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Destor
06-21-2008, 01:50 AM
June 16, 2008

With the 2008 WWE Draft on the horizon I thought I would talk about the Brand split this week and discuss whom I would move from Brand to Brand if I were in charge. Before I get to my Draft picks I want to first state that I’m to the point now where I would be just as happy to see SmackDown and RAW reunited into one brand, and apart from ECW ditch the Brand spilt altogether. I feel WWE has way too many titles now and not nearly the talent depth required to support them. Not to mention the fact (I guess I am mentioning it but oh well) that talent jumps back and forth, competing on different Brands quite regularly, making the whole brand split a bit confusing and for the most part pointless. For the Brand spilt to be effective and the Draft to mean anything talent needs to stay exclusive to their own Brand, which has not been the case of late in WWE.

That all being said, the Draft is happening and the Brand split still exists, so lets take a look at what I might do. The first move I would make is to move HHH to SmackDown. This would require a title change because I wouldn’t switch Edge because Edge and Vicky as a combo have white-hot heat and breaking them up would be a huge mistake. We are pretty much stuck switching the Title to Cena unless Jeff Hardy gets added to the Night of Champions match, but that is beside the point for now.

I think getting HHH off of RAW is the key to freshening up that show. This is not a shot on Hunter; it’s just a matter of exposure. HHH has been a featured WWE Superstar since 1996 and as such has been a constant fixture on WWE RAW for 12 years. Prior to the Brand split he would have been a regularly featured Superstar on RAW as well as SmackDown and he has remained a RAW Superstar since the initial Draft back in 2002. There was that brief swerve where he was Drafted to SmackDown and then traded back to RAW but that all happened in 1 week and I don’t think he even missed 1 episode of RAW during that time. With the exception of time off for injury HHH has been a fixture on RAW for 12 years and in the Main Event Title picture for more than 8 of those. That is a long time for anyone to be featured on a show and I think moving him to SmackDown would be a great move.

It has been about 5 years since HHH was a regular feature on SmackDown, and thus would likely seem fresh and new on that show. SmackDown is jumping to a new Network in the fall and star power like HHH would certainly bolster SmackDown’s impact on the Network. Jumping to SmackDown also creates a brand new rivalry for both HHH and Edge. I don’t think these two have ever done a prolong program (If I had to guess they’ve only had 1 singles match) so in addition to SmackDown breathing new life into HHH, HHH could breath new life into the World Title picture. With Taker gone and Batista wrapping up his program with Edge, Edge will need new challengers.

My next Draft pick would be to move Batista to RAW. Dave is a comparable trade for HHH to help balance out the talent rosters. Batista has been on SmackDown since getting Drafted in 2005 so after a 3-year absence he would be a fresh face again on the RAW Brand. This opens up the possibility for more match ups with both Shawn Michaels and the newly turned Chris Jericho, who both have standing issues with Dave. There is also the possibility of a feud with Randy Orton based off of their Evolution days. This also leaves open the door if they were to unite the Brands in a year or 2 of setting up the Title Unification match between HHH and Batista, which would have a ton of history to build off of.

I think I would also move MVP to RAW, since they seem to want to step the guy up but aren’t ready to pull the trigger on a full blow World Title push. Moving MVP to RAW could seem like a slight promotion and would help hide the fact that he has been stuck in that upper middle / lower top tear spot for so long. You could balance this move by moving Carlito to SmackDown giving them the Carlito Cabana to replace the VIP Lounge and perhaps actually follow through with the Carlito push we keep hearing he’s been promised. You could give Carlito that upper mid-card spot MVP had which would actually be a step up from what he’s been doing on RAW. Carlito and Santino have run their course in my mind so this would be an easy way to give Carlito a clean break and fresh start.

