View Full Version : "Year 10: The I STILL got Screwed Story... And I'm Better Than Flair." By Bret Hart
Nark Order
10-08-2008, 12:15 AM
Former WWE Champion Bret Hart commented on writing about the his side of the Montreal incident for his autobiography in an interview with Alfonso Castillo of Newsday Steel Cage blog. “I wanted them to at least look and put themselves in my shoes and put themselves in the dressing room and asked themselves if they had been me, what would they have done? Would they have had – for the lack of a better word – would they have had the balls to get up and knock him out? To stand up and do something about it? I could sense that day that it was kind of like everybody, or a lot of people, would have expected me to just blow it off and maybe say a few words to him and tell him he was a real jerk or something like that – slam the door and walk out,” Hart said. “I think that’s what Vince (McMahon) was looking for. That’s all anybody ever does. Everyone is so job scared. But for me it was different. I grew up with wrestling, like Vince did. It was my whole life, and my whole family had given so much for the industry. And I thought about how much it would hurt my father at home and my kids were watching. I thought what I did and how I handled things was a defining moment for me and my character – not my wrestling character, but my own character as a human being. I always thought it was the best thing I ever did." Bret also commented on working with Ric Flair. “People always talk about who the best wrestlers are. I actually go to maybe too much of an explanation about someone like Ric Flair for example. They rave about Ric Flair about being this great, great wrestler. And he was a great wrestler in many ways. But, in a lot of ways, like working with him in the ring, he was not so great. And for someone to contest that with me or argue with me that I don’t know what I’m talking about, things like that drive me crazy. Because it’s not true. They don’t know what they’re talking about. I know. I’ve worked with some of the greatest wrestlers of all time.”
So, anybody tired of Bret singin the same "think I'm great casue I punched Vince in the face" song that he's been singing for 10 years?
Also, as far as the part about Flair... Is Bret really the guy to talk? Sure he was great once but then he decided to throw a ten year long sniveling bitch fit. That isn't very great in my opinion. Flair continued to entertain until his body literally made him retire. That's an admirable trait IMO. Convincing people to feel sorry for you for a full decade isn't.
:| & :wave: don't sell books.
:mad: & :foc: do.
Also, as far as the part about Flair... Is Bret really the guy to talk? Sure he was great once but then he decided to throw a ten year long sniveling bitch fit. That isn't very great in my opinion. Flair continued to entertain until his body literally made him retire. That's an admirable trait IMO. Convincing people to feel sorry for you for a full decade isn't.
Pretty sure Bret Hart retired because of the concussion and the subsequent stroke. I'm sure Bret would still be wrestling if it weren't for that fact.
Nark Order
10-08-2008, 12:22 AM
Yeah, it would be different if there was another developement once in awhile I guess. He just tells the same exact god damned story every single year like it's new information.
Nark Order
10-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Pretty sure Bret Hart retired because of the concussion and the subsequent stroke. I'm sure Bret would still be wrestling if it weren't for that fact.
My fault, I guess his run in WCW slipped my mind. Wonder why? Oh, maybe it's because it was fucking terrible and should never be spoken of ever again.
Dunno, Bret kinda died to me after his time in WWF. The constant bitching cause really made me not care.
TerranRich
10-08-2008, 12:56 AM
:| & :wave: don't sell books.
:mad: & :foc: do.
The TPWW Smiley Theory of Best-Sellers.
The TPWW Smiley Theory of Best-Sellers.
Saved a helluva lot of typing.
Ben Rodrigues
10-08-2008, 05:18 AM
Bret will always be better than Flair.
Theo Dious
10-08-2008, 09:54 AM
Ah yes. Bret Hart, the man who sees himself as a hero to children and his country says that directing his anger into physical violence towards his boss was the best thing he ever did. Remember that, all you young Canadians, the next time you feel you aren't getting what you deserve, you should hit somebody.
Then write a book about it.
BigDaddyCool
10-08-2008, 10:09 AM
Shawn Micheals > Bret Hart
KingofOldSchool
10-08-2008, 10:12 AM
What do Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart have in common?
They have all the STROKE!
Nark Order
10-08-2008, 10:13 AM
Shawn Micheals > Bret Hart
Yeah. Shawn not only won every battle but the war as well. Wasn't much of a rivalry really.
Ah yes. Bret Hart, the man who sees himself as a hero to children and his country says that directing his anger into physical violence towards his boss was the best thing he ever did. Remember that, all you young Canadians, the next time you feel you aren't getting what you deserve, you should hit somebody.
Jesus you're a fucking idiot.
Vastardikai
10-08-2008, 01:26 PM
I bet Bret's book will be one thing that Shawn's book isn't:
HONEST.
