Cena "spoiler"

[taker707]

Speaking of the draft (and this is a MAJOR spoiler that I haven't yet touched on), the word is John Cena is definitely headed to WWE SmackDown!. I'm going to have an EXCLUSIVE update on WrestleZone Radio this Tuesday night at 9EST. This is the last time you'll hear of this big story until the radio show on Tuesday night so ya' better listen!


Please god let this be true . Cena on Raw = Blah

[Theo Dious]

Wow, Cena's getting demoted to Smackdown?

He and his family will be dead within a week. :nono:

[ClockShot]

Wait a minute, YOU'RE BOONE!?

[Kane Knight]

Wait a minute, YOU'RE BOONE!?

That would explain a lot.

[MCEazy]

thank fuking god if this is true, Cena free monday's = :D

[taker707]

thank fuking god if this is true, Cena free monday's = :D

for sure

[Mr. Nerfect]

This would be a very good move. I've been saying that for ages. And I am a fan of SmackDown!, so it's not because it would mean "Cena-free RAWs."

The positives of moving John Cena to SmackDown!:

1. The MyNetwork TV move
John Cena is pretty much considered the biggest star in the WWE, even though he has seemingly been less the main focus of WWE programming on RAW recently. Moving Cena to SmackDown! in time for the move to their new home serves a double-purpose. First of all, it puts a big star on SmackDown!, which will make the show's advertising a lot easier, and it also serves as a big fuck you to the CW Network. "You get rid of us, well we'll just start trying when we're going elsewhere."

Triple H or Shawn Michaels would be other examples of stars they could move, but it has been reported quite thoroughly that these two men are very comfortable on RAW, and won't agree to the move. John Cena has been a company man that would do whatever is asked of him. If he were asked to go to SmackDown!, Cena would do so and he'd do it with gusto, I believe.

2. The show is taped
A live crowd will always mean boos for Cena, unless they change something dramatically. The WWE are probably not going to do that, and even then, it's a gamble. Cena being on SmackDown! means he will be on a taped show, where the WWE can at least edit out the boos, and replace them with cheers. It's dishonest, but it's a possibility. A lot of the Cena heat has been a growing thing since it began. People boo, people hear others booing, people are like "well, he does suck, so I'll join in." When booing Cena becomes futile, because the WWE doesn't let the heat filter through, people may stop doing it.

3. SmackDown! is the "wrestling show"
John Cena does not suck in the ring. In OVW, and when he debuted on SmackDown!, wrestling was actually his strong point. People used to say "he's good in the ring, but he needs personality." Funny, huh? Matches are generally longer on SmackDown!, with shit rarely going for three minutes. This is a positive, because it may encourage Cena to go back to using that technical style a lot more, and actually putting on a good show. A lot of smarks would see his work, agree that he has "improved," and the dislike of him would slowly subside.

Combine that element with #2, and you've got the anti-Cena heat dying down quite a bit. This is assuming they don't just move Cena over to SmackDown! and change the show to be CenaJohn!.

4. Michael Hayes is the writer
He is a wrestler's writer. Let's hope he doesn't right Cena's dialog, or else the wigger shit will start coming back, and Mark Henry will go cry, but Hayes is generally has more understanding of the business than say, Brian Gerwitz. I'm sure Hayes would not force Cena as much, would let him write his own promos, encourage him to become more of a human character, and something that wrestling fans can relate to. He'll also put Cena in the ring with guys who can get the best out of Cena, and not just "monsters of the month.

5. He's doing pretty much fuck all on RAW
Recently it's seemed like Cena is more a supporting player than he used to be. He's not in a "real feud." His stuff with JBL felt thrown together because they needed both main event guys to do something. The main event has been focused on Triple H and Randy Orton, and with Shawn Michaels still around on RAW, Chris Jericho with a new heel character, Mr. Kennedy with a new face charcter, and Jeff Hardy seemingly still with internal support, it's going to be a bit of a mess. It's seem like Cena's time on RAW is up, and his time somewhere else is now.

