Some RANDOM THOUGHTS about Cena, CM Punk, Orton, Your mom, WWE direction, etc.

[Heyman]

Some RANDOM THOUGHTS about Cena, CM Punk, Orton, Your mom, WWE direction, etc.

-I was a little disappointed by some of the attitudes that I saw on here when it was discovered that Cena was injured. Don't hate the man....hate the character. The truth about Cena is that the guy busts his butt, has a great attitude backstage, and is willing to help put guys over (i.e. Batista, JBL). Seriously - which other wrestler in recent era has publicly admitted that "the better man won" when referencing his opponent? (Cena did this to both HHH and Batista). I truly hope Cena recovers quickly.

-Count me as someone that is loving CM Punk's world title run. I originally wasn't too thrilled about the idea but I'm starting to like it. In today's WWE, it's extremely hard to 'over' at times. Instead of going the traditional way, the WWE used their World title belt to help get a guy over. Insane? Yes. Creative? Yes. Is it working? I think so. CM Punk's cheers are starting to get louder. Major props to JBL for putting him over cleanly.

-Orton and Priceless would make for an interesting stable....and will probably happen upon Orton returning.

-I said it late last year and I'll say it again: If the WWE TRULY wants to move forward as a company, they will need to focus MORE on character maximization as opposed to who is heel and face.
The world is very different from what it was in 1996. The fans will NEVER fully respect someone that kisses their ass. The fans WANT and NEED characters. This is the exact reason why guys like Lesnar, Guerrero, Angle, Orton, and HHH all garnered their loudest cheers as "bad guys" (and when they became "good guys", saw their pops die down considerably).

I saw 'Dark Knight' on opening night. Want to know what happened? The people in our theatre gave Joker a standing ovation when he did the "magic trick" and shoved the black guy's face into the pencil.

Long story short - Let a guy like Cena say whatever he wants when he does a promo. If the fans are booing him? Let Cena tell the fans to STFU. Let Cena do a 'rap' which disses the fans. The Rock's run back in 03' (i.e. the night after he beat Hogan and then asked the fans whether they wanted to cheer or boo him) is another tremendous example.

Oddly enough - once The Rock started acting like a prick, the guy started getting cheered huge once again. The WWE fans are like women. If you kiss their ass....they won't respect you. If you maximize your personality....you will be loved. Plain and simple.

My concern for Santino Marella right now, is that the WWE will try and convert him into a face (along with Beth Phoenix). Hopefully, they do NOT go this route.

-I am LOVING Jericho's character right now. I haven't loved Jericho this much in about 7 years. The only thing that I'd suggest here, is to change his music. Even though his entrance music is cool, he is no longer "Y2J". Something similar to his "King of My World" theme from 03' would fit his character a lot better.

-I'm not liking the way D'Lo is being pushed. I'd like to see D'Lo be more energetic and verbal in the ring (like he was 6 years ago).

-I hope Triple H and Batista have a world title match at Wrestlemania (maybe even title vs. title). Both men have the history, and current storyline friendship to make it intriguing.

-It's sad to see Jeff Hardy being pissed away on Smackdown. He should've stayed on RAW. Big Show and Kennedy have also been useless. What's the deal with Carlito? Is he staying or going from the WWE?

-I'm liking Kane's new character. Although this sounds cheesy, I wouldn't mind seeing Undertaker somehow "transferring" his powers to Kane before he retires (I know it sounds gay, but whatever). The WWE could use a legit. main event Kane.

[Juan]

I think you and I are pretty much on the same page, Heyman.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'm actually upset that I'm not able to watch regularly until November. I was enjoying a lot of what I was seeing.

Heyman, what are your thoughts on Miz and Morrison?

[Heyman]

Heyman, what are your thoughts on Miz and Morrison?

To be honest, I never really watch ECW...and so I don't know a whole lot. From an outside glance, they seem to be ok.....definitely more interesting than a majority of the other wrestlers.

As far as their long term futures are concerned, I don't know what will become of them. I can't really see either men being pushed beyond what they are now. Maybe Miz will be U.S. champ one day, and Morrison will be IC champ.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think Morrison can be a world champion one day. If CM Punk can do it, he can. Especially considering he owns like 40 victories over Punk.

[Juan]

Yeah, I think Morrison has a bright future ahead of him.

[Heyman]

I think Morrison can be a world champion one day. If CM Punk can do it, he can. Especially considering he owns like 40 victories over Punk.

The thing with most wrestlers however, is that they won't win the title in the manner that Punk won it in. I highly highly doubt that we'll see a wrestler win the title again in that fashion.

