NFL is a game for little girls, real men play Rugby

[Renaissance man]

Anytime someone gets tackled everyone just stops and hugs and shit like that and the tackles made are so weak!. Rugby is a man's game not this fairy tickling contest you americans call a sport

[Londoner]

Agreed.

[Ogen]

Now lets see this just fall away with no more comments on it please it'll be for the best.

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

I love how foreigners can spend all day talking about how Americans are blood thirsty, warmongering, uncultured Neanderthals, but if we try to protect people who are playing a game we're considered little girls.

As one of the very few people on this board who have competitively played both rugby and American football, I can assure you that rugby is not a tougher sport and the tackling is not harder.

For starters, there is no blocking in rugby, which means if you're not directly involved in the action you're not going to get hit. With football, regardless of your involvement in the action, you're going to get hit in some form on every play. Blocking also means more blindside hitting which causes for awkward collisions and dangerous landing positions which without pads could lead to serious injury. Since we're only playing a game, why would we want to try to hurt each other?

In addition, the rules for tackling in football are much more ambiguous than in rugby. Rugby tackling requires you to wrap your opponent and actually tackle him. In football, you can do pretty much everything besides punching and kicking your opponent to tackle him. Again this leads to a greater chance of head and neck trauma and if measures can be taken to assure that people can play this game and have fun while being kept safe, why wouldn't you take them?

I don't understand why foreigners are so obsessed with proving rugby is a tougher game. They're not the same sport and they have drastically different rules and circumstances. You're free to have your ignorant opinions and nobody can stop you but I really think you'd all benefit from doing a bit of research and experiencing both football and rugby for what they are: games.

[WestNZ]

I think in some ways NFL is a sissy sport, play for 8 secs then take a 30 sec breather. But to say the tackles in NFL are weak, well, you must be watching the wrong games dude. The tackles that NFL players would knock the head off of some players from rugby.

[Bad Company]

Supreme is in the right direction, both are very tough sports. Although him playing rugby in America is like playing Soccer in NZ. The competition is gonna be shit, so it's hard to compare.

You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.

But realistically, getting hit by one of those fatties in football is gonna fucken hurt, it's all they have to do, so you know they're gonna do it right.

All in all, they are different games, and each are tough in their own aspects. I'm also sure that you would struggle to find alot of players from either sport that could cross over to the other and be successful. They are that different.

[Downunder]

Now lets see this just fall away with no more comments on it please it'll be for the best.

Someone always bites

[D Mac]

Both are cool.

[Renaissance man]

Someone always bites


Just fishing here. here fishy fishy

[Hanso Amore]

And English People have horrible teeth.


The Aussies have nothing else to do but beat the shit out of each other....Well, other than save their babies from Dingos.


NFL is brutal physically, takes more skills, NFL players are far superior athletes to Rugby players, Adding pads only allows harder hits/harder objects hitting you (try taking a Helmet to the stomach Dundee)

Say what you will, but at the end of the day, the NFL makes billions of dollars with hundreds of millions of fans.

While Rugby players are the Nick Mondo's of pro sports.





Flame on

[Renaissance man]

And English People have horrible teeth.


The Aussies have nothing else to do but beat the shit out of each other....Well, other than save their babies from Dingos.


NFL is brutal physically, takes more skills, NFL players are far superior athletes to Rugby players, Adding pads only allows harder hits/harder objects hitting you (try taking a Helmet to the stomach Dundee)

Say what you will, but at the end of the day, the NFL makes billions of dollars with hundreds of millions of fans.

While Rugby players are the Nick Mondo's of pro sports.





Flame on


So you mean taking rest stops and allowing the other masses of grunts to run around like idiots is athletic? okaaaay. props to the dig at the poms and the oz.

[D Mac]

Well in soccer they run around like idiots.

Idiot

[Kris P Lettus]

American Football is a game a strategy.. The "rest stops" are to set up that strategy.. You'd know that if you actually studied what you are trying to insult as opposed to talking out of your ass..

[ct2k]

Supreme is in the right direction, both are very tough sports. Although him playing rugby in America is like playing Soccer in NZ. The competition is gonna be shit, so it's hard to compare.

You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.




