The *BDCA* Night of Champions review

[BigDaddyCool]

I thought Night of Champions was a good ppv, very enjoyable. So I'll run it down match by match and give my thoughts. Plus, I pretty much new the outcome to every match and that made me feel good that I was right. I was expecting the WWE and Heavywieght titles to say put, and Henry to win the ECW title.

Miz & Morrison v the Finlays: B - This match turned out about how I expected it. Miz and Morrison are a great team and Fit Finlay is alls fun to watch.

Hardy v Chavo: B - This is one of the few matches I didn't know how it would end. I wasn't expecting Matt to lose his US title so soon, but I could have seen Chavo bring US gold to la Familia.

Kane v Bigshow v Mark Henry: B - Two of the best bigmen in the world today and Mark Henry put on a pretty decent show. I knew Henry was walking out as the new ECW champion for a number of reasons. He hasn't been any sort of champion in a long time, smooth over things from the Micheal Hays incedent, and he is the only one in the match in ECW. Plus, I don't care, I'm a bit of a mark for Henry.

Holly & Rhodes v DiBaise & ???: I'm not rating - The actual match was all of 2 seconds. Kinda saw this coming from a mile away. Anyhow, I think the segment was good, but it barely counts as a match.

Jericho v Kingston: A- - Suprise of the night. I loved the match. I think Kofi is going far. Plus this free Jericho up, he didn't need the strap anyhow.

Mickie James v Katie Lee: B- - Kinda boring and forced.

Edge v Batista: B - It is nice to see this fued is finally over and Edge is still perfect in title defence against Batista.

HHH v Cena: A - When ever Cena loses clean in the middle of the ring, the match is automcatically an A from me.

Overall Night of Champions gets a soild B+. Not the best ppv, but it was enjoyable and I have no regrets with watching it. Plus now it feels like we will get new matches up finally.

[Destor]

A few disagreements:

Hardy v Chavo: B - This is one of the few matches I didn't know how it would end. I wasn't expecting Matt to lose his US title so soon, but I could have seen Chavo bring US gold to la Familia.

This was a terrible match. Easy F. They ran so many hope spots that they killed ALL of their heat. Absolutly ALL of it. when Hardy made the "comeback" you couldn't sperate it from one of the 15 hopespots they ran and neither could the crowd. They didn't know what was going and were DEAD for it. And rightfuly so. Terrible match. Worse phycology. Both guys should be emberessed.

Mickie James v Katie Lee: B- - Kinda boring and forced.
This match was hot. A- for sure. During the shine they were putting Katie Lee over, establising her as a real wrestler, which worked so well during the heat. THe crowd, and myself, really bought her as a threat to Mickies title. Hot comeback and a very nice victory for Mickie. Along with a very promising debut for Katie Lee. Shit was tight.

Other than that BDC it was very much spot on.

[BigDaddyCool]

A few disagreements:



This was a terrible match. Easy F. They ran so many hope spots that they killed ALL of their heat. Absolutly ALL of it. when Hardy made the "comeback" you couldn't sperate it from one of the 15 hopespots they ran and neither could the crowd. They didn't know what was going and were DEAD for it. And rightfuly so. Terrible match. Worse phycology. Both guys should be emberessed.


This match was hot. A- for sure. During the shine they were putting Katie Lee over, establising her as a real wrestler, which worked so well during the heat. THe crowd, and myself, really bought her as a threat to Mickies title. Hot comeback and a very nice victory for Mickie. Along with a very promising debut for Katie Lee. Shit was tight.

Other than that BDC it was very much spot on.

You know, I'm having a hard time remember the Hary Chavo match.

And I remember being bored with the divas.

[St. Jimmy]

Triple H vs. Cena MOTY.

[Juan]

C'mon Destor, Hardy/Chavo wasn't that bad. If any match on the card deserved an F it was the Divas match, or the WWE Tag match, because, you know, there was a midget involved.

[Destor]

C'mon Destor, Hardy/Chavo wasn't that bad. If any match on the card deserved an F it was the Divas match, or the WWE Tag match, because, you know, there was a midget involved.
Then debate my points. If you think Hardy/Chavo was good/decent I would tell you your understanding of match structure and ring psychology is non-existent. The crowd was at it's most dead during their match. Why? They were popping during the entrance, why did they die? Because those two worked a TERRIBLE match. When they were in the heat it was just terrible. They killed the crowd in a way first match rookies could only do. Matt was so focused on looking strong he killed the heat of the match and ruined his comeback. It was a joke.

And if you think that Diva match was bad I don't know what to tell you. The story there was so hot. Right off the bat they caught me off guard. They run the baby face shine and Katie Lee is going over (which tells the story of the whole match right there. ) Caught me off guard but it went so far. When they got into the heat Katie was working that arm to the point that when they did their false finishes it was truly believable that Mickie should tap. Everything Hardy and Chavo did wrong Mickie and Katie did right. When they did their comeback its triumphant a believable. the crowd ate it up.

