Better Wrestler #36

[Destor]

If Piper wins he will go into the Hall of Fame. DO not bitch at me for this match, I promised KoOS that the next time we got to match five I would use todays challenger, it could have been anyone:

http://top2bottom.net/Roddy%20Piper.jpg

VS
http://christiansbehaving.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/ricflair.jpg

<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler History<OPTION>RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</OPTION><OPTION>Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)<OPTION>John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6-2)<OPTION>John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</OPTION><OPTION>John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</OPTION>><OPTION>Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)<OPTION>Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</OPTION><OPTION>Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</OPTION><OPTION>Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</OPTION><OPTION>"Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</OPTION><OPTION>"Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</OPTION><OPTION>"Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</OPTION></SELECT>


<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</OPTION><OPTION>Taz</OPTION></SELECT>

[Destor]

Flair. No one can even come close to him. Sorry about Pipers luck.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

It's Flair. The only person I would vote over Flair would be HBM... Whom should be his 5th challenger when he makes it ;)

[Zen v.W.o.]

Piper, because he's a better mic worker, has more charisma, and his matches weren't boring. He was also the biggest heel in the 80's, in his prime, whether anyone admits it or not. When you're on the opposite end of the Hogan feud, at that time, you're the top guy.

[The One]

Flair. Anyone who votes Piper supports baby rape.

Piper is good. Flair is god.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Shit I fucked up and clicked Piper :(

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Doesn't matter though I suppose, Flair is going to rightfully make it through this match and then square off against HBM and lose in the fifth round as HBM makes his way to the HOF.

[Afterlife]

God dammit! Stop making me vote for Piper!

[Destor]

One way or another you wont have to do it agina.

[Afterlife]

Good! But I thought this was "Better Wrestler", so why is Ric Flair even an option?

[Lock Jaw]

Flair. I don't think there's anyone I would vote over him.

[Destor]

Good! But I thought this was "Better Wrestler", so why is Ric Flair even an option?
I will kill you

[Afterlife]

What, are ya gonna grab my nuts and WOOO at me?

[Londoner]

Going to vote Piper cause i want him in the HOF, tbh.

[Juan]

Flair. Anyone who votes Piper supports baby rape.

[thedamndest]

I want to see Piper get added to this thing. We all know Flair will eventually get there (rightfully) so I'm gonna go with the underdog and pick Piper.

[Zen v.W.o.]

It'd be a disgrace for Piper not to get in, while fucking Tazz is. Tazz???? WTF?

[Destor]

dont disrepspect Taz.

[Lock Jaw]

It'd be a disgrace for Flair not to get in while The Tazz is.

Piper would be a nice addition, but not by going over Flair.

[Zen v.W.o.]

It'd be a disgrace for Flair not to get in while The Tazz is.

Piper would be a nice addition, but not by going over Flair.

Reverse that last line and keep the same opinion.

[Zen v.W.o.]

But basically, we now have a problem here.

If Taz should remain listed in this HOF, then just about everybody should get in, especially two people with the resumes of Flair and Piper.

Now obviously I discredit Flair here but that's simply due to his poor timing in being matched with the Hot Rod, whom I love.

But yeah, pull Taz.

[PapaGeorgio]

Such an easy and obvious choice. HOT FUCKING ROD. When Flair fights off an entire race of aliens disguised as humans while wearing a set of cheap sunglasses we can talk.

[Xero]

...Wow...

Honestly, I feel Piper is better on the stick, and Flair is better in the ring. Flair's mic skills push him over - they're better than Piper's ring skills.

This was a really fucking hard one, but Flair.

[Kane Knight]

To be the man, you gotta have liver failure!

[PapaGeorgio]

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[Mercury Bullet]

Come on, I like Piper but this shouldn't even be a contest.

[Destor]

Thanks to the people who rep me for doing this. PRETTY COOL OF YA.

[MCEazy]

Sorry Piper, i've been with you all this way but it ends here. Only one or two people can actually beat "The Man", and you are not one of them.