Evolution
10-08-2008, 01:28 PM
If Bret had just put Shawn over in the first place, the whole thing could have been avoided. For someone who grew up in the business, he didn't really treat it with much respect to refuse to lose one company's title before going to another.
And yes, Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart
If Bret had just put Shawn over in the first place, the whole thing could have been avoided. For someone who grew up in the business, he didn't really treat it with much respect to refuse to lose one company's title before going to another.
And yes, Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart
For the last time - Vince McMahon gave him creative control and was breaching his contract. Bret Hart didn't owe Vince McMahon a thing. McMahon ain't exactly done what was best for his talent over the years.
Oh and Montreal happening changed the business so much that it had the biggest boom in the history of the industry. Would you really want to avoid that?
I bet Bret's book will be one thing that Shawn's book isn't:
HONEST.
It's shockingly honest actually. One of my friends who is a huge Hart fan said he loved the book when I gave it to him but he went a bit sour on Hart for having an ego.
Every single star in the business with the exception of The Rock all had an ego. They wouldn't have been top guys without it.
Jeritron
10-08-2008, 02:37 PM
Zen vwo will be coming around the mountain when he comes YEEHA
Can't wait for his epic response.
Jeritron
10-08-2008, 02:47 PM
Everytime a thread like this is posted it alerts him.
The Bret Signal goes up and he arrives at TPWW via some crazy means. Whether it be a voice activated neumatic suction tube under his desk at work, or a fish tank triggered Iron Maiden he stands inside to slide down a tunnel.
Thriller
10-08-2008, 04:53 PM
Ive read Brets book and it is up there as one of my favs right next to Dynamite Kid but certain aspect of it did make him come off as an ego maniac though one can make a claim he earned the right
As for his bitching.Maybe if people stopped asking about it he wouldnt talk about it just a thought.
As for all the HBK lovers saying Bret is a douche for not wanting to drop the title to him.The main reason for that is because Shawn refused the same thing and instead of dropping the title to Bret "lost his smile" I also remember hear how HBK was refusing to drop the belt to stone cold.So HBK has pulled the same shit as Bret did.
Good Ol JG
10-08-2008, 06:57 PM
Couple things:
Someone said all Bret hart does is talk about Montreal and Ric Flair and has been doing that for 10 years. Well, read this -
"Former WWE Champion Bret Hart commented on writing about the his side of the Montreal incident for his autobiography in an interview with Alfonso Castillo of Newsday Steel Cage blog"
Notice that word in bold? If you didn't, here it is again INTERVIEW. If the guy is constantly interviewed about it, he's probably going to constantly talk about it. Has he thrown a bitch fit? Yes, absolutely, but he's not the only one to bring it up, so do interviewers, fans, and the WWE every fuckin chance they can, either to further Vince or Shawn as heels or to tease the fans with a Bret return.
Next thing...Bret DID put Shawn Michaels over. Wrestlemania 12 anyone? That's a fact, no disputing that. Now whether or not the Bret Hart/Dave Meltzer "True Story" is the truth or not, who knows? It's all subjective, you believe who you want. Maybe Shawn refused the job, maybe he didn't. I really don't care because as far as I'm concerned both men were in the wrong and so was Vince McMahon. Another fact: all three men are raving fucking egomaniacs, and rightfully so. And to a certain extent, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart both acted like fucking children wanting daddy's approval, and Vince chose the child he loved more, it is what it is. Bret's probably bitter about that, he probably has a right to be. To me there is no one who comes off "in the right" in Montreal, and personally, I wish we didn't still talk about it. And goddamn if it wasn't 11 years ago, let's let it die already.
At least some people are starting to catch on about who actually keeps bringing it up.
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thedamndest
10-08-2008, 09:24 PM
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Hang on a minute!
Is Hart tapping there???? :eek:
thedamndest
10-08-2008, 09:32 PM
Hart? All I see is another picture of a dead horse being beaten.
Technically, the horse is in the Sharpshooter.
Serious question. Would there have been a more discussed topic (in its various forms) in the wrestling forum over the years?
Loose Cannon
10-08-2008, 09:48 PM
:shifty:
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/b/brethart/57.jpg
Is that Charlie Haas? :shifty:
KingofOldSchool
10-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Hang on a minute!
Is Hart tapping there???? :eek:
Yes.
He's going "HELP ME! HELP ME! THE SHOWSTOPPER IS KICKING MY BUTT! HEEELLLP ME!"
:shifty:
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/b/brethart/57.jpg
Bret: So this will be the finish, pinky swear?
Shawn: Pinky swear!
Heyman
10-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Bret Hart is the greater legend than HBK, but Bret is pathetic for CONSTANTLY talking about "the screw job" even when others bring it up. If Bret was truly 'over it' or 'the bigger man', he'd simply say (to the interviewer), "You know what man....it was a long time ago...I'm over it." Period.
