludicris...*Elimination Chamber*

There was nothing wrong with a cage but to try and drawing viewers they keep creating new things, and thats not wrestling , thats a circus. You don't care about the circus, you go to see what they're going to do next. With wrestling you're supposed to care about the performers, and once you go into HiaC or EC territory alls you get is people wanting to see what crazy shit they'll do next. And that is the exact same interest people have in Backyard wrestling or CZW. It's garbage.

[Jeritron]

Hell in a Cell is fine with me. I just see it as a replacement of the initial cage. It's a lot more logical to have a padlocked door and a roof on a cage to settle a fued.

Of course, we had seen the roofed cage before that, but it never clicked on that level. It was more of an improvement and a freshening to make it more epic and interesting to the fans, rather than a bastardization.

But I agree, the improvement should stop there. Anything further is insanely stupid. IE, the triple cage or electric cages or the kennel from hell and what not.

[Jeritron]

BTW, the elimination chamber is technically a cage match, yes, but I see it as it's own gimmick match and a great one at that. Once again though, it serves a different purpose from a cage match or any of the bells and whistles added to a cage match. Where other cage matches are the basic idea taken and overdone, this one seems to be it's own creation. Like WarGames, it's in a cage but it's a completely different match type.
For that, it has a place in it's own right.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'd like to say two things.

A. I Agree with Destor 100%.
B. Everyone should watch the BJ Whitmer Vs Jimmy Jacobs cage match.

[Kane Knight]

Through the door is a retarded way to win.

Pinfall and submission are far better by comparison.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with Destor and WWKD. Escaping over the top just seems a bit anti-climatic. Cage matches really have two purposes: to keep people in, and to keep people out. Going inside to out, and outside to in, for official competitors in the match, sort of defies its very nature.

Going through the door could only really be good in a "bad ass mauls his opponent and then casually walks away" scenario, which I actually wouldn't mind to see. I'd like to think of that more as a "mercy rule," though. That being said, however, you might as well then just pin the guy, or have the referee award the dominating wrestler the win, anyhow, and get the same visual.

In other words: going through the door is a pretty pointless stipulation.

I think Steel Cage Matches lost their luster when they became attractions for RAW, just randomly thrown together, instead of the final full stop in a wrestling paragraph. The Steel Cage as an end to blood feuds is a lost art in the WWE. At least ROH still has it straight. Say what you want about them, but they very rarely misuse the concept of a cage.

[Destor]

I agree with Destor.

[Destor]

WWKD and Noid are on to something too. But let's not harp on those guys.

[BigDaddyCool]

I miss the blue steel cage. :(

[Rammsteinmad]

Dunno if it's got anything to do with this conversation (I skipped through it quickly), but I just wanted to say that in my opinion the cage match between JBL and Big Show at No Way Out had an awesome finish. Which was a nice change from a lot of the cage match finishes we've had lately.

[Stickman]

Tag Team Cage matches are stupid.

[Destor]

Based on what?

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I really wish Magnum T.A. had a longer career than he did. :(

[McLegend]

I like over the tope and threw the door cage matches. I also like when it's pinfall and submission. I hate though when they combine the two.

It just doesn't work for me. It's gotta be one or the other.

[My Final Heaven]

You know what I want to see? A Royal Punjabi Prison Rumble. Chuck dudes over the top or through the cage to win, and I'm sure we would see a couple of impalements along the way. :D

Also, Magnum/Tully was epic.

[RVDmark]

I miss the blue steel cage. :(

The last time I went to a show in the UK (about 3 years ago) they still use it over here at house shows.

[Skull316]

In my opinion, the more recent Jeff Hardy/Umaga cage match was probably the first proper utilization of a normal cage in a long time. That match actually had an exciting feel to it.

[Dorkchop]

I don't mind pinfalls or submissions in steel cage matches. Walking out the door is pretty fucking stupid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In my opinion, the more recent Jeff Hardy/Umaga cage match was probably the first proper utilization of a normal cage in a long time. That match actually had an exciting feel to it.

I agree with this. Before this, I was not on the Jeff Hardy bandwagon. Then this happened, and I was legitimately marking out for the lesser Hardy. Then he did that Swanton Bomb the following week. But yeah, the ending for this was actually really well down, and was the best usage of the escape and pin rules I can remember.

-Randy Orton promised Jeff Hardy his momentum would end.
-Jeff Hardy was going to climb over, but Orton was waiting for Hardy on the floor.
-Hardy spins and flips forward back into the ring for an epic Whisper in the Wind and completely called Orton's bluff and raised.

It was pretty incredible stuff.

[thedamndest]

One of the worst cage matches I have ever seen was Yokozuna (c) v. Bret Hart in some kind of Coliseum Home Video exclusive. Now obviously, there is no way in fuck Yoko is going over the top. Somehow the salt bucket comes in and Bret uses it on Yoko, but instead of going out the door he climbs up and over. And in the that time, Yoko just wakes up and crawls out right before Bret hits. Who the fuck would think Yoko in a cage would = ratings?

[jindrak]

I hate the escape through the door stipulation. I'd rather it be pinfall, submission, or escape through top of cage.