The next move I would do with the Draft is a subtler one. This would feature multiple switches that I would not feature on the main show but trades I would just get done and post after the fact. I would move all the exciting Cruiserweight style workers to ECW. RAW and SmackDown have 4 titles each (SmackDown is adding a Women’s Title I believe) and no room to feature Cruiserweights and I think the Cruiserweight division is sorely missed in the WWE Universe. The World X-Cup matches on TNA Impact last week reminded me how exciting those style of matches can been and how seldom we get to enjoy them.

ECW only has the one Title and to be honest feels more like a C-Branded WWE show, than a unique ECW product. I don’t even watch the show anymore and might catch 1 in 10 episodes. If ECW added a Cruiserweight title and truly featured the Cruiserweight style on their show it would give ECW a more unique feel and offer a style of wrestling that is not featured on RAW or SmackDown. Matt Sydal has recently been added to ECW and his unique style and ability could be highlighted so well with the reintroduction of the Cruiserweight title. Others I’d move into this division would include: Jamie Noble, Jimmy Wang Yang, Paul London, Brain Kendrick, Super Crazy, and Shannon Moore. ECW already has Nunzio and Kofi Kingston, who could both work the faster more exciting style.

This faster more unique style would give ECW a more distinct feel not to mention provide endless fun watching Mike Adamle try to keep up with this more cutting edge style. This would also provide a means by which for WWE to integrate smaller workers into the other brands as well. If the vast majority of workers on ECW were smaller you could debut smaller talent without exposing their lack of size. If they manage to get over with the crowd in ECW for their exciting work they could then be moved to RAW or SmackDown and would at least already be established and somewhat over, rather than having to debut being both small and unknown. Rey Mysterio has completely over come the fact that he is small, and others could as well, provided the first time we see them they are getting beat up by guys like Mark Henry and the Great Kahli.

There are likely a ton of other moves I would make if I sat down and debated it long enough but I think this is more than enough food for though to start. It will be interesting to see what WWE does, and if it makes us all more excited about seeing their product.

Lance Storm
Not much I'd argue there, just really agreed with this and thoght I'd post and gauge the reactions.

Afterlife
06-21-2008, 03:26 AM
In all reality, H to SD is a genius move. There's simply no arguing that.

Corkscrewed
06-21-2008, 03:59 AM
Sometimes, I'm convinced that Lance Storm and Alienoid are either the same guy, or live really close together and/or are related.

Juan
06-21-2008, 04:35 AM
He's spot on, as usual. :y:

Londoner
06-21-2008, 05:50 AM
He's just saying what we've all been saying for ages. I'm just bored with repeating myself and found that rather boring to read really, cause despite it making sense, i doubt HHH will ever move and that the brand split will end.

Hanso Amore
06-21-2008, 06:33 AM
I enjoy reading his stuff. He really does seem to have a good head for the business. He is one of my favorite wrestlers ever. He would be a great guy to book/agent in ROH or TNA if they ever drop the current regime. He makes sense and I think would change things for the better.

Also, if I was to start training I would go to his school. I think he would be amazing.

Hanso Amore
06-21-2008, 06:33 AM
I enjoy reading his stuff. He really does seem to have a good head for the business. He is one of my favorite wrestlers ever. He would be a great guy to book/agent in ROH or TNA if they ever drop the current regime. He makes sense and I think would change things for the better.

Also, if I was to start training I would go to his school. I think he would be amazing.

Londoner
06-21-2008, 08:03 AM
You enjoy reading his stuff so much you needed to post the same thing twice?

Hanso Amore
06-21-2008, 12:24 PM
Yeah, I do

weather vane
06-21-2008, 12:53 PM
Yeah, I do

Kane Knight
06-21-2008, 02:00 PM
Sometimes, I'm convinced that Lance Storm and Alienoid are either the same guy, or live really close together and/or are related.

Is it because you feel their thoughts both constitute "tl;dr?"

Kane Knight
06-21-2008, 02:03 PM
But seriously, Storm's actually worth reading once in a while. My biggest complaint is how completely unrealistic this all is.