I disagree, I've watched both sports and I think both have some players who are incredibly well conditioned and some who are fat lumps, all depends on the position said player plays and said players dedication imo

[Kris P Lettus]

Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/ELLIS200.jpg

He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=events&filter=combine&videoId=09000d5d806dbe0b

[Skippord]

http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-01-FB-0080.jpg
Vernon Gholston > Rugby

[SammyG]

Anyone who is bashing the NFL here, can fuck off.

[Gonzo]

You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.

I wouldn't say that. I would say the athletes are just as conditioned and just as fit. I wouldn't say that football requires greater skill, but that the two skill sets required for the two sports are different, but not one greater than the other.

[Londoner]

Anyone who is bashing the NFL here, can fuck off.


Someones taking things a bit too seriously.

[CSL]

Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/ELLIS200.jpg

He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=events&filter=combine&videoId=09000d5d806dbe0b

He would also last about 4 and a half minutes in a game of rugby before passing out

Rugby pretty much bores the piss out of me

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807a1b70

[DrA]

Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/ELLIS200.jpg

He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=events&filter=combine&videoId=09000d5d806dbe0b

lol of course you would show a New Orleans player.

But yeah, the players in the NFL are in the best of shape. Even the 300 pound+ players in the leaugue can out run the majority of people.

[Kris P Lettus]

He would also last about 4 and a half minutes in a game of rugby before passing out

Rugby pretty much bores the piss out of me

Ok then,

http://www.mensfitness.com/images/mf/209299/11239.jpg

Either way, to say that Rugby players are tougher and/or more elite athlete is pretty fucking retarded..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh, and DrA, the last time we had this argument I used Ray Lewis as my example.. Just so happened that today I was watching Ellis videos and reading up on him and whatnot..

p.s. Good pick getting Felix Jones.. That kid is a monster..

[CSL]

Ok then,

http://www.mensfitness.com/images/mf/209299/11239.jpg

Either way, to say that Rugby players are tougher and/or more elite athlete is pretty fucking retarded..

For sure it is. However, there are guys just as fit/in as great shape as Reggie Bush in Rugby. However, I see the whole argument as irrelevent, mainly due to the fact that in Rugby, there isn't much difference in sizes. They seem to range from small and stocky to big and stocky/fat who are on the field for the full game, with one stoppage. In American Football, there are all sorts of sizes and shapes, from piss thin kickers to fat OL guys with all sorts of machine linebackers, mad athletic backs etc in between. Some of those guys I have no doubt could atheltic/cardio-wise play rugby but not everybody.

In comparisons between the two games, I see the NFL as a high impact game. The pads are there because in rugby, you quite simply don't have a 200+lbs guy in peak physical condition running into you as quickly and as hard as he possibly can. There isn't enough space and like somebody mentioned, tackles must be made 'properly', not just trying to destroy the other person. My main worry in rugby I think would be getting trodden on.

Anyways, pointless argument. Again.

[DrA]

Oh, and DrA, the last time we had this argument I used Ray Lewis as my example.. Just so happened that today I was watching Ellis videos and reading up on him and whatnot..

p.s. Good pick getting Felix Jones.. That kid is a monster..

:)

The argument of NFL players not being great athletes (I am not sure if it was even said, but just in case it was), is untrue. Many players that play in the league are multisport stars to begin with. You have guys that, if trained properly, could probably be Olympic sprinters playing alongside guys that can lift trees out of their roots if they wanted to. The NFL is full of guys that could play in other leagues professionally if they chose that direction: baseball, basketball, probably rugby if that was big here. I have never played rugby, or really know anything about it, but I am sure that it is a tough sport in its own right. However, just because one sport is tough does not mean that another one is not.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What about the CFL?

[Renaissance man]

Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/ELLIS200.jpg

He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=events&filter=combine&videoId=09000d5d806dbe0b

Heloooo steriods.

[Bad Company]

I disagree, I've watched both sports and I think both have some players who are incredibly well conditioned and some who are fat lumps, all depends on the position said player plays and said players dedication imo

yeah, but the fat lumps in rugby still have to spend 80 minutes constantly running, so I'd say they are certainly more conditioned than the fat lumps in football. A Rugby loose forward has to have more aerobic fitness than a whole NFL Team combined.
Also, I tried to be decent with my comments, and not be a fanboy, some of you American could try to do the same. Hanso :p
Then again, you don't get Super14 etc, so you wouldn't know.