This means that Morrison will have to "climb the ladder" like almost everyone else. Given how competitive it is at the top, I just don't think Morrison has much of a chance. We've already seen how tough it was for guys like Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Booker T, Edge, Big Show, etc. to win world titles. If Morrison does manage to win the world title, he will most likely be a transitional champ (either that, or the WWE will be even more depleted of stars than they are now).

Time will tell.

[screech]

You sir, are awesome. We're pretty much in agreement with everything.

I am definitely on board with Jericho using King of My World and for Kane to be in the main event (FINALLY). I also want D'lo to actually do something in WWE. He is an amazing worker, they should let him show that. The Trips/Bats match should definitely be title vs. title. It would be much more awesome that way.

And as others have said, I think Morrison has a very bright future ahead of him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes, Heyman, but what about my mother?

I don't disagree with anything you really said in there. Kane as a main eventer would be awesome, and while I may not agree with the handling of CM Punk's title reign, that he is actually getting a title reign, and that his reactions are getting more consistently louder is definitely a good sign of his direction and position with the company.

Pretty sure most people feel exactly the same way about Cena, and that any happiness he was injured was directed at the character. He's a good performer when he needs to be, he just needs a major refreshing.

Chris Jericho's character is about the best thing going in the WWE today. You've also got the amazing character going for The Brian Kendrick, something I'd like to hear your thoughts on Heyman. I'd also like to know what you think about Lance Cade, and whether or not he is gaining anything by being Chris Jericho's shadow.

[Y2Ant]

Oh my god I missed your wrestling forum posts. I love you Heyman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Santino Marella slowly needs to be worked up the card. Put him in some big tag team matches, where he teams with say, Chris Jericho, against CM Punk and Shawn Michaels. I just pulled that out of my head. Marella would take the fall, no doubt, but if he got to hang with guys like Punk and Michaels on a consistent basis, eventually his status as a joke would run a little dry.

It seems he is getting more and more wins now that he is IC Champion, and that is a good step to take with him, but he needs to become more effective in his offense, as well as just capitalising on mistakes.

[Heyman]

Chris Jericho's character is about the best thing going in the WWE today. You've also got the amazing character going for The Brian Kendrick, something I'd like to hear your thoughts on Heyman. I'd also like to know what you think about Lance Cade, and whether or not he is gaining anything by being Chris Jericho's shadow.

What's up Noid,

To be honest, I don't watch Smackdown much (actually...I rarely ever do). From what I hear though, Kendrick has been getting over quite nicely. Again however - it's about character maximization. If the fans start to love Kendrick's heel character to the point where they start cheering him, the WWE should just STICK with that. Period.

And again - I say that with ANY WWE character that is getting a great reaction right now. Do NOT fuck it up by turning the guy face, and then getting the guy to kiss the fans' ass. The fans will NOT eat it up, and it WILL have an adverse effect.

As far as Cade goes, I haven't been impressed at all. He reminds of when Bull Buchanon became B-Squared and became Cena's side kick for a brief time period. There's nothing wrong with being a side kick (i.e. when HHH used to be HBK's sidekick back in the day), but Cade hasn't really done much IMO. Hopefully, this will change.


p.s. Y2ANT!!:love:

[Y2Ant]

I'm loving the whole angle with Santino and the countdown with him beating Honky Tonk's record as IC champ, I just hope they don't take the belt off him too soon to make it pointless even doing it in the first place, it could be quite an entertaining angle (like when Matt Hardy had his Matt Facts)

Also, like we have said before, they need to forget heels and faces, and just have everyone be their own character and let the fans cheer for who they want. Or at least just have badass faces like in 1999.

[Y2Ant]

Also Randy Orton needs to do RNN again.

[screech]

Also Randy Orton needs to do RNN again.

Yes! I miss RNN.

[Heyman]

Also, like we have said before, they need to forget heels and faces, and just have everyone be their own character and let the fans cheer for who they want. Or at least just have badass faces like in 1999.

I honestly don't know how or why the WWE haven't recognized this (and if they have, why aren't they following through with it). Perhaps there's some hidden compliance issue that the WWE have to cater to? (i.e. presenting their "good guys" in a certain way so that they don't send the wrong message to little kids?).

Whatever the reason is, I truly hope that the WWE focuses far more on character maximization in the near future.

I hear people talking about how guys like The Rock and Austin come "once in a blue moon" and how it will be almost impossible to recreate the popularity of the Attitude Era. I disagree.