Rammsteinmad
06-21-2008, 02:03 PM
Is Storm still hired by the WWE? Coz surely he'd get in trouble for a lot of his comments? Especially breaking kayfabe and mentioning people's "Push".

Anyways, good read as always. Though to be honest I don't see someone like Triple H going to the B show.

Anybody Thrilla
06-21-2008, 03:11 PM
I really don't give a fuck about what Lance Storm thinks about to draft, seeing as to how he has absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.

thedamndest
06-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Lance Storm might say the same about what Anybody Thrilla thinks about his post about the Draft.

Disturbed316
06-21-2008, 04:21 PM
WE HATE AMY!

Juan
06-21-2008, 04:30 PM
I really don't give a fuck about what Lance Storm thinks about to draft, seeing as to how he has absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.

Why so angry? It's just the man's opinion.

Kane Knight
06-21-2008, 04:50 PM
I really don't give a fuck about what Lance Storm thinks about to draft, seeing as to how he has absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.Odd from someone who comes to a wrestling message board.

Legend Killer
06-21-2008, 08:27 PM
Odd from someone who comes to a wrestling message board.

Yes very odd, if it wasn't for Lance Storm Y2J wouldn't even be in the draft.

Kane Knight
06-21-2008, 08:58 PM
I think I need a road map to figure out how that connects to what I said.

JT
06-21-2008, 09:43 PM
Hey, I liked the column, and even though his thoughts tend to be on the same pattern as most of ours, it's nice to hear it from a respected, intelligent (not bat-shit crazy) man with 20 years of experience in the industry. He tends to be the only other wrestling site I visit besides TPWW and Rajah, and like MAH, I'd probably like to go to his school if I ever wanted to become a wrestler

Mr. Nerfect
06-22-2008, 02:12 AM
But seriously, Storm's actually worth reading once in a while. My biggest complaint is how completely unrealistic this all is.

I don't think he was making predictions on what is actually going to happen, KK. Realism is not the point here.

As much as I dislike Triple H, and find him to be really overrated as a performer (it's not that he doesn't deserve to be rated, it's just I don't think he is great enough to qualify for the best ten wrestlers of all-time, or anything), him going to SmackDown! would instantly change the way people thought about SmackDown!. Honestly, if I were Triple H, I'd be thinking about heading over there just to see if my position in the WWE were good enough to turn the image associated with SmackDown! around merely with my presence.

It would certainly be the most interested I'd have been in Triple H for a long while. If Triple H goes, I'd actually have him head over there with the WWE Championship, just to make the draft seem like something momentous and unpredictable. Chris Jericho is getting a pretty big heel push at the moment, it seems, and as he is Intercontinental Champion, you can have that belt become the focus of RAW for a while. Have CM Punk drafted to RAW, and have him cash in his Money in the Bank title shot against Edge, and with assist from Triple H ("this brand isn't big enough for both of us"), CM Punk can take the big gold belt to RAW for a while, while Triple H and Edge feud over the WWE Title.

I'd actually keep MVP on SmackDown! through this draft. I think he's going to RAW, but SmackDown! would hopefully be a fresher place for him to hang around after an ideal draft. I'd like to see a Triple H vs. MVP feud in sort of the same fashion as Triple H would have issues with Carlito at the moment. MVP feels he isn't getting his due, and Triple H lets him know he's not worth that much.

Carlito to SmackDown! is a move that would be good, although I'd probably consider ECW for him right now. It can sort of be punishment for Carlito, but it'd freshen him up considerably. He'd also get to work with some exciting talent there, and with ECW sort of being compared to a developmental territory in some ways, it'd be an ideal place to debut Eddie Colon. Carlito needs to get off RAW, that much is for sure.

Batista going to RAW would freshen him up a lot, and it'd put him on the same brand as Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels, although the WWE seems to be leaving him out of the equation there. Also, that hinted Evolution thing with Randy Orton could be a very cool possibility for RAW. I can imagine some sort of gang wars with Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels and Batista/Orton leading their own packs. Ted DiBiase's rumoured group could appear in there somewhere, perhaps as part of Evolution?

