Brock Lesnar NEWS

[Rob]

He will be fighting Randy Couture for the UFC Heavyweight title on November 15 in Las Vegas.

[Loose Cannon]

that's pretty cool and all, but how does he get a shot at the belt?

[Rob]

Because he just beat a contender and he is a massive draw. Should they put in fighters who have zero drawing ability instead?

[Y2Ant]

realmente?

[Loose Cannon]

Because he just beat a contender and he is a massive draw. Should they put in fighters who have zero drawing ability instead?

no, I see why they are doing it, but I thought UFC was more legit and had some kind of ranking system in place. Like I wouldn't expect a guy like Lesner to be pushed to the front that quickly.

I welcome the fight because Brock's the man, but it did surprise me

[Xero]

no, I see why they are doing it, but I thought UFC was more legit and had some kind of ranking system in place. Like I wouldn't expect a guy like Lesner to be pushed to the front that quickly.

I welcome the fight because Brock's the man, but it did surprise me

UFC IS REALZ!!!!!

[Rob]

It's still a business. And as a fighter, he dominated the next challenger for the interim title for 89 seconds of a 90 second fight and he absolutely man handled a top contender for 3 rounds.

[Kris P Lettus]

The Heavyweight division is by far the weakest the UFC has.. They brought in Cro Cop to "ignite" it, but he never got used to the cage and got beat a few times, ruining that idea.. Couture came back from retirement to fight Sylvia for the title and dominated him.. He wanted to fight Fedor, who some say is the best HW in the world, but UFC couldn't get the deal done to bring him to America, so Couture, with no "big name" fighters to fight re"retired"..

Lesnar has since come in, dominating his first fight until getting caught by an ankle by a BJJ black belt, and then totally dominated his next fight, making MMA vet Heath Herring look like shit..

It's a big money fight and one of the only options UFC has at HW..

[Kris P Lettus]

It's funny that a bunch of prowrestling fans are questioning the actions of the biggest MMA organisation in the world..

[Rob]

Wrestling fans are anything but hypocrites though.

[Shadow]

Just like the WWE, it's who's going to make the most money in a PPV. Not who's the most deserving. Though for some reason, in UFC at least, the two tend to be one and the same rather then two totally different options.

This one seems to be the latter but I dunno...I'm not that much of a UFC fan.

[Fox]

This is good news. Here's to a Lesnar victory.

[U-Warrior]

It's funny that a bunch of prowrestling fans are questioning the actions of the biggest MMA organisation in the world..

Yeah, cause there's no way we could be wrestling AND mma fans.

Ass.

[Destor]

I feel sorry for Brock.

[Vastardikai]

I said it a couple of times, and I'll say it again:

I can see Randy humbling Lesnar.

I can also see Brock Megaton Punching Couture across the cage and manhandling him.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think it'll be a good fight. Fuck the rankings, LET'S GET IT ON!

[Xero]

I could see them working it because Brock's a pussy.

[Anybody Thrilla]

LIST OF PEOPLE BROCK LESNAR WOULD EASILY DESTROY:

1. Xero Limit 126

That's about all I can think of for now. I'll get back to this later. I promise.

[Ninti the Mad]

I would actually see that PPV if it happens

[Loose Cannon]

It's funny that a bunch of prowrestling fans are questioning the actions of the biggest MMA organisation in the world..

what? this directed toward me? and what is a bunch of pro wrestling fans? I was the only one that said anything.

[Y2Ant]

It's funny that a bunch of prowrestling fans are questioning the actions of the biggest MMA organisation in the world..

Yeah, how dare they!

I dunno how much of a chance Lesnar has of actually beating Couture, but i'd love to see that, and i'd still like to see Emelianenko vs. Couture, if that has a better chance of happening now that Couture has sorted out his contract with the UFC? I dunno.

[Shaggy]

From what I heard this isnt exactly a title match,

While technically Couture is the heavyweight champ.....Nogueira is the interim champ since Couture left.

What I heard was that the winner of Couture/Lesnar will go on to face Nogueira sometime next year to crown the undisputed champion.

