Korn is simply awful

[BigDaddyCool]

I've never really liked the band to begin with, but god damnit, they are bad. I was getting some taco bell for lunch and the local rock station, 98.9 the Rock does a 4 in a row lunch block of rock. Today was Korn. They are simply an awful band. Johnathan Davis relies way to heavily on making funny sounds and a growly voice to cover up his weak sing abilities. And the band, well you know a band sucks when ever song is in Drop D and there is keyboards.

Discuss.

[Requiem]

Yeah, pretty much one of the worst bands around. I absolutely hate them.. if they ever come on the radio even in someone else's car I am like "Fuck this.." and change the station. Can't believe I ever used to somewhat like them when I was back in school. If I could go back in time like mentioned in Supreme's thread, I would go back in time and punch myself in the face for ever listening to them.

[thedamndest]

I think they play even lower than drop D.

[Zen v.W.o.]

we gonna wake up hate, we gonna fuck you up!

[D Mac]

Blind was a kickass song tho.

[El Fangel]

I personally only ever liked Twisted Transistor

[D Mac]

ARE YOU READYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Their first 2 cds (Korn and Life is Peachy) were good, Follow the Leader wasn't bad... The rest are fucking awful.

[Rammsteinmad]

Got their first five albums, but never really liked them. Every song is the same... I've always said that, but there's always some Korn fan waiting to defend them.

Actually, I remember reading this "Top 100 Guitarists" list somewhere, where Korn's guitarists were like 50 or whatever, and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) was 51. Fuck that if you don't know who Petrucci is listen to some Dream Theater. No way is he beneath the fucking Korn guitarists.

[El Fangel]

Got their first five albums, but never really liked them. Every song is the same... I've always said that, but there's always some Korn fan waiting to defend them.

Actually, I remember reading this "Top 100 Guitarists" list somewhere, where Korn's guitarists were like 50 or whatever, and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) was 51. Fuck that if you don't know who Petrucci is listen to some Dream Theater. No way is he beneath the fucking Korn guitarists.

Either that was a typo with the 5 in front of the 1, or the person making the list was on crack.

Also I hate when people say my favorite band is a Korn rip-off, makes me want to punch them in the throat.

[Fabien Barthez]

They are pretty simplistic, but i'm OK with that if sounds cool. Early Korn does sound cool. Makes me bounce my head. I don't always need 3 and a half minutes of musical genius.

[BigDaddyCool]

Got their first five albums, but never really liked them. Every song is the same... I've always said that, but there's always some Korn fan waiting to defend them.

Actually, I remember reading this "Top 100 Guitarists" list somewhere, where Korn's guitarists were like 50 or whatever, and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) was 51. Fuck that if you don't know who Petrucci is listen to some Dream Theater. No way is he beneath the fucking Korn guitarists.

Were the Top 10 on the list all Kerry King?

[Rammsteinmad]

Only if Rob Flynn made the list.

[BigDaddyCool]

So yeah, that list is crap, do don't worry about it. BTW, who is Dream Theater, and why should I care?

[Kris P Lettus]

I have a few of their shits on my PSP.. Def love their Ice Cube cover of Wicked..

[Destor]

One of the worst bands to make it big of all time.

[Destor]

...maybe the Stones or Kiss, but they're up there.

[Tommy Gunn]

I think they peaked in 99 with Issues and ever since have become a complete failure.

[Rammsteinmad]

So yeah, that list is crap, do don't worry about it. BTW, who is Dream Theater, and why should I care?

You don't really have to care. All I'm saying is that Korn's guitarists were rated higher than John Petrucci, who is arguably one of the best guitarists today, and has a billion times more talent than both Korn guitarists combined.

[Rammsteinmad]

But if you need an example, try and find a Dream Theater song called "The Glass Prison", or a Liquid Tension Experiment song called "Acid Rain" (Also featuring Petrucci)... let's see if Korns guys can play that.

[Rammsteinmad]

I think they peaked in 99 with Issues and ever since have become a complete failure.

