wrestlers that should be main eventing instead of the usual lame assclowns

[Renaissance man]

-John Morrison (the future of the wwe)
-Cm punk
-Festus (Stop laughing and watch him)
-Kane (not on lame ecw but on Raw)

feel free to add more

[The Mackem]

-Michael Adamle

[Afterlife]

-Stevie Richards.

[Kane Knight]

Man, the future of WWE is lame.

[Kane Knight]

Jeff Hardy (Though it's his fault)
Shelton Benjamin (Thoug hagain, his fault)
I could probably think of more, but they jump out at me. Mostly because of the contact high I got when Jeff came to mind.

[Londoner]

Jericho.

[Kane Knight]

LOL

[The Optimist]

I don't know. Shelton can only be blamed in the way that you can blame someone for not stepping up as high as they can potentially. He's probably held down more for being uncharismatic (also black and taking more risks than main eventers) more than his more than occasional fuck-ups in the ring. So, it's more like it's his fault for not trying harder and not it's his fault for making a mistake somewhere. I'm not saying he can't learn to do better promos, but it's a different kind of "his fault" than Jeff Hardy.

[The Optimist]

LOL
Yeah, though. This topic is going to get alot of hilarious answers. When I saw the title I thought "Isn't that all TPWW talks about anymore?".

[BigDaddyCool]

Everyone named so far should not be maineventing at this point in time for various reason.

Punk and Morrison aren't their yet.
Kane doesn't seem to care.
Festus...are you kidding?
Adamle? I know it is funny to say his name.
Richards is injury prone and just doesn't have it.
Hardy is a moron and just doesn't learn
Shelton is a choke artist
Jericho has done nothing to merit it right now. And don't say he hasn't had the chance, he hasn't had the right people, he has ring rust, blah blah blah. Anyone who has been watching lately and still thinks Jericho is the best thing in wrestling is some kind of crazy.

[Londoner]

I can't be fucked getting into a discussion about jericho with the same usual bullshit one sided haters. He's done well since his return.

[BigDaddyCool]

TL, u is dumb.

[Kane Knight]

I don't know. Shelton can only be blamed in the way that you can blame someone for not stepping up as high as they can potentially. He's probably held down more for being uncharismatic (also black and taking more risks than main eventers) more than his more than occasional fuck-ups in the ring. So, it's more like it's his fault for not trying harder and not it's his fault for making a mistake somewhere. I'm not saying he can't learn to do better promos, but it's a different kind of "his fault" than Jeff Hardy.

He's been pushed hard, and every time he does, he starts botching moves. While it's not as bad as smoking the pot and doing the pain killers, it is still very much his fault.

I love the guy. I like him more than Jeff and I think he's more capable and deserving, but the ball's been in his court, and hee's dropped it a lot.

[Kane Knight]

I can't be fucked getting into a discussion about jericho with the same usual bullshit one sided haters. He's done well since his return.

I love how you're BAWWWWW ing about one sided haters when all you spout is one-sided support that even most other Jericho fans don't agree with.

[Kane Knight]

TL, u is dumb.

Hey BDC, do you even hate Jericho? I mean, I know I don't, no matter how many retarded Val Venis fans claim otherwise, but I'm unclear on you. I honestly don't think you do, but I'm not one of those jackasses who assumes that just because you disagree with someone, your opinion is the polar opposite (ie you don't believe JERICHO IS GOD!!!!!!!!! so you must believe he's completely shit).

[Rob]

Only Jericho and the Hardys could get over on top right now.

[Renaissance man]

Everyone named so far should not be maineventing at this point in time for various reason.

Punk and Morrison aren't their yet.
Kane doesn't seem to care.
Festus...are you kidding?
Adamle? I know it is funny to say his name.
Richards is injury prone and just doesn't have it.
Hardy is a moron and just doesn't learn
Shelton is a choke artist
Jericho has done nothing to merit it right now. And don't say he hasn't had the chance, he hasn't had the right people, he has ring rust, blah blah blah. Anyone who has been watching lately and still thinks Jericho is the best thing in wrestling is some kind of crazy.


Trust me on this one, Festus is going to be huge!

