THESE GOD DAMN CENA VIDEOS NEED TO END!!!!

[Gertner]

Jesus fucking christ. I'm surprised they don't just show a video of the locker room and his family circle jerking on a Spinner Belt.

[Nark Order]

Pretty shitty they just won't let us forget him.

[Xero]

They'll probably end at The Royal Rumble....

But if you eventually miss them, don't worry, I'm sure Cena will injure himself around next SummerSlam and you'll be able to experience them all over again!

[Kane Knight]

Pretty shitty they just won't let us forget him.

I think Cena is pretty damn memorable in and of himself.

[Y2Ant]

You know what else needs to end? Bore-icho's title reign so Cena can SAVE_US! :lol:

[Y2Ant]

Oh wait, I was supposed to say something out of my mouth, not my arse. My bad.

[Fox]

The Cena videos make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Like the way a house feels right before it burns to the ground, incinerating the family living within.

[Juan]

I'm already sick of Cena.

[Lux]

Don't mind the man, plus it is true, who would of thought in 2002 that when we all saw him get in the ring against Kurt that he would be so big years later.

[D Mac]

The Prototype

[BigDaddyCool]

I think it is funny because they are trying to knock Rocky in those. You know how Cena is all about the business and not using it as a stepping stone for other things.

I mean, can you blame the Rock? He already accomplished everything he could when he started doing movies. What is the point of him getting banged around for another 10 years when he can make much more money doing movies where he won't get banged around. Plus Rock tried to put over more people that Cena, Batista, and HHH have combined.

[Y2Ant]

I had to laugh at the dig at The Rock.

Also i'd like to see if Cena still thinks the same thing in a few years time when he's actually come close to being remotely as awesome as The Rock, despite probably winning twice as many world titles.

[BigDaddyCool]

Cena would need to be a 14 time champion to have twice as many world title riegns...He could easily have a longer combined title riegn than Rock.

[Kane Knight]

Cena's all about the business. Don't let the rap album and movie career fool you, he's all wrestler.

[BigDaddyCool]

You mean failed rap and movie career?

[Y2Ant]

Not to mention an epic fail in the ring?

[BigDaddyCool]

Idk, Rock and Cena are fairly equal in the ring. Rock does the worst looking Sharp Shooter and Elbow Drop while Cena does a shit job on the STF and the Death Vally Driver.

[Nark Order]

KK, I have this theory that you really hate Cena. Like hate his fucking guts but just say you like him because you want people to hate you more.

[Y2Ant]

He's a crafty one, that Kane Knight.

[Kane Knight]

You mean failed rap and movie career?

His movie career is still going, isn't it? With 12 rounds in whatever having been filmed by our own Kris P. Enguinfucker, and whatnot?

Austin's was the movie that failed. Cena did solid for himself.

KK, I have this theory that you really hate Cena. Like hate his fucking guts but just say you like him because you want people to hate you more.

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The problem I have here is that there's no way I can take this post without thinking you're a fucking moron. It reads stupid if you're serious. It reads stupid if you're sarcastic. It reads stupid as satire.

[Lux]

I personally don't hate Cena, I may not like the way he is booked but LOL at most of you actually hating a man that has done nothing wrong here.

[Londoner]

I'm still hoping this is building up to a Cena heel turn.

[The Franchise]

I haven't really minded Cena's booking since he came back from his injury at the Royal Rumble...and come on, even MSG marked-out like little girls for that.

[The Franchise]

I'm still hoping this is building up to a Cena heel turn.

I honestly think we will see a Rey Mysterio heel turn before a John Cena one.

[Nark Order]

His movie career is still going, isn't it? With 12 rounds in whatever having been filmed by our own Kris P. Enguinfucker, and whatnot?

Austin's was the movie that failed. Cena did solid for himself.



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The problem I have here is that there's no way I can take this post without thinking you're a fucking moron. It reads stupid if you're serious. It reads stupid if you're sarcastic. It reads stupid as satire.

What is stupid about it? You try to portray an image of somebody that hates everything that people like and like everything that people hate. A very textbook unoriginal persona. You like to argue with people about everything and you use this method as a way to do so. When people point it out, you call them stupid. If the arguement continues, you just call the person stupid enough times that they don't even bother saying anything to you anymore because the conversation goes nowhere. Which you call winning.