6. It'd be a big move
The draft needs some big moves to make it seem like a real "shake-up." This can be hard to do, especially with the main event being such a focus that no one cares about the mid-card, so moving Carlito will likely get crickets, instead of the positive/negative reaction from the crowd it should. You've also got these same main event players sticking their heels into the ground, and refusing to move. John Cena moving to SmackDown! is a move that would definitely shock people, be felt on each show, and be possible without upsetting egos.

[Mr. Nerfect]

John Cena chasing after the World Heavyweight Championship is also fresher than John Cena chasing after the World Heavyweight Championship. You know, considering Cena has never won the big gold belt. Let's just hope he doesn't alter the belt when he wins it. That would show a huge maturing of the character, and would be a visual that might subconsciously calm down the heat on Cena.

Then we can change back the WWE Championship, and have two respectably looking belts representing World Titles.

The only negative I can think of with moving Cena, is that RAW loses the "franchise player" of the WWE. Then there are those who will feel the purity of SmackDown! is ruined by having Cena on it, but even though it may be an adjustment, I think Cena will eventually fit into SmackDown!, and not vice versa.

[taker707]

The draft is before the PPV lets all hope with the Cena move . Jeff Hardy moves into his spot as he does have a victory over the wwe champ

[Outsider]

What are the bets Batista, Undertaker, Edge and MVP all move to RAW to balance things out?

[Destor]

Let SD! keep Bats...:shifty:

[The Mackem]

So the way to 'show' CW network is to give them a big fuck you and say now we are going to try? I bet CW are probably feeling vindicated in their decision.

[MCEazy]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Jeff Hardy on smackdown.

[Pardeep 619]

You know, considering Cena has never won the big gold belt. Let's just hope he doesn't alter the belt when he wins it.

WWE would probably change it if that happens

[Pardeep 619]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Jeff Hardy on drugs.

[Legend Killer]

Well, maybe they will send Edge to Raw and Cena with the belt on SmackDown. But props to SmackDown if they do pick him up.

[Destor]

Dunno.

1) Do we really need to have Cena get the strap right now?
2) double title draft has been done already.
3) Edge and Cena have really great chemestry and that could be your M.E. fued whilst Taker is gone.,..

Dunno

[Legend Killer]

Yes the double title draft has been done before, but so has Cena and Edge. But yeah, who knows?

[Destor]

Yeah I know, also I in no way beleive this to be true.

[RP]

I'm of the opinion that if WWE/ Vince actually wanted to do more then just sell Cena T-shirts and action figures, they would have cashed in on a potential massive heel turn for Cena by now. But there product is stale. There ratings are dropping and Cena merchandise to the marks = way too much of a cash cow to wanna turn him heel and risk losing money.

[Rob]

Cena is NOT going to Smackdown. For a start, he is main eventing Summerslam against Triple-H.

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL I can't believe you tards are actually believing this.

[Kane Knight]

Well, maybe they will send Edge to Raw and Cena with the belt on SmackDown. But props to SmackDown if they do pick him up.

So they're going to take a guy who can't get over as a face and trade him for a guy who can't get over as a heel?

Keep Edge on Smackdown. He needs the edited crowds.

But Cena's not moving. Really. They're not going to take the big merch mover off the show people still watch. 15 people, mind...

[Theo Dious]

LOL I can't believe you tards are actually believing this.

I can't believe it's been just under a year and my insensitive Benoit jokes are already being ignored.

[Kane Knight]

3. SmackDown! is the "wrestling show"
John Cena does not suck in the ring. In OVW, and when he debuted on SmackDown!, wrestling was actually his strong point. People used to say "he's good in the ring, but he needs personality." Funny, huh? Matches are generally longer on SmackDown!, with shit rarely going for three minutes. This is a positive, because it may encourage Cena to go back to using that technical style a lot more, and actually putting on a good show. A lot of smarks would see his work, agree that he has "improved," and the dislike of him would slowly subside.