If you diasagree please tell me what makes a good match.

[Juan]

Well, I'm not a wrestler, so I think we may have different criteria for what a good match is.

The match had back and forth action and a hot finish. Chavo worked over Matt's knee, Matt sold it well. Chavo wasn't made to look like a complete jobber, so that was a plus. To me, it seemed like Hardy and Chavo worked well together. I mean, it wasn't the best match of the night, but I hardly think it deserves an F. I'm not gonna get into match structure and whatnot, cuz I think you'd probably own me in that department.

I think the crowd totally died in the middle of the Kingston/Jericho match, cuz up to that point, I hadn't heard any "boring" chants.

[Destor]

Well, I'm not a wrestler, so I think we may have different criteria for what a good match is.

The match had back and forth action and a hot finish. Chavo wasn't made to look like a complete jobber, so that was a plus. To me, it seemed like Hardy and Chavo worked well together. I mean, it wasn't the best match of the night, but I hardly think it deserves an F. I'm not gonna get into match structure and whatnot, cuz I think you'd probably own me in that department.

I think the crowd totally died in the middle of the Kingston/Jericho match, cuz up to that point, I hadn't heard any "boring" chants.
Back and forth action can, on average, be detrimental to a match. The time to get back and forth is at the tail end of the comeback/the finish. If you do that it will create the impression of a back and forth match.

What they did, through having 10 entirely too long hope spots, was have a match that was LITERALLY back and forth. Which sounds fine to the un-educated consumer. The problem lies in the reason matches are generally structured the same way.

The middle of the match the is called the heat. During the heat the heel (get this) gets the heat. Through whatever means he takes control and keeps it. Burying the baby, getting the crowd to get behind the baby so he will shove his fist down his opponents throat. When you run a hope spot its, get this, to give the audience hope. Hope that he can still win it. But they negative is it will always take away a little heat off the heel. Heat which he will have to get back when he kills the comeback.

What Hardy did was not let Chavo get ANY heat. Every time Chavo would start to put some heat on him Hardy would kill it with a hope spot. Thus when it was time for his big comeback Chavo had NO heat. And thus no pop for Hardy. Hardy didn't accomplishment any great feat, he didn't over come any great adversity. Because of this Chavo doesn't look as dominant as he should have and Hardy doesn't get the pop he deserved.

They fucked themselves (well from where I was sitting I'd say Hardy fucked the match but to be fair Chavo didn't kill Hardy's comeback so they both can have the blame.)

[Nark Order]

Then debate my points. If you think Hardy/Chavo was good/decent I would tell you your understanding of match structure and ring psychology is non-existent. The crowd was at it's most dead during their match. Why? They were popping during the entrance, why did they die? Because those two worked a TERRIBLE match. When they were in the heat it was just terrible. They killed the crowd in a way first match rookies could only do. Matt was so focused on looking strong he killed the heat of the match and ruined his comeback. It was a joke.

To be quite honest, I think you're trying a bit too hard in the smark department. It was a fine match and it seems that it was enjoyed by the casual fan. Ring psychology is something that both Hardy and Chavo are masters of IMO, they know what to do and the timing in which it should be done and I also thought they showed at least a little of it in the match. It seems fairly difficult to have hardcore psychological warfare in a match that was simply tossed together on a whim. I think it was fine and you're being a bit nit-picky.

[Destor]

To be quite honest, I think you're trying a bit too hard in the smark department. It was a fine match and it seems that it was enjoyed by the casual fan. Ring psychology is something that both Hardy and Chavo are masters of IMO, they know what to do and the timing in which it should be done and I also thought they showed at least a little of it in the match. It seems fairly difficult to have hardcore psychological warfare in a match that was simply tossed together on a whim. I think it was fine and you're being a bit nit-picky.
A) Not a smark. Posting on the Internet doesn't make me smark. I challenge you to find me smark that would even know enough to adress these issues.

B) It wasn't enjoyed. They crowd died. It was the most dead they were all night. And it was because of the reason I've stated.

C) Hardy and Chavo (Chavo especially) are both top notch in the psychology department. This showing however was not their finest hour.

D) It's more than likely because Hardy wanted to look strong so he didn't give Chavo his heat, which in turn stopped then from having any crowd support in the finish. I'm more perplexed as to why CHavo wasn't cutting him off, in facted I was screaming this in my head the WHOLE match.

E) Nit-picky? Killing the crowd due to your ego isn't nit-picky, that's a legit complaint. A botched spot is nit-picky. They blew that match when it could/should have been VERY hot.

[GD]

Without being bias I would like to add that John Cena vs HHH II was a very good contest.

[Destor]

Damn straight.

