Better Wrestler #45 [Archive]

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 03:47 PM

After one of the biggest voter turnouts in TPWW Better Wrestler history, and a photo finish, The Rock has beaten HBM to advance to the next round.
Sorry HBM fans, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. It's back to the waiting room for the heartbreak man, and on to the winner's circle for The Great One.

The Rock must face another multiple time champion this round. As we know, better wrestler is open to all wrestlers, of all promotions, styles, and divisions.
This opponent is a legend in their division, and regarded as one of the most popular, talented, and hard-working talents of her time. That's right, I said her.

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The Rock

VS

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Trish Stratus

As always, you are free to judge by any criteria you see fit, but judge fairly and give this some thought.
3 Days.

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What Would Kevin Do?

11-12-2008, 04:03 PM

Fuck the Rock... I'm voting for Trish out of spite. Also, she's hot.

CSL

11-12-2008, 04:08 PM

^

It worked for The Tazz

CSL

11-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Cept for the hot bit

BigDaddyCool

11-12-2008, 04:25 PM

Wow, seriously wow. First Flair, then HBK?!?!?! Both of them derserve the hall of fame.

Destor

11-12-2008, 04:43 PM

Tirsh. Trish pushed women's wrestling forward in a way that no one ever has. She was the first woman to be both an amazing wrestler and amazingly hot. She changed what we expect for ALL female wrestlers.

The Rock on the other didn't revolutionize a damn thing.

...except for how to drop an elbow. There was some real innoation there.

Tazz Dan

11-12-2008, 04:45 PM

All you people who seriously think Rock is a better WRESTLER than HBM should bow your head in disgrace :nono:

I'm looking especially at you KYR :foc:

And yes, Trish. :y: You didn't see The Rock retire with a title winning match did you?

Tazz Dan

11-12-2008, 04:47 PM

And Destor, I believe The Rock stole the elbow drop from Dusty Rhodes anyway. So he's fucked all round.

He was an excellent showman though.

Destor

11-12-2008, 04:50 PM

WELL THAT EYEBROW WAS REALLY RAISING THE BAR :foc:

CSL

11-12-2008, 04:54 PM

I always remember that VP around 1999 for Rock and he's doing quick alternating eyebrows. Was cool. It wasn't alternating giant shiny breasts however

Tazz Dan

11-12-2008, 04:58 PM

WELL THAT EYEBROW WAS REALLY RAISING THE BAR :foc:

:kiss:

True, but where The Rock may rise Afterlife's bar, Trish raises mine much more :naughty:

Ruien

11-12-2008, 06:16 PM

Sigh.... Rock.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:30 PM

5 to 9?
are you on drugs? lol

this isnt who you would fuck for christ sake

WRESTLER

this is no contest, its the rock. how much money did he make for vince, rock more air time, more fans, more merchandise, higher ratings, known all around the world, better wrestler, more athletic,way better matches, historic matches trish was passed around the locker room like a hot potato. sure shes a good wrestler but chick matches dont do anything for me, cept for a lil T and A.

IF YA SMMMEEELLLLLLLLLLLALALALALA OW

WHAT IM COOKIN

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:32 PM

I really don't know where these sour grapes come from.

I'M not the one who put HBK up against The Rock. And anyone who honestly expected me to vote against him is just away with the pixies.

:wtf:

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:36 PM

Oh and IF Trish wins this, she will have accomplished what HBK couldn't. :o

Destor

11-12-2008, 06:36 PM

1) socks shouldn't be allowed to vote
2) you post was very sexist, you basically said The Rock wins because she's a chic. Weak reason.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:37 PM

lol haha

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:39 PM

1) socks shouldn't be allowed to vote
2) you post was very sexist, you basically said The Rock wins because she's a chic. Weak reason.