Combine that element with #2, and you've got the anti-Cena heat dying down quite a bit. This is assuming they don't just move Cena over to SmackDown! and change the show to be CenaJohn!.

See, that's the problem right there. It's assuming that they won't do what they most certainly will do (Or, I should say, would, if they actually would move Cena off the fagship show***). That's kind of like saying "Assuming this shark doesn't pick up on my blood in the water and turn me into fish food, I should be able to ride it back to shore."

Besides, majority opinion of Cena isn't going to change unless he is radically booked different, not just "unless he wrestles more." Ignoring the fact that the "Wrestling Show" features ME guys who don't do a lot of wrestling as their big stars (Taker puts on a good show when he wants to, but mostly doesn't, and almost never wrestles on TV, Bats isn't exactly known for being a ring technician), Cena is mostly getting booed for the way he's booked: Bland, babyface, SuperCena, who comes out on top no matter what, makes shitty jokes, and who is treated like his shit don't stink.

They're not going to change that on Smackdown for the same reason they haven't changed it on Raw. They think that the benefits of merchandise outweigh the detriment of lower ratings, buyrates, and more fans booing. And they're right--In the short term at the very least. And I doubt that most smarktards are going to change their opinion as long as the phrase "SPOILER: CENA WINS" still applies.

Cena could be over with the Main Event "5 moves of doom," But his matches have to be entertaining for that to happen. Which means they have to rebook him. Which means they have to change the formula they think is making him money (Cena could be changed and still marketed to kids, but hey...), they have to reconize there's a problem, and they have to know the solution. Of those last two, they've isolated the problem, but as you can easily see, they cannot save their flagship show's ratings...So there's no reason they'd pick the right choice with Cena.

And that's still assuming they'd actually move him, which kind of flies in the face of all things we know are probable. We'd be as likely to see Triple H moved to Smackdown. You know, legit, instead of some swerve where half the locker room is traded to get him back to Raw.



***Not a typo.

[Xero]

That would be like Triple H wanting to move to SmackDown!...

As long as RAW is the flagship Vince would NEVER move his top star anywhere else.

Would it be good for SmackDown!? Of course. But it won't happen.

Thing is, I'd probably start watching SmackDown! if Hunter moved there, but again, won't happen.

[Theo Dious]

You guys are forgetting something.

Suppose this is HHH's idea, and he wants Cena off his show.

Puts things in a different light, eh?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not expecting it to happen, per se, but I'm not going to be surprised if it does. Cena does whatever is asked of him. The company is not going to have a hard time convincing him to head over, ala Triple H.

I think the biggest thing going against this happening, is actually RAW doing shit in the ratings. Vince probably won't ship away any major stars, and just import the ones he can without leaving SmackDown!/ECW with Funaki main eventing.

[Kane Knight]

You guys are forgetting something.

Suppose this is HHH's idea, and he wants Cena off his show.

Puts things in a different light, eh?

Not really, no.

[NYDon]

Cena should definitely go over and win the Big Gold Belt from Edge.

[Theo Dious]

Not really, no.

In terms of it being possible, not in terms of it being any good.

[SammyG]

No fucking way Cena gets moved to SD!

[Heyman]

Speaking of the draft (and this is a MAJOR spoiler that I haven't yet touched on), the word is John Cena is definitely headed to WWE SmackDown!. I'm going to have an EXCLUSIVE update on WrestleZone Radio this Tuesday night at 9EST. This is the last time you'll hear of this big story until the radio show on Tuesday night so ya' better listen!


Please god let this be true . Cena on Raw = Blah

Whether people want to admit it or not, John Cena is the biggest name in the WWE right now. Since RAW is the 'flagship' of the WWE, it would be a STUPID move on the WWE's part to send Cena to Smackdown. However - I would like to Dave Batista and Undertaker move to RAW. Umaga and someone like Jeff Hardy can move to Smackdown (both men of which will be serious main-eventers on that show).