I'm actually against bringing the Cruiserweight Title back. I feel that ECW needs a second championship, but I'd bring back the TV Title before giving the cruiserweights something. I love cruiserweights, don't get me wrong, it's just that with the belt, it feels like its all the little guys should be aiming for. Since the belt was dropped, cruiserweights have actually gotten a better shake. Jamie Noble had that really entertaining program where he went over Chuck Palumbo a lot, Jimmy Wang Yang & Shannon Moore got treated somewhat seriously as a tag team, Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne are getting pushes based on how exciting their style is, Chavo Guerrero became ECW Champion, etc. It also doesn't make sense to have some cruiserweights going after the Cruiserweight Title, while others are focusing on other belts. It makes the Cruiserweight Title look subpar if it's not the best title a cruiserweight can hold.

With that said, I think Super Crazy should move to ECW. There may have been a push planned for him on RAW, but it never happened, and Heat is now gone. Super Crazy is one of the guys who needs to be moved. Probably not as a major televised move, or anything, but certainly as part of a supplementary thing. Super Crazy would fit in really well with guys like Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne flipping around, plus he's an ECW Original, which keeps the "spirit" of ECW somewhat alive. Yes, it's a new ECW, but it's called ECW because the WWE wants to invoke something in its audience. Adding Super Crazy to Tommy Dreamer, Stevie Richards and Tazz wouldn't neccessarily be a bad thing.

I'm also really big on Umaga moving to ECW, rather than the rumoured SmackDown! move. It freshens the Samoan Bulldozer up, and he would seem the bigger fish in a smaller pond. I can very easily see Umaga as ECW Champion. In fact, I think Umaga vs. Rey Mysterio would make a great ECW Title match for WrestleMania XXV next year. So yeah, that would mean moving Rey Mysterio to ECW, as well, which I think would be good, as Rey has been on SmackDown! since 2002. Two more moves for ECW: Mark Henry and Jeff Hardy. Henry seems to be a stop-gap challenger for the ECW Title at The Great American Bash, and after that he can disappear again; and Jeff Hardy going to ECW would provide them with a rising star that might attract them some attention from WWE fans that don't tune in to Sci-Fi, and it would also be a way of pushing Jeff Hardy and capitalising on his momentum, without seemingly rewarding him for failing the wellness testing.

I'd love to see Val Venis moved to SmackDown! where he might actually get to appear in a role as a decent mid-carder. Val Venis as US Champion? I would buy it. Especially as it would be a Spanish-speaking Canadian with the belt. With the WWE trying to attract Hispanic audiences for SmackDown!, Val as a Spanish-speaking porn star could be quite entertaining. Especially if they have him in bed with Melina or Roucka. Val fucks Roucka, Mike Kruel gets called up as the protective, angry boyfriend, and you have a nice little feud for the US Title right there. It'd also be great to get Val and D'Lo Brown on the same show in 2008, and a lot of people think SmackDown! is getting Down with the Brown.

Mentioning Melina made me think: If the WWE wants to attract Hispanic viewers, Melina would make a great centerpiece for the new WWE Diva Division. I would hate to see her leave the same brand as Mickie James, as they have fantastic chemistry together, and Melina's feud with Beth Phoenix is really good at the moment, but I think it would still be a good move. RAW doesn't seem big enough for both Mickie James and Melina as top faces in the Women's Division, anyway. I was hoping for John Morrison to go to RAW and have some bump-ins with her, but I guess that can still happen on PPV. Speaking of which, Melina and Beth Phoenix attacking each other on PPV but not being able to wrestle because they are on seperate brands would be a brilliant way to build for some kind of "Women's Royal Rumble"/"Divas' Money in the Bank" win for one of the ladies to jump over and finally get their hands on the other woman at WrestleMania XXV. Also, I can see Melina being the next Diva to do Playboy (I can see her being talked into it for a lot of money), and it would mark the first time in ages a credible woman actually got the Playboy push heading into a WrestleMania.

