Is there still a place in profesional wrestling for a submission artist?

[Renaissance man]

The Dean Malenko, Kurt Angle mold of wrestler that takes time to destroy an opponent not this one move and its all over wrestler like *spits on the ground* cena- has wrestling left the submission style wrestler behind?

thoughts and comments welcome

[NeanderCarl]

Simply, yes there is.

[NeanderCarl]

Executed properly and with conviction, a submission guy will always get over.

Any style will get over if treated well by the bookers and, most importantly, the commentators.

[Kane Knight]

Kurt Angle seems to do it well enough.

[Kane Knight]

Also, plenty of submission wrestlers have busted their submission moves out of nowhere and made them tap. Benoit did it plenty, as did Angle. Not all the time (Especially not Benoit), but submissions can be "one move and it's over" too.

Shall we spit on the ground when someone mentions Kurt?

I'd ask about Chris, but last I knew, Kurt didn't kill his wife and kid, so....

[Rammsteinmad]

Yes there is room. In WWE though? I doubt it.

[Destor]

Simply, yes there is.What he said.

Also, Bryan Danielson.

[RP]

Also, plenty of submission wrestlers have busted their submission moves out of nowhere and made them tap. Benoit did it plenty, as did Angle. Not all the time (Especially not Benoit), but submissions can be "one move and it's over" too.

Shall we spit on the ground when someone mentions Kurt?

I'd ask about Chris, but last I knew, Kurt didn't kill his wife and kid, so....

yet

[Gertner]

Chris made Nanacy and his son submit.

[Kane Knight]

Yes there is room. In WWE though? I doubt it.

Let's not forget an important element.

Kurt Angle entertained the fans. Even Benoit did. Is there room in WWE? Yeah. It's been done, and probably not for the last time. Will it happen frequently? No. Why? Because most submission wrestlers are "boring" by the standards of the WWE's fans. And wrestling fans in general.

Submission wrestlers main event when they're "worth it." Now, WWE (and wrestling in general) doesn't always measure "worth" in the same way the fans do, let alone specific groups, but honestly, it's not like sumbission artists never make it to the top (Let alone find room).

[Rammsteinmad]

Oh totally. Don't get me wrong, I know it's been done before, and probably one day will be done again. I was really just referring to the state of WWE today.

[Kane Knight]

I dunno. It's just not like we're exactly far removed from it.

Hell, Regal was getting pushed, though he's more a chain wrestler which is a style hardly respected by your average fan. He was only yanked from the show because he was a retard and "took the wrong supplements."

What really matters is finding wrestlers who can entertain a crowd that doesn't consist entirely of <s>Trekkies</s> Smarks.

[NeanderCarl]

They already have a submission artist. His name is The Undertaker.

:shifty:

[Xero]

Yeah, "There's that choking move again" is awesome.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, "There's that choking move again" is awesome.You mean the moogoogaipan?

[NeanderCarl]

I like HBK's inverted figure four, but to get these moves over they have to bust them out and win matches with them more than once a year.

[Outsider]

There is no reason that a submission artist can't have an 'impact' move as a secondary finisher as well.

The problem is that even when a wrestler has a submission, the WWE seem reluctant to actually let them win with it, unless they are called Cena. I think they are of the view that having someone submit makes them look weak.

[U-Warrior]

I wouldn't call Kurt Angle a submission artist, tbh. At least not in the same vein as Malenko and Danielson.

[Kane Knight]

He was listed amidst the first post, so it seems like a reasonable vein of thought.

[MCEazy]

outside of wwe yes. If there was someone that was a submission artist to make it in wwe, they'd really have to hold up their end on the mic and charisma, tho as KK said, wwe fans find submission wrestlers boring and would rather watch spot monkeys.

[Xero]

Benoit had no mic skills.

[MCEazy]

well i mean in this day and age of the wwe.

[The Optimist]

Sure. It'll be rare, but it can get over just like any other style. Regal got all of his King of the Ring victories by submission.

[U-Warrior]

Angle uses the ankle lock as his finisher. Thats it. One move. Not what I'd call a "submission artist". Malenko and Danielson have ended many matches with submissions other than their signatures.

Angle is more a combination Mat Technichan/Suplex Machine, with a submission finisher. A lot of times, he won't even work the leg during the match.

[Destor]

Fignuts knows

[Kane Knight]

Angle uses the ankle lock as his finisher. Thats it. One move. Not what I'd call a "submission artist". Malenko and Danielson have ended many matches with submissions other than their signatures.

Angle is more a combination Mat Technichan/Suplex Machine, with a submission finisher. A lot of times, he won't even work the leg during the match.

So...Your submission skills are based upon your finisher?

[Xero]

If we're going by the criteria that a "Submission Artist" is someone who uses no more than two non-submission moves per match, no. No there is not.

[Kane Knight]

Xero Knows.

[Destor]

If we're going by the criteria that a "Submission Artist" is someone who uses no more than two non-submission moves per match, no. No there is not.
I can't think of single wrestler in the history of ever that matches that discription.

[Kane Knight]

Kinda seems like the point thurr.

[Destor]

If we're going by the criteria that a "Submission Artist" is someone who uses no more than two non-submission moves per match, no. No there is not.Would be a cool gimmick though. Constanly going for the pain of it. COuld be cool-ish.