ECW

[glycerine]

Well, maybe wwe reads here...

A new ECW is inevitible Lets make suggestions to them on how to make it good and not screw it up. lets list the do;'s and don'ts of ECW v.2

Allright i am not gonna be the best at this we need someone who watched ECW from its prime, iu just saw it later on...

Veterans... help... that means peopple probably over 20

[The CyNick]

Seems like a bad idea.

You wont have the ECW feel, ie the fans, the buildings, the crappy lighting, etc.

They wont have a touring schedule, they would likely just become a TV product, which seems kinda pointless to me.

I would rather, if they want to do an ECW deal, is to have them use ECW a rouge faction on RAW i would imagine. That would be a decent deal for some midcard guys, and at least they would still all be on the major shows.

I just dont see where the depth is for a third brand at this point.

[The Icon of Elisim]

I wouldn't have the roster full of vets. The show shouldn't be based around guys like RVD and the Dudleys just because they were in ECW. Let it be a program for up and comers in OVW and the indie scene and guys who aren't being used. Give Paul Heyman creative control and some cash to get guys that he wants.

Most importantly it needs a good timeslot.

[Loose Cannon]

Good point CyNick. I'd rather see ECW as a rougue faction then an entirely different brand. Maybe they could do a deal where Heyman gets the rights to run ECW matches on the Raw and Smackdown shows or somethig.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I wouldn't have the roster full of vets. The show shouldn't be based around guys like RVD and the Dudleys just because they were in ECW. Let it be a program for up and comers in OVW and the indie scene and guys who aren't being used. Give Paul Heyman creative control and some cash to get guys that he wants.

Most importantly it needs a good timeslot.

Do NOT give Paul Heyman money. Let him say who he wants, Heyman must not handle money.

[Boondock Saint]

I didn't get to watch much ECW because I worked friday nights. But I liked what I saw. I agree it wouldn't feel the same and everything, but I would still mark out for it.

[Iceman90]

Vince would never let ECW actually be like ECW. It would be watered down WWE Hardcore style wrestling.

[rottednation]

I just want to see old chool ECW. That's why I have my videos.

[Corkscrewed]

Cynick is right. Don't have ECW be a new brand... make it a true invasion force that strikes randomly on both shows. It'd be pretty cool IMO, and it would add to the unpredictability. The whole faction is a sort of loose cannon. You never know when it will go off. If they do work it like that, a faction, not a brand, would be the best way to go.

[rottednation]

It honestly would be reall great if the new ECW was run just as it was before, but because there is no way for this to happen, I agree with THE ICON OF ELISIM when said not to keep the vets. It shoudln't be run that way, but rather with new talent, and new characters. I mean, the vets would be great and all, but lets see some young new faces wrestling. Y'know, with Vince's lame ass, he'd just f*ck it all up. (With the rumors about WCW, the same about f*cking it all up.) Just doesn't know how to run it the way people want to see it...

[Tornado]

Anything the WWE do will only ruin the legacy of ECW.

[Gertner]

Do's-scrap the whole idea.

Don't- Reform ECW. Don't ruin it's legacy!

[mitch_h]

I hate the idea. Like CyNick stated it would not feel like ECW at all... it would feel more like WWE presents ECW or something. I also don't want to see guys like New Jack the Sandman again. On top of that I don't want guys who are currently in the WWE to switch over to ECW aside from maybe London.

I'm more for what TIOE suggested, grab ahold of the indy talent out there and mix it with a couple of the more talented ECW vets such as Lynn, Super Crazy, Corino, Raven ect.

Although I'm personally for scrapping the whole idea.

[tucsonspeed6]

Do: Not only make sure that Heyman has complete control over everything on the show except the money

Do: Lock his ass up in front of a typewriter and make damn sure he writes the stuff himself.

Do Not: Let Heyman have a team of writers help him realize that what the show was missing was an Ammish guy that screams "Chicken"

Do Not: Start a show that is based on intensified violence in this time of FCC regulations.