Oh and as far as tacking Ellis goes, anyone can be tacked in a rugby tackle. Jerry Collins or Schalk Burger would take him easily.

I'd like to see Dale Newstead in here with his opinion.

[Bad Company]

And I'd like to see the Rugby League guys get started about this, they will have some interesting points on Impact and Big hits.

[Sting Fan]

Jerry Collins wouldnt just tackle him, he would fucking eat him alive.

More too the point a lot of guys in Rugby could tackle him. Most players over here live by the bigger they are the harder they fall and its very true. Many is the time I have seen a little weed of a guy floor an absolute beast with a decent round the legs tackle.

That said and done the two are very dissimilar games in all but the violent undertone. That said Rugby League and NFL are probably a lot more similar in a physical sense. Those boys put in some king hits.

[Downunder]

Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/ELLIS200.jpg

He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=events&filter=combine&videoId=09000d5d806dbe0b


http://www.rugbyheaven.co.nz/images/326678.jpg

[Bad Company]

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Bad Company]

true though :D

[BCWWF]

It's not like they're playing football in sumo wrestling suits. C'mon.

[The Mackem]

Rugby tends to bore me to death.

[Hanso Amore]

yeah, but the fat lumps in rugby still have to spend 80 minutes constantly running, so I'd say they are certainly more conditioned than the fat lumps in football. A Rugby loose forward has to have more aerobic fitness than a whole NFL Team combined.
Also, I tried to be decent with my comments, and not be a fanboy, some of you American could try to do the same. Hanso :p
Then again, you don't get Super14 etc, so you wouldn't know.

Oh and as far as tacking Ellis goes, anyone can be tacked in a rugby tackle. Jerry Collins or Schalk Burger would take him easily.

I'd like to see Dale Newstead in here with his opinion.


Im just trying to get everyone riled up.


I respect the shit out of rugby, but I think the NFL is superior in all aspects. Rugby is on par with Hockey I would say.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

nah hockey players wear pads. pussies

[Stickman]

Football and Rugby tackling are completely different techniques. Thought I'd throw that out there.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What about the Arena League?

[Triple A]

The guy who is talking about "rest stops"... come on.

The greatest thing about the NFL is how much strategy is involved, like Krispy said. There is so much thinking involved, it is like a huge chess game. Fucking best sporttttt

[Gonzo]

Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.

[Stickman]

Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.

Is that supposed to make it the be all end all sport?

[Gonzo]

Well, yes actually. Game...blouses.

http://www.asd.k12.ak.us/schools/mears/pages/Student_Pages/04_05_2nd_Sem/1st_period/jo_zach/Pictures/_Dave_Chappelle_As_Prince.jpg

[Bad Company]

Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.
who cares, it's all Chess. Most of the players don't have anything to do with it, it's all the coaches. That makes it boring as fuck to me.

[Sting Fan]

TBH I just think it shows that NFL players, coaches and teams cant react to the situation at speed. Gotta stop, have a thin, maybe jerk off a little then get a bright spark idea and run the play.

Whatever happened to think on your feet, get tired, exploit the oppositions mistakes. If I want chess I will go get a board and some little horses, if I want conctact sport I will watch rugby.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.

[Downunder]

Seriously, this thread should have died after the first post.

[Bad Company]

well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.
lol, flipped out lately?
Besides, it's the coaches that do the reacting, not the players.

[Skippord]

God we talk about this more than how you wipe your ass

and that is just not the kind of forum I want to post on

[Downunder]

Which begs the question; do you watch American football standing or sitting?

[Skippord]

cant it be both?

[Sting Fan]

well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.


I have always wondered what its like to post looking for the reaction, there it is, semi fun I have to say.

Little bit of an over reaction, no?

And just while were at it I beleive the way NFL is played does show a distinct lack of ability by the players to think on the fly and run play after play after play as both Rugby and League do.

[CSL]

But that way, the NFL would end up being played like Rugby and League which in turn would be boring, like Rugby and League.

Yeah it's an uninformed opinion with no fact or knowledge of said sports but it seems that's the pre-requisite for this argument

[Sting Fan]

Sure is, welcome too the mix.

[Downunder]

But that way, the NFL would end up being played like Rugby and League which in turn would be boring, like Rugby and League.