I'd also like ECW to be dropped once and for all, but I doubt that will happen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

John Cena has been moved back, though. Quite dramatically. I'd never have expected the man to lose at WrestleMania, but not only that, he took the pin. Focus was definitely on Triple H and Randy Orton. Then William Regal got a bit of a push, and I think that Triple H was settled on feuding with Regal over the WWE Title, and possibly even dropping it to him, and doing an Austin/McMahon thing with Regal's power and Triple H's chase for the title.

I don't really think Cena fits into any of the WWE's biggest plans. Cena challenging for the WWE Championship now feels like a decision based on convenience more than anything. Plus, it has been foreshadowed by Cena himself that one of them could be drafted away.

Cena no longer feels like the WWE's "biggest star," and they've seemingly accepted (somewhat) that they are pushing him too hard. I'm not saying he will go to SmackDown!, but I don't think it is impossible.

Also, KK, I agreed with you at first, but now all reports indicate that Edge is actually very over as a heel. You're wrong about the edited crowd.

[Innovator]

Edge is awesome

[James Steele]

Kane Knight will mention how all of WWE is edited. We all faces get piped in cheers and all heels get piped in boos. Nobody gets real fan reactions anymore because WWE is horrible and only sheeple watch and he knows this because he obsessively posts on a wrestling forum.

[RP]

Smackdown or Raw, Cena wins

[The Mackem]

Boobs

[Xero]

John Cena is a Wigga

[Xero]

John Cena has been moved back, though. Quite dramatically. I'd never have expected the man to lose at WrestleMania, but not only that, he took the pin. Focus was definitely on Triple H and Randy Orton. Then William Regal got a bit of a push, and I think that Triple H was settled on feuding with Regal over the WWE Title, and possibly even dropping it to him, and doing an Austin/McMahon thing with Regal's power and Triple H's chase for the title.

I don't really think Cena fits into any of the WWE's biggest plans. Cena challenging for the WWE Championship now feels like a decision based on convenience more than anything. Plus, it has been foreshadowed by Cena himself that one of them could be drafted away.

Cena no longer feels like the WWE's "biggest star," and they've seemingly accepted (somewhat) that they are pushing him too hard. I'm not saying he will go to SmackDown!, but I don't think it is impossible.

Also, KK, I agreed with you at first, but now all reports indicate that Edge is actually very over as a heel. You're wrong about the edited crowd.
You're aware that he's filming a movie at the moment, right?

It's not so much as they want to shift the focus from him (which they shouldn't) but he can't keep up a 100% full main event schedule AND film a movie at the same time.

I'm sure he'll be back at the very top by the beginning of the build to SummerSlam.

[Kane Knight]

For the record, being very over right now doesn't change much, since Lit...Errr...Vicky is the one who seems to be gathering most of his heat for him.

In terms of it being possible, not in terms of it being any good.

No, it really doesn't. Or, I should say, not in any meaningful sense. It doesn't change the fact that Vince thinks he's the man, that's he's the merch mover, or that he's considered the public face of WWE.

Trips' politicking is powerful, but you have to accept that there are some things he's not going to out-politic. and that's why he's been so "gracious" regarding Cena...Like any good sociopath.

[Heyman]

Trips' politicking is powerful, but you have to accept that there are some things he's not going to out-politic. and that's why he's been so "gracious" regarding Cena...Like any good sociopath.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'll say one thing - my attitude is the same NOW as it was back in 2004 (i.e. when I used to debate back and forth with CyNick in regards to Triple H).

Yes, Triple H is a bastard.....but don't you dare point the finger at him. Triple H is simply a guy that is looking out for his best interests. Period.

If you want to point the finger at someone, point the finger at Vince McMahon and WWE management. THEY (and only THEY) are the ones that are responsible for Triple H's behavior...and other double standards. THEY are the ones that allow HIM to get away with it.

Triple H is not at fault here.

[Kane Knight]

Maybe you should have quoted someone who was blaming him here. :D

[BigDaddyCool]

I got nothing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're aware that he's filming a movie at the moment, right?

It's not so much as they want to shift the focus from him (which they shouldn't) but he can't keep up a 100% full main event schedule AND film a movie at the same time.