[HTrain90]

John Morrison is good, but he needs a finisher. Once he finds something, I expect him to be done with Miz and start working up the card - although their tag run has been amazing for both of them and will lead them both to solid singles careers. Could Miz work to the main event someday? I think he's got a shot.

Shelton Benjamin always gets a mention. He's finally looking like he's getting a style down, and his matches with Kofi the past couple weeks have been solid TV matches. He doesn't need to be amazing on the mic to get over - they could give him a mouthpiece. Problem is, I have no idea who would the that guy to be his manager. Striker would just be awkward. The thing with Burke certainly had legs, but Burke has too much talent to be left as a manager.

Speaking of Elijah, there's no reason he isn't in the mid-card right now. Elijah would add a fresh face to the IC ranks, and he could pull off some really good matches with Jericho, Carlito, Jeff Hardy, etc.

Maybe a Shelton/Elijah tag team run can get them moving in that direction? The only way this could work is to find a babyface team to hold the straps (Londrick?) and hold them for a few months, then have a mystery team challenge them on RAW on week and it's Shelton and Elijah, acquired on a trade. Londrick get ousted, being as Shelton and Burke can match their speed and are more powerful, leading the a nice feud between the two teams, and a long run for Burke and Benjamin. Just a thought - would get them on the main show, but not push them too hard too soon.

In all honesty, I have no idea how Val Venis isn't up there. They really dropped the ball with him. I saw this mentioned here a few months back, but when he did the RTC thing as "Chief Morely" they had a chance to get him out of the Val character. If he had evolved from that to simply being Sean Morely and stayed heel for a while longer, he would have been over huge and would have ended up in the main event with time. I would have never guessed in 1999 that Edge would end up bigger than Val. It's just amazing how bad Val got screwed over by Creative wanting him to go back to the Venis gimmick after the RTC days, because Val is one of the better workers of the last decade.

Christian Cage. I know he's in TNA, but this guy should be in the main event picture in WWE. They dropped the ball bad with him.

I, for one, don't see Jeff as a world title guy. I don't find him believable. When he beat HHH, I wrote it off as a fluke. And was proven right when Orton beat him clean (a win Orton needed). I just don't see Jeff being a main event guy - maybe occasionally in four-ways and such, but never in a one-on-one main event on a big PPV.

Festus can wrestle. He needs a complete makeover, but he looked good with Taker and he has shown time and time again that he can go after the bell rings.

Kane should have main evented a long time ago. To main event him now is a waste because no one cares. He's past his prime, and he's being pushed. Great. They should have given him a world title run when he was a complete psycho - coming out the ring in shackles with the towel over his head - THAT Kane was awesome. Now he's a big ball of blubber and can't carry a 5* match, although he'll do no worse than a 3.

Carlito. This guy is good when he actually tries. Then again, that's his problem. But he SHOULD be in a top spot by now, not feuding with Bobcore and CAWdy in the tag ranks. He needs to bring back the apple spitting after matches and get a more cut-throat edge to his already opportunistic heel gimmick, and he could be really good.

That's all I've got for now. I'll post more later if I think of any.

[Kane Knight]

I agree with the notion that Kane should have main evented a long time ago, and that it's kind of a waste now. I actually kind of feel the same way about Jericho, that his time is not now. Of course, more people care about Jericho than Kane, but the sentiment is still the same.

[BigDaddyCool]

I don't hate Jericho. He is just boring and not as good as advertised.

[Renaissance man]

[QUOTE=HTrain90;2140605]John Morrison is good, but he needs a finisher. Once he finds something, I expect him to be done with Miz and start working up the card - although their tag run has been amazing for both of them and will lead them both to solid singles careers. Could Miz work to the main event someday? I think he's got a shot.

maybe its the painpills but i swear to Michaels you just said that the Miz could be a main eventer....oh please no no

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Miz would be a sweet main eventer somewhere WAY down the road.

As for Jericho, this program with Michaels is about to be a treat for all of us to enjoy. I loved that 'award ceremony' on Monday.

[The Optimist]

The Miz would be a sweet main eventer somewhere WAY down the road.
Far after my children and I are dead.