[Juan]

No offense, but did we watch the same match? I see where you're coming from, with the match structure and the hope stuff, but do you really think the crowd was the most dead during this match? Did you happen catch the women's match? They were chanting "boring" during the IC title match ffs.

[Juan]

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I just rewatched, and I gotta say, I don't see the deadness you're talking about.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, watched it again. Destor, let's just agree to disagree. Not catchin what you're talkin about. Very decent US title match with lots of fan participation.

[Heyman]

-I love Kofi Kingston! :love: (as a wrestler and his personna.....I don't love Kofi Kingston because he has a big black 9.5 inch dick).

-I don't really understand why Cena jobbed CLEANLY to HHH. This was a bad business decision IMO. Yes - Cena is stale and annoying (to most people), but he's still the company's biggest star. Now that Cena does not look like "superman", I think it takes away the novelty from some of his future match-ups (i.e. Cena vs. Taker, or Cena vs. Batista). I might be wrong on this though.

-I love the Rhodes/Dibiase pairing. I wouldn't mind seeing them be part of a larger stable (4 man stable). Perhaps Batista or Orton could become their leader...in a new Evolution of sorts? (or an entirely new stable and new name).

[Nark Order]

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lol, come on now. Apparently you're the only one here that believes what you believe about that match. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying that nobody really agrees with you.

[Fox]

Lock up. Hardy head locks Chavo. Hardy off the ropes, shoulder block on Chavo. Good pop. Chavo claps him off and goes for a single but misses. Lock up and Chavo takes him down with a headlock. Matt fights his way up, reverses it with a wrist lock, sends Chavo to the corner and nails him with a clothesline and then a scoop slam, fist drop for a no count. Chavo fights back, hits the ropes and gets back dropped to the mat. Matt is in control with a whip to the corner and goes for the clothesline bulldog combo, but

Chavo tosses him off and takes out his knee. Chavo works over Matt's knee with stomps and stretches it across the bottom rope. "Chavo Sucks!" chants from the crowd. Chavo wraps Matt's leg around the ring post. Bam Neely interferes and smashes Matt's leg as well, getting some more heat. Chavo covers for a 1 count. Chavo puts in a knee lock on Matt. "Hardy!" chants ring out as Matt kicks his way out of the hold. Chavo kicks Matt in the back of the leg. Matt tries to punch his way back, puts in a head lock and nails a bulldog for a no count. Chavo clips his leg out and gets a 1 count, then kicks his leg again. Chavo puts in an inverted Indian deathlock, followed by another knee lock. Matt kicks Chavo out of the ring and tries to get up, but Chavo guillotines him across the top rop.e Chavo goes for the Frog Splash but Matt moves out of the way and levels him with a clothesline.

Both men fight back and forth now, Matt beginning to make his comeback, leveling Chavo with punches and a clothesline, followed by an elbow for a 1 count. Matt goes for the Side Effect, Chavo elbows out of it and hits a European uppercut, another, goes for a backslide, Matt blocks it and nails the Side Effect for a 2 count on Chavo. Matt goes to the corner and hits the second rope elbow smash across the neck of Chavo for a 1 count. Chavo fights back, but gets elbowed in the face. Matt goes up top for a dropkick, but Chavo blocks it and locks in a half Boston Crab. Matt struggles to get the ropebreak as the fans chant "Hardy!" for him.

Matt goes for the Twist of Fate out of nowhere, but Chavo blocks it. Matt reverses his counter into a big DDT for a 2 count. Matt goes for the Twist of Fate, Chavo reverses it and locks in the Half Boston Crab again! Matt struggles hard as the fans, again, chant "Hardy!" and he gets the rope break again. Matt hits Chavo with an enziguri, but Chavo manages to lock in the suplex and nails one amigo, two amigos, goes for three but Matt reverses it and hits the Twist of Fate out of nowhere! Cover and the 1-2-3.
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Seems like pretty basic psychology to me, Destor. Matt is physically dominant and remains so throughout. Chavo's only real offense throughout the match is his submission and work over on Matt's leg. The frog splash misses, and the three amigos ends up being his demise. If he had kept at Matt's leg toward the end it's possible he could have won the match.

The basic flow is the same as the one you described though. Matt started out strong, stayed on the defensive for most of the middle part of the match, selling his hurt leg, he had a close call with the Boston Crab, but pulled it out in the end with the Twist of Fate after Chavo lost concentration on the leg.

Also, the fans chanted for both men, so they were definitely into the match.

[thedamndest]

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According to wwevstna2008, Chavo/Matt was two stars, but it was "a really decent match, the counter that Matt Hardy did at the end I thought was like really cool, I didn't see it coming, I was like 'Oh my God,'. I mean it wasn't that great or anything, I just didn't see it coming." So there you have it. Two star match.

[Juan]

Well as long as wwevstna2008 says so.