Still on the SmackDown!/Hispanic audience thing: I've got Carlito, Super Crazy and Rey Mysterio all on ECW, which seems contrary to that. Simple solution: Push Chavo Guerrero on SmackDown!. I really like Chavo, so him getting a big push would not be a problem with me. The guy is a great talent, and if you ask me, is getting better on the mic and actually looks like a star when he needs to. At WrestleMania 22, when Rey won the World Heavyweight Title and Chavo appeared on stage -- Chavo just stole the scene, in my opinion. How do you push Chavo? I'd have him make a scene at Edge and Vickie's wedding, with him going off at Edge for thinking he's a real man, and going off at Vickie for abusing her power as General Manager. Instant face turn for Chavo. You could maybe keep Bam Neely at Chavo's side as a babyface student of Chavo's, if you want, or you can have him stay with Edge or maybe stay on ECW and do his own thing.

Chavo Guerrero would make a great, sympathetic face if you ask me. I know Chavo prefers to play the heel role, but I think he's going to get more over as a guy achieving despite being smaller than most of his opponents more so than being presented as a dangerous oppressive threat. When Chavo gets to the top, then the WWE can present him as a ring general that has the advantage based on his abilities. Also, I'd love to see Triple H and Chavo Guerrero as top faces on the same brand, really. For some reason, I think they would have great chemistry.

Other moves: As I mentioned, John Morrison should go to RAW, where he would be extremely entertaining, I think. I'd also move Elijah Burke there to debut his new "Black Pope" gimmick.

Mr. Nerfect
06-22-2008, 02:13 AM
I actually wasn't going to make that a big post, but I just find it a lot of fun to talk about the draft. Basically, I agree with what Lance Storm says, for the most part, as most of us do, I think.

Destor
06-22-2008, 04:01 AM
With the 2008 WWE Draft on the horizon I thought I would talk about the Brand split this week and discuss whom I would move from Brand to Brand if I were in charge.
Clearly KK has a reading comprehension problem.

Londoner
06-22-2008, 04:44 AM
Fucking hell noid.

Kane Knight
06-22-2008, 07:57 AM
I don't think he was making predictions on what is actually going to happen, KK.


Nobody claimed he was. Funny that.

Kane Knight
06-22-2008, 07:58 AM
Clearly KK has a reading comprehension problem.

Or you do.

The Optimist
06-22-2008, 08:09 AM
We're all mad down here!

Kane Knight
06-22-2008, 08:27 AM
We're all mad down here!

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAAAAAIN....

Wait, that was "lucky," not "mad."

Fabien Barthez
06-22-2008, 11:42 AM
I really don't give a fuck about what Lance Storm thinks about to draft, seeing as to how he has absolutely no bearing on it whatsoever.

Congratulations! You win the most stupid fucking thing ever said on a WRESTLING MESSAGE BOARD award.

Here is your trophy, dumbass. :foc:

Mr. Nerfect
06-23-2008, 05:40 PM
Nobody claimed he was. Funny that.

You're a dickhead. I don't even need to get the exact quote. "My only problem with this is that it's not realistic." Oh wait, are you doing some sort of straw-man thing where you're now going to say "I didn't say that I couldn't accept he wasn't being unrealistic, because I'm a douche; I just said I had a problem with it, because I'm a douche."

Kane Knight
06-23-2008, 07:17 PM
You know, it would probably work better if you didn't turn yourself into a hypocrite by doing exactly what you're accusing me of in the sentence in which you accuse....

Now, a dickhead I may be, but that doesn't make you or Destor any less dumb for trying to assert that just because Lance is doing a "what I would do" scenario, a comment about reality is somehow invalid.