[Stickman]

Jericho
HBK

[NoRoolz]

In 4-5 years time I'd love to see:

Punk, Triple H, Cena (he's going nowhere.), Big Show, HBK, Shelton, Both Hardys, Jericho, MVP, Elijah Burke, Kane, Shelton Benjamin, John Morrison, Batista, Carlito, Orton, Edge, Kennedy, Regal and probably a few debutants/TNA steals as the WWE's top wrestlers.

I've more than likely forgotten a few too.

But right now? No-one is ready, Punk is almost, but needs to get more over - some big wins will do him good. Jericho could be there again easily with a bit more effort/if he was given better opportunities. Shelton the same as Jericho. Jeff's been a dick. MVP/Matt Hardy/Kennedy are almost ready. Regal could get there within 6 months I'm sure after his KOTR win. Carlito has gone major downhill but still could turn it around ala Orton. Morrison I would like to see there but can't see it happening as of right now. And Elijah Burke could quite possibly be the MAN in a few years time, not just yet though. A nice slow push would be perfect for him.

[RP]

Hornswoggle

[Rob]

Some guys are just made to be mid carders. There's nothing wrong with it.

[CSL]

This is more of a who I think will be main eventing soon as I don't really think there is anybody who should be main eventing atm that isn't already :-\

Matt Hardy
CM Punk
MVP

I'd like to think Elijah Burke, Jeff and Ken Doane could get there but I think it's too early to tell with Doane and Burke and Jeff fucks up too often

[CSL]

I also think Christian Cage will return at some point down the line and have a run

[RVDmark]

Anyone in WWE could be a top guy in 3 months with the right booking / push. WWE just doesn't book all that well.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Far after my children and I are dead.

Spoken like a true optimist.

[Kane Knight]

I don't hate Jericho. He is just boring and not as good as advertised.

To be fair, nobody's as good as advertised by the IWC. I don't think God Himself could live up to the hype given to CM Punk, Paul Burchill, Chris Jericho, etc.

I like two of the three, BTW. I'm not shitting on them. Though Punk....

The Miz would be a sweet main eventer somewhere WAY down the road.

If WWE loses all its other talent in a tragic airplane mishap, perhaps.

Some guys are just made to be mid carders. There's nothing wrong with it.

There is in the eyes of the IWC. If someone doesn't get a title run and major programs, they're being misused. I know it's ridiculous, but so is smarkdom.

[Avenger]

Michael Cole should be main eventing. Fuck off all of you.

[dablackguy]

Anyone in WWE could be a top guy in 3 months with the right booking / push. WWE just doesn't book all that well.

Completely disagreeance there. IMO, To be a top guy, a wrestler must do at least 2 of the following:

Wrestle well, as in above average -> Your Benoits, Angle, etc
Over -> All the talent/size in the world doesn't matter if you can't get people to give a shit, see Lesnar, Brock
Mic skills -> Also very important, self explanitory
Draw-> The most important, is he profitable?

When you compare the top guys in wrestling from 1998 to the top guys today you consistently find this:

The top guys back then had at least 2 of these qualities, Rock, Austin, Hogan, HBK before he got hurt; all had 2 or 3 of these qualities.
Compare to maybe not the absolute top guys, but your potential top guys:

HHH - Not a big draw, nor a great wrestler, serviceable on the mic
Cena - Draws but a mediocre wrestler, up and down on the mic
Orton - So-so wrestler, decent on the mic, not a big draw
Jericho- Solid but not spectacular wrestler, good on the mic, debatable drawing ability

Anyone with a shot at the top is lacking in at least 2 of those areas, as such while maybe anyone could be a ME, not anyone could be a top guy

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey BDC, do you even hate Jericho? I mean, I know I don't, no matter how many retarded Val Venis fans claim otherwise, but I'm unclear on you. I honestly don't think you do, but I'm not one of those jackasses who assumes that just because you disagree with someone, your opinion is the polar opposite (ie you don't believe JERICHO IS GOD!!!!!!!!! so you must believe he's completely shit).

I've never really said you hate Jericho. I once accused you of flip-flopping on the Jericho issue.

[Fox]

WWE is fine right now, in my opinion. The people that should be main eventing are (Taker, Triple H, Cena, Orton, Edge, Batista, HBK), and the up and comers are getting their own time to shine and, more importantly, to improve (Punk, Morrison, Kennedy, MVP, Matt Hardy). Jericho is the only one who I think she be in a higher spot, but with the crowd to compete with and his being out of the game so long AND the fact that he's the IC Champion, he fits the bill where he stands right now.