[Afterlife]

You know what? Fuck Ric Flair. There, I said it.

[Mercury Bullet]

You know what? Fuck Ric Flair. There, I said it.

You get out of this thread! :mad:

[Afterlife]

No! :p Fuck him for claiming to have a 35 year wrestling career when I've not seen him wrestle ONE FUCKING PERSON. The highlight of his WWE career was the month long stint of him exposing his withered buttocks during tag matches. That is ALL he has, and he can go fuck himself for bragging about something that doesn't exist.

Wooo that, bitches.

[Lock Jaw]

Right. Ric Flair's wrestling career never existed. Gotcha.

I wonder where they're getting all that material for his DVDs...

[Destor]

Never seen him wrestle one person...are you stupid or just trolling?

[Destor]

I like you and all Al but thats too much.

[Afterlife]

Show me a wrestling match that's not a bunch of chops and flops. Please.

[Afterlife]

Right. Ric Flair's wrestling career never existed. Gotcha.

I wonder where they're getting all that material for his DVDs...

Way to miss the point entirely.

[Destor]

Show me a wrestling match that's not a bunch of chops and flops. Please.
That's pretty easily done, but I have to break it to you, you can make a match out of chops and flops so I don't need to bother if that's your gripe.

[Destor]

"Show me a Stone Cold match that isn't a bunch of punches and middle fingers!"

Piss off. what you just said means that brawlers aren't wrestlers.

[Lock Jaw]

You explicitly said he claimed to have a 35 year wrestling career, and then went on to say that it did not exist. Even if it was someone actually crappy and they had a 35 year wrestling career, they would still have a 35 year wrestling career. Being crappy does not mean your career didn't exist.

But suggesting that Ric Flair is crappy makes you lose Coolness Points in my view anyways. Even in his later years where he was waaaay past his prime I still enjoyed him more than a lot of the roster.

[Afterlife]

And I don't consider brawlers wrestlers, either. That's like saying plumbers are architects. Related fields do not equate each othersimply because they're related.

[Afterlife]

You explicitly said he claimed to have a 35 year wrestling career, and then went on to say that it did not exist. Even if it was someone actually crappy and they had a 35 year wrestling career, they would still have a 35 year wrestling career. Being crappy does not mean your career didn't exist.

But suggesting that Ric Flair is crappy makes you lose Coolness Points in my view anyways. Even in his later years where he was waaaay past his prime I still enjoyed him more than a lot of the roster.

If you aren't wrestling, you don't have a wrestling career. Guess what: I've never seen him wrestle. I"ve seen him grab cock buldges and strut around like a fool, but not yet seen him wrestle. So, maybe for the 30 years before I saw him, But there's at least 5 years where I know he wasn't wrestling. So, claiming a 35 year career? THat'd be a lie.

[Destor]

That's rediculous. You should go tell Stan Hansen, Vader, and Bruiser Brody they aren't wrestlers. Watch how quick you're picking teeth up off the ground.

[Afterlife]

That's pretty easily done, but I have to break it to you, you can make a match out of chops and flops so I don't need to bother if that's your gripe.

No, sir. Chops'n'flops does not make a wrestling match.

[Destor]

You have no idea what Pro-Wrestling is. We aren't talking grecko here Al.

[Destor]

No, sir. Chops'n'flops does not make a wrestling match.
I let you keep that rediculous train of logic.

[Destor]

(For the record even by your standard Flair has had some of the best matches of all time, so you really don't know what your talking about.)

[Afterlife]

That's rediculous. You should go tell Stan Hansen, Vader, and Bruiser Brody they aren't wrestlers. Watch how quick you're picking teeth up off the ground.

I"ve seen Vader work. Vader actually DOES things. That doesn't make him a wrestler, in my book, but it makes him a competitor worth his weight.

[Afterlife]

(For the record even by your standard Flair has had some of the best matches of all time, so you really don't know what your talking about.)

I said to show me, and you said it'd be easy and opted not to.