[Corkscrewed]

To make a brief amendment to my idea.. make the new renegade group a stable or faction, not a brand, and don't actually call it ECW. Just have it do stuff that reminds people of ECW. It can basically run under a new name, just using a twist of an old idea.

[Rob]

ECW has to be like a new NWO but it has to be 100% renegade meaning the top star of the group can't be anyone WWE produced nor a former WWE champion. I have no problem calling it ECW or using the old ECW music.

[Vega]

If it were to actually be good they would have to send off most of the former ECW workers with Paul Heyman, tell Heyman he can do whatever he wants, only with WWE's budget. No limiting superstars movesets or any crap like that.

[glycerine]

ECW DO’s And Don’ts

Do’s
-Make Paul Heyman the Writer, booker, and head of ECW for real. Or let him select his own team.
-Give Heyman a budget to buy indy guys he wants.
-make it TVMA, don’t tone it down period. Give it a late night time slot preferably after raw smackdown or an hour on Saturday night.
-ECW’s Pay Per Views could be every other month as well on Tuesday Nights. Or don’t have ppvs for a while until its necessary then have it on a Tuesday night, even once ever few months.. its ecw and its an hour long.
-make one of the first matches Benoit V. Guerrero (either both come over as champions, really screwing with McMahon or one just lost his title and the other was champion. But make them keep the title and burn it or throw it away or destroy it or piss on it or something drastic like that before getting the new ECW title) V. one of the former ECW superstars it’ll be a great match, plus its ECW’s staple 3 way Match
-Hire Joel Gertner
-Hire Joey Styles
-bring in the following:
-1.Rob Van Dam
-2. Tommy Dreamer
-3. Steven Richards
-4. Rhyno
-5. Mike Awesome (maybe)
-6. Spike Dudley
-7. Bubba Ray Dudley
-8. Devon Dudley
-9. Tajiri
-10. Guido
- 11. Dawn Marie
-12. Jazz
-13. Lance Storm
-14. Chris Benoit (take the WWE Title Away! Have a tournament)
-15. Eddie Guerrero (or lose it to someone it can be interchangeable between either of these guys)
-16. Chuck Palumbo (FBI, maybe)
-17. Johnny Stamboli (maybe)
-18. Victoria (for steven Richards, maybe)
-19. MICK FOLEY!!!! (definitely add some cred)
- 20. Al Snow (if he’s still wrestling
-21. Billy Kidman
-22. Sandman
-23. Raven
-24. Terry Funk
-25. Sabu
-26. Joel Gertner (announcer)
-27. Joey Styles (“)
-28. Cyrus
-29. Paul Heyman
-30. Tazz (and get someone really good to replace him on SD, like Kevin Nash… he’s a good announcer actually!)
31. Mikey Whipreck (is he out of retirement?)
32- 40+. new indy guys or old ECW guys the other rosters have 35-40 each now as well

DONTS
-Don’t water it down!
-Don't make any moves illegal
-don’t make them all heels or faces,
-don’t change their character
-don’t interrupt storylines like Chris Jericho/ Christian/ trish
-don’t let vince run it!
-don’t let vince just hate upon it so much but don’t let him be ok with it, make it like a 3rd brand almost.. but a separate company, like raw and smackdown are now…
-don’t stop everything in the current WWE for this, make it big big big news, but don't let everybody else care, like half the guys will just continue their wrestling lifes without a care about it
- MAKE MONDAY NIGHT WCW!! UNLESS IT’S IN NAME ONLY!! But don’t let all the superstars go to it be WCW guys that’ll just be weird.

thanks

[Gertner]

if they are going to do it.

Bring back Doring and Roadkill, Balls Mahoney, coax Raven to come back, actually fu*k it. Like I said before, this has bad idea written all over it.

[Loose Cannon]

ECW has to be like a new NWO but it has to be 100% renegade meaning the top star of the group can't be anyone WWE produced nor a former WWE champion. I have no problem calling it ECW or using the old ECW music.

