Besides for the maineventers...

[BigDaddyCool]

Well even including some of the maineventers, is there any one more heavily featured than Miz and Morrison (I refuse to call them the in crowd, as I've never once heard them called that on WWE and it sounds so gay).

Anyhow, they have their own webcast, they seem to have 3 matches a weeks, plus at least one promo a week...Not to mention they aren't just jobbed out to mainevent guys, they often are winning.

So anyhow, I think at least Morrison is being groomed for the mainevent. I wouldn't be suprised if he won Money in Bank next year.

Everyone but Noid, Discuss.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Besides for" *shudder*

I'll discuss what I want. And no, no one is featured more than John Morrison & The Miz (OK, well maybe the spirit of John Cena), because those two are on ECW and can appear on all three shows as a result of the talent exchange. Idiot.

This exposure is a good sign that the WWE has faith in them. I certainly hope they are being groomed for something big, as both men have got what it takes to be "main eventers," I believe. John Morrison could very well win Money in the Bank next year. If they do hold another King of the Ring Tournament, I could also see him winning that.

Also, they have been called "The In Crowd" on television, and it is a silly name.

[BigDaddyCool]

Shut up noid, I said everyone but you can discuss this thread. And don't give me that tired line of "I don't read your posts" because you clearly refference other part of the post.

[Kane Knight]

I hope Morrison does win MitB. I want to see a worse drawing champ than JBL, and that will just about do it.

[BigDaddyCool]

CM Punk drew better than JBL?

[Impact!]

Yes

[Fox]

I heard they out-popped DX.

[Triple Naitch]

Miz and Morrison are the co-MVP of WWE this year. They have been the most entertaining "entertainers" on each show this year and on WWE.com. Morrison should be a main eventer by the middle of next year. I hope he does something good with Shawn Michaels. Watching the two of them work together the past few weeks has been the best thing going lately.

[Fox]

Miz will probably play the Marty to Morrison's Shawn.

[Kane Knight]

CM Punk drew better than JBL?

Oh, come on. It's clear that CM Punk is a massive draw, and not that Vince hasa mancrush on him.

[Gertner]

Santino is a pretty close runner up to Miz and Morrison. He has Santino's Caza, his matches, his promo's and Beth matches.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, but Santino is a jobber.

[Nark Order]

Santino is definitely featured as much and wins but just not cleanly. They're semingly pushing Miz and Morrison to have a HBK/Jannetty like break off at some point. Wouldn't be surpised if one of them got huge single's title pushe. Most likely Morrison if he sharpens his promo skills just a little more.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, but Santino is a novelty.

[BigDaddyCool]

Novelty jobber.

[parkmania]

Based on the end of last night's match, I could see Miz turning on Morrison first. I mean, Miz got knocked out, and Morrison did all the celebrating. Miz had a bit of a "I'm not happy" glare toward his partner.

[KingofOldSchool]

I'm seeing MVP and Morrison winning MiTB and KoTR next year, now which one wins which...I don't.

[The Franchise]

I think Morrison should win MITB (honestly he stole the match this year, but Punk was the right choice) and MVP winning KOTR. Reasons - Morrison is simply better at ladder matches and MVP would be a much better king since he is better on the mic and more charismatic. King MVP!

[IC Champion]

Shawn Michaels is a balding old man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shut up noid, I said everyone but you can discuss this thread. And don't give me that tired line of "I don't read your posts" because you clearly refference other part of the post.

Of course I read your post this time. It was the thread starter, and thus provides the topic of discussion. I just don't give a shit about your "orders."

Also, KK, you can't honestly believe John Morrison to be a more horrible choice for champion than JBL? Truly?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shawn Michaels vs. John Morrison (if they choose not to do Taker vs. HBK, for whatever reason) at WrestleMania XXV would be a fucking fantastic "passing the torch" match. But I really want to see Morrison in Money in the Bank. I don't want him to win, though. I want him to do something really cool, just miss out, and then get a consistent push to the top.

As far as I'm concerned, John Morrison, Shelton Benjamin, The Brian Kendrick and Evan Bourne should all be locks for Money in the Bank next year.

[Fox]

Also, KK, you can't honestly believe John Morrison to be a more horrible choice for champion than JBL? Truly?

As much as I dislike agreeing with kaneknight, John Morrison is not in the position right now to be the World Champion, while JBL could hypothetically take the belt in some strange fashion at Survivor Series (Cena wins, then JBL gets a sudden title shot via Stephanie McMahon) and be considered credible with it the next day. It's not that JBL is a better worker, but he's established right now, and Morrison is not.