[Destor]

I said to show me, and you said it'd be easy and opted not to.
There's no reason too. Everyone knows about the Flair/Steamboat Flair/Race Flair/Funk Flair/Rhoades classics. No need in telling people the obvious when you've proven how wrong you are. I don't need to Al. YOu proven me right. Do you think anyone is going to come into this thread and agree with you? You're clearly wrong.

[Destor]

Hell the HBM/Flair match is a prime example.

[Afterlife]

Obviously, the people who agree with me will remain silent, because nobody dares to rock the "Let's Blow Flair" boat. I put it to you to show me that I'm wrong, and you refuse to do so. It appears we are at a stand still.

The fact that he drug his time out for as long as he did is the most impressive thing about him. ANd it's also the most irritating. I have no idea why you people worship him, and I don't think I ever will.

[Afterlife]

A prime example of HBM trying to carry a weak fucking opponent into a half-decent match because of the retirement situation? Please. That match was MAYBE 3 stars, and Flair was the two they didn't get.

[Destor]

Right

[Lock Jaw]

This thread is now officially hilarious and entertains me greatly.

[Afterlife]

That's the idea. ;)

[Ruien]

Flair.

Can we just skip to the Better Wrestler #32, since we know Flair will be going into the Hall of Fame.

[Destor]

I don't know how to go back in time. Sorry.

[El Fangel]

ALOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Closer then I expected.

[Ruien]

Err Destor, you know I meant #42 >< :(.

[Destor]

:lol:

[Fabien Barthez]

Bret Hart once said... "I never did anything in the ring, I wouldn't consider doing in a bar fight"

Now, even though I have never seen a perfectly exocuted side Russian Leg Sweep in a pub fight recently, That phrase sums up what Pro Wrestling is. It is a meant to be an officiated fight. If the guy in the ring, can make it look like he is beating the shit out of his opponent, but actually isn't, and in turn look like he is getting his arse kicked, but isnt, then your man right there is a Wrestler.

I thought the IWC might have grasped this by now, inbetween sucking Chris Jericho's love muscle, but I guess there are still a few with this narrow mentality.

Oh, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Rammsteinmad]

Ric Flair.

I feel bad for Piper though, if there's a small handful of people who should go in the Hall of Fame he's definitely one of them. But unfortunately for him, he's up against Ric Flair. WHOO!!!

[screech]

I'm going with Piper. He's always entertained me more than Flair has and his matches are more fun for me to watch.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Plus Piper is a ton more cooler and just way more badass.

He's the epitome of badass.

As for Flair, when Bret and Dynamite say you're overrated, you're overrated.

[Afterlife]

Bret Hart once said... "I never did anything in the ring, I wouldn't consider doing in a bar fight"

Now, even though I have never seen a perfectly exocuted side Russian Leg Sweep in a pub fight recently, That phrase sums up what Pro Wrestling is. It is a meant to be an officiated fight. If the guy in the ring, can make it look like he is beating the shit out of his opponent, but actually isn't, and in turn look like he is getting his arse kicked, but isnt, then your man right there is a Wrestler.

I thought the IWC might have grasped this by now, inbetween sucking Chris Jericho's love muscle, but I guess there are still a few with this narrow mentality.

Oh, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!

Cynicism noted, except I've never believed anything in a Ric Flair match.

[Fabien Barthez]

Really? How many have you seen? 2?

He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA. The matches and fueds are there to be seen. Also, in his first run in WWF, I would say his finest matches were vs Savage at WM8, Hennig in a retirement match on an early Raw, and Bret when he dropped the title.... It was on Prime Time Wrestling or something.

Just go and watch a few, and stop being silly now.

[Afterlife]

Really? How many have you seen? 2?

He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA. The matches and fueds are there to be seen. Also, in his first run in WWF, I would say his finest matches were vs Savage at WM8, Hennig in a retirement match on an early Raw, and Bret when he dropped the title.... It was on Prime Time Wrestling or something.

Just go and watch a few, and stop being silly now.