TNA is where this problem is the worst. So what if Joe is the main event guy now? He should have been TNA Champion 2 years ago. AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Alex Shelley, Robert Roode - these are guys who should have been built up to be taken seriously. They are under and mid-card workers at best right now, and the people are sick of seing Angle vs. Joe vs. Christian in various set ups for the main event. It's not working anymore. They need to elevate the younger guys and make them into homegrown stars, or TNA is nothing but a 4th WWE show, and God knows we do not need that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are five men that the WWE have really dropped the ball with since I've been a viewer: Chris Jericho, Rob Van Dam, Rhyno, Christian and Matt Hardy. Only two of those men are with the WWE now, so I've got to submit Chris Jericho and Matt Hardy as candidates.

I am not a big fan of him, but Jeff Hardy, given the upward momentum he had achieved since Survivor Series really should be heading towards a World Title, too, but he's fucked that up.

I am a mark for the guy, but there is a reason for it: Val Venis, top-to-bottom, is one of the better performers the WWE has. Lance Storm and Jim Ross (two very different tastes) agree that he is under-utilised, so that is good enough for me. I have been wanting to say this for some time, but I know I will get flamed for it: Val Venis is the best seller in the WWE. I wonder if that is how he fell into his current role, or he has just been making other guys look better than they should look so long that he's gotten really good at it.

Venis is a solid talker (I actually feel he is overrated on the mic by some...he's better than most, though) and he's great with ring psychology, selling, and he's got a great moveset on him. A lot of people think the gimmick is holding him back, but we've got a Samoan savage, a wigger and a zombie leading the way in the WWE right now. If they had Venis sleep with Stephanie McMahon, pissing off Vince; or they had him shack it up with Vickie Guerrero on Edge; and they actually did something with the character, then it could catch on and Venis' ring work can take over. It's not the character holding him back, it's that when the WWE could really use the character to show up and do something, it doesn't.

I'm glad Kane is getting a run on ECW. That's all I'm going to say. A return to his monstrous ways would be incredible, but he's a World Champion now. That's enough reason to be happy.

Coming out of WrestleMania, Finlay should have been like a non-drawing version of Stone Cold Steve Austin. He should have gotten the chance to kick JBL's ass, beat around Vince McMahon, and look like the Belfast bad-ass he can be. That Finlay is playing the happy-to-get-his-ass-kicked dad to Hornswoggle is quite depressing, really.

Big Show actually draws. He's also not bad for a guy as large as he is. He's felt pretty lost since the Mayweather thing.

William Regal seems to be on the way to the main event, but he's a similar case to Val Venis. The man is good on the mic, good in the ring, and generally enhances any match he is in. It's a shame it's taken so long to get him there.

Mr. Kennedy is the last guy who comes to mind. It's not all lost for Kennedy, and I'm not saying he should have been pushed to the moon three months into his WWE stint, but after winning Money in the Bank, Mr. Kennedy was where he should have been. He had been carrying Batista to good matches, and was a hot act in the WWE. Within a year of winning that Ladder Match, he should have been a World Champion. He was not. He's only a few months behind schedule, time-wise, but his act has lost a lot of heat with the injuries, suspensions and the like. His apparently fresh turn will hopefully make him a lot more interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So a list for those of you too dumb/lazy to read:

Chris Jericho
Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
Val Venis
Kane
Finlay
Big Show
William Regal
Mr. Kennedy

There are a lot of guys who could main event given a bit more time, maybe even as little as one big performance or one great promo (MVP, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito and even Elijah Burke come to mind), but right now, these are the only men that "as is" deserve to be main eventers, in my opinion.

[Gertner]

Morrison should be without a doubt

[Lux]

Anyone in this thread who even mentioned Punk should die instantly, Elijah and Shelton should team up because at this rate i need to see them together now, Morrison is god on legs and should get that fucking finisher, i swear he had that neck breaker type finisher, he stop using that? besides that i could care less

[Kane Knight]

I've never really said you hate Jericho. I once accused you of flip-flopping on the Jericho issue.

Noid Lies again.