Morrison is awesome but he has a long ways to go.

[XL]

Having said that Fox...I didn't think JBL was "ready" or had any credibility when he won the WWE Title from Eddie (which is the title run I imagine KK was referencing).

[Kane Knight]

(which is the title run I imagine KK was referencing).

On the nose.

[Fabien Barthez]

How can you say JBL wasn't ready? He is a 25 year veterain with a good gimmick and good mic skills.

He may not be the most over guy in the world, but not ready? Behave.

[Kane Knight]

LOL

[Kane Knight]

To be fair though, I think "not ready" may be a stretch. Still, his gimmick went over like a lead balloon.

[Destor]

Huh, I remember JBL getting tons of heat. It's been awhile though, and things do tend to look better in hindsight.

[BigDaddyCool]

Yeah, I remember being very entertained by JBL back then.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I remember being very entertained by JBL back then.

That's great. After all, how entertained you are generally determines how well a champion does.

I know some fucktards are going to say "I was entertained, what are you talking about?" Problem being, he did go over poorly. Smarks may have liked him, especially the ones who love the self abuse he brings, but that really doesn't make a bit of difference in terms of his success.

JBL was one of the worst drawing champions in recent history. Maybe the worst. Your own personal feelings don't exactly mean anything. And if people understood that one small piece of information, about 50% of the stupid posts on TPWW would disappear.

[BigDaddyCool]

I was just saying he was funny when he was all drunk and fighting the blow up godzilla in Japan. I don't have any proof he was a good champion, and he sucks now.

[Kane Knight]

Of course you don't have any proof. None exists.

[BigDaddyCool]

So are we done? I was just saying JBL was entertaining to me.

[Nark Order]

He was entertaining and still is to this day. I think he's better in the champion role though rather than always chasing it, it works with his character better.

[Kane Knight]

So are we done? I was just saying JBL was entertaining to me.

And I'm saying that's meaningless.

And that I'm sure a lot of morons will use that to vindicate him in their minds.

[BigDaddyCool]

What do you care with moron's being wrong?

[Nark Order]

A Cena fan cutting down JBL. This is typical. Why are we spending time on this?

[Kane Knight]

I try and spread a little reality everywhere I go.

Granted, on a wrestling forum where "I'm gay for Morrson's Abs; he'd be an over champion" passes for reason, it's probably like trying to drain the ocean with a drinking straw.

[Kane Knight]

A Cena fan cutting down JBL. This is typical. Why are we spending time on this?

Oh, but I hate Cena, remember? Or did you shift conspiracy theories again?

[Nark Order]

But I thought you were his sworn defender?

[Nark Order]

And KK, you cut down the IWC like you somehow aren't apart of it.

[BigDaddyCool]

I agree with kk, Morrison's abs should be champion.

[Nark Order]

Morrison's Abs vs Mike Knox's Beard for Wrestlemania Main Event

[Nark Order]

I have a feeling KK is writing something huge and meaningless right now.

[BigDaddyCool]

I have a feeling KK is writing something huge and meaningless right now.

Wait, do you mean here or his novels?

[Nark Order]

Wait for it...

[Nark Order]

Novels? Don't get them much. The only one I've read is "Undercover Smark".

[BigDaddyCool]

Novels? Don't get them much. The only one I've read is "Undercover Smark".

No, I was making a joke. KK writes novels and is trying to get a book deal. I was saying they were long and useless, but you are a retard.

[Kane Knight]

But I thought you were his sworn defender?

Boom! Another strawman torn down. I applaud you. Maybe you'll even move on to live targets one day.

And KK, you cut down the IWC like you somehow aren't apart of it.

Have you ever taken an English course? I speak of the IWC as a general body, rather than counting each and every member. Kind of like how "You" can mean either a specific individual, or a group, category, whatever.

Third grade English, so I'm sure you're aware of that. It begs the question: Why lie?

No, I was making a joke. KK writes novels and is trying to get a book deal. I was saying they were long and useless, but you are a retard.

Are these the novels I keep going on about?

[Kane Knight]

Side note: I love how Narc is sitting by the computer waiting for one of my "novels" while I'm not even home. :D

[BigDaddyCool]

Are these the novels I keep going on about?