At the same time, I'm not even sure if it's a Democrat/Republican thing (i.e. when Republicans are in power, the WWE has to tone down their program to make it more family oriented?). I don't know enough to comment on it. Maybe if Obama becomes president, we'll see more T&A, Val Venis porn videos, more "chopee chopee of the pee pee", and more TLC? :p

[Heyman]

I think Santino Marella slowly needs to be worked up the card. Put him in some big tag team matches, where he teams with say, Chris Jericho, against CM Punk and Shawn Michaels. I just pulled that out of my head. Marella would take the fall, no doubt, but if he got to hang with guys like Punk and Michaels on a consistent basis, eventually his status as a joke would run a little dry.

It seems he is getting more and more wins now that he is IC Champion, and that is a good step to take with him, but he needs to become more effective in his offense, as well as just capitalising on mistakes.

Good points Noid.

One other I should point out: In my opinion, the WWE has to be careful that they don't make Marella TOO goofy. If they do this, it might be more difficult too push Marella as a main-eventer in the future (although this isn't necessarily true).

One guy I can't help but think about, is Christian. I STILL think Christian could've (and should've) been a main-eventer. The guy was ridiculously over with the fans. I'm not sure why Vince was so low on him. Ah well.

Marella reminds me a little of Christian and Eddie Guerrero.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In 2005, the WWE missed the making of two major stars. They were Matt Hardy and Christian. They were two hot potatoes that I didn't think the WWE could drop. But they did. The WWE also got a second chance with Shelton Benjamin after he had that fantastic Gold Rush Match against Shawn Michaels (the first came after he defeated Triple H in 2004).

I'm not for making Marella too goofy, depending on what your opinion of goofy is. I think he's fine as a comedic character, but I think he needs to start pulling his weight in the ring. He's capable of it. In OVW, he was a no-nonense bad-ass that apparently reminded people of a Russian (in kayfabe) Kurt Angle. Now he's reminding me of an Italian (in kayfabe) Kurt Angle, only without the ring skills, with extra milk. If they can somehow get a balance going, Marella could really be the goods. Two IC Title reigns is certainly not a bad innings, though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

2005 really should have seen a double-turn between Christian and Cena, with Christian taking the WWE Title, in my opinion. It seems a bit ridiculous now, but at the time, fans were really anxious to see these two go at it, and the fans began to turn on Cena and start cheering Christian. It would have worked, in my opinion.

[TerranRich]

CM Punk's cheers are starting to get louder.

Ssshhh! Somebody might read that and suggest you're saying he outpopped DX or something.

I saw 'Dark Knight' on opening night. Want to know what happened? The people in our theatre gave Joker a standing ovation when he—

SPOILERS!!! :foc: Still haven't seen it. I downloaded it and fully intend on watching it, but I haven't YET.

Oddly enough - once The Rock started acting like a prick, the guy started getting cheered huge once again. The WWE fans are like women. If you kiss their ass....they won't respect you. If you maximize your personality....you will be loved. Plain and simple.

That's a great analogy and so true. Fans tend to have battered wife syndrome at times as well. :p

Even though his entrance music is cool, he is no longer "Y2J". Something similar to his "King of My World" theme from 03' would fit his character a lot better.

:drool: Love that theme.

I'm not liking the way D'Lo is being pushed.

Wait, he's being pushed?

Big Show and Kennedy have also been useless.

Even while pointing out that he's not being used, Big Show is still completely and utterly useless. Funny for a few minutes and can be called upon to piss off the IWC by interrupting decent matches (especially TAG TEAM matches), but useless nonetheless.

[Heyman]

In 2005, the WWE missed the making of two major stars. They were Matt Hardy and Christian. They were two hot potatoes that I didn't think the WWE could drop. But they did. The WWE also got a second chance with Shelton Benjamin after he had that fantastic Gold Rush Match against Shawn Michaels (the first came after he defeated Triple H in 2004).

I'm not for making Marella too goofy, depending on what your opinion of goofy is. I think he's fine as a comedic character, but I think he needs to start pulling his weight in the ring. He's capable of it. In OVW, he was a no-nonense bad-ass that apparently reminded people of a Russian (in kayfabe) Kurt Angle. Now he's reminding me of an Italian (in kayfabe) Kurt Angle, only without the ring skills, with extra milk. If they can somehow get a balance going, Marella could really be the goods. Two IC Title reigns is certainly not a bad innings, though.

Good post.

I totally agree about Matt Hardy and forgot to mention him. You are definitely right. Matt Hardy is another guy that the WWE shit the bed with. How the WWE didn't do more with Edge vs. Matt Hardy is beyond me.

Even when Matt Hardy ORIGINALLY jumped ship to RAW (the first RAW where he unexpectedly turned heel on Lita), there is no way the WWE should've pushed him as a heel. The guy got an enormous face pop, and the WWE should've capitalized on that.