I remember those days well... everyone had a Korn hoody back then and were all doodling that doll or whatever... But I guess at the time the music reflected a lot of the youngsters "Nobody cares about me, and I don't care about them, fuck the world" kinda attitude.

[Vastardikai]

The best Korn song ever was "Falling to Pieces."

Too bad that it was actually done by Faith No More, and was used as the template for EVERY Korn song.

[Blasted]

Korn was ok during their first 3 albums, then they just went to shit. Still one or two songs I listen to, Blind and another I cant remember the name of

[El Fangel]

Alot of Korn songs really do sound the same now that I think about it.

Not too surprised to be honest.

[therocksays]

korn doesnt suck. only album i didnt care for and sucked was issues.

destor? KISS and rolling stones awful? are you on fucking drugs kid?

just a question.

[BigDaddyCool]

Destor is on meth.

[therocksays]

lol

[Requiem]

...maybe the Stones or Kiss, but they're up there.

How controversial. I like it. :cool:

[BigDaddyCool]

That wasn't a joke.

[Destor]

They all suck something awful.

[The Mask]

surely it's are, not is. why do people refer to bands as is. they are a collective of people, thus are. solo artists are allowed is, like elton john.

elton john is awful would be correct, in many different ways.

[Destor]

The Mask are simply awful

[The Mask]

they must be. no way a band could live up to my great name.

[Kane Knight]

People just hate on Korn now that it's cool to do so...:roll:
I think they play even lower than drop D.

Drop A, I believe.

They are pretty simplistic, but i'm OK with that if sounds cool. Early Korn does sound cool. Makes me bounce my head. I don't always need 3 and a half minutes of musical genius.

Or any sort of talent at all, apparently.

I have a few of their shits on my PSP.. Def love their Ice Cube cover of Wiggered..

[Kane Knight]

surely it's are, not is. why do people refer to bands as is. they are a collective of people, thus are. solo artists are allowed is, like elton john.

elton john is awful would be correct, in many different ways.

It's grammatically correct to refer to a entity like a band as a single being.

[The Mask]

but why. it sounds ridiculous, to me at least.

[Kane Knight]

Doesn't sound ridiculous to me. Anyway, the important thing is that the Rolling Stones suck, and I lost fifty pounds on the Destor diet.!

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC hates thing regardless of it being cool.

[Destor]

I think we need more discusion on how terrible the Stones and/or Kiss are if you ask me.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, it wasn't aimed at you.

[Fabien Barthez]

Anyone who questions their talent, is a simpleton. They are a good band, just clearly not to everyones taste. Whatever. They are good musicians though.

[Kane Knight]

LOL. Oh Man, Fabe, that was hilarious.

...Wait...You were serious, weren't you?

:nono:

[ron the dial]

i used to rock the fuck out to korn.

[Fabien Barthez]

What makes them untalented then? The fact they were a cornerstone in a breaking genre? The original drum patterns, that JD writes, that are as good as anything any other rock band puts out? Fieldy being one of the most intrquette bass players in metal? Munky creating a guitar sound, pretty much unlike any other around?

You choose, I will ignore the answer anyway.


I mean, I have worked with loads of actual, recording, working musicians. I don't know if any of them would discount Korn as untalented.

But what would they know, ya know.... compared to you?

[ron the dial]

you forget that kane knight knows all and is never wrong.

[Kane Knight]

What makes them untalented then? The fact they were a cornerstone in a breaking genre? The original drum patterns, that JD writes, that are as good as anything any other rock band puts out? Fieldy being one of the most intrquette bass players in metal? Munky creating a guitar sound, pretty much unlike any other around?

You chose, I will ignore the answer anyway.


I mean, I have worked with loads of actual, recording, working musicians. I don't know if any of them would discount Korn as untalented.

But what would they know, ya know.... compared to you?

Wow. Talk about your strawman. I didn't know you'd get that butthurt over it. But to have to lie to defend a strawman because you're that offended...

If I placate you by pretending that the things you just said were all true...Will you stop whining? Can we go back to being friends again?