If by keep going on about, you mean the one you mention every so often and isn't a secrect, yes. I wasn't implying that you go non-stop about it, I'm not Kano.

[Kane Knight]

If by keep going on about, you mean the one you mention every so often and isn't a secrect, yes. I wasn't implying that you go non-stop about it, I'm not Kano.

I know you weren't. I was just pulling a Kanoism out.

[XL]

How can you say JBL wasn't ready? He is a 25 year veterain with a good gimmick and good mic skills.

He may not be the most over guy in the world, but not ready? Behave.
He may well have been around for a long time but when he won the belt he wasn't too far off the back of APA Bradshaw. In my eyes all we'd seen of Bradshaw for however many years he'd been with the WWE has a mid carder (Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw) a tag team guy ("Blackjack" Bradshaw, Acolytes/APA) and a guy that had won the Hardcore Title in his most recent singles run.

At the time of him winning the belt I didn't view him as a Main Event guy. I grew to appreciate his charisma and mic skills even if his in ring work was a little short of great.

[Kane Knight]

His mic skills were awesome. His gimmick, not so much. He grew into it, but that was a terrible run.

[Destor]

That was a great gimmick. Dunno what you're on about there. The problem was the trasition into the gimmick. He was only off TV for like a week before he COMPLETELY changed...very annoying.

[Fabien Barthez]

This whole worst draw thing. Does the champion really affect the gate and buys these days? Surely as long as all the big names are on the cards, it stays roughly the same. I don't know, so I'm here to be enlightened.

He was also champ for a long fucking time for someone considered a flop.

I think his gimmick does rely on him being the champion and him stealing wins and retaining in general heel styleé for it to get over right. He cuts a better promo than most of the WWE talent, he works a pretty dull match, but always get's the finish right. What more do you want from a main eventer? WWE tradition right there...

Even if buys were down, he drew great heat. Maybe he drew so much heat people just stopped watching him? That is REAL heat!

[Nark Order]

Side note: I love how Narc is sitting by the computer waiting for one of my "novels" while I'm not even home. :D

Wrong again, went to school shortly after posting.

[Nark Order]

Also, what is this strawman nonsense you bring up to justify every losing arguement of yours?

[Destor]

Even if buys were down, he drew great heat. Maybe he drew so much heat people just stopped watching him? That is REAL heat!
Look at The Origional Sheik.

[Fabien Barthez]

You look at him :p

[Nark Order]

Also, regardless of my third grade education, you are acting like you are above something that you are clearly apart of. If you're viewing it as a general body, then surely you are apart of it. Stop hiding behind a bunch of "you're stupid" and "you're a strawman" arguements. You do so because you have no substance.

[Fabien Barthez]

You can PM him as well, you know.

He is clearly talking about the general opinions that group the IWC together, not his personally. So quiet time now, please.

I found nothing on Sheik drawing such heat he didn't draw a crowd, I did read that he kept kayfabe at home with his family, and everywhere he could get away with it.

Nutter.

[Nark Order]

Oh dear, you've all been infected. This is worse than I thought. *sigh*

I'm going back to casual.

[Kane Knight]

He was a champ for a long time, during which buys and ratings suffered pretty bad.

[Kane Knight]

Wrong again, went to school shortly after posting.

Oddly enough, mine was a joke, denoted by the smiley. What was your excuse.

Also, what is this strawman nonsense you bring up to justify every losing arguement of yours?

What losing argument? You falsely represented what I said to make it easier to attack. How am I losing when my own opinions never entered into it, and you had to lie to bolster your own argument?

Hmmmm....

[Destor]

You can PM him as well, you know.

He is clearly talking about the general opinions that group the IWC together, not his personally. So quiet time now, please.

I found nothing on Sheik drawing such heat he didn't draw a crowd, I did read that he kept kayfabe at home with his family, and everywhere he could get away with it.

Nutter.
The Detroit territories (The ones The Sheik ownd and booked) went out of buisness because after a decade of no one being able to defeate The Sheik they lost all hope and stopped coming.

[Fabien Barthez]

But, how much? like 25%?

Jericho and HHH are the current champions. WWE Stock fell by like, $3 or something yesterday. I think it may be due to Jericho wearing short tights.

Ok, I don't think that. But was there an increase when he dropped the title?

[Fabien Barthez]

The Detroit territories (The ones The Sheik ownd and booked) went out of buisness because after a decade of no one being able to defeate The Sheik they lost all hope and stopped coming.

Ha. Dude really was insane in the membrane...