Exactly. The only person I can see leading the group is RVD, with Heyman by his side, of course. Nobody else really has the credibility to lead the group. Raven would be another choice, but I dont see him coming back at all. Now the question is, can RVD be a heel? Because you now the group will be heel with Heyman backing it. I think RVD can actually get over as a heel as long as Heyman is managing him and always coming out with him to handle the mic. Then you get the Dudleys to turn heel and go back to the way they were when they were in ECW. And then add just a couple of others. I don't think they should make it a HUGE group with all the ex ECW guys because then it would get watered down like the NWO.

[Lamuella]

if you have to do it...

1) make wrestling the focus. Make the stories good, but make it clear that the focus is on putting on good wrestling matches, hardcore or otherwise.
2) don't put people on it just because they were in ECW before. Instead make ECW a mix of existing WWE undercarders who aren't getting attention (shannon moore, paul london, chris kanyon), a couple of "hardcore legend" type big-ish names (for example Rhyno) and then indie/OVW guys who show a shitload of promise but who Vince doesn't like/wouldn't push (Nova, Chris Daniels, Low-Ki, people like that). As we said before, make wrestling the focus.
3) give it a raw, edgy feel. Run shows out of smaller venues and try to build buzz. Build up a rep for putting on solid as hell wrestling matches. Rarely if ever mention WWE. Have a separate ECW website
4) don't put on a pay per view for a long time. Keep a weekly TV slot, but make it clear that the ECW world title (still technically held by Rhyno) can and will change hands on TV.
5) make the ranks fluid. Give unexpected people a chance at the top slot if they can put on a good match.
6) for god's sake, rehire Joey Styles. Work with him on whatever schedule he wants. You need Joey Styles.

you can't manufacture what ECW had back in the mid nineties, but you CAN focus on making this its own thing rather than "WWE presents ECW"

[loopydate]

Lammy, you hit the nail on the head, brother.

1) make wrestling the focus. Make the stories good, but make it clear that the focus is on putting on good wrestling matches, hardcore or otherwise.

That was always the thing that attracted me to ECW to begin with. The hardcore stuff was incidental, I was watching for RVD and Jerry Lynn.

2) don't put people on it just because they were in ECW before. Instead make ECW a mix of existing WWE undercarders who aren't getting attention (shannon moore, paul london, chris kanyon), a couple of "hardcore legend" type big-ish names (for example Rhyno) and then indie/OVW guys who show a shitload of promise but who Vince doesn't like/wouldn't push (Nova, Chris Daniels, Low-Ki, people like that). As we said before, make wrestling the focus.

Absolutely. A dream roster would have Rhyno with the ECW Title and the TV Title. He'd be forced to vacate the TV belt for a tournament, which would give an excuse to bring over the guys like Moore looking for "their shot," plus bringing in guys like Corino or Doring.

3) give it a raw, edgy feel. Run shows out of smaller venues and try to build buzz. Build up a rep for putting on solid as hell wrestling matches. Rarely if ever mention WWE. Have a separate ECW website

ECW worked because of the ECW Arena. If they can't get "Viking Hall" or whatever it's being called now, there are thousands of bingo halls across the country.

4) don't put on a pay per view for a long time. Keep a weekly TV slot, but make it clear that the ECW world title (still technically held by Rhyno) can and will change hands on TV.

ECW was around for (IIRC) about five years before they put on their first PPV. There's a serious air of unpredictability if you know not to wait for the PPVs for title changes.

5) make the ranks fluid. Give unexpected people a chance at the top slot if they can put on a good match.

This was one thing ECW did well. You'd have guys like Jerry Lynn come out of nowhere and be thrust into the main event scene. Lynn got to be a World Champion because he showed that he could put on 5-star matches every show, not because he had tenure.

6) for god's sake, rehire Joey Styles. Work with him on whatever schedule he wants. You need Joey Styles.

Absofreakin'lutely. And Bill Alfonso. Fonzy + RVD = :y:

[Rob]

Joey Styles is the most over rated announcer ever. He is good but that's about it and he'd be nothing without Paul Heyman feeding him lines.

For the guy who said Tazz isn't a good announcer but Kevin Nash is - HAVE A FU</>CKING WORD SON!