Here are a few other guys that I feel that the WWE pissed away.

-Daniel Puder. The guy was way over with the fans during the last instalment of 'Tough Enough.' MMA was on the rise at this time and Puder could have catered to that. No way the WWE should have let him go.

-Jonah. I can't remember which Tough Enough it was (season III?), but there's no way in HELL that Jonah SHOULDN'T have won Tough Enough. Jonah was far and away the most over guy on the show that year. He had great chemistry with Bill DeMott, and the fans seemed to be eating it up (and more importantly, pulling for him).

[Anybody Thrilla]

I forget, what year was Jonah on? The same season as Jackie Gayda and Linda Miles?

[Heyman]

I forget, what year was Jonah on? The same season as Jackie Gayda and Linda Miles?

I think Linda Miles and Jackie Gayda were on the year before (i.e. season II). I can't remember for sure however.

On an unrelated note - I wouldn't mind seeing RVD come back...with a 4 man (including himself) ECW stable consisting of old school ECW'ers (i.e. Tazz, Dreamer, whoeverelse). Tazz could be manager, and two others could be a jobber tag team.

I think ECW (as a mini-stable....not as a show or a large stable) would actually create some interest. They could spray paint 'ECW' on wrestlers (and yes - that would be a blatant rip-off of nWo but it would still be interesting).

[Anybody Thrilla]

I just looked up Linda Miles. I forgot she was from Cincinnati (like me!). She now works at a local high school as a 'study hall enforcer'. :lol:

I'm gonna go visit her.

[Anybody Thrilla]

No I'm not.

[Heyman]

No I'm not.

I wouldn't be so close minded. You and Linda Miles might have a number of things in common:

a) Similar upper body strength
b) Similar taste in white women
c) Similar testosterone levels

and so on. ;)

[Anybody Thrilla]

:lol:, maybe I'll hit her up when I'm back in town.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Linda Miles and Jackie Gayda were on the year before (i.e. season II). I can't remember for sure however.

On an unrelated note - I wouldn't mind seeing RVD come back...with a 4 man (including himself) ECW stable consisting of old school ECW'ers (i.e. Tazz, Dreamer, whoeverelse). Tazz could be manager, and two others could be a jobber tag team.

I think ECW (as a mini-stable....not as a show or a large stable) would actually create some interest. They could spray paint 'ECW' on wrestlers (and yes - that would be a blatant rip-off of nWo but it would still be interesting).

I'd like to see Tommy Dreamer get that sort of push. He gets pissed off, claims that he is carrying the spirit of the old ECW, and starts beating up guys randomly, and spray-painting ECW everywhere, and maybe even using "This is Extreme!" as entrance music. If Stevie Richards were still around, he would have been great in this sort of thing. If The Dudley Boyz get re-signed by the WWE, they would make great back-up for Tommy.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I just turned Tommy Dreamer heel in my ECW game after a few unsuccessful title shots against Mark Henry. Plus, his gimmick is 'Extremist'. IT COULD WORK!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd like to see them shatter face/heel alignments in ECW for the most part. At least to try that style of writing out.

[Savio]

I saw nothing on my mother

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd like to see her win a World Title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I want Gavin Spears on RAW as part of Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase's thing. I watched him on ECW, and I really like the guy. He sounded really confident with his speaking, and he looks solid in the ring. He doesn't look like a complete jobber. Unfortunately, Ryan Braddock does, and because of the way he has been booked, Scotty Goldman does.

Gavin Spears as the back-up for Orton's group would be really cool, in my opinion. Just have him revealed as Cody Rhodes' friend, and he can be the guy who absorbs the face beatings so that a guy like Batista can get some measure of revenge against the group without hurting the more "prominent" members.

[Heyman]

Few more thoughts:

1) Women's wrestling: I think in today's WWE, the women are getting *way* too much TV and/or wrestling time. Although I believe that women *do* have a place in the WWE, it shouldn't be to the extent that we see now (sorry if this sounds sexist). Former WWE superstar Terri Runnels also made a similar observation recently. Women should get similar TV time as they got during the Attitude Era.

2) I'd love to see Christian back. His TNA contract is coming to a close if I'm not mistaken. Christian in the WWE would be awesome....and I truly hope that Vince doesn't hold a childish grudge here.

3) Kudos to Foley for leaving to TNA. Vince is an asshole and deserves to have a class act like Foley walk out on his ass. Good for him. Speaking of which - now that Foley is in TNA, I wonder if this could increase TNA's chances of getting.......The Rock...to make a one or two special guest appearances. FYI - Dwayne Johnson legally owns the rights to the name "The Rock."