[Destor]

People paid HUGE to see people come in and try and defeate the unbeatable Sheik for a VERY long time. But when all their great hopes had failed (namely Andrea) they just didn't beleive ANYONE could do it. And unfortunatly the Sheik's ego wouldn't allow him to job beleiving that his booking strategy had led him to a very healthy living, it would keep doing so. He was so hated people paid for a chance to see him loose for the longest time, but in the end they hated seeing him win so much the refused to come back.

[Destor]

And that's the story of The Origional Sheik. :'(

[Kane Knight]

Shit, you're right. Stock was up before Jericho took the title.

[parkmania]

So, CM Punk as champ was good for business after all?

[Lock Jaw]

Going back to topic...

I can see Morrison entering a feud with Shawn Michaels and turning on The Miz by throwing him out of a second story window to prove that he can do anything Shawn can better.

[Inadequacy]

Going back to topic...

I can see Morrison entering a feud with Shawn Michaels and turning on The Miz by throwing him out of a second story window to prove that he can do anything Shawn can better.

Johnny Morrison: As the "Shaman of Sexy" John Morrison I can do everything better than Shawn Michaels, who is merely a "sexy boy." To illustrate my point I've brought the Miz to the Palace of Wisdom's second floor barber shop.

Miz: Yeah and...wait.

*morrison throws Miz out the window*

Morrison: Hoo-rah

I'd watch it. Especially if the Miz kept yelling "hoo-rah" as he fell.

[Kane Knight]

So, CM Punk as champ was good for business after all?

Actually, continuing the theory of stock prices, WWE stock has been on a steady decline since almost exactly the point CM Punk took the belt. It's clear that this has been a downward spiral created by Punk's reign, which has shaken faith in the investors.

:shifty: (Smiley to indicate this is not intended as a factual statement)

We don't know what CM Punk stands for, but we do surely know it doesn't stand for "Creates Money."

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, WWE is only worth about 70% of what it was worth with JBL as champion so you can just face defeat KK :p

[Kane Knight]

LOL

[Fabien Barthez]

You're damn right, Lol!

[Kane Knight]

Who are you calling Lol, motherfucker? :mad:

[.44 Magdalene]

I want to rub my face on John Morrison's abs

[BigDaddyCool]

So, are you saying right now is a good time to buy WWE stock with a buy and hold strategy?

[Kane Knight]

Well, I'm tempted.

[Kane Knight]

But seriously, the effect of the champion can really be seen in buyrates, and as I'm discussing BDC, there is only a chance of affecting stock price if there's some sort of longerterm problem. Even that's going to be indirect, and not likely to be major. Unless CM Punk kills a hooker, Triple H is caught with a needle in his arm by Fox News, or Chris Jericho gets caught fucking a 9 year old boy (The next morning, TPWW asks: Is pedophilia really all that bad?), or Batista climbs the Empire State Building holding one of the Divas hostage, there's not going to be a huge impact, or any real correlation between the champ and the stock prices. Especially considering how the stock prices reflect more than the quality of the PPVs or shows and PPV buyrates do not.

JBL's title reign did see a decline in buyrates on almost every Smackdown brand PPV. Compare that to Raw, where only one show was down from the years surrounding it (I think it was Backlash), and you have an interesting trend. Ratings bounced back pretty shortly after JBL dropped the belt, too.

As for how much, most of the shows were down like .3 points, which in a show where you at best get into the 1.2 range, is a lot. One show was unaffected, one was up by .2. Attendances were also down, and that was almost Universal. That's easier to quantify (Since it's not as dependent on other factors), and we're looking at a ballpark of 15-20% over the course of Bradshaw's reign. This, combined with news from the industry about disappointment and poor performance (Industry "news" should always be taken with a grain of salt) kind of paints a negative picture.

The champion is not the sum total of the buyrates and attendances, but he does have an impact, especially since that shiny prop still counts for something even if the champ is in a secondary fued.

Also, that they'd keep the belt on JBL while attendences went down is about as surprising as the fact that they kept Triple H on TV when he was tanking in the Quarter Hours. I know, that's different, because Triple H is family and zomfgtripulhistheman, but once we get past the Pavlovian response.....

[Fabien Barthez]

The next morning, TPWW asks: Is pedophilia really all that bad?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partij_voor_Naastenliefde,_Vrijheid_en_Diversiteit

Can you not put some of that down to the difference in rosters at the time, than simply the champion?