Dana White said that he didnt want this to be some sort of title match. The reason this match was happening was "to show fans we can make matches that fans want to see."

White also went on to say that he GUARANTEES This will be the fight of the year.

[James Steele]

COMING SOON: DANA WHITE'S MILLION DOLLAR MANIA!

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, cause there's no way we could be wrestling AND mma fans.

Ass.

I didn't realize you were one of the guys questioning UFC's motives or I wouldn't have aimed that comment at you..

Wait a minute I didn't aim that comment at you...

:?:

[Kris P Lettus]

what? this directed toward me? and what is a bunch of pro wrestling fans? I was the only one that said anything.

Xero

[Xerzes]

I must admit to not having ideal knowledge of MMA, but I have to assume that big bad Lesnar is going to get his ass beat.

[Kris P Lettus]

I dunno.. I all depends on if Couture allows him to impose his will.. Lesnar is big and powerful enough to pretty much take anyone down and ride them.. Couture needs to take him out of his element by going for submissions or something.. If fighters allow Lesnar to make it his fight, he's gonna be hard to stop..

[Sepholio]

I think Lesnar will honestly beat Couture. Lesnar is a serious monster.

Any chances of Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice? That would be a hillarious match right there.

[Juan]

Nah. Kimbo fights for ElliteXC

[FourFifty]

COMING SOON: DANA WHITE'S MILLION DOLLAR MANIA!

Is he going to get Rick Roll'ed on live tv?

[Kane Knight]

People are still treating Lesnar like he can't fight ? amazing.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I must admit to not having ideal knowledge of MMA

You could have stopped right there. Lesnar is no pushover.

[NeanderCarl]

How blinkered to suggest wrestling fans shouldn't have an opinion on UFC. Maybe we should remove the TV/Movies forum too, because what the fuck do we know about making movies?

And how DARE we discuss casual topics on a wrestling forum? What the fuck do WE know about life, the universe and everything?

From now on, anyone volunteering opinions on anything other than wrestling (even though 99% of us have never stepped foot in a ring) will receive a Neg-Rep Of Doom™

[NeanderCarl]

Maybe there should be a seperate UFC/MMA forum, though.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think the discussion can be held in any forum as long as some jackass named Kris P Lettus just lets the conversation flow instead of saying where it should be held and who should be having it.

JUST SAYING MACE.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'll meet you guys at the computer help desk to discuss UFC's top 25 knockouts.

[The Ravishing One]

that's pretty cool and all, but how does he get a shot at the belt?

I think it's due to Nogueira and Mir fighting in December Brock is the only credible Heavyweight around. PLus it'll be a huge fight gaining shit loads of publicity. Which means money money yeah yeah

Didn't Dana say at the press conference that he thinks Affliction will be out of business by January and he's gonna try and sign Fedor when they do?

[Loose Cannon]

I'll meet you guys at the computer help desk to discuss UFC's top 25 knockouts.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2272147#post2272147

[Kris P Lettus]

How blinkered to suggest wrestling fans shouldn't have an opinion on UFC. Maybe we should remove the TV/Movies forum too, because what the fuck do we know about making movies?

And how DARE we discuss casual topics on a wrestling forum? What the fuck do WE know about life, the universe and everything?

From now on, anyone volunteering opinions on anything other than wrestling (even though 99% of us have never stepped foot in a ring) will receive a Neg-Rep Of Doom™

It's just hilarious to me that someone like Xero would mock UFC's booking like MMA thinks it's more about stats and rankings then entertainment.. He's obviously knows knowing of the workings of the UFC to even act like that.. UFC (any bigger promotion) has always booked the fight that's gonna sell PPVs.. They are not nessasarily gonna book true number one contenders cause there are no "true" rankings.. Every ranked list you see online and whatnot is someones opinion.. MMA is like wrestling in that respect cause LEGENDS don't always have to win to remain legends.. People love a hard fought loss than a boring win.. Just like Lesnar lost his first UFC fight but pretty much wiped out the notion in that 30 seconds that he was just a prowrestler..