4) If the WWE is intent on bringing back Austin for one last match (at Mania...in his home state of Texas), he should fight either Cena or Batista. Austin should win the rumble, and face either Cena or Batista for the title. Orton's name has been mentioned but to be honest.....I don't think Orton is a big enough star for Austin (atleast the way Orton has been portrayed in the WWE). IF Austin jobs to Orton, it would just make Austin look bad (even more than it would make Orton look good).

I'd much rather see Austin vs. Cena or Austin vs. Batista....for the title. Austin could win the match and retire with the title the next night. This could then lead to the WWE going to back to having ONE world title within the entire company.

5) Getting back to my response to Noid (regarding Dreamer). Although it would be nice to see Dreamer get pushed (with a mini ECW stable backing him up), he unfortunately just hasn't been built up enough to make it look credible in my opinion. That's why - I'd rather someone like RVD (if he comes back) get this type of push. Dreamer could be an awesome hench-man though.

6) I'd love to see Santino Marella rip off The Rock's lines from time to time (similar to how he used a few of Austin's catchphrases last year).

The People's unibrow?!?! :wtf:

Santino: "It does not matTERRRR what is your NAME!"

If anyone can pull it off, it would be Santino.

[TerranRich]

Heyman, I couldn't disagree more with your first point.

Women's wrestling is just as entertaining as men's wrestling... one could make the argument that at times it is more so. The women are getting better and better. When I see things like Candice going from average-body dancing bimbo, all the way to thin, muscular, female wrestler type build with some SKILL all of a sudden, I have hope for the women's division yet.

And I love that idea for Santino. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the WWE missed a potentially interesting storyline on RAW. Jamie Noble had problems with William Regal for a while, and then the WWE went to Chicago and I think they wanted to get D'Lo Brown on the card. I'd have liked to have seen D'Lo Brown and Jamie Noble team up against William Regal & Paul Burchill. D'Lo and Noble win that match, and then Burchill beats Noble the next week, with a blue-blooded beat-down after the match, with D'Lo making the save.

All the while, Jamie Noble is trying to impress Layla, while D'Lo actually seems to be doing it. To be honest, I'd like to see the WWE take a crack at that angle even now. A potential D'Lo Brown vs. Jamie Noble feud down the line could rock.

I'd also like to see a WWE Intergender Tag Team Championship estalished, at least periodically, on RAW. There seems to be enough couples to justify this move: Glamarella, The Burchills, John Cena/Kofi Kingston & Mickie James, Jamie Noble & Layla. The belts would mainly be used as lower-card comedy props, but Santino & Beth as "Transgender Champions of the World" as Santino would refer to them, could be awesome. You don't even need to make the belts official. Just take a page out of ROH's playbook.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Few more thoughts:

1) Women's wrestling: I think in today's WWE, the women are getting *way* too much TV and/or wrestling time. Although I believe that women *do* have a place in the WWE, it shouldn't be to the extent that we see now (sorry if this sounds sexist). Former WWE superstar Terri Runnels also made a similar observation recently. Women should get similar TV time as they got during the Attitude Era.

2) I'd love to see Christian back. His TNA contract is coming to a close if I'm not mistaken. Christian in the WWE would be awesome....and I truly hope that Vince doesn't hold a childish grudge here.

3) Kudos to Foley for leaving to TNA. Vince is an asshole and deserves to have a class act like Foley walk out on his ass. Good for him. Speaking of which - now that Foley is in TNA, I wonder if this could increase TNA's chances of getting.......The Rock...to make a one or two special guest appearances. FYI - Dwayne Johnson legally owns the rights to the name "The Rock."

4) If the WWE is intent on bringing back Austin for one last match (at Mania...in his home state of Texas), he should fight either Cena or Batista. Austin should win the rumble, and face either Cena or Batista for the title. Orton's name has been mentioned but to be honest.....I don't think Orton is a big enough star for Austin (atleast the way Orton has been portrayed in the WWE). IF Austin jobs to Orton, it would just make Austin look bad (even more than it would make Orton look good).

I'd much rather see Austin vs. Cena or Austin vs. Batista....for the title. Austin could win the match and retire with the title the next night. This could then lead to the WWE going to back to having ONE world title within the entire company.

5) Getting back to my response to Noid (regarding Dreamer). Although it would be nice to see Dreamer get pushed (with a mini ECW stable backing him up), he unfortunately just hasn't been built up enough to make it look credible in my opinion. That's why - I'd rather someone like RVD (if he comes back) get this type of push. Dreamer could be an awesome hench-man though.

