The ending on RAW (spoilers)

[Splaya]

When Regal ended the video feed before Orton was going to tap to HHH, who do you think was the brains behind that idea. There is no way that Gerwitz thought of that

[aaaaa]

I bet Joey Styles had a hand in that idea. What better way to [hopefully] sky-rocket website hits than to leave the fans wondering who won?

[Mr. JL]

I didn't see it... but it SOUNDS stupid

[The Optimist]

I didn't see it... but it SOUNDS stupid

[U-Warrior]

Would have been stupid without regal, but he made it awesome.

[Gertner]

I thought it was pretty cool. Gonan get Regal mad heat, which it surely did.

[SammyG]

Reminded me of WCW.

WE GOTTA GO, WE GOTTA GO, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON NITRO, WHAT IS GOING ON

[Juan]

Reminded me of WCW.

WE GOTTA GO, WE GOTTA GO, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON NITRO, WHAT IS GOING ON

:lol:

[Dave Youell]

I haven't seen it, but I think this weeks Raw sounds pretty solid

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think any harm will be done by it. William Regal looks like a power-crazed prick, which is awesome. There is money (WWE money, that is, which means no real money) in the King of Kings facing the King of the Ring down the line. Regal is also awesome, and can do whatever he likes, as far as I am concerned.

It also does leave some intrigue there, but I see a conundrum here: Either I don't care about Triple H vs. Randy Orton (and I don't), so seeing their match interrupted by Regal doesn't bother me; or I do care about Triple H vs. Randy Orton, so I am ever-so-pissed I didn't get my match.

[Kane Knight]

I didn't see it... but it SOUNDS stupid

[KingofOldSchool]

It would have been better if it was a big match and not one we have seen dozens of times before.

[311]

Regal was money that whole episode.

[Londoner]

I just read the results, sounds really fucking stupid. Hell, why don't they just cut off the whole show? Then regal will definately get MAD heat. Yeah.

[The CyNick]

Cool idea for a TV show, but for the live audience that blows as a finish.

They could have easily done that finish, and then had Hunter challenge Orton to come back and finish the match. They had a big crowd last night, I cant see how anyone would leave that arena feeling satisfied with that finish.

[XL]

I didn't see it... but no one else did either

[Kane Knight]

Cool idea for a TV show, but for the live audience that blows as a finish.

They could have easily done that finish, and then had Hunter challenge Orton to come back and finish the match. They had a big crowd last night, I cant see how anyone would leave that arena feeling satisfied with that finish.

That's how it's going to get Regal "mad heat" I guess. By making a hot crowd feel like they want their money back.

[Gertner]

That's how it's going to get Regal "mad heat" I guess. By making a hot crowd feel like they want their money back.


lol i'd be pissed

[Porcupine]

TNA should top this and CUT the feed as soon as Impact starts!

[Kane Knight]

TNA should top this and CUT the feed as soon as Impact starts!

Well, it could hardly hurt ratings.

[owenbrown]

Well, it could hardly hurt ratings.

Impact has ratings?

[Mr. JL]

So, I was up late and saw the midnight airing of RAW. Saw Mr. Kennedy piss King Regal off and caught the HHH-Orton match and that was a pretty fucking stupid way to end the show.

I actually found myself cheering for Kennedy though when he interupted King Regal. But that ending was bullshit.

[Afterlife]

That ending was brilliant and ballsy as hell. If you don't get it, it was supposed to make you angry.

[Xero]

That ending was brilliant and ballsy as hell. If you don't get it, it was supposed to make you angry.

I'm sure they'll be happy when the ratings plummet.

I thought it was decent, but I have a feeling this will be a "last straw" for a lot of people.

[Kane Knight]

That ending was brilliant and ballsy as hell. If you don't get it, it was supposed to make you angry. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[KingofOldSchool]

I actually found myself cheering for Kennedy though when he interupted King Regal. But that ending was bullshit.

Rob Conway could get a reaction against Regal.

[BigDaddyCool]

When Kennedy came out, I groaned and thought, "ah, not that guy."

[Kane Knight]

When Kennedy came out, I groaned and thought, "ah, not that guy."


"...THIS GUUUUUY..."

[Stickman]

I thought it was an interesting finish, but I"m not sure I like that it was during HHH vs Orton for the belt. If it was more of a random match it would be awesome, but I think for a championship match to end like that kinda sucks.

[Afterlife]

I'm sure they'll be happy when the ratings plummet.

I thought it was decent, but I have a feeling this will be a "last straw" for a lot of people.

Like the ratings are up there in the first place. Besides, I'm sure the idea is for people to hit the website to bring up their numbers and to have people tune in next week to "see what happened".

Besides, this is the only thing that makes another HHH vs. Orton match interesting.

And "last straw" for what?

[Kane Knight]

Like the ratings are up there in the first place.


That would make a good justification. "The ratings are down already, why don't we piss off even more people?":rofl:

[Kane Knight]

As a side note, does "Last straw for a lot of people" really need explanation?