For guys, who openly love openly fake fighting to mock a promotion they obviously know nothing about is ridiculous..

[Kris P Lettus]

It's just hilarious to me that someone like Xero would mock UFC's booking like MMA thinks it's more about stats and rankings then entertainment.. He's obviously knows knowing of the workings of the UFC to even act like that.. UFC (any bigger promotion) has always booked the fight that's gonna sell PPVs.. They are not nessasarily gonna book true number one contenders cause there are no "true" rankings..

This is why the winner of Chuck Liddell and Rashad Evan will get the next title shot, and not Machida..

Thought I'd add that in there..

[Kane Knight]

How blinkered to suggest wrestling fans shouldn't have an opinion on UFC. Maybe we should remove the TV/Movies forum too, because what the fuck do we know about making movies?

And how DARE we discuss casual topics on a wrestling forum? What the fuck do WE know about life, the universe and everything?

From now on, anyone volunteering opinions on anything other than wrestling (even though 99% of us have never stepped foot in a ring) will receive a Neg-Rep Of Doom™

I don't think it's so much the posession of opinions as it is the way the wrestling forum sounds utterly retarded on the subject.

Not that the wrestling forum doesn't normally sound retarded, but when they start talking about the way UFC conducts business, the pretense of any competence, knowledge, or reason goes out the window.

And smarks-pretense doesn't leave much.

[Savio]

I don't care if he deserves a title shot or not it'll be fun to watch

[Blue Demon]

LIST OF PEOPLE BROCK LESNAR WOULD EASILY DESTROY:

1. Xero Limit 126

That's about all I can think of for now. I'll get back to this later. I promise.

You must spread some reputation...yadda yadda yadda

[Anybody Thrilla]

At least I know how you really feel now. :heart:

[Rob]

I don't think it's so much the posession of opinions as it is the way the wrestling forum sounds utterly retarded on the subject.

Not that the wrestling forum doesn't normally sound retarded, but when they start talking about the way UFC conducts business, the pretense of any competence, knowledge, or reason goes out the window.

And smarks-pretense doesn't leave much.

This about sums it up.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Especially when alot of the people putting their input do not watch the UFC and haven't seen what Brock did to Heath Herring, who in theory was next in line for a title shot.

[Vastardikai]

Or actually watched the fight he lost with Mir.

He was submitted in 90 secs. That is true.

However, he DOMINATED 88 of those secs. Taking him down with ease and dropping him with a jab.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Here's the thing about Brock, yes - he's green. But his work ethic is pretty unparrallelled and he's a bad match up for Randy Couture. Yes, he got tapped, whatever. Randy Couture, much as I love and respect him, is not a submission fighter. All of his skills are the same skills Brock has, except Brock is bigger, stronger, and faster. Randy only has experiance which in theory will be negated by a much larger and better wrestler in Brock Lesnar.

[Fox]

Down, down, down. Randy's goin' down.

[Kane Knight]

Or actually watched the fight he lost with Mir.

He was submitted in 90 secs. That is true.

However, he DOMINATED 88 of those secs. Taking him down with ease and dropping him with a jab.

Yeah, Brock was on fire. People were too busy laughing at him for tapping to look at everything else. A loss is a loss, but you know he learned from that.

[SammyG]

Wow. Go Brock

[Juan]

How bad ass would it be if Brock won the title?

[Rob]

Yeah, Brock was on fire. People were too busy laughing at him for tapping to look at everything else. A loss is a loss, but you know he learned from that.

If you are undefeated in MMA then you aren't fighting the right guys. Simple as that.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yep..

Every MMA fight loses sometimes..

[Vastardikai]

If you are undefeated in MMA then you aren't fighting the right guys. Simple as that.

Unless you're Kimbo Slice and you're getting fed can after can to pad your record...

[Impact!]

If you are undefeated in MMA then you aren't fighting the right guys. Simple as that.

[Rob]

Unless you're Kimbo Slice and you're getting fed can after can to pad your record...

