So let me get this right...(I would say TNA spoilers, but TNA is spoiled goods anyhow

[BigDaddyCool]

Feast or Fired, and Curry man is fired? So Chris Daniels just can't catch a break in these matches. So will he come back as Christopher Daniels or does he have yet another persona?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Frankly I had thought that once Curry Man saw his pink slip, he would have ripped off his mask in a rage and revealed himself to be Daniels, fired once again.

But nope, that would only make sense...so of course they make Curry Man look like a retard who has no idea that he just got canned.</font>

[Tb1]

I'll be happy if he comes back as himself. Not too happy mind you, because he's still coming back to TNA.

[Rollermacka]

Feast or Fired, and Curry man is fired? So Chris Daniels just can't catch a break in these matches. So will he come back as Christopher Daniels or does he have yet another persona?

Next week he's is gonna come out as Avatar and eventally develop a gimmick where he talks to a fake head and a little dog :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think we'll be seeing Christopher Daniels very soon. They've mentioned him so much in the Frontline/MEM angle. I was hoping that Curry Man would win the TNA World Heavyweight Title shot, and then pull off his mask to reveal himself as Christopher Daniels when he challenged Sting.

[Dorkchop]

TNA is stupid for not making a storyline out of this. Curryman shouldn't have lasted a year... especially how they did nothing with him for the past 6 or so months.

[BigDaddyCool]

TNA has the same problems they have alway had and refuse to address the issues. I mean at least they have moved away from so many cluster fuck mainevents, but still horrible booking, go no where story lines, completely rehashing WCW mistakes, and so on. I'm not suprised TNA didn't take advatage of possible story lines, I would be more suprised if they did.

[Volare]

Wow BDC, I didn't think anything TNA did would surprise you.

[BigDaddyCool]

Given their track record, good booking would.

[Dave Youell]

Front Line needs a 'Name'

Daniels should of always been a main eventer IMO anyway, this could be the start of his biggest push, I couldn't be happier about this

[Mr. Nerfect]

They've pretty much already fucked over Joe in the Frontline (to the point where I actually think he'd benefit by joining Main Event Mafia). Styles seems to be doing well, but they've already jobbed him out to Sting once. He and Daniels have been very neck-and-neck in how the company has portrayed them.

Daniels would rule the world if he returned to head the Frontline.

[The Mackem]

Every TNA thread brings up the line of something like 'they are making the same mistakes as WCW' or some such like statement. I haven't seen TNA in quite some time, I see the odd clip on the internet every so often.

I think everyone sees that TNA aren't as good as they could be if they put some thought behind it. Because of this people naturally assume that they are screwing themselves up like WCW did. However, WCW at least had a high point. This is probably because WCW had the purchasing power over a weak WWE at a point in time which nobody can overthrow at present. However, WCW did have angles that looked fresh even though they might have been variations on older storylines. I think KK's line on originality in wrestling as a whole probably fits best here.

For me TNA is probably at best a poor man's WCW. TNA did hire from other organisations, however couldn't raid a company as big as ECW and could only feed on the scraps of WWE.

TNA needs to settle down and think about it's direction. The problem with most of wrestling is that they focus on positioning themselves compared to WWE. TNA need to start making their own stars. WWE guys need to stop coming in with a lofty position on the card compared to the guys who have been there years. They need to put on a product which has quality in wrestling terms and leave 'entertainment' to the WWE. If they dedicate too much tv time to entertainment, they will contiuosly be shown up as second rate.

It's frustrating I guess because they could feasibly do it. They have the wrestlers, they have the personalities, they have the TV time, they are even making waves international wise but they are way off with their product.

[The Mackem]

Front Line needs a 'Name'

Daniels should of always been a main eventer IMO anyway, this could be the start of his biggest push, I couldn't be happier about this

Which begs the question, why did they 'fire' him for the Curryman character? What have they actually achieved by doing this?

[Dave Youell]

Which begs the question, why did they 'fire' him for the Curryman character? What have they actually achieved by doing this?
Feast or fired is a nice little thing IMO, someone needs to get ‘fired’ might as well do that to someone who you know isn’t going, it’s not really the end of the world.

Plus is means with Daniels return, it means they can’t revert him back to comedy and he can maintain a serious edge.

I agree with Joe joining the Main Event Mafia, heel factions are better when they have more numbers.

[Jeritron]

I agree with Joe joining the Main Event Mafia, heel factions are better when they have more numbers.

Like the NWO?

[Dave Youell]

Like the NWO?