I'm sure he'll be back at the very top by the beginning of the build to SummerSlam.

I was under the impression that Cena was cutting out house shows from his schedule to allow him not to miss any "crucial appearances" (TV and PPV). A 100% schedule would be impossible, yes, but The Undertaker never really works a 100% schedule anymore, and his standing with the company never really slipped.

You may be right, and Cena might get a sudden push back to the main focus of things, but I'm just saying it's not a lock -- especially given that a move to SmackDown! for Cena actually makes sense.

[Kane Knight]

Undertaker was never the face of the company, though. Not that he wasn't a big guy, but he was never a figurehead or PR guy like Cena is.

And yeah, the reason they cut down on his appearances, and likely the reason they reduced his focus on the show, is due to the movie being filmed right now.

[Heyman]

Another thing to consider with Cena is this: The guy still has a number of "high profile" matches left (matches of which MUST be given the center stage).

-Cena vs. Batista (although it should've happened 2-3 years ago).
-Cena vs. Undertaker (I still predict that this will be the main-event match for next year's Mania').

And of course, although it probably will never happen, Cena vs. The Rock (we and the WWE can keep wishing though ;)). Cena is still far and away the "top guy" for kids aged 12 and under, in terms of merchandising. For that reason alone, it would be a mistake on the WWE's part to move Cena to the 'B' show.

And if worse comes to worse, a Cena heel turn WOULD freshen his character significantly.

Bottom line: For better or for worse, Cena is still the WWE's #1 guy. As result of that, he should be on the #1 show.

[Kane Knight]

More importantly, Cena WILL be on the #1 show because of it.

[Heyman]

More importantly, Cena WILL be on the #1 show because of it.

Yep.

Because of that - I also think Batista will finally make the move back to RAW as well. Although it should have been done years ago, a Cena/Batista feud, if built up right, should create some interest.

Since both Cena and Undertaker have been made to look unbeatable these past few years, a feud between those two will also create lots of interest (although I don't think Cena/Taker necessarily have to be on the same show for their feud to take place).

Like I said before - I'm calling it. Cena vs. Taker at next year's Mania' (with Taker winning). Having said that - Cena WILL be the one to retire the Undertaker in my opinion (shortly after next year's Mania perhaps).

[Rob]

Taker is NEVER losing at Mania.

[Heyman]

Taker is NEVER losing at Mania.

Agreed. I also don't think it would be a good idea if he did.

HOWEVER - Since Cena has been made to look like GOD the past few years, the fans need to atleast be made to believe that Taker *MIGHT* do the JOB.
Any other Taker match at Wrestlemania (outside of facing Cena) would be too obvious of an outcome for all/most fans.

[Kane Knight]

In a couple more years, it won't matter if he jobs at Mania or not.

[Legend Killer]

Agreed. I also don't think it would be a good idea if he did.

HOWEVER - Since Cena has been made to look like GOD the past few years, the fans need to atleast be made to believe that Taker *MIGHT* do the JOB.
Any other Taker match at Wrestlemania (outside of facing Cena) would be too obvious of an outcome for all/most fans.

I was almost convinced that Taker would finally lose to Trips at Mania 17 but that didn't happen, but yes Cena is the only logical guy to do it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Taker should definitely do the job at WrestleMania, if you ask me. It would be the best thing for business. I'm having a hard time picturing who could do it, though.

WrestleMania XXV seems like a fitting place for it to end. The silver anniversary of SmackDown!, in Taker's hometown. I'm still predicting The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels at Mania next year. I think it would be a good match, and that the story heading into it could be incredible ("Ric Flair last year, The Undertaker this year"). I also think that if Taker were going to have the streak ended, Shawn Michaels would be a guy he would consider losing to, if simply for credibility reasons.