1) I agree. I think I said as much during the last poll.
2) I do not think The Rock is a chic. :p

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:41 PM

sock? sock this bitch

V

weak reason? BETTER wrestler

the rock is stronger, faster, puts on a better match, better crowd reaction.

i never heard the crowd chant trishes name like they did with the rock,, and i doubt that a show was sold out because trish status name was on the card.

im no longer debating this, its rediculious lol

Destor

11-12-2008, 06:46 PM

lol @ stronger faster

nevermind mark

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:50 PM

dont make me start

why is destor a douche part 2.

CSL

11-12-2008, 06:50 PM

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:52 PM

dont make me start

why is destor a douche part 2.

I don't care if you're a Rock mark! Des is NOT a douche. Know your role.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:52 PM

welllll........ yeah. haha

its all a matter of opinion anyway

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:53 PM

I don't care if you're a Rock mark! Des is NOT a douche. Know your role.

know YOUR role

go make me a pie

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:54 PM

Exactly. Opinions. Without having to resort to insults.

KYR

11-12-2008, 06:55 PM

:roll: It was inevitable that this day would come...how many barrels should I use?

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:56 PM

im merely joking around.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 06:56 PM

barrels?

kegs?

HeartBreakMan2k

11-12-2008, 06:56 PM

I am disgusted. I am now abstaining from BW voting.

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 06:57 PM

therocksays obviously has no idea what he's talking about. You can't judge them in the way you are or it's tremendously unfair, and fallacious.

CSL

11-12-2008, 06:59 PM

I think this poll needs closing iabphwiypoh

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:00 PM

I am disgusted. I am now abstaining from BW voting.

Please don't punish the compettition because the masses failed to vote in who you wanted. It does nothing. Vote please. The more the better, and sensible votes from sensible voters is the best way to combat what you see as unfair.
HBM will be back in the future.

KYR

11-12-2008, 07:01 PM

I am disgusted. I am now abstaining from BW voting.

I don't think you should. I felt the same when Flair missed out.

KYR

11-12-2008, 07:02 PM

Jeritron knows. :y:

therocksays

11-12-2008, 07:05 PM

therocksays obviously has no idea what he's talking about. You can't judge them in the way you are or it's tremendously unfair, and fallacious.

stop singling me out.

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:05 PM

This shouldn't make you feel that way. It's a competition and although Flair and HBM may deserve to be HOF in our eyes, they missed out. They were denied at the gates by top challengers. It's a tough break but that's how it needs to be for the HOF to be so prestigious.
They'll get another shot after they serve their time.
Nobody gets a free ride. It takes a lot to get in the hall. That goes for The Rock too.

Stay with this competition. In the end everyone will get a chance for revenge.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 07:08 PM

Yeah i have no idea what im talking about, none of what i said is true. Im black balled on this site so its easy for you or ANYONE to make such of an accusation. nor do i care, rosa parks once sat up front on a bus and wouldnt let her seat go.

keep that in mind.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 07:10 PM

dont ask me what rosa parks has to do with this.

Gertner

11-12-2008, 07:11 PM

It's a fucking chick.

The rock.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 07:14 PM

YEA

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:18 PM

All I ask is to weigh it fairly and not "it's a chick". It's not like its the same as if I put him up against Maria.
Trish was a great wrestler. The best of all time, arguably, in her division. She was the goods and could play heel and face within her role as well as anyone else.
She did a lot for her industry, and the title she held.
She was also a work horse and an amazing athlete. She had good matches.
Yes, she was a woman, which if you're going to be sexist makes it even more impressive.

To me it's important to judge them on their respective talent, and status within their industry. It's not like genetics make better athletes. So The Rock is stronger and faster. This isn't a UFC fight, it's an atheltic performance art.
It's about how good they are at their jobs.

It's not like anybody, aside from sexists, is going to claim that Robert Deniro blows Meryl Streep out of the water because he is a man. It's a matter of preference in many ways, but if thats so explain it. Don't just say "pfft, shes a girl". Or that any given male pro athlete is better than the best female athlete because they are faster and stronger than her. It's about performance within their circuit.

Gertner

11-12-2008, 07:21 PM

It's not sexist. It's just true. If they were equal then there wouldn't be a women's division.
The Rock is one of the top faces and heels of all time. Picking a vagina over him is just stupid.