[XL]

Around these parts?

More than likely.

[Dorkchop]

It was pretty unique, I'll give WWE that. People are talking about it, and it's creating some interest. That's what wrestling needs. Will this intrigue people enough to want to turn in next week? I have no clue, but I'm a Regal mark so I want to watch and see where this is going.

[Kane Knight]

Around these parts?

More than likely.
You do have a point. The short bus is rather full around here.

[RVDmark]

It wasn't the greatest ending to raw ever, but it was better than the "Orton tapping out, HHH celebrates" ending that I was expecting.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought it was pretty cool. Regal's obvioulsy in line for some big shit.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I liked it, though I do think they should have finished the match up for the live crowd

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Also, would have been a better play for this to happen with Orton as the champion on the verge of tapping as opposed to Triple H defending with Orton on the verge of tapping.

[Mercury Bullet]

TNA should top this and CUT the feed as soon as Impact starts!

Russo is probably reading this and just turned around to tell somebody about a great idea he just had.

[Mercury Bullet]

The commentary still going after the video feed had been cut should have gotten really bizarre, that would have made the whole thing a lot better...




JR: Triple H has Orton here, he's gonna tap!

King: I think you're ri...wait what is that? What just came out from under the ring? It looks like...

JR: Bah gawd badgers! Are you seeing what I'm seeing? Badgers are crawling out from under the ring!

King: Thats alot of badgers!

JR: Alot of badgers indeed and they are coming into the ring!

King: I've never seen anything like this before!

JR: Bah Gawd King you are right! The badgers are assaulting Triple H and Orton, biting at there heels!

***feed cuts out to Law & Order***




Now THAT would have been a "WTF" moment...

[Splaya]

I'm sure they'll be happy when the ratings plummet.

I thought it was decent, but I have a feeling this will be a "last straw" for a lot of people.

Xero, I got a lot of respect for you, but if you think this is the last straw, you're out of your mind

[TerranRich]

I don't know, I liked it. It was an interesting end to the show.

I think you guys are overreacting saying this is the last straw for some people, it's going to harm ratings, etc. This won't do jack shit to the ratings, because it HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE SHOW. What ratings are we talking about, the teaser for Law & Order? It was unexpected, had an Attitude-ish feel to it (in a way), and was indeed meant to draw heat for Regal.

The match continued for those in attendance anyway.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know, I liked it. It was an interesting end to the show.

I think you guys are overreacting saying this is the last straw for some people, it's going to harm ratings, etc. This won't do jack shit to the ratings, because it HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE SHOW. What ratings are we talking about, the teaser for Law & Order?

Another thing I thought should be self-explanatory, but Xero is talking about future ratings.

[Impact!]

LOL

[Kane Knight]

Gotta admit, I'm not entirely sure what to think of some of the lines of reasoning going on here. I mean, sure, it's "unexpected," but one only needs to look at the final days of WCW to see that unexpected doesn't necessarily translate into good.

I'm also not sure how this draws heat, if the only people deprived were the television viewers. I mean, I guess the fans at home might have been booing, and I'm sure that will be replayed on Raw next week, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a tangible result. I'd say the odds are long against, personally, that this translates into anything meaningful or a particularly increased amount of heat from the live audience.

Back to unexpected. I'm sure Triple H and Randy Orton finishing the match by making out would also be unexpected, but that doesn't make it a good idea or translate into a positive outcome. Russo pulls a lot of unexpected "twists," and look where he is.

In terms of what it was "supposed" to do, I'm not sure the fact that it was "supposed" to piss people off is any better than "It's unexpected," since pissing people off doesn't always translate into ratings. In fact, it's a very tricky thing. I mean, Triple H was supposed to get booed as a heel in the Attitude Era, and he did, and the fact that his spots tended to tank ratings should demonstrate that the fact that it was intended did not make it a good thing when it worked.

In other words, the cliché "be careful what you wish for; you just might get it" comes to mind. The intent to piss people off is more likely to backfire than to serve as a boon.

So honestly, to say it's "supposed" to do it is kind of missing the point entirely.

[Rob]

The commentary still going after the video feed had been cut should have gotten really bizarre, that would have made the whole thing a lot better...




JR: Triple H has Orton here, he's gonna tap!

King: I think you're ri...wait what is that? What just came out from under the ring? It looks like...

JR: Bah gawd badgers! Are you seeing what I'm seeing? Badgers are crawling out from under the ring!

King: Thats alot of badgers!

JR: Alot of badgers indeed and they are coming into the ring!

King: I've never seen anything like this before!

JR: Bah Gawd King you are right! The badgers are assaulting Triple H and Orton, biting at there heels!

***feed cuts out to Law & Order***




Now THAT would have been a "WTF" moment...


What!?

We don't need no stinking badgers!





;)

[Kane Knight]

What!?

We don't need no stinking badgers!