If John Cena had won the WWE Championship at WrestleMania this year (and I actually think he should have), then The Undertaker vs. John Cena would definitely be a money match at WrestleMania. Both men would have nice winning streaks at WrestleMania, and Cena ending Taker's, while already being shoved down our throats enough, would make him more legitimate, I think. It could have elevated him from being the forced Superman of this era into being the forced Superman of all eras. A heel Cena undefeated streak at WrestleMania would have been awesome stuff heading into an eventual Mania loss -- with Taker's streak dissolved into it, as well.

Now, I am thinking of young talent that could get a rub from Taker at WrestleMania. A lot of it is laughable stuff now, but Ken Doane, Ted DiBiase and DH Smith could swell up and become respectable challengers for Taker to face at future WrestleMania events. DH Smith ending the streak at a WrestleMania in England would be pretty huge, if unlikely. If Lance Cade does well with his current push, and stands out as a player in the RAW main event scene, Taker putting him over would be great. I believe Cade is 1-0 at Mania, and if he wrestles and is victorious at WrestleMania XXV, by WrestleMania XXVI, he could be 2-0 and a credible threat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

None of that is very likely, of course, I am just riffing.

[darkpower]

1: Wasn't this Cena move already rumored when they first brought up this draft on WWE TV? I don't know, but I think people might be expecting this to happen with this draft. Only thing stopping it right now is if they wanted to continue the HHH/Cena feud (no clue about their plans on that). Either that, or MY prediction that either HHH or HBK will get shipped will also be happening (in this scenario, HHH would move too to continue their feud on SD). IMO, a HHH/HBK move would shake things up more than a Cena move because too many people in the IWC are in the know about this move beiing a possibility.

2: To whoever said something about Edge and Undertaket should be moved to RAW: It's not possible right now due to the latest angle. According to the reports, the Undertaker is set to be "crashing" the Vicky/Edge wedding, thus continuing the Edge/Taker feud and having another match at either the Bash or Summerslam. For this to happen, all parties need to remain on the same show (and there are ALOT of people involved in this angle). Unless the angle has been axed (and it would be a very weird move if it was). I'm not expecting Taker to go anywhere. The Bats thing I could see happening because of #3.

3: Noid, knowing how much SD has GOTTEN ass-raped on these drafts every year, I suspect Funaki main-eventing SD IS the WWE's goal.

[Kane Knight]

1. Yes, and it will be every year. Punk will always be in the doghouse, Steph will always be pregnant, and Cena will always be moving to Smackdown.

2. And with the brand split so rigidly defined, there's no way that could continue!

3. Nah. There will always be Undertaker....Until he breaks a hip again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Undertaker/Edge feud needs to be over. When Taker returns, the lights need to go out during a RAW clusterfuck of a main event, and there needs to be Chokeslams and Tombstones for all. If anyone ruins the Edge/Vickie wedding, it should be either Chavo Guerrero, with an epic face turn, or Edge himself, revealing ultimate dickweed colors.

[Heyman]

The Undertaker/Edge feud needs to be over. When Taker returns, the lights need to go out during a RAW clusterfuck of a main event, and there needs to be Chokeslams and Tombstones for all. If anyone ruins the Edge/Vickie wedding, it should be either Chavo Guerrero, with an epic face turn, or Edge himself, revealing ultimate dickweed colors.

With Triple H on Smackdown now (providing the 'veteran leadership'), I also wouldn't mind seeing Taker be placed on RAW.

Taker vs. Cena would be pretty huge from the fans' point of view....since both men have been made to look unbeatable. The fans would crap all over Cena like there was no tommorrow! Bah gawd!

On the other hand - Taker vs. Jeff Hardy on Smackdown might be cool as well (as we saw back in 02').

[The CyNick]

IMO the time passed years ago for Taker to lose at Mania. At this point, you know he's never leaving the WWE, so they might as well keep the streak alive as long as he's around.

Having a guy like HBK, who is already a legend, take the streak away would do nothing for HBK, and just hurt Taker.

If Taker retires with the streak in tact, they can bring him back from time to time with the streak on the line.

With HHH on SD (couldnt believe that) they can do HHH vs Taker, which was a great program back in the day. If Taker comes to RAW, then you get Taker vs HBK, which is also money.