1) I disagree, but I do see your point. I think the quality of the programming with the women is getting better. It just needs to stay consistent. No more Slut Searches, and a focus on the real stars of the divisions like Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Natalya and hopefully Gail Kim.

2) Christian back in the WWE would be epic.

3) I agree completely with you. The WWE really seemed to take Mick Foley as a commentator for them for granted. Hopefully Mick Foley can increase interest in TNA and ROH, even if he doesn't effect ratings and sales, per se. As a commentator, he would make a fantastic replacement for Don West. A Mike Tenay & Mick Foley team could easily be the best in professional wrestling.

I don't think Dwayne Johnson wants much to do with wrestling, but TNA must be looking better and better to him. Mick Foley is there, as is Jeff Jarrett. The Rock appearing there would be epic for them. Especially if he helped make a star like he has been known to do, at times.

4) Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. John Cena is definitely the winner of those two suggestions. It could actually make a really good story. John Cena wins the World Heavyweight Championship for the first time, and is actually a heel. Austin wins the Royal Rumble in impressive fashion, making it his fourth victory in the match, and Cena threatens to break Austin's neck, etc. You can go with Cena retaining the title at WrestleMania XXV to mega-heat, or the title change, the roof getting blown off the place, and Austin actually winning the big gold belt, and leaving his stamp on the relatively young championship.

5) If Rob Van Dam returns, I think he would be best as a big face. However, if he did do the whole extremist thing, I'd love to see him challenge The Undertaker, who would be a representative of "the WWE" and "sports entertainment." Rob Van Dam is something like 5-0 at WrestleMania, so a battle between the streaks could be really good.

If they signed RVD for a few years, Van Dam actually going over The Undertaker, and getting a very strong push as a heel (or at least with shades of grey), and getting a lot of momentum into his career would be fantastic.

[El Fangel]

My thoughts on what WWE could/should do

- Get Christian Back - Have him feud with Edge, yes it has been done before, but Edge was clearly the bigger star (more pushed) now that Christian has established himself as a true and reliable main eventer in another fed, it would make for a great feud between him and Edge.

- Have Matt and Jeff Hardy feud, with Jeff turning on Matt ala Heel Turn swerve, say for example when Jeff wins his next title, WWE/IC, Matt come congradulate him, but when he does, Jeff say "I could have had this so much sooner in my career, but you were in my way for far too long", somehow I can see this catering to fans who love the Hardyz extreme matches, and insane bumps, I say this should be over the IC title, It would make for a wonderful mid-card feud, and put both over even more. I know Jeff should be WWE Champ, but if that doesnt happen, this should.

- Now, as you have read both of those, think about this. Matt Hardy and Christian vs Edge and Jeff Hardy\

Thats right, Matt and Christian as Faces, and Jeff and Edge as super heels, not only would this captialize on the Edge/Matt stuff, it would add a strange mix to WWE, and provide new storylines, brother on brother hate. I could see this ending in a beautiful TLC Match

- Christopher Daniels/AJ Styles/Samoa Joe - Do a reverse TNA, WWE has the money, with the chemistry these guys have, in TNA, and ROH, and with CM Punk, they already have established themselves as upper-midcard/Main Eventers, this could liven up the mid-card, and make title races mean something.

- make more tag teams

- get the cruiserweight title back, and make it entertaining

- make the womans divison watchable

- get rid of that fucking spinning belt, and have it look like the pride of the company, not a wal-mart toy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My thoughts on what WWE could/should do

- Get Christian Back - Have him feud with Edge, yes it has been done before, but Edge was clearly the bigger star (more pushed) now that Christian has established himself as a true and reliable main eventer in another fed, it would make for a great feud between him and Edge.

- Have Matt and Jeff Hardy feud, with Jeff turning on Matt ala Heel Turn swerve, say for example when Jeff wins his next title, WWE/IC, Matt come congradulate him, but when he does, Jeff say "I could have had this so much sooner in my career, but you were in my way for far too long", somehow I can see this catering to fans who love the Hardyz extreme matches, and insane bumps, I say this should be over the IC title, It would make for a wonderful mid-card feud, and put both over even more. I know Jeff should be WWE Champ, but if that doesnt happen, this should.

- Now, as you have read both of those, think about this. Matt Hardy and Christian vs Edge and Jeff Hardy\

Thats right, Matt and Christian as Faces, and Jeff and Edge as super heels, not only would this captialize on the Edge/Matt stuff, it would add a strange mix to WWE, and provide new storylines, brother on brother hate. I could see this ending in a beautiful TLC Match

- Christopher Daniels/AJ Styles/Samoa Joe - Do a reverse TNA, WWE has the money, with the chemistry these guys have, in TNA, and ROH, and with CM Punk, they already have established themselves as upper-midcard/Main Eventers, this could liven up the mid-card, and make title races mean something.