Sorry. Doesn't work that way. Fantasy booking, "This is how I would do things" doesn't invalidate the criticism that it's completely unrealistic. Now, you could argue "that's why it's called fantasy booking," Though I'm the only one to have used that term, but to say "I don't think he's predicting what will actually happen" isn't really a counterargument, since that's not a claim I made, nor does it actually change whether or not it's realistic.

But please. Don't let me get in the way of another rant by A Lyin' Noid.

Anybody Thrilla
06-23-2008, 07:20 PM
Why so angry? It's just the man's opinion.

I'm not angry. If I wouldn't have said 'fuck', would that have been better?

The Mackem
06-23-2008, 07:27 PM
It would be a big surprise if HHH went to Smackdown and probably not likely but it really would be an interesting move. I think Lance suffers from the same problem as the rest of us, common sense-itis and this conflicts with WWE syndrome.

McLegend
06-23-2008, 07:27 PM
Yeah, I think so. It did kind of come off angry.

I felt threatened.

Anybody Thrilla
06-23-2008, 07:34 PM
If if makes you guys feel any better, I don't give a fuck about what any of you think about the draft either.

The Mackem
06-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I was going to draft you Anybody Thrilla :(

Anybody Thrilla
06-23-2008, 07:37 PM
You still can. All that I meant was that I don't care about what anybody thinks about the draft until it actually happens. You can guess this or that or whatever, but to me, the draft won't be exciting until it's happening, ya know?

McLegend
06-23-2008, 07:38 PM
If if makes you guys feel any better, I don't give a fuck about what any of you think about the draft either.

What if I want Chris Master's to be redrafted to a certain brand?

Would you give a fuck then?

Anybody Thrilla
06-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Not unless you actually had any say in the matter.

Anybody Thrilla
06-23-2008, 07:47 PM
The Masterlock Challenge would be too extreme for ECW, though. Just saying.

McLegend
06-23-2008, 07:48 PM
Not unless you actually had any say in the matter.

:-\

McLegend
06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
The Masterlock Challenge would be too extreme for ECW, though. Just saying.

That's probably right actually.

Destor
06-24-2008, 12:07 AM
Looks like Lance wasn't being too unrealistic after.

br0ken
06-24-2008, 10:09 AM
Do why Lance still write about wresling if he is not in the sport no more? What he do to pay his bills? He do something else, right? He is a smart guy but I hope he do a job and not just post about wreslting all day long

Blue Demon
06-24-2008, 10:15 AM
Yeah....what br0ken said.

Hanso Amore
06-24-2008, 01:43 PM
Holy Shit Fuck. Broken is on all kinds of drugs.

Dorkchop
06-24-2008, 02:39 PM
Do why Lance still write about wresling if he is not in the sport no more? What he do to pay his bills? He do something else, right? He is a smart guy but I hope he do a job and not just post about wreslting all day long

Lance Storm has his own wrestling school where he trains people to become wrestlers.

Heyman
06-24-2008, 04:08 PM
I also agree that Carlito would be better off on Smackdown (although to be honest, the Santino/Carlitto tandem has been one of my favorite things in the WWE in years).

Santino is quickly becoming one of my favourite WWE characters....of all-time.

Regarding Triple H - I'm still interested to see where this goes. With Triple H on Smackdown, combined with the WWE's two most emerging talents being moved there (J. Hardy and Ken Kennedy), you have to think that Smackdown will finally be on par with RAW (in terms of prestige).

Dare I say - Smackdown will become the *new* flagship? (even moreso now that JR is there?).

Mooияakeя™
06-24-2008, 06:20 PM
NOID IS BACK. AIN'T SEEN A MAMOTH POST LIKE THAT IN AGES!

Shit, i've been saying cruiserweight has been missing for ages. I like his idea with the unique ECW rather than C show.

Heyman
06-24-2008, 07:01 PM
ECW being primiarly a Cruiserweight show (i.e. ALL the CW's, plus Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, and Jeff Hardy) MIGHT be worth watching. It would atleast give ECW a new unique identity...and I'm sure that more fans would tune in. If this were to happen however, ECW would need a much better time slot.