[The Optimist]

Some guys are just made to be mid carders. There's nothing wrong with it.Well. Wrestling is a buisness and therefore contains competition. Midcard talent should be striving to become better, and ascend to Main Event status. Theoretically, people should be trying to get better, and then getting better at what they do and becoming good at what they suck at. None of the people who are at the cusp have done that. Benjamin still fucks up in weird ways (also charisma), Morrison has failed to capture the fans like he theoretically could, Jericho hasn't been trying, Jeff keeps putting himself at risk with drugs, Matt still can't really do anything with his promos. Its not that they can't become better, or that they never will. It's that they haven't. So they don't really deserve to be main eventers.

And to be more complete, Randy hasn't changed since his shitting in bags/rest hold/wooden promos days.

[Lux]

For one who posts under the name The Optimist thats a pretty Pessimistic veiw :nono:

[The Optimist]

Yeah, if I'm such an optimist I should just ignore reality.

Honestly, I'd get it changed but I don't know who to talk to about that, if anyone.

[Lux]

forum questions & suggestions...

http://www.tpww.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=13

good luck

[The Optimist]

I appreciate it.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, if I'm such an optimist I should just ignore reality.


It would be required. As much as I apprciate people trying to force a positive perspective, you have to be tripping or handicapped to do it.

[The CyNick]

Its so difficult to be a main eventer.

A lot of guys have talent, but would I trust them to draw me money? Probably not.

A guy like Matt Hardy is like that. I think he's a very good worker, understands the business, but I dont think he has the charisma to hold down a main event spot.

Jeff on the other hand, is less polished, and way more unreliable, but for whatever reason he really connects with the fans. So I would say he should be up there.

I only really watch the occasional episode of RAW these days, so I cant comments much on guys like CM Punk or John Morrison, and this Fetus guy I have never seen, dont know what he even looks like lol.

I do think Kennedy could be a top guy. He's got this arrogance about himself that really comes across well on TV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid Lies again.

I'm not a liar, KK. I never once accused you of disliking Jericho. I did accuse you of being inconsistent on the whole "save.us" issue. I can't exactly remember, because your posts on the issue didn't really interest me in the slightest, but I believe you made fun of people for making assumptions about the videos' "clues" and then criticized Jericho when the ratings didn't go up because of another "clue" in the video. That's as far as I ever touched on the subject.

KK goes to the straw-man and empty accusations again. This would actually make you the liar.

Also, man, please, "lies" should not have a capital. It just irks me when you do it because you claim you want to be a writer or something. I know you'll reply with bullshit like "Wow. You've Got nothing so you had to go to that Non-linear Approach," but that's just a dumb fucking defense for sloppiness. Everyone makes mistakes, but come on, man. For someone as "smart" as you seem to think you are, constantly condescending, you are pretty ignorant of a craft you apparently want to succeed in.

[Kane Knight]

I did accuse you of being inconsistent on the whole "save.us" issue.


Except, of course, I wasn't. When it was demonstrated that what you claimed I said was not what I was saying (And all it took was reading my posts), you continued to assert a lie.

But please, go to the typos.

I know you're jealous that I actually make money as a journalist while nobody even gives your poorly strung together shit a second thought, but come on. It looks petty, even for you.

[Kane Knight]

(And who's making empty accusations? My stance on Jericho was remarkably clear, and nothing you said was demonstrable. That's pretty empty...Hypocrite)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Its so difficult to be a main eventer.

A lot of guys have talent, but would I trust them to draw me money? Probably not.

A guy like Matt Hardy is like that. I think he's a very good worker, understands the business, but I dont think he has the charisma to hold down a main event spot.

Jeff on the other hand, is less polished, and way more unreliable, but for whatever reason he really connects with the fans. So I would say he should be up there.

I don't know about that, actually. It's good to see you making an appearance, by the way.

Matt Hardy's "Sensei of Mattitude" run really helped him overtake Jeff Hardy in almost every area. He was the better wrestler, the more reliable one, better on the mic, and if I remember, everyone loved the gimmick. It was good enough that the WWE moved Matt to RAW, turned him face, and fucked it up. I mean, if the WWE fucks it up, you know it's a good thing.