James Thompson isn't a can. Neither is Ken Shamrock. If anything, nobody with 3 fights under their belt should be fighting guys with their experience.

This just makes Brock Lesnar's MMA career even more incredible.

[Sting Fan]

I guess we probably have our answer too all those stupid "whos the toughest tough guy in the WWE Locker room" threads.

Pretty hard to argue Brock isnt a hardass now.

[NeanderCarl]

Come off it.... if Bob Holly was but 10 yrs younger...

:shifty:

[Rob]

...He'd be getting beat in a Brawl For All by Bart Gunn.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=63612&highlight=brawl

[Anybody Thrilla]

What about Kama "The Supreme Fighting Machine"? What about him???

[Kris P Lettus]

Papa Shango was a better character..

[Innovator]

Lion's Den matches

[Kane Knight]

If you are undefeated in MMA then you aren't fighting the right guys. Simple as that.

It was probably mostly because it was his "first" fight.

Then again, I can imagine the "sour grapes" community on TPWW would probably just dismiss his first match if it was a win. It would have been a fluke, or a "work" or something.

Not by everyone, mind, just the people who seem to be looking for every possible excuse to slam Brock because he's not wrestling anymore.

I'm not an expert on MMA, but it really does look like Cocksword Lesnar has most, if not all the tools necessary.

[Kane Knight]

On a related note...When do you think Undertaker's gonna debut in UFC?

Wrestlemania streak? That'll be nothing after he racks up them wins in the legit circuit.

[Blue Demon]

Lesner has one thing working against him right now: Inexperience...other than that I think he has a great future in MMA.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sylvia says he'll help train Couture for Lesnar..

What are your thoughts on Brock?

He's a beast. It's one of those things every four years or so we get a really good monster wrestler like Mark Coleman or Dan Severn. When Dan Severn first came along he was unstoppable. That's what Brock Lesnar is. He is an amazing athlete, amazing wrestler and he's huge. Now's the time to fight him while he's still learning.


Did you work out with him?

He came up for a couple of weeks. I had my elbow taken care of so I didn't get to work out with him but some of the guys did.

Who is your pick for the Randy Couture Brock Lesnar fight?

Randy always rises to the occasion. I would never bet against Randy. I want Randy to win.


You guys are friends aren't you?

Oh yeah, I actually texted him earlier and told him I'd come out there and help him if he needed me to.

[Rob]

On a related note...When do you think Undertaker's gonna debut in UFC?

Wrestlemania streak? That'll be nothing after he racks up them wins in the legit circuit.

I'd pay good money to see Taker in the UFC. :D

[NeanderCarl]

Back in the day, I bet he could have been a force.

In fact, even now I bet he could rack up a win or two... not against any serious playas, but at the low end...

[Kris P Lettus]

Seriously doubt it..

[NeanderCarl]

He has a rep.

Granted, he is broken down and aging now, but you don't get a rep for being the toughest and most respected man in the WWE locker room for many many years without being able to back it up.

Really don't know about now, but 15 yrs ago I bet he could have done okay for himself. Definitely.

[Kris P Lettus]

If he trained for real fighting, instead of fake fighting, maybe..

Ray Lewis is one of the toughest dudes ever to play in the NFL, but I don't think he'd make it very far in MMA, unless he trained for an extended period of time, even 10 years ago..

[NeanderCarl]

Well, first of all I think Taker must have some kind of training in fighting to be as feared as he is/was, even if its just basic.

Secondly, there were a lot more street fighters back in the day of UFC. You telling me Taker couldn't hammer Tank Abbott? Nowadays it is all about well honed athletes with extensive martial arts backgrounds, but in the early days of UFC you had all kinds of guys in there.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tank Abbots first appearance in UFC, he bulled a 6'8" 330lbs guy into the cage, took him down, and proceeded to pound his face, with his knee on his face..

[Rob]

Carl - you're making a fool of yourself dude. Shut up now and pretend you didn't say of this please. I'm begging you!

[NeanderCarl]

You can't prove me wrong.

[Kris P Lettus]

But we can think you have no clue what you are talking about..