[Lamuella]

Joey Styles is a question of atmosphere as much as anything else. For one thing he's a great play by play man IMO, for another... he sounds like ECW, in the way that JR sounds like RAW. He just matches the product very well, and would make it that bit more believable. That's why I actually liked the decision to bring in Scott Hudson and Arn Anderson as announcers at the very start of the invasion. They sounded like WCW. Also, they actually called the matches, which was refreshing after some of the WWF stuff of the time.

[glycerine]

Joey Styles is the most over rated announcer ever. He is good but that's about it and he'd be nothing without Paul Heyman feeding him lines.

For the guy who said Tazz isn't a good announcer but Kevin Nash is - HAVE A FU</>CKING WORD SON!


First i never said Tazz wasnt. i said have Nash be so Tazz can be part of ECW. now that i think about it, the old ecw guys don't have to be the only ones for sure.. but everybody in it has to be willing to ake those hardcore risks.

secondly the word is from chris savage..
that ECW a rebel faction led by Heyman will air in the Velocity time slot

[PureHatred]

Joey Styles is ok as long as he's working with Cyrus. When he was with Gertner, they spent more time getting themselves over than announcing the match.

When talking about ECW, I think we should all refer to him as "Taz" because this "Tazz" was jobbed out to the Big Boss Man and Jerry Lawler and never really recovered.

And I honestly don't think that anything would ever recapture that original ECW feel. They were doing things that the "Big Two" would never dream of; they were showing us The Berzerker and Oz when ECW had Tommy and Raven feuding over who knocked up Beulah. That's just never going to happen again.

But a new brand totally written by a Heyman led staff and including good young stars, with just a sprinkilng of the "name" stars that were the backbone of ECW...well, I would definitely watch.

[Fox]

I'm one of the people that's for scrapping the idea entirely. It's stupid, and it would only tarnish the legacy that is ECW.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing an ECW stable show up on the two brands and have all hell break loose. Especially if RVD is leading it, and Heyman is managing him. That would definitely catapult RVD to the top of the ladder. Remember Heyman and Lesnar in the "Next Big Thing" angle? This could be like that, and it could get RVD more over than he's ever been before.

Besides, RVD still needs someone to hold the chair for him during the Van Terminator.

[Rob]

If they sign everyone that was in ECW then the faction dies immediately. They only need about 8 guys. Dudleys, Van Dam, Lance Storm, Rhyno, Al Snow and like Matt Hrady and Lita with another WWE upper mid card guy.

[rottednation]

ECW DO’s And Don’ts

Do’s
-Make Paul Heyman the Writer, booker, and head of ECW for real. Or let him select his own team.
-Give Heyman a budget to buy indy guys he wants.
-make it TVMA, don’t tone it down period. Give it a late night time slot preferably after raw smackdown or an hour on Saturday night.
-ECW’s Pay Per Views could be every other month as well on Tuesday Nights. Or don’t have ppvs for a while until its necessary then have it on a Tuesday night, even once ever few months.. its ecw and its an hour long.
-make one of the first matches Benoit V. Guerrero (either both come over as champions, really screwing with McMahon or one just lost his title and the other was champion. But make them keep the title and burn it or throw it away or destroy it or piss on it or something drastic like that before getting the new ECW title) V. one of the former ECW superstars it’ll be a great match, plus its ECW’s staple 3 way Match
-Hire Joel Gertner
-Hire Joey Styles
-bring in the following:
-1.Rob Van Dam
-2. Tommy Dreamer
-3. Steven Richards
-4. Rhyno
-5. Mike Awesome (maybe)
-6. Spike Dudley
-7. Bubba Ray Dudley
-8. Devon Dudley
-9. Tajiri
-10. Guido
- 11. Dawn Marie
-12. Jazz
-13. Lance Storm
-14. Chris Benoit (take the WWE Title Away! Have a tournament)
-15. Eddie Guerrero (or lose it to someone it can be interchangeable between either of these guys)
-16. Chuck Palumbo (FBI, maybe)
-17. Johnny Stamboli (maybe)
-18. Victoria (for steven Richards, maybe)
-19. MICK FOLEY!!!! (definitely add some cred)
- 20. Al Snow (if he’s still wrestling
-21. Billy Kidman
-22. Sandman
-23. Raven
-24. Terry Funk
-25. Sabu
-26. Joel Gertner (announcer)
-27. Joey Styles (“)
-28. Cyrus
-29. Paul Heyman
-30. Tazz (and get someone really good to replace him on SD, like Kevin Nash… he’s a good announcer actually!)
31. Mikey Whipreck (is he out of retirement?)
32- 40+. new indy guys or old ECW guys the other rosters have 35-40 each now as well