Also, there was that 2005 thing I mentioned, when Matt Hardy was the hottest topic in pro-wrestling. It's not like he only gets lukewarm reactions, either. The man gets far better reactions than he should, given how much the WWE has beaten him down on occasion. I mean, Jeff was a fireball earlier this year, and Matt isn't at that stage right now, but given some momentum and the WWE not fucking up a hot storyline with him, I don't see why he couldn't become the same.

I get what you're saying about Jeff Hardy, though. He was the "wackier" of the two, and his flipping off shit and odd style earned him a fan-base for life, and higher pitched squeals when he removes his shirt. I don't think there is a very large gap of popularity between the two, though.

Jeff gets in front because he flipped off more shit, and that gets people over. Then he fucks up, and the good brother again becomes the star pupil, and does really well for himself, until something fucks him up, and then Jeff flips off more shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

John Morrison's split-legged corkscrew moonsault is fucking amazing, by the way. If he could hit that (I'm sure it's one of those spots that is destined to miss save for the occasional big match "connecting" of the move), then it could definitely pass as an awesome finisher.

[The CyNick]

I don't know about that, actually. It's good to see you making an appearance, by the way.

Matt Hardy's "Sensei of Mattitude" run really helped him overtake Jeff Hardy in almost every area. He was the better wrestler, the more reliable one, better on the mic, and if I remember, everyone loved the gimmick. It was good enough that the WWE moved Matt to RAW, turned him face, and fucked it up. I mean, if the WWE fucks it up, you know it's a good thing.

Also, there was that 2005 thing I mentioned, when Matt Hardy was the hottest topic in pro-wrestling. It's not like he only gets lukewarm reactions, either. The man gets far better reactions than he should, given how much the WWE has beaten him down on occasion. I mean, Jeff was a fireball earlier this year, and Matt isn't at that stage right now, but given some momentum and the WWE not fucking up a hot storyline with him, I don't see why he couldn't become the same.

I get what you're saying about Jeff Hardy, though. He was the "wackier" of the two, and his flipping off shit and odd style earned him a fan-base for life, and higher pitched squeals when he removes his shirt. I don't think there is a very large gap of popularity between the two, though.

Jeff gets in front because he flipped off more shit, and that gets people over. Then he fucks up, and the good brother again becomes the star pupil, and does really well for himself, until something fucks him up, and then Jeff flips off more shit.


Dont get me wrong, I like Matt, there's just something about him that doesnt work for me.

I remember after they decided to go forward with the Edge program, I thought he might have a ton of steam behind him. And even though the WWE did very little to take advantage of the sympathy he had, he still came across to me as #2 against Edge. And I'm not even talking about who got the better of matches and stuff, I just thought Edge did his job better than Matt.

Now, I hear a lot of good things about the program with him and MVP, but I havent seen any of it to say one way or the other. I can say though, that when I see MVP, I see another guy who has the star aura, and I could see him headlining.

Its wierd, some guys are just not cut out to be headliners. They are great workers, great at everything they do, but they cant get over that last hurdle. Thats how I personally see Matt.

[Kane Knight]

Matt could have been huge coming out of that program. Whether you liked it or not, people ate it up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Except, of course, I wasn't. When it was demonstrated that what you claimed I said was not what I was saying (And all it took was reading my posts), you continued to assert a lie.

But please, go to the typos.

I know you're jealous that I actually make money as a journalist while nobody even gives your poorly strung together shit a second thought, but come on. It looks petty, even for you.

I honestly had no clue you were a journalist? How could I be jealous? KK lies again. :roll:

I also love the way people tout off that they are a journalist likes it actually means something. My ex-girlfriend makes a living as a journalist. She's not a "writer." She struggles to string affluent sentences together. She's not even an intellectual. She worked hard to get into a different field, ended up in journalism because it was the last "smart thing" left, and she got programmed to meet the standards of her field. Contrary to your self-congratulatory tone, being a journalist in and of itself means nothing. I've never read or heard of anything you've ever written, and probably never will. Your importance as a journalist rests only between your own ears.

You misread the reactions many of the people on this board had to Jericho not returning sooner. They understood that Jericho had to get into ring shape, they understood that the WWE was milking it, and that they would eventually get Jericho on their television screens. Markish disappointment was voiced when theories were formulated from the clues in the video, and they didn't mark the date.