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:25 PM

Nobody said they were equal as athletes. They can be equal in an overall sense though, to their industry.
Keep in mind these are peformers and not competitors. They have a women's division seperate from the males for more complex reasons than just what you point out

Gertner

11-12-2008, 07:27 PM

Because women competiting with men is stupid

CSL

11-12-2008, 07:33 PM

This thing became a joke a long time ago (see: When Taz went in)

KYR

11-12-2008, 07:35 PM

Who were the socks that voted anyway?

Rock Votes: Blasted & Caterpillar (never heard of them)?
HBK Votes: Guy Fawkes?

So would have ended up being either a draw or a 1 vote win to The Rock? Or am I missing someone.

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:40 PM

Because women competiting with men is stupid

Well because it's kayfabe. Even though we all know they're not actually fighting, we're meant to think they're fighting.
Of course, Trish would never beat The Great Khali in a fist fight. Doesn't mean she's not more talented as a wrester/performer than he is.
The seperation of the genders in divisions is all a part of kayfabe. It has very little to do with talent or athleticism.

The audience who claims to be smart to these things looks the other way, and in many ways still relies on kayfabe. It's important that it's upheld. Surely if I'm booking a show that's supposed to seem real I can't have Mickie James going over Mark Henry, even if she's far more talented. That's just the way it is, and understandably so.

Since that's how the audience has been conditioned, and how kayfabe makes it seem, the companies run with this. This is why WWE fills its womens division with no talent eye candy. No talents who look hot.
They do the same with their main event really. No talents who look tough.

That's not what we're judging here though. This message board is not in kayfabe.

So those who excel should be judged on their merits as performers. Athleticism comes into play, but it's all relative to what they're accomplishing out there in the ring.
The Rock is stronger, sure.
He can't pull off backflips and hurricanrans though.

That's why Chyna made it so far. It was believable that she could beat up men to a kayfabe audience, and it was built upon over time. She broke through the division system you point out, but she wasn't a better wrestler than Trish. (And I know you're gonna say 'but she was a man') Your whole argument is based on kayfabe.

Really, it's all a matter of how you look at wrestlling. If you look at it narrowly, then this is a much easier vote to cast.

Gertner

11-12-2008, 07:42 PM

Trish Stratus is NOT more talented than The Rock.

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:44 PM

Well that's the first time you've said that

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:45 PM

Until just now you're argument has consisted of "dick over vagina" and "women beating men is stupid"

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 07:46 PM

Is it really the Trish votes that are voting with the wrong head?

Nowhere Man

11-12-2008, 07:57 PM

Not really. Trish was able to bring a newfound amount of workrate and respectability to what's usually considered the joke division of American wrestling. Of course, it all went out the window when she (and others like Molly Holly and Victoria) were replaced by the Diva Search chicks. She wasn't exactly Ric Flair, but for women's wrestling, she might as well have been.

The Rock, on the other hand, had the same problem then that Cena has now: great PPV matches from time to time, but by and large was predictable and repetitive.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 08:06 PM

my point is the rock put on a better show than trish.

shes a good wrestler in her division yes ill give her that much and is talented.
but my OPINION is that she cant compare to the rock, be able to put on a good match pump up the crowd, wrestling moves etc.

the end all i have to say about that

KYR

11-12-2008, 08:07 PM

Loose Cannon

11-12-2008, 08:37 PM

lol at the arguments for Trish. please. I can't even believe I am reading these posts making a case for fucking Trish Stratus over The Rock. I'm just going to leave it at that and not even make a case for Rock over Trish because I feel like I'm on candid camera or something.

therocksays

11-12-2008, 08:39 PM

Should have been the first thing you said.

well you are probably right.
ill vote for you too

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 08:42 PM

therocksays

11-12-2008, 08:43 PM

noted

Jeritron

11-12-2008, 08:46 PM

I did vote for Trish though. I have my reasons

therocksays

11-12-2008, 09:01 PM

LOL

Destor

11-12-2008, 11:05 PM

The Rock is a doo doo poopy head :n:

Fabien Barthez

11-13-2008, 07:45 AM

Trish. If The Rock can beat Shawn, then I will just be flipping a coin from now on.