[Kane Knight]

What is stupid about it? You try to portray an image of somebody that hates everything that people like and like everything that people hate.

Asked and answered within two sentences.

What's so stupid about it is that very foundation.

A very textbook unoriginal persona.

It's not a persona. It's not even real. This isn't a gimmick, nor is it the gimmick you've made up in your head.

You like to argue with people about everything and you use this method as a way to do so.

Actually, I don't really do anything of the sort. I sometimes argue based on facts when someone I would otherwise agree with says something dumb.

By the way, what started this was a statement that Cena is memorable. Hey, surprise, that's neither inherrently good nor bad. Charlie Manson is memorable; doesn't mean I'm sending him a Christmas card.

See, I wasn't even praising Cena when you decided on your theory that I hate him, but was acting differently to...Well, whatever your conspiracy theory involves.

When people point it out, you call them stupid.

No doubt you will use this as an example. It's not that you're being stupid, it's that you caught me in my fiendish scheme. *strokes white cat, fingering the big red button on my desk with cruel intent*

If the arguement continues, you just call the person stupid enough times that they don't even bother saying anything to you anymore because the conversation goes nowhere. Which you call winning.

Ah yes, the power of the strawman once more. I'm not sure I've ever called anything on the internet "winning." Least not in terms of message board arguments. I think you're projecting something onto me, something you don't like within yourself.

Your problem is the usual, "If I don't understand it, I will fill in the blanks and draw whatever conclusion is convenient." Putting words in your mouth? No. You just did it. I call Cena memorable, which should be tongue in cheek, and you start in on some theory that I'm out to make people hate me.

There was also nothing ironic about my other post in the thread, "Cena's all about the business. Don't let the rap album and movie career fool you, he's all wrestler." I really meant it, despite the obvious logical flaw in the statement. Trying to get people to hate me, or just being amused by the sentiment that a guy with two movies and a rap album is being promoted as focused on wrestling?

I leave you with the idea, radical as it seems, that people don't always announce their true feelings and thoughts in a direct, literal sense. They rely on context to convey thoughts and ideas, thoughts and ideas you regularly miss. We've had this little talk before, Narc, which is one of the reasons I find it a little odd. You might not remember, and that's fine. You might not remember me spelling out my feelings on Cena explicitly, and that's also fine. But when you don't know, it's better not to proseltyse. You just look, well...Stupid.

I'm curious as to what your response will be, all things considered. To you cling to your manufactured reality, or simply try and put your own ability to interpret anything more complicated than explicit statements on me for somehow hiding my opinions to further the "So everyone hates me" mentality?

Or, do you for once, bow out gracefully when your logic is demonstrated to be flawed?

[Lux]

Not gonna lie, the only thing coming out of the wrestling forum these days is bitch bitch bitch

[Xero]

The only thing on wrestling TV these days is shit shit shit.

[Lux]

Turn off your tv?

[Fox]

Smack your TV!

[Nark Order]

Well, to tell you the blatant truth here, I didn't really expect this to be blown up into some long drawn out debate here but I suppose I should've considering who it is I am speaking to. I actually do remember alot of our prior conversations on the subject, and I also remember them going absolutely nowhere. It isn’t so much that I don’t believe you have your own individual opinion on the subject (or many other subjects for that matter), It’s that it seems that in the past you have posted a lot of things to get a rise out of people that I’m not all to sure you even agree with. Not even saying that I disagree with that either considering we basically post here for our own individual entertainment, but you sure do it a lot. This is not an attack of your character, as I don’t know you “in the real world”, it’s just an observation off of things you’ve posted in the past. I could very well be mistaken, it’s just the way it seems to me. You like being right and you don’t mind being ‘the bad guy’. I say if we’re going to put this much effort into attacking each other, let’s put this much effort into discussing the issue at hand instead.