Yes, but not that extreme towards it end

Like with Evolution, they never took on a collective, or the Horsemen (back in the day)

[Jeritron]

I think heel stables are better in smaller numbers to be honest. All stables, for that matter.
Anything over 5 members becomes ridiculous, overdone, pales in comparison to the original formation, and also becomes a burden to creative.
It's no coincidence that the Corporate-Ministry, The Alliance, The Millionaire's Club, 100 member NWO, and other huge factions were misfires. On the other hand, the greatest stables like the 4 horsemen, DX, original nWo, Evolution, and the original Corporation were among the greatest.

A stable does mean strength in numbers, yes, but it doesn't have to be large numbers. Just 3-5. Really all you need is your headliner, and a well rounded group of guys surrounding him. A couple solid cronies or a tag team, a hoss, a mid level guy, and maybe a mouth peice.

[Dave Youell]

Granted.

But I could see Sting going the other way, or leaving the angle all together, which might balance the numbers

[Kane Knight]

I think heel stables are better in smaller numbers to be honest. All stables, for that matter.
Anything over 5 members becomes ridiculous, overdone, pales in comparison to the original formation, and also becomes a burden to creative.
It's no coincidence that the Corporate-Ministry, The Alliance, The Millionaire's Club, 100 member NWO, and other huge factions were misfires. On the other hand, the greatest stables like the 4 horsemen, DX, original nWo, Evolution, and the original Corporation were among the greatest.

A stable does mean strength in numbers, yes, but it doesn't have to be large numbers. Just 3-5. Really all you need is your headliner, and a well rounded group of guys surrounding him. A couple solid cronies or a tag team, a hoss, a mid level guy, and maybe a mouth peice.

The other thing is that it really starts to strain credibility when you get ten guys. Short of ham handed intervention, there's no real reason for them to lose, especially if you're talking a heel stable. Face stables might play it a bit more fair, but still, it's an issue.

Beyond that, there are other logistical issues. I mean, a bunch of jobbers banded together makes sense, but a large number of main event or upper card members means shared glory, and few top dogs really want that. It gets silly, and unlike most of the flaws people piss about, it doesn't require a lot of thought or effort.

[Jeritron]

It only makes sense when it's common interest. DX circa 1998 was one of the most balanced stables of all time. I'm not going to proclaim it the greatest, but it really was a textbook example of what a stable should be.
It had the leader, who was going for the top singles title. It had a tag team, and it had a midcarder going for the European title. On top of that, it had a bodyguard who protected the interests of everyone in the group.
It worked perfectly.

The Horsemen were the same for NWA, and probably the greatest stable ever.

A stable needs to make sense. They need to be friends, or at the very least allies, who have individual motives that are arrived at through the common motive of the group. Capture all titles and protect eachother to better their position in the company.

At first, this is why the Corporation worked so well. Sell out and cover your own ass, and then you reap the benefits. It wasn't overpopulated until the beginning of 1999.

When interests begin to cross it gets complicated and loses credibility. Why would someone sell out to, or align with a stable that's bigger than the contender pool they're in?
It doesn't make sense. Why would HHH and Chyna lose interest in the ideal unit of DX and go to the Corporation knowing The Rock, Big Show, and others are in their way there?
It quite simply doesn't make sense.

WCW started to die when people were joining a stable bigger than the rest of the roster (nwo).
Anytime the ring can't hold all of a stable's members, or is filled by them, shit has gotten out of control. When there are more people in a stable than there are titles in the promotion, you're pushing it.

[Jeritron]

Also, lol at stables that get so out of control not only do they have way too many wrestlers, but they have multiple managers just taking up space.

The Corporate Ministry and the McMahon Helmsley Faction were the same mistake two summers in a row. Both started off great while simple.
At one point you had Vince, Shane, Paul Bearer, Patterson, Briscoe, Chyna and possibly other shitless laybouts taking up space in the stable, who were supposed to be managers and mouthpeices but said nothing, and no longer served any purpose.
They would just pace around the ring doing nothing while Vince and Shane talked, along with the other baker's dozen of midcarders and floundering main eventers.
When the mic is getting passed around and it never reaches HHH, damn.

Torrie in The McMahon Helmsley Faction was a prime example of this

[BigDaddyCool]

I agee with Jeritron.

Also, the way I see it there are 2 decent forums of stable. The kind that Jeritron laid out, where everyone in the stable has their place, holds a title and they aren't in the same bracket, but still some how equal.

Then there is the stable with one fairly powerful maineventer, and then the rest are all lackeys or thugs. Where the maineventer is trying to hold on to a belt, but don't really care if the others are doing anything besides watching out for him. That is kinda how I saw La Familia. Edge was just looking out for himself, while the Edge Heads, Bam Neely, and Chavo all kinda did his bidding and Vickie did the talking. It was a pretty decent stable. Everyone in it made since. Actaully if you look a the structure...it kinda still follows Jeritron's model of Maineventer, Tag Team, Midcarder, Mouth Piece, and Body Gaurd.