[Fabien Barthez]

you forget that kane knight knows all and is never wrong.

Well, he's disguising that well in here.


Wow. Talk about your strawman. I didn't know you'd get that butthurt over it. But to have to lie to defend a strawman because you're that offended...

If I placate you by pretending that the things you just said were all true...Will you stop whining? Can we go back to being friends again?

An 'intelligent' man who cannot seem to differenciate between (misplaced) opinion and fact.

Unless you are actually THAT egotistical?

[Kane Knight]

By the way, it took like six records and nearly a decade for the bassist to learn how to play clean notes. It took me six weeks. I may not be an intricate bassist, but I know how to actually play and hold a note.

Founding a genre that doesn't really entail anything, such as nu metal, is not an accomplishment. Especially when said genre is widely accepted as a catchall for people who couldn't play real metal. It would be an accomplishment if it had been something where there wasn't such disparity within the "founding groups" or even within the definitions of the genre. They made it up so they could sell artists that would have been assraped by metal fans.

Original drum patterns...Ummm...Yeah. Are you high? Definitely not as good as any other rock band puts out. You could chalk that up to opinion, but I listen to music from a technical standpoint as well as entertainment and musicianship. But the "original" line is just...Wrong.

Oh look. Creating anew guitar sound. Another lie. No wonder you will ignore the answers...They don't hold up to any scrutiny.

But if I ignore all that and pretend it's not ironic that you called me a simpleton, will you still be my friend? :lol:

[Fabien Barthez]

The drumming is mostly more original than the flat 4/4 coming out of everything else, especially in the middle 90's when Korn took off.

The guitar did sound unique to the Korn sound.

I don't even know what you are talking about regarding the bassist.


They still aren't untalented, no matter how you butter it. As far as details, its all opinion. My argument here is you just state something you don't enjoy as talentless, and put it out like fact, not opinion.


We will be friends for ever, man. Just bickering away in our old age, on rocking chairs, on a deck in the middle of Nowhere, USA. :D

[ron the dial]

listen i loved korn as much as the next guy but they most certainly were not original or unique in any sense.

[Fabien Barthez]

If you can recognise the sound of their songs as Korn songs, without knowing for sure in advance, then I would argue that they do have a degree of a unique sound.... The same can be said for most of the bands who seem to offer nothing, but you can tell it's them within 2 seconds of hearing it on the radio.

[Kane Knight]

listen i loved korn as much as the next guy but they most certainly were not original or unique in any sense.

And when the lynch pin of your argument is based on their originality and creativity....

[Kane Knight]

If you can recognise the sound of their songs as Korn songs, without knowing for sure in advance, then I would argue that they do have a degree of a unique sound.... The same can be said for most of the bands who seem to offer nothing, but you can tell it's them within 2 seconds of hearing it on the radio.

To borrow a line from the Incredibles, if everyone is super...Then no-one is.

If the same can be said of almost anyone who has nothing to offer, then it is not anything that really constitutes a feather in the cap of Korn.

[Fabien Barthez]

No, my argument was they are not untalented, and your opinion isn't fact.

Your argument was that they aren't original or creative.



And who's talking about a feather in the cap? I was just making a valid point. Also it goes without saying that the bands you do feel have something to offer are unique in sound.

[Kane Knight]

It's a valid point, but so is "They have a guitarist." Doesn't change how totally useless the point is.

Most of your counterargument went on to talk about how creative and unique they were. that's the only, and I repeat only reason I started to refute it. Don't lie, it's unbecoming. You were bringing up their sound and style as part of your strawman as to how they were talented after all. Why blame me because you brought up shit that was so plainly bullshit? Or, alternatively, empty and useless (You can pck them out on the radio...Just like everyone else)?

You spewed bullshit about being a groundbreaking artist in a new genre, also worthless. Very little of what you said actually had to do with their talent, if you're now trying to separate creativity and individuality from the argument (Though, again, you brought them up, and you say your argument is based on their talent).

So...Stripped away, you don't have much of an affirmative argument made for talent.