Yeah it's an uninformed opinion with no fact or knowledge of said sports but it seems that's the pre-requisite for this argument

To be fair (and I can't believe I'm going to bother, but...) I don't know what your exposure to Rugby or League is over there, but we get shit loads of NFL here, during the season we can watch just about any game and many of them live. So some of the opinions here aren't all that uninformed.

Of course that being said, this thread is retarded - we did this shit back in '99. It was funny then, it's not now.

[Gertner]

I played both, both are pretty rough in different ways.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol, flipped out lately?
Besides, it's the coaches that do the reacting, not the players.

That's just simply not true. The coaches call the plays, but the players have to execute them. The defense has to react to what the offense is doing just like the offense has to react to what the defense is doing. You can run the same play 20 times and get 20 different results. You guys are acting like there's no human element involved in the actual competition.

[Stickman]

Rugby must be better, it has a world cup every 4 years.

[Sting Fan]

Didnt wanna say it but tbh at least we let other countrys play in our world champs too :p

[Gonzo]

No other country could form a football team to beat an NFL team, so until then: :foc:

Besides, NFL champions are the Super Bowl Champions, not world champions technically.

Either way, I agree with Supreme, he is right. The coach may call the play, but each player has to execute the play meticulously in order to be successful. The whole game is reading and reacting to what the opposition is doing. If you think that NFL players are not able to think on the fly, you're just being a dumb ignorant cunt.

[Crimson]

Rugby is boring as hell..why was it even invented? Bunch of toothless wankers.

Football= the goods

[Sting Fan]

No other country could form a football team to beat an NFL team, so until then: :foc:

Besides, NFL champions are the Super Bowl Champions, not world champions technically.

Either way, I agree with Supreme, he is right. The coach may call the play, but each player has to execute the play meticulously in order to be successful. The whole game is reading and reacting to what the opposition is doing. If you think that NFL players are not able to think on the fly, you're just being a dumb ignorant cunt.

Its always nice that you feel the need to resort to names.

That said, I have often heard the Superbowl Champions refered too as Champions of the world, much like Baseball and the world series.

And I will admit my ignorance of this but isnt there a lot of players in the NFL who could and do claim residential status in other countrys? I seem to remember a lot of islanders floating around in there. But I admit im not certain on that.

Also just to note NFL doesnt have a huge following anywhere else in the world too my knowledge, I know of the CFL and NFL Europe otherwise it only seems too be played in America.

But I am pretty damn sure somewhere else in the world could put a decent team together if the time and the money were dedicated too it. Just seems no one else cares enough too.

[Gonzo]

Like most sports, the game has to be played your whole life to be able to compete at the professional level. Nobody could field a team of players with enough experience and knowledge of the game elsewhere in the world to beat an NFL team. It is an extremely complex game at the professional level.

I have played rugby. I think its a tough game in its own right, it is just different from football. They're both difficult sports respectively.

[Crimson]

Football is too complicated for the rest of the world.

[Bad Company]

This thread is horrible, I am sorry I even took part.

[DrA]

Like most sports, the game has to be played your whole life to be able to compete at the professional level. Nobody could field a team of players with enough experience and knowledge of the game elsewhere in the world to beat an NFL team. It is an extremely complex game at the professional level.

I have played rugby. I think its a tough game in its own right, it is just different from football. They're both difficult sports respectively.

That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.

[Gonzo]

That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.

They may have tried out, but were they successful. The majority of players play all throughout high school at least, through college and into the NFL. I bet the percentage of players who start playing in college, or later on in life is small.

[DrA]

As for the NFL and its plays being so complex: you know what else is complex? Algebra, yet I managed to pass that in the eighth grade. Let's face it, most of the guys playing in the NFL aren't winning Nobel Prizes. The plays may be complex to a certain degree, but using that as an argument is sugar coating the basic fundamentals of the game, which are throwing the ball to the guy who is open and running after the guy who has the ball. I mean, I love football, but it is getting kind of irritating that they are promoting the game to be something more than it is.

The main complaint that rookies have in transitioning to professional football is how fast the game is. However, I am sure the game thing can be said about the transitioning to any sport at the professional level. Here's the thing: rugby is a contact sport and football is a collision sport. Just leave it at that.

[Gonzo]

I wish I could find the link to Al Saunder's playbook, which is over 400 pages deep. I think that disregarding the immense work that goes into studying the playbook, on top of the physical conditioning is a disservice to how much goes into the sport.