[Destor]

Sick burn by Krsip P Lettus

[NeanderCarl]

Well how bout you go pick a fight with the Undertaker, and then go and pick a fight with Tank Abbott, and tell us who kicked the shit out of you best?

[Rob]

When have you ever seen Mark Calloway have a fight?

Tank Abbott has smashed fuckers before. And he did it with no training and all night drinking binges. Abbott ain't a top MMA fighter but he's still kill most people in a fight.

Taker wouldn't even be in the top ten WWE guys who could hope to stand a chance in a legit MMA fight.

Now you prove me wrong.

[Destor]

The BLue Menie would crush Frank Mir in a shoot.

Prove me wrong.

[Rob]

Meanie got battered by JBL. Bradshaw was killed by Bart Gunn. He then lost to Butterbean. The Bean lost to Ikuhisa Minowa who has a defeat to Mirko Cro Cop on his record. Cro Cop was beaten by Cheick Kongo. Heath Herring beat him and he later lost to Brock Lesnar. Lesnar has one loss on his record and that is to.... FRANK MIR.

Proved wrong.

Next!

:D

[Destor]

NICE

[Destor]

Seriously, so awesome.

[Kane Knight]

Well, first of all I think Taker must have some kind of training in fighting to be as feared as he is/was, even if its just basic.

Learning pro wrestling will make you somewhat of a tough guy. It's just the way it works. Doesn't mean you're a threat to a real fighter just because you can intimidate other wrestlers.

[NeanderCarl]

I didn't say he could be a top contender, just that 15 yrs ago at peak health and with a MMA scene teeming with bar room brawlers and the ilk, that he may well have picked up a win or two. Don't think that is an unreasonable thought.

[Kris P Lettus]

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle..

[Kris P Lettus]

Meanie got battered by JBL. Bradshaw was killed by Bart Gunn. He then lost to Butterbean. The Bean lost to Ikuhisa Minowa who has a defeat to Mirko Cro Cop on his record. Cro Cop was beaten by Cheick Kongo. Heath Herring beat him and he later lost to Brock Lesnar. Lesnar has one loss on his record and that is to.... FRANK MIR.

Proved wrong.

Next!

:D

This post is f'n awesome..

[Rob]

I didn't say he could be a top contender, just that 15 yrs ago at peak health and with a MMA scene teeming with bar room brawlers and the ilk, that he may well have picked up a win or two. Don't think that is an unreasonable thought.

When was the MMA "teeming with bar room brawlers"? There was one. Tank Abbott. He knocked out a few tough guys and then got killed against top guys with skill.

You are talking hype about a dude who you know has never had anything resembling a fight that you have heard of. How do you know Taker could be beat anyone?

[NeanderCarl]

I ain't hyping him. Hang on, are you saying he isn't a tough fighting bastard?

Because I'm more inclined to believe the countless testimonials of his peers in various written and spoken interviews over the years than I am to believe what you say just because you profess to be some kind of expert on MMA and look down your nose at anyone with slightly less knowledge of it than you allegedly do.

Only saying.

[Rob]

Look down my nose? I don't think so. I call out stupid comments. What countless testimonials have you seen or heard where people said Taker has knocked people out?

Tank Abbott has a proven legit record of knocking people out. I go with the facts. You still with the pro wrestling fiction brother.

I don't know anything about Bulgarian economics so I don't make stupid comments about it. See where I'm coming from here?

[U-Warrior]

Carl, UFC was never "teeming with barroom brawlers."

[Fox]

Rumor has it Undertaker was a leg breaker for bookies before he got into wrestling. Simply a rumor though, and that was over a decade ago. Dude is lookin' old these days.

Still a tough mother fucker though, I'm sure.

[Rob]

Nobody is doubting if he was tough. Being a gangster and a MMA fighter are two different things though.

I know plenty of tough guys/nasty bastards. The only one I know for a fact could do something in MMA is the one guy who did - Lee Murray. The rest either tried and failed or continued to play gangster.