Bret is either doing this for the money (controversy sells), or because he truly hasn't gotten over it.
Shawn Michaels (Michael Hickenbottom) is a joke (human being...not wrestler) and his faith in Christianity is also garbage. However - as unfortunate as it is, Bret is actually making Hickenbottom to look like the bigger man.
Theo Dious
10-08-2008, 10:24 PM
Jesus you're a fucking idiot.
Wow. Your prowess of discussion is staggering.
That's just him acting out in a way any Bret Hart fan would.
ron the dial
10-08-2008, 10:50 PM
do people still care about this?
Jeritron
10-08-2008, 10:57 PM
I no longer discuss or give any opinion on the issue
FourFifty
10-08-2008, 11:11 PM
do people still care about this?
Seems Bret does, if hs'e still talking about it.
Now I'm not going to say "yay bret" or "fuck bret" (albeit by now I'm sure most of you know what side I'm on) but as a man, he needs to get over it. He didn't want to play ball with his boss, which is the worst thing to do, ever. He made his choice, and he has to live with it.
I'm sure Bret would get more support from the fans if he didn't openly bitch about it every few months.
Pardeep 619
10-09-2008, 05:37 AM
If Bret was truly 'over it' or 'the bigger man', he'd simply say (to the interviewer), "You know what man....it was a long time ago...I'm over it." Period.
I can see why you (and probably others) would think that, but I personally feel if he did say that to an interviewer and not discuss about it then he would probably come across as still being bitter, especially if the interviewer asks questions about Owen and Stu etc and he opened up about that.
Dave Youell
10-09-2008, 07:52 AM
This is the first time I've EVER heard of this, this is brand new news to me.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention
omg there was a screwjob?? WHEN?!
DaveBrawl
10-09-2008, 09:10 AM
If somebody was paying me that much money to show up and tell the same story over and over again, everyone had better be ready to hear that story a lot. Same situation here.
Is it old news? Yes.
Are we tired of hearing it? Yes.
Is Bret tired of telling it? I'd have to say yes.
Is he still getting paid to tell it? Yes.
Are we going to continue hearing it until he stops getting asked/paid about it? Yes.
Don't see why everyone gets so worked up over it. It's the same thing everyone of us would do unless we were incredibly stupid enough to turn down easy money.
DaveBrawl
10-09-2008, 09:10 AM
If anything we should be upset with the people who ask him the same question 1000 different ways and expect a different answer.
Loose Cannon
10-09-2008, 09:31 AM
:y:
Heyman
10-09-2008, 01:54 PM
but I personally feel if he did say that to an interviewer and not discuss about it then he would probably come across as
I don't see it that way at all. All Bret has (had?) to do in this situation, is say, "Look...it happened a long time ago. Vince and I are on decent terms now, Shawn Michaels has become a better person, and I think it's time that we all move on.' PERIOD.
Heck - even if Bret DOESN'T believe that HBK has truly "evolved", Bret would still look like a much bigger man by saying that. Instead - Bret, like a bitter idiot, continues to talk trash whenever the subject is brought up. He may not INITIATE these conversations, but he JUMPS at the opportunity when others bring it up. To me - that indicates one of two things (or both):
1) Bret still isn't over the Screw Job.
2) Bret knows that by continuously talking about it, there is $$$ in it for Bret....and people still keep Bret in mind.
It's interesting how Bret continues to trash Vince, etc., but had no problem accepting the WWE Hall of fame induction.
Loose Cannon
10-09-2008, 02:01 PM
I will say this from personal experience. When I went to the NWA Fanfest here is Charlotte in 2005, Bret did a Q&A there with about 100-200 people. He said at the beginning of the session that he didn't want to spend time on two subjects: Owen Death and Montreal. He reasoned because he gets asked about it all the time. And he never mentioned anything about eathier of them throughout the 2 hour Q & A.
Blue Demon
10-09-2008, 02:06 PM
If anything we should be upset with the people who ask him the same question 1000 different ways and expect a different answer.
:y:
Heyman
10-09-2008, 02:23 PM
I will say this from personal experience. When I went to the NWA Fanfest here is Charlotte in 2005, Bret did a Q&A there with about 100-200 people. He said at the beginning of the session that he didn't want to spend time on two subjects: Owen Death and Montreal. He reasoned because he gets asked about it all the time. And he never mentioned anything about eathier of them throughout the 2 hour Q & A.
If that truly is the case, then perhaps I was a little TOO harsh on Bret.
Having said that - I STILL think that it's sad that Bret trashes Vince and HBK on certain occassions (and still talks about Montreal at certain times).
Wow. Your prowess of discussion is staggering.
I don't have discussions with morons. Sorry.