[Gonzo]

Besides, some people have a knack for learning certain things. NFL players probably relate to the type of teaching and learning required to play in the NFL. The ones that don't won't succeed. I have a friend who is dumb as a brick, but he is a genius when it comes to framing houses. Its all about finding your niche.

[Hanso Amore]

That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.

And they let Billy Crystal try out for the Yankees this season, so whats your fucking point?

Anyone can try out, its usually a way to get some press.

You cant just walk onto the field, that is why a kid could never walk from High school straight to the pros.

Basketaball, Hockey, Baseball and Soccer can all be owned by 19 year olds (and have been)

Football players struggle to make it after their whole lives and 4 years of college at the top level of play.

[Sting Fan]

All you have proven is the sport has as yet too have a prodigy?

Are you seriously telling me that no one fresh out of school has made a huge impact on the game?

I dont understand the whole draft thing too well tbh but usualy isnt there a lot of uproar over who will be the number one draft pick. and isnt that usualy somenoe fresh out of school?

[CSL]

And they let Billy Crystal try out for the Yankees this season, so whats your fucking point?

Anyone can try out, its usually a way to get some press.

You cant just walk onto the field, that is why a kid could never walk from High school straight to the pros.

Basketaball, Hockey, Baseball and Soccer can all be owned by 19 year olds (and have been)

Football players struggle to make it after their whole lives and 4 years of college at the top level of play.

The only reason 'football' hasn't been 'owned' by a 19 year old yet is simply because they aren't allowed to without special academic shit (Amobi Okoye) If there was a way of getting some special looking players into college at an earlier age than 18 I'm sure we'd have seen some 18/19 year old guys tearing it up by now

[CSL]

All you have proven is the sport has as yet too have a prodigy?

Are you seriously telling me that no one fresh out of school has made a huge impact on the game?

I dont understand the whole draft thing too well tbh but usualy isnt there a lot of uproar over who will be the number one draft pick. and isnt that usualy somenoe fresh out of school?

College, usually between 21 and 23.

[Hanso Amore]

Look at Maurice Clarett at 19, tried to go pro, but couldnt.

2 years later he couldnt make a team. Do you really think he could have fallen off that much?

My Point is all NFL players are amazing in High School, but you cant make that jump, its the hardest sport to adjust to. It takes a few years to grow into college, and a few to adjust to the pros. No one could make that jump, because it is too hard. Its the only sport you cant make that jump.

[CSL]

I dunno. If Okoye can do it, I'm sure others can. I think it depends on position. I couldn't see a 18 year old QB/RB and a bunch of others but I could see some corners, maybe a receiver, defensive lineman (dunno about ends), kick returners, kickers being good enough at that kind of age. College is a must though. No way could it happen straight out of school

[CSL]

Also, lol @ Maurice Clarett. I'll never understand how some people can fuck up stuff so badly for themselves when they've got so much going for them

[Hanso Amore]

Never in a million years could an 18 year old play qb. Too much knowledge/experience needed, way too much pressure.

I can see an 18 year old RB, but at the same time, most players arent done growing into their bodies at 18, and would lack the size. Alot of RBs and shit gain their muscle in college as it is their first time in a serious workout routine.

[Hanso Amore]

Okoye is the first...but he also had 4 years of college ball, so its not like he was out of high school. He was just younger.

[Team Sheep]

Why the constant arguments over this? You can't compare the two, both are tough in their own respect. 2 sports can't be compared.

[Stickman]

Comparing the sports doesn't really work. They are completely different. It's like saying a good baseball team would destroy the best cricket team.

[Hanso Amore]

Comparing the sports doesn't really work. They are completely different. It's like saying a good baseball team would destroy the best cricket team.

Oh shit....No You Didnt.....

[Sting Fan]

At least Cricket players dont need an oversize mit to catch with.

(runs away to buy popcorn)

[Bad Company]

lol sting fan, but cricket players wear pads, and going by this thread, that makes them pussies :D

[Downunder]

Indoor cricket - no pads, that's what real men play

[Sting Fan]

lol sting fan, but cricket players wear pads, and going by this thread, that makes them pussies :D

I could just do what most others on this board do and twist it around so I use the American POV now - Pads just show its more extreme!!!!!!

P.S. Im playing I promise, lets not start again.