DONTS
-Don’t water it down!
-Don't make any moves illegal
-don’t make them all heels or faces,
-don’t change their character
-don’t interrupt storylines like Chris Jericho/ Christian/ trish
-don’t let vince run it!
-don’t let vince just hate upon it so much but don’t let him be ok with it, make it like a 3rd brand almost.. but a separate company, like raw and smackdown are now…
-don’t stop everything in the current WWE for this, make it big big big news, but don't let everybody else care, like half the guys will just continue their wrestling lifes without a care about it
- MAKE MONDAY NIGHT WCW!! UNLESS IT’S IN NAME ONLY!! But don’t let all the superstars go to it be WCW guys that’ll just be weird.

thanks

YOUR LIST JUST MADE ME CUM!!

[Mister Sinister]

The only bad thing is, Tazz has no interest to Wrestle anymore, He much rather be a Commentator

[glycerine]

Actually somebody brought up a good point.

why dont they just make it a new faction like three new letters.

that would be great

it could be ECW esque and you'd know what it was hinting at but until

It got over enough, it could just be the paul heyman led show featureing ECW eque hardcore matches and Superstars without discrediting ECW.

then when it got big it could maybe change the name..

why dont they let bischoff get some creative control
He had some good ideas in the past… nWo, Sting's return, Goldberg.
But let vince have to okay everything
Vince could run smackdown totally (if he drops the Ego some Heyman Help)
Bischoff could run RAW with Vince and heyman’s storyline help
And Heyman could run the new faction with Vince’s financial help

oh and to the guy i made cum

i gave my gf an orgasm for the first time (we didnt have sex i just well you dont want to know details probably) so thats two on the first day I try!

[Mr.Violent J]

It won't work. Period. Even if Vince did give Heyman full control over it, it still wouldn't work. It wouldn't have the feel that made ECW so special. It wouldn't have the over the top fans sitting at ringside. They won't allow guys to go moonsaulting into the 4th row. They won't get Sabu, Raven, or Shane Douglas. It will be a watered down version of it's former glory. Plain and simple.

We all know this, and I would much rather continuously pop in my 10 ECW PPV's I have on tape then to see WWE ruin the legacy of ECW.

[glycerine]

did you read my last post...

[rottednation]

Actually somebody brought up a good point.

why dont they just make it a new faction like three new letters.

that would be great

it could be ECW esque and you'd know what it was hinting at but until

It got over enough, it could just be the paul heyman led show featureing ECW eque hardcore matches and Superstars without discrediting ECW.

then when it got big it could maybe change the name..

why dont they let bischoff get some creative control
He had some good ideas in the past… nWo, Sting's return, Goldberg.
But let vince have to okay everything
Vince could run smackdown totally (if he drops the Ego some Heyman Help)
Bischoff could run RAW with Vince and heyman’s storyline help
And Heyman could run the new faction with Vince’s financial help

oh and to the guy i made cum

i gave my gf an orgasm for the first time (we didnt have sex i just well you dont want to know details probably) so thats two on the first day I try!

Hey man, congrats!! I remember my first time with my girl, wasn't it great!?

Anyhow, your take on the whole ECW thing is so damn right on, and I also think a bit on the negative bro. Here's why...

Vince is just a complete **** up. Everything that he does lacks entertainment. He can't keep up with the demands of his fans. That's why he has writers, because when he was writing shit like CRUSH and his lame ass HEART PUNCH, DOINK THE CLOWN, and others. He just lacked creativity.

Heyman has a great ****ing mind. I hope to see him use it, and not Vince's...