Thank you, come again.
BigDaddyCool
10-09-2008, 03:12 PM
I don't have discussions with morons. Sorry.
Thank you, come again.
Fact, you and I have had plenty of discussions. Fact, BDC is indeed a morons. Since both of those statements are true, you do have discussions with morons. So, you are indeed a liar. A welsh, hart loving, liar.
What do you have to say for yourself now? Hmmmm?
Heyman
10-09-2008, 03:54 PM
Rob,
You know I love you buddy but seriously.....I think if anyone actually *is* angrier about the Montreal Screwjob than Bret Hart himself, that person would be you.
It's amazing how most people that 'sympathize' with Bret Hart also feel like 'victims' in life.
By the way - not a flame............just an observation.
Jeritron
10-09-2008, 03:55 PM
Guys, come on. Fuck it.
Heyman
10-09-2008, 04:00 PM
Guys, come on. Fuck it.
Fuck what?...the Canadian flag? ;)
I swear - one of these days, a crazed Bret Hart mark *will* assassinate Shawn Michaels for what he did in 1997. :(
The only question that remains is who will do it? Zen or Rob? :p
Rob,
You know I love you buddy but seriously.....I think if anyone actually *is* angrier about the Montreal Screwjob than Bret Hart himself, that person would be you.
It's amazing how most people that 'sympathize' with Bret Hart also feel like 'victims' in life.
By the way - not a flame............just an observation.
I can't talk for Bret Hart but every interview where Montreal gets brought up, he always mentions how he is on speaking terms with Vince McMahon and is LOOOOOOOONG over it. He continously says the stroke he had ended any bitterness he had in his life, not just that night.
And as for me, it only bothers me how people ignore facts and keep harping on about this like it's something new people will change their minds on.
And just so i know, how do I feel like a victim?
Fuck what?...the Canadian flag? ;)
I swear - one of these days, a crazed Bret Hart mark *will* assassinate Shawn Michaels for what he did in 1997. :(
The only question that remains is who will do it? Zen or Rob? :p
Man if I only had a gun and a steady finger :D
A little off topic but I love how people go on about my man love for Bret and never bring up how much I've rated Shawn Michaels since his comeback and how he was one half of my tag team man crush.
Zen v.W.o.
10-11-2008, 06:19 PM
My fault, I guess his run in WCW slipped my mind. Wonder why? Oh, maybe it's because it was fucking terrible and should never be spoken of ever again.
Dunno, Bret kinda died to me after his time in WWF. The constant bitching cause really made me not care.
Blame the higher ups who hadnt a clue then, not Bret. Bret was still putting on the best matches there while being fucked over by clueless guys in charge of things, hence why the promotion died.
And Bret only talks about it whenever asked about it. That's what people always bring up with him whenever they interview the guy.
Anyways his book is fucking primo. Pick it up.
Super V
10-11-2008, 06:33 PM
Not gonna lie I actually enjoyed Bret's run in WCW, post Owen Hart's death. Up until nWo 2000 came around anyway.
Heyman
10-11-2008, 08:08 PM
Blame the higher ups who hadnt a clue then, not Bret. Bret was still putting on the best matches there while being fucked over by clueless guys in charge of things, hence why the promotion died.
And Bret only talks about it whenever asked about it. That's what people always bring up with him whenever they interview the guy.
Anyways his book is fucking primo. Pick it up.
Zen! :love:
I was getting worried about you for awhile there. This thread is 4 days old and we hadn't heard from you.
Being a Canadian (and unlike that asshole Scott Delaney poster.....:shifty:), I'll always love Bret. While I do think HBK was the better wrestler (by the slimmest margin), Bret is easily one of the greatest wrestlers of all-time. IMO - here is the top 5.
1) Kurt Angle
2) Dynamite Kid
3) Shawn Michaels
4) Bret Hart
5) Ric Flair
Bret however, atleast in my opinion, was a bigger legend than HBK.
Top 5 superstars/legends in wrestling history (IMO).
1) Hulk Hogan
2) Steve Austin
3) The Rock
4) Ric Flair
5) Bret Hart
My only annoyance with Bret (and even you have to admit this), is that he DOES (on certain occasion) jump at the fact to attack HBK and Vince.....even when others are the ones bringing it up. In my opinion - Bret would prove himself to be a FAR bigger man if he NEVER spoke about this issue...period. All he has to do (when others bring it up), is smile and say....lets let the past be the past.
And Zen - that is my *non* trolling opinion....and I'm glad to see you around.
v.W.o. 4 lyfe.
St. Jimmy
10-11-2008, 08:12 PM
This is the biggest case of being Butt Hurt ever.
Destor
10-13-2008, 02:36 PM
TPWW has declared Flair the superior wrestler, fued over.
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