[Fabien Barthez]

you don't have one the other way. Which is why you chose to disect my points, instead of telling me why you are right in your opinion. which I still hold to. They are creative and talented. In my eyes, and millions others. I am not pretending to speak on behalf of other people here, but these are my opinions. Nu Metal happened, and for a few years, it was massive. Kickstarting that is a huge achievement. the critisism of Nu Metal being a poor mans metal were always going to happen... but who cares? Listen to something. Like it, or don't. It is meant to be what it sounds like. You can talk it into oblivion, but it will still sound the same.

So tell me why they are talentless?

[ron the dial]

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[BigDaddyCool]

I don't believe anyone has been able to prove the Korn is not awful. BDC wins.

[Kane Knight]

The original comment was intentionally simplistic. Saying that you don't need any sort of talent, that is. However, I've heard Korn live on several occasions, including boots my friends have played for me, and they have trouble with rhythm and even keeping in tune live. You know, simplistic stuff.

Beyond that, their bassist did take ten years or so to learn how to play clean. Already mentioned that.

But you know, you put forth really stupid comments in place of an argument for them actually being talented. Now you're complaining that I essentially "took the bait" and addressed what you said, which was ridiculously stupid. You can complain I'm confusing facts and opinions, but I'm not. I'm looking at this mechanically, whereas your argument seems to be "I like them, so they're talented, unique, and innovative."

Really, it's great that they can be cleaned up in the studio, which appears to involve a lot of post production, and it's great that you like them. I own everything up to Issues, so it's not like I'm saying that I hate the band. But You're either playing with a looser definition of talented than I am, or your intentionally blinding yourself based on liking the band in question. From your comments on them being unique and groundbreaking, I'd place you in rabid fanboy territory.

And that's fine, except you're trying to argue fanaticism against realiy.

[Kane Knight]

I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind.

*sniff* Innovative lyrics, too...

[Fabien Barthez]

I don't really like them that much. I still stand by all I've said, no matter how many paragraphs of self mitigation and disection of every word written you write.

[The Mask]

used to like them. i even kind of liked a few things on issues. after that i couldn't give a shit less though. that y'all wanna single thing was the biggest pile of bollocks i've ever heard. and jonathon david looks fucking ridiculous these days, what with going bald and still having huge dreadlocks. wanker.

[Kane Knight]

I don't really like them that much. I still stand by all I've said, no matter how many paragraphs of self mitigation and disection of every word written you write.

Yes. You stand by it, no matter how badly your argument is decimated. Good for you, I guess?

[Kane Knight]

Also, if you don't like them that much, why are you making up some patently ridiculous shit like in their defense? It's dumb even if you're a rabid fanboy, but if you don't even like them that much...Why?

[Fabien Barthez]

So you could disect every word written.

Duh.

Frankly, you talk too much.

[Vastardikai]

The best Korn song ever was "Falling to Pieces."

Too bad that it was actually done by Faith No More, and was used as the template for EVERY Korn song.

For the clod who keeps saying Korn is "Unique."

Why do you think Mike Bordin (sp?) played for Korn while their original guy was out? Because the Korn drummer plays EXACTLY like him. Guess the band Mike played in? Faith No More.

Also, the shitty bassist's insistence on slapping is kind of a homage to FNM's bassist (who played that style as well as clean.)

Biggest bastardization comes from the guitarists (now guitarist) who can't even string Jim Martin's guitars, let alone play as well as him. What's the point of having 7-string guitars when you only play two of them?

And Davis doesn't even pretend to have the vocal range of Mike Patton, who is perhaps one of the best singers in Rock.

In essence: Faith No More - Good Singer - good guitar players + track suits = Korn.

[Ninti the Mad]

I like a couple of their songs. Its nothing meaningful but it sounds alright when you are in the mood for angry music I guess you can call it. And, yes, the drumming is pretty awesome which is something I look for in music.

HOWEVER, ROLLING STONES AWFUL?????? BULLLLLLLLLLLSHITTTTTTT