Shame, I liked this game :(

Destor

11-13-2008, 03:10 PM

I don't understand your logic there. I was PISSED when Flair lost, be hey. It's the way the polls went. Both Flair and HBM will have another day in the sun, let's not forget Eddie, Benoit, Hart, and Jerocho all lost as well. This game has had some surprising results, but that's why I love it. And all mention will return, it's not the end of the world.

The Franchise

11-13-2008, 03:24 PM

How can The Rock beat HBK but not Trish? lol

Rocky all the way and screw all the pansy WWE wrestlers at the Hall of Fame this year. Rock owned like 98% of their work in the last year in 10 minutes.

The Franchise

11-13-2008, 03:25 PM

Plus, The Rock is the President of the United States.

4 knuckles up

11-13-2008, 04:47 PM

I always vote in these polls as if I were going to see them wrestle. Who would I rather see wrestle? Rock, or Trish? I picked the Rock.

Ruien

11-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Trish. If The Rock can beat Shawn, then I will just be flipping a coin from now on.

Shame, I liked this game :(

So many ways to respond.............. hmmmmmmm

Alright, just ignore the thread from now on. If you want a game where you control everything, but a X-Box or whatever and play that. And hey, if you lose you can re load.

BigDaddyCool

11-14-2008, 10:41 AM

WTF...Trish is holding ground with the Rock...Rock beat HBK,HBK beat Flair. So does this mean, in theory Trish can hold ground with Flair and HBK as well?!?!?!?

The Mackem

11-14-2008, 11:10 AM

The Rock

Destor

11-14-2008, 02:14 PM

WTF...Trish is holding ground with the Rock...Rock beat HBK,HBK beat Flair. So does this mean, in theory Trish can hold ground with Flair and HBK as well?!?!?!?A lot of people are voting Trish out of spite I recon.

The Franchise

11-14-2008, 06:12 PM

Guys its THE ROCK!!!

Afterlife

11-15-2008, 12:54 AM

Girls are stupid.

Fabien Barthez

11-15-2008, 08:43 AM

So many ways to respond.............. hmmmmmmm

Alright, just ignore the thread from now on. If you want a game where you control everything, but a X-Box or whatever and play that. And hey, if you lose you can re load.

Shut the fuck up. If I want to be sweepingly dramatic, and make a point, then I will. I don't need to 'but' an X-Box, I need all the arseholes who voted for The Dwayne to put down their action figures, take off their foam belts, stop crotch chopping themselves and watch some actual wrestling!

So, what were your other responses, guy I've never seen post before?

The Franchise

11-15-2008, 12:21 PM

The Rock kept the momentum going in the Attitude Era when Austin was injured. He's had a ridiculous number of entertaining and good matches, was a bigger draw, better at promos, made a larger impact, influenced more people (actually Rocky has a great deal of influence on Trish) etc...

I think people forgot just how good The Rock was. Imagine the WWE never having a Trish Stratus and then imagine the WWE never having The Rock.

Destor

11-15-2008, 01:09 PM

I think people forgot just how good The Rock was. Imagine the WWE never having a Trish Stratus and then imagine the WWE never having The Rock.
Makes me wanna vote Trish again.

Fabien Barthez

11-15-2008, 03:22 PM

:rofl:

therocksays

11-15-2008, 03:27 PM

Jeritron

11-15-2008, 03:47 PM

Rock pulls away in the final day

El Fangel

11-15-2008, 03:48 PM

Im pulling for Trish Stratus :shifty:

Destor

11-15-2008, 03:49 PM

I see what you did there

therocksays

11-16-2008, 04:16 PM

Anybody Thrilla

11-16-2008, 04:39 PM

I love these threads. Probably the best thing on TPWW.