You're not very good at reading people, I know (your assumptions made about me are quite off, and really create an irony that you will never know -- but how could you?), but you were missing both the people around here's perspective, and the WWE's perspective. The WWE were teasing the waters with Jericho. They wanted people to think he was returning at Cyber Sunday, and the like. They likely slipped those clues in there on purpose, with the intention of them being read like that. Your accusations that people set themselves up for disappointment, and that people only have themselves to blame for playfully getting involved in the angle, is naive.

Maybe I misread you. Maybe that's because you're a crappy writer. But I saw you shitting over the return of Jericho from a drawing standpoint because it was apparently "obvious" he was returning that week. Any good journalist would know how to put themselves in the shoes of other people, and look at the community's approach. Some of them had no clue it was Jericho, and a lot didn't have a clue how to take the information they were being presented. Stupid? Irrelevant. As a journalist you should know most people are stupid, and that a lot of journalists are stupid. My nephew, not the brightest spark, but savvy to the goings-on of the WWE, was surprised and excited when Jericho showed up. I'm not arguing whether or not Chris Jericho is a draw, I'm just saying that you judging Jericho's drawing power based solely on his return night, and assuming that everyone who was going to find out about his return knew about it at that point, was absurd. And consequently, that you criticising people for finding clues that were false (mostly out of good fun), and then claiming the clue before Jericho's return to be conclusive of absolute certainty inconclusive.

Also, it is typical for someone to defend their misuse of the English language as a "typo." Journalists I know can't write for shit. They know the structure an article should take, and they have the style hammered into their brain, but they were never forced to learn how to actually write, so the substance of their writing extends no further than what a doctor could produce.

It's one thing to label yourself a journalist, but it is another to label yourself a writer. Some can do both, but I doubt you are in that category. Fuck, I doubt you are even a good journalist. If you are successful, my apologies. But at last we have an answer to the question of where the forced wit and humour comes from.

By the way, nice straw-man tactic by comparing your outside career to my TPWW wasted writings, whilst being completely ignorant of my life outside this here fine establishment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and I don't expect you to read all that. Couldn't care less. As I said, I've never written anything professional you've ever written, so until then, you mean nothing to me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dont get me wrong, I like Matt, there's just something about him that doesnt work for me.

I remember after they decided to go forward with the Edge program, I thought he might have a ton of steam behind him. And even though the WWE did very little to take advantage of the sympathy he had, he still came across to me as #2 against Edge. And I'm not even talking about who got the better of matches and stuff, I just thought Edge did his job better than Matt.

Now, I hear a lot of good things about the program with him and MVP, but I havent seen any of it to say one way or the other. I can say though, that when I see MVP, I see another guy who has the star aura, and I could see him headlining.

Its wierd, some guys are just not cut out to be headliners. They are great workers, great at everything they do, but they cant get over that last hurdle. Thats how I personally see Matt.

That's fair enough, but I disagree with your interpretation. I think Matt Hardy looked like the star until the WWE squashed all his momentum at Summerslam. It was honestly one of the shittiest booking decisions the WWE could have made in the situation. Matt Hardy should have pummeled Edge into a pulp, getting himself disqualified, but getting the satisfying moral victory, and as a lead-up to the Steel Cage Match between the two.

You did make mention of that WWE not taking true advantage of the situation, but I think that is the only reason it didn't work. Matt Hardy was a sensation at the time, and if capitilsed on, it could have been a lot more successful.

I do get what you mean about Matt seeming like a mid-carder, though. I don't think Hardy should be limited, but I can understand how one would look at it that way. He's a former tag team guy, he doesn't have an epic frame to him, and he's not a genius on the mic. He's grown from nothing, and it's expected that most guys only grow so far.

[Kane Knight]

I've referred to myself as a journalist several times, a few in direct response to you. Yeah, it's so unfathomable that I would actually expect you to know what you're talking about after you've been told. :lol:

But this goes to the heart of an argument BDC and I have had over the past couple of days. He thinks you're too stupid to actually lie, and that the falsehoods you spout are because you're not bright enough to understand. I think, on the other hand, that you lie with deliberate intent.

So perhaps you can settle this for us: Are you lying, or just too stupid to understand the facts which are presented?