Contradicting yourself in your opening statement doesn't really fuel the fire to call me "silly". Listen, kids, there are good wrestlers and there are bad wrestlers. Ric Flair is a bad wrestler who just managed to stay in the ring for an unnecessarily long period of time.

[Kane Knight]

He wasn't much in the last 8 years, granted. But his legacy was built in old NWA.


Slight problem there. You know, since eight years is a long time. I'm not saying Flair never had a good match, or whatever else someone will inevitably shoehorn into my mouth from the logic of "you disagree with me and therefore must believe the polar opposite of what I do," but we're talking about nearly a third of my life, and I'm not even among the youngest posters here.

Besides. If people had actually given examples, instead of whining and justifying, AL's argument might be completely different at this point. You have, but that's not helpful, since your argument came before any real examples were given (HBK/Flair really isn't a good example, as unpopular as I know that's going to end up being amongst the "smart" marks).

[CSL]

Flair. When both men were in their prime, he was better

[Fabien Barthez]

Slight problem there. You know, since eight years is a long time. I'm not saying Flair never had a good match, or whatever else someone will inevitably shoehorn into my mouth from the logic of "you disagree with me and therefore must believe the polar opposite of what I do," but we're talking about nearly a third of my life, and I'm not even among the youngest posters here.

Besides. If people had actually given examples, instead of whining and justifying, AL's argument might be completely different at this point. You have, but that's not helpful, since your argument came before any real examples were given (HBK/Flair really isn't a good example, as unpopular as I know that's going to end up being amongst the "smart" marks).


I know this is not the demographic to take to flair, but I guess it all boils down to what you have seen. If you have never seen Flair from the early 80's, how can you praise his work?

But AL said he was a bad wrestler to start with, and thats lunacy.

Who did you vote, KK?

[Destor]

He voted Piper

[Afterlife]

I"m not necessarily saying he's a bad wrestler. I've just never actually seen him wrestle at all. And, despite what Destor claims, slap-fests do not count as wrestling.

[Destor]

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There are millions of matches better than this with Flair in them as well.

[Destor]

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[Kane Knight]

I know this is not the demographic to take to flair, but I guess it all boils down to what you have seen. If you have never seen Flair from the early 80's, how can you praise his work?

But AL said he was a bad wrestler to start with, and thats lunacy.

Who did you vote, KK?

If it boils down to what you've seen, then not showing someone isn't going to help matters. Not to mention, AL didn't say Flair is a bad wrestler.

I voted Piper. Fake Scottish Pride FTW.

[Fabien Barthez]

It's not my job to show him.

Daily Motion is thata way --------------- >>>

[Afterlife]

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There are millions of matches better than this with Flair in them as well.

For people to blow him the way they do, there damn well better be.

[Afterlife]

It's not my job to show him.

Daily Motion is thata way --------------- >>>

And it's not my job to seek out something that probably doesn't exist. Cryptozoologiy is for people who think Nessie is real. To everyone else, it's a waste of time.

[Zen v.W.o.]

The Dragon clearly carried those matches.

[Afterlife]

Yeah, but if I say that, I'm just a jerk.

[thedamndest]

Flair's first opponent:

6-time world champion Brummhelm Von Stickstein
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[Juan]

Wooooooooooooooooo!

[The Mackem]

Piper, can't vote

[ron the dial]

afterlife cannot be serious in this thread

[Afterlife]

I can't?

[Theo Dious]

I have observed the results of this poll and have prepared a statement.

Ahem.

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!
That is all.

[Destor]

New one will be up SUnday more than likely, pretty full schedule atm.

[Theo Dious]

I would like to suggest that, if he has not yet contended, Bret Hart's first opponent should be Bastion Booger.

[Destor]

Bret hart jobbed to Stone Cold like 24-25 putting Austin into the HoF.

[Destor]

32-31 for Austin

[Verbose Minch]

I would like to suggest that, if he has not yet contended, Bret Hart's first opponent should be Bastion Booger.

Needs more Gillberg.