- make more tag teams

- get the cruiserweight title back, and make it entertaining

- make the womans divison watchable

- get rid of that fucking spinning belt, and have it look like the pride of the company, not a wal-mart toy.

-If Christian were to feud with Edge, I'd love to see him start banging Vickie Guerrero as the rebound fuck. As if Christian couldn't make that hilarious. The only thing is that Edge is established as a mega-heel, but his new character would make it possible for him to make the face transaction, I think.

-The Hardys feuding would be cool, but I'm just trying to work out what I'd like more: two little shit-head brothers (Jeff Hardy & Christian) teaming up as heels, with the older two finding some measure of respect for each other; or Matt Hardy turns on Jeff, claims to have always been the special brother, and he teams up with Christian as Jeff Hardy finds back-up in Edge.

-Samoa Joe, AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels in the WWE would make an IC/US Title scene. Don't ask my why, but I'd mark the fuck out for a Chris Daniels vs. Undertaker feud, with Daniels "doing God's work."

-More tag teams would be lovely. Some ideas: D'Lo Brown & Jamie Noble, William Regal & Paul Burchill (full-time), Paul London & Evan Bourne, Lance Cade & Johnny Jeter, Billy Kidman & Norman Smiley (The FCW Trainers), Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas, The Great Khali & Kenny Dykstra, Umaga & Armando Estrada, Chavo Guerrero & Gregory Helms. Just throwing them out there.

-I actually agree with the cruiserweight division being gone, just because it seems cruiserweights can go further without it being there. However, it'd probably be a good idea with Super Crazy getting a slight push, Chavo Guerrero currently aimless, Funaki not doing anything but costing money, and Sicodelico and Don Caras apparently coming in.

-The women's division is making some good tracks. Victoria needs a bigger push, though.

-The Brian Kendrick winning the WWE Title and converting it to something more special would be amazing.

[El Fangel]

-If Christian were to feud with Edge, I'd love to see him start banging Vickie Guerrero as the rebound fuck. As if Christian couldn't make that hilarious. The only thing is that Edge is established as a mega-heel, but his new character would make it possible for him to make the face transaction, I think.

That would be funny yes, but that storyline is too WWE if you know what I mean.

Maybe in the weeks leading up to a PPV, Have some videos run (not giving anything away) with lines like

"You have not forgotten about me have you?"

Then a title match is set at the PPV, and out comes Vickie, who says, "You havent forgotten about me have you Edge? What you did to me? Well I think I know someone who has not forgotton you, someone you have forsaken as your inferior, well let me say, In the ring and out, he is by far your superior"

Cue Christian standing behind Edge.

-The Hardys feuding would be cool, but I'm just trying to work out what I'd like more: two little shit-head brothers (Jeff Hardy & Christian) teaming up as heels, with the older two finding some measure of respect for each other; or Matt Hardy turns on Jeff, claims to have always been the special brother, and he teams up with Christian as Jeff Hardy finds back-up in Edge.

With the history I can see Matt and Edge working together, but it would be mad cool, Then again, seeing Jeff as a heel in WWE would be very cool also.

-Samoa Joe, AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels in the WWE would make an IC/US Title scene. Don't ask my why, but I'd mark the fuck out for a Chris Daniels vs. Undertaker feud, with Daniels "doing God's work."

...Or a New Ministry, where when Taker retires, Daniels could take over his place in WWE and as leader.

-More tag teams would be lovely. Some ideas: D'Lo Brown & Jamie Noble, William Regal & Paul Burchill (full-time), Paul London & Evan Bourne, Lance Cade & Johnny Jeter, Billy Kidman & Norman Smiley (The FCW Trainers), Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas, The Great Khali & Kenny Dykstra, Umaga & Armando Estrada, Chavo Guerrero & Gregory Helms. Just throwing them out there.

All cept Khali, he should be teamed with Umaga and armando and have Armando as their translator/third stablemate

-I actually agree with the cruiserweight division being gone, just because it seems cruiserweights can go further without it being there. However, it'd probably be a good idea with Super Crazy getting a slight push, Chavo Guerrero currently aimless, Funaki not doing anything but costing money, and Sicodelico and Don Caras apparently coming in.

Upon reading that, I agree. Then again, for guys who arent IC status, what to vhy for other then Tag Titles, It would cluster the tag division too much.