John Cena has been absolutely on fire in the past 4 years in the WWE, to many fans delight and to many fans dismay. On one hand you have an extremely charismatic man that is a natural leader, has a strong business sense, is dedicated to the sport, and is just one hell of a guy. On the other hand though, you have a subpar wrestler, a somewhat passable promo man, and a guy that has trouble acting out material that isn’t his own. What the guy has accomplished in such a sort amount of time is pretty amazing but that’s exactly the problem at the same time. We’ve seen so god damned much of him in 4-5 years that it’s hard for him and the WWE to keep him fresh. Not that they’ve been trying all too much. You say that he’s a ‘memorable’ figure but when have we had to forget him? He’s been in our face and shoved down our throats for years. The same old shit, over and over again. And when he isn’t on TV due to a very rare injury every once in awhile, we are being fed promo videos the entire time he’s out of action. If he’s really that ‘memorable’ then why do they feel such the need to remind us he’s still alive?
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I like Cena as a person from what I’ve seen, he seems pretty awesome. I even enjoy watching him as a performer TO AN EXTENT, but what is happening with the Cena character is truly ruining wrestling for me. It boggles my mind how they rationalize him getting booed so much with the façade of him being ‘controversial’. Fans are so desperately trying to reach out to WWE and tell them that the character is just stale but WWE doesn’t want to listen. I’m sure it will straighten out eventually and I’m sure his latest injury was actually good for him so the fans had a bit of a break, although these promo vids are ridiculous. I also hate when people bring up the ‘WWE is completely at fault. When Cena was writing is own material he was awesome”. No one party is to blame for this. Part of being a great entertainer is being able to bring somebody else’s ideas to life. John Cena has A LOT of trouble adapting to somebody else’s script and it shows. Of course he would be more comfortable writing his own stuff but everybody would. Granted ‘JBL is poopy’ doesn’t give him much to work with sometimes, but I believe he needs to learn to adapt a bit better.
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Punch, punch, kick, punch, clothesline, back suplex thingy, 5 knuckle shuffle, FU, over. Every match. Not every match in the past 6 months, but every match in the past 4 years! I know everybody has a set move list for a reason but I’m starting to think he just doesn’t know anything else or something. I mean dear Christ, how boring can you possibly get? And it’s not like I’m the only one that notices. He gets BOOED out of the god damn building for it and receives ‘same old shit’ chants frequently. Doesn’t he think it might be time to learn something else? I know this is a pretty standard Cena rant but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t valid. The greatest superstars have been the ones that can still surprise you after so many years of watching them. I can still sit through some HBK and Taker matches, be thouroughly entertained the entire time, and still not know what’s going to happen next. Those guys know how to put on a fucking wrestling match. And yes, they rely on signature moves but it doesn’t put you to sleep.

When you say ‘memorable’, I don’t quite know what you mean. If you’re talking about ‘legend’ like material then I simply don’t see it. When I think memorable I think Perfect, Flair, Arn, Tully, Savage, Hogan, Rock, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.tpww.net/forums/ /><st1:City w:st=</st1:City><ST1:pAustin</ST1:p, HBK, Taker. Cena just doesn’t come to mind. I mean I can rile off probably 30 HBK matches off the top of my head and would have trouble remembering 10 of Cena’s. He’s got heart, he’s got personality, he’s great at waving and kissing babies; but as a wrestler/entertainer he’s got some serious work to do. I hope one day he does reach the potential that he’s got but I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

[Nark Order]

^ Noid post

[Lux]

Noid is disappointed in you.

[Londoner]

Yeah, that was only like, half the length of a normal Noid post.

:shifty:

[Y2Ant]

And there was no mention of Val Venis.

[br0ken]

Cena is still the man. I get bored from plus never get a chance to see it like before so I loose the flame for it. BUt Cena is awesome. IS he hurt abain:?:

[BigDaddyCool]

omg, shut up br0ken.

[Xero]

Turn off your tv?

I haven't watched more than 20 minutes of wrestling a week in about four months. So I have been. Doesn't mean I can't bitch about what I read and hear.

I love the business, but right now we're in trying times, and I'm trying to avoid it.

[Rob]

I had to laugh at the dig at The Rock.

Also i'd like to see if Cena still thinks the same thing in a few years time when he's actually come close to being remotely as awesome as The Rock, despite probably winning twice as many world titles.

You are talking about the same people who says Brock Lesnar sold out for quitting a multi million dollar a year job for a chance at a job that paid over 10 times less.

[BigDaddyCool]

Rock and Brock are different, there is a B.

But no, they are different, Rock gave back. Hell, Rock helped put over Brock. Rock put over a ton of guys. Brock left when it was time to give back. I can't completely blame him for wanting to leave if it wasn't what he thought it was, but there is still a litte bit of bitterness.