[NeanderCarl]

Carl, UFC was never "teeming with barroom brawlers."

Excuse maybe the ill-fitting analogy then, but my general point was that UFC of today is a league above the UFC of yesterday in terms of athleticism, finesse, training... okay you had your Royce Gracies et al, but you also had your chancers and your general tough guys... and what is Taker if not, by most accounts, a tough guy. And a big, strong one at that. I know size means nothing, but I still think, when I remember following MMA and UFC back in the mid 90s (remember Bushido on Sky?? :lol: That was shite. I remember WCW's Sarge Craig Pittman was getting involved too, because WCW refused to let Haku do it... bit sure if he ever did though. Still, I digress...) there were guys involved who were little more than pro wrestlers themselves and whatever you may say, you can't discount the idea that Taker may have fared well for himself in THAT environment back in the day, because you just don't know. Neither do I, technically, because it didn't happen, but to flat out say "no, you're wrong, you're a cunt, get back to the fake stuff" is pretty short-sighted when it's only a hypothetical situation.

It grates me how MMA fans are so dismissive of those who know less about it than them, it's arrogant, elitist and even dorky. I never professed to be an expert or state facts from the clear blue sky, just that I wouldn't have bet against Taker back in those days. Just an opinion, and I'm entitled, even if I'm not a walking UFC encyclopedia. I have casually kept up with it since 1995, so I'm pretty confident I'm not clueless here.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nobody is doubting if he was tough. Being a gangster and a MMA fighter are two different things though.

I know plenty of tough guys/nasty bastards. The only one I know for a fact could do something in MMA is the one guy who did - Lee Murray. The rest either tried and failed or continued to play gangster.

He had potential but threw it all away for a robbery..

Did you "know" him for real??

[Rob]

I assume you mean Murray. Not really. I've met him a few times but more know him through someone else. Not the kind of people I like hanging around with. Google Dave Courtney and you'll find out why.

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh I know Murray is a bad dude.. Had great potential and it's pathetic how he's thrown it all away for thuggery..

Brilliant heist they did though..

[Kane Knight]

I didn't say he could be a top contender, just that 15 yrs ago at peak health and with a MMA scene teeming with bar room brawlers and the ilk, that he may well have picked up a win or two. Don't think that is an unreasonable thought.

Okay, the Barroom Brawlers bit's been addressed.

Taker's skills might be sufficient to intimidate the boys backstage, but that doesn't mean he could stand up to Mixed Martial Arts competition, even when it was "less physically involved."

[#BROKEN Hasney]

JBL could rape anyone in UFC :shifty:

[Rob]

JBL could rape anyone in UFC :shifty:

Only if he had a broom with him in the shower.


:shifty:

[Sting Fan]

Seems UFC is the new Wrestling, gotta be on the inside too be a cool kid.

That said I havent seen a lot of UFC, mainly a couple of the Ultimate Fighter series.

Oh and at the risk of getting back on topic I have seen all (I think) of Lesnars fights. Usualy quite entertianing too watch.

[Rob]

The inside? Erm.... wrong dude. You have to watch it to be able to comment on it. Pretty simple really.

UFC has become a progression for wrestling fans though. Simply because we don't have to put up with the political bullshit. A lot of the old time wrestling guys like Terry Funk and Jim Cornette all prefer MMA now too.

[Fabien Barthez]

Heyman is apparently very into MMA. I read an article last week...

The only time Calloway is getting into MMA is when he gets complimentary UFC tickets.

Funny read though.

[Sting Fan]

The inside? Erm.... wrong dude. You have to watch it to be able to comment on it. Pretty simple really.

UFC has become a progression for wrestling fans though. Simply because we don't have to put up with the political bullshit. A lot of the old time wrestling guys like Terry Funk and Jim Cornette all prefer MMA now too.


No doubt its a natural progression, im not gonna argue that.

And once again I only follow MMA very loosely but I would imagine as the money comes so will the politics. It seems to be a natural progression in every sport and I would be surprised (read shocked too death) if MMA was any different.

Hard to avoid in sport sadly.