I think bring the hardcore title back, with new rules, title is available as 24/7 ONLY during the show, and not during matches or PPV's

It would give the lower mid-card something to do, help with pushes.

-The women's division is making some good tracks. Victoria needs a bigger push, though.

They need to fire alot of divas

-The Brian Kendrick winning the WWE Title and converting it to something more special would be amazing.

Pre Lesnar, or Lesnar title is what it should look like.

[Heyman]

-Triple H and Shawn Michaels "reverence" to Ric Flair: Just a "random thought" (hence, the title of this thread).

Does anyone else think that during the whole "Ric Flair farewell tour" ordeal, Triple H and Shawn Michaels greatly exaagerated their love and respect for Flair (all in an effort to make Ric Flair look like a bigger star than Hulk Hogan).

Call me crazy, but I think this was a large part of their motivation. Triple H and HBK hate Hogan so much, that they wanted one of "their" guy's to be made to look like a bigger legend. Aside from Hogan, I also wouldn't be surprised if this was an indirect shot at The Rock and Stone Cold (i.e. Flair is the greatest of all-time!!!!).

Having said that - I *do* think that HBK and HHH respect Flair.......just nowhere the near the extent as they would lead you to believe.

[TerranRich]

You're paranoid.

[Heyman]

You're paranoid.

Maybe not as much as you think.

Think about it. Triple H and HBK *hate* Hulk Hogan....but why?

-Was it because he was a lackluster wrestler and worker? If so, then why not hate Kevin Nash?

-Was it because he was very selective as to who he jobbed to? Triple H and HBK are also extremely guilty of this.

In my opinion - the *only* thing it comes down to, is that fact that HBK and HHH hate Hogan, because Hogan was the bigger legend....and bigger star. Unlike HBK, HHH, etc., Hulk Hogan became a house hold name outside of wrestling...as did The Rock (surprise surprise...HHH took a shot at The Rock during the WWE Hall of Fame Ceremony).

Since Hogan is household name OUTSIDE the wrestling world, guys like HBK and HHH became insanely jealous. Hence - a part of their motivation for 'over-glorifying' Flair in his retirement/farewell tour/ceremony.

LETS MAKE FLAIR LOOK LIKE THE GREATEST.

Let's make Flair look like a bigger star than Hogan.

[Juan]

That's a very good point Heyman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does Triple H actually hate Hogan? I'm sure he recently called Hulk Hogan "the greatest ever" in an interview with WWE Magazine. Unless he was being sarcastic, but he dropped the WWE Title pretty quickly to Hogan in 2002.

[Heyman]

Does Triple H actually hate Hogan? I'm sure he recently called Hulk Hogan "the greatest ever" in an interview with WWE Magazine. Unless he was being sarcastic, but he dropped the WWE Title pretty quickly to Hogan in 2002.

Perhaps me saying that Triple H HATES Hogan is a bit extreme, but I do feel that there's some major jealousy there (just as there's jealousy for The Rock and Stone Cold).

Triple H jobbed the title to Hogan in 2002, but it may have also been a long term strategy on HHH/Vince's part (i.e. job now, prove that we're team players, have a long title run in the future).

Hogan also did the JOB back to HHH.....and had to say something along the lines of, "He has no problem with shaking hands with the better man."

Personally? I like Triple H (Paul Levesque) and respect the fact that he's so driven to be at the top. I can't blame the guy for anything that he's done. However - I do question his "agenda's" a lot. Remember how a half a year or so ago how Triple H was "dismissive" of Jericho (sarcastically calling him "The Savior").

Anyway - just my $0.02.

[BigDaddyCool]

Maybe not as much as you think.

Think about it. Triple H and HBK *hate* Hulk Hogan....but why?

-Was it because he was a lackluster wrestler and worker? If so, then why not hate Kevin Nash?

-Was it because he was very selective as to who he jobbed to? Triple H and HBK are also extremely guilty of this.

In my opinion - the *only* thing it comes down to, is that fact that HBK and HHH hate Hogan, because Hogan was the bigger legend....and bigger star. Unlike HBK, HHH, etc., Hulk Hogan became a house hold name outside of wrestling...as did The Rock (surprise surprise...HHH took a shot at The Rock during the WWE Hall of Fame Ceremony).

Since Hogan is household name OUTSIDE the wrestling world, guys like HBK and HHH became insanely jealous. Hence - a part of their motivation for 'over-glorifying' Flair in his retirement/farewell tour/ceremony.

LETS MAKE FLAIR LOOK LIKE THE GREATEST.

Let's make Flair look like a bigger star than Hogan.

Or could it be that Flair did more for wrestling than Hogan?

Plus Nash is a great wrestler.