;)

Where all the white women at?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Wait, did they really just stop the match for the live crowd? When they cut the feed, there were still sounds of the match and J.R. and the King were still announcing.

[Mercury Bullet]

Wait, did they really just stop the match for the live crowd? When they cut the feed, there were still sounds of the match and J.R. and the King were still announcing.

There was about another 30 seconds or so of commentary with no video feed, and then that dropped out too. They didn't stop the match live though as far as I know...

[Afterlife]

Gotta admit, I'm not entirely sure what to think of some of the lines of reasoning going on here. I mean, sure, it's "unexpected," but one only needs to look at the final days of WCW to see that unexpected doesn't necessarily translate into good.

I'm also not sure how this draws heat, if the only people deprived were the television viewers. I mean, I guess the fans at home might have been booing, and I'm sure that will be replayed on Raw next week, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a tangible result. I'd say the odds are long against, personally, that this translates into anything meaningful or a particularly increased amount of heat from the live audience

Back to unexpected. I'm sure Triple H and Randy Orton finishing the match by making out would also be unexpected, but that doesn't make it a good idea or translate into a positive outcome. Russo pulls a lot of unexpected "twists," and look where he is.

In terms of what it was "supposed" to do, I'm not sure the fact that it was "supposed" to piss people off is any better than "It's unexpected," since pissing people off doesn't always translate into ratings. In fact, it's a very tricky thing. I mean, Triple H was supposed to get booed as a heel in the Attitude Era, and he did, and the fact that his spots tended to tank ratings should demonstrate that the fact that it was intended did not make it a good thing when it worked.

In other words, the cliché "be careful what you wish for; you just might get it" comes to mind. The intent to piss people off is more likely to backfire than to serve as a boon.

So honestly, to say it's "supposed" to do it is kind of missing the point entirely.


So, cutting the feed is going to destroy future ratings, but doing so won't garnish future heat for the villian that caused it? Excellent selective theory.

As for unexpected, I really think you need to pick an argument. You're notorious for the "Vince needs to wake up and stop forcing things down our thoats" idea, yet when they do something radical, it's a bad move. Why is it that new things are always so dangerous, while repetition is detrimental? It seems like sometimes, you have to make decisions, and see what the fuck happens. This prejudice against the company is simply astonishing. Yes, some things have an intended outcome, and yes, some things don't work the way you think they should. But "supposed to" doesn't mean "will". That's why they say "supposed to". But I'm sure all of us short-busers thank you for spelling it out.

Oh, and while you're busy condescending, I've got a cliche of my own that seems to fit the bill again, especially in your case: Watch before you bitch.

[Kane Knight]

So, cutting the feed is going to destroy future ratings, but doing so won't garnish future heat for the villian that caused it? Excellent selective theory.


It's not a selective theory, since "heat" and "I'm sick of this shit" are not the same thing. Nor are they necessarily mutually exclusive, but since you're formulating my argument for me, I figured I'd point out the flaw in your "logic." And believe me, I use the term loosely.

As for "unexpected," No, there is a problem with the reasoning behind that. So I brought it up. I'm not looking for an argument, but I sure did find a discrepancy between the reasoning and reality. Again, you try and paint me as though two points are mutually exclusive, which only works if you rigidly and dishonestly frame them. Believe it or not, "Stop forcing things down our throats" does not automatically mean that every possible alternative is good. That's not logic. That's a dishonest statement framed to create an argument (Hello thar, iruny!).

[Azriel]

Wait, did they really just stop the match for the live crowd? When they cut the feed, there were still sounds of the match and J.R. and the King were still announcing.

from what one guy reported who was actually there, Regal soon came out and said he put a stop to the match.

[addy2hotty]

Surely what happened has created interest. Whether people like it or not, it was unexpected, it was done by someone unexpected and is totally out of context to the formulaic shit we've had shoved down our throats for years now. People are talking about it. Had this not happened, we'd have the usual threads about outpopping, Jericho sucking and whatever bandwagon someone wants to start this week. It's freshened up this board, for me anyway.

The fact that they've loosely copied the idea in their other two shows seems to indicate that they liked it, and as long as they don't do this every week, it'll make me watch with a bit more interest.

Let's be honest, I'm sure most people were about to switch over anyway.

[loopydate]

Some of my friends at work who can generously be called "casual" fans (in that I had no idea they had ever watched a show in their lives) were talking about the ending to RAW on Tuesday. So it's generating some interest. Guess we just have to wait and see whether that's a good thing or not.

[TerranRich]

Another thing I thought should be self-explanatory, but Xero is talking about future ratings.

That was a very tame response from you, KK. Good job! :)

Besides, it was 1:30 AM and I was dead tired. I didn't pay attention, I'll admit it.

[Xero]

Now if it had happened at the BEGINNING of the show and they just aired 1:45 of dead-air, then yeah, it WOULD affect that night's ratings.

[TerranRich]

Sorry Xero. I was posting while fatigued. It won't happen again. :(

*falls asleep*

Looking back, that was a stupid thing for me to think.