OK, what the hell is going on with Legacy?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Manu out? Snuka in? Where's Dibiase? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???

[Juan]

I think Manu will take out Snuka to regain his spot in the Legacy.

[Dave Youell]

Crazy idea Orton, have both guys?

[Mayo]

Stirring The Pot

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Nah, get rid of Manu, he just looks bad. Bring back Dibiase. Orton, Rhodes, Dibiase, and Snuka would be a badass stable, and they'd look good. I mean, Snuka actually looks more imposing than Manu's out of shape ass.

[Tazz Dan]

TBH, I don't really care right now. It started off hot, but has kind of died in the ass a little bit. Dunno, might just be me :-\

[Lock Jaw]

Manu looks like Sayid from Lost, only fat.

[Dorkchop]

Manu would look pretty vicious with some tribal Samoan tattoos. They should keep Manu and Snuka for now. After a couple of weeks Snuka and Manu can get some heat between the other leading to Manu being kicked out. He can then team with Umaga or something until he eventually gets released.

WWE should bring back 3 Minute Warning.

[XL]

Manu looks like Ron Jeremy.

[Lux]

Manu would look pretty vicious with some tribal Samoan tattoos. They should keep Manu and Snuka for now. After a couple of weeks Snuka and Manu can get some heat between the other leading to Manu being kicked out. He can then team with Umaga or something until he eventually gets released.

WWE should bring back 3 Minute Warning.

Or not, that got old in three minutes alone.

[Afterlife]

Dibiase is making a terrible movie. No clue on mhy anything else is happening. Won't be surprised if it's equally terrible.

[Sepholio]

Yeah, gotta be honest here. Manu is horrible right now. Did you see his match on RAW? I thought he was gonna keel over and die, or at least puke or something. He needs to get in better shape.

[thedamndest]

Dibiase is making a terrible movie. No clue on mhy anything else is happening. Won't be surprised if it's equally terrible.

How dare you judge it before the ten weeks of promos seamlessly woven into WWE storylines.

[XL]

I heard that Manu was being sent back to FCW, hence why he lost and was kicked out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think Manu is that bad. I actually enjoyed his match with Batista a few weeks back. His match with Batista. Anywho, both Manu and Snuka seem a little out of place in the group. Snuka is actually doing pretty well with his re-invention, though. I could see Manu teaming with Ted DiBiase when DiBiase returns, as well as maybe another third generation star, in sort of a war between the young guys.

[XL]

Yeah, that was my assumption as to where they were heading with this. I don't like it though, not one bit!

[Destor]

Hey, since Orton lost too doesn't that mean he's out?

[JT]

Hey, since Orton lost too doesn't that mean he's out?

lol...I was going to bring up that same question.

[BobBitchen]

We dvr'd Smackdown. They said Umaga is comeing to Smackdown.

Anybody know where to get the uncensored pics of Vicky?:D

[Lock Jaw]

Is that the royal "we"?

[Legend Killer]

To me, Snuka is to The Legacy as Batista was to Evolution. Snuka has the look to be in the Legacy, and his match on Monday was Phenomenal. Manu's look? Not so much, send him to SmackDown and team him up with Umaga, Tag Team Created... Wild Samoans 2.0! It's as easy as that.

The Legacy
Randy Orton, Ted Dibiase Jr., Cody Rhodes, and Sim Snuka

[Stickman]

TBH, I don't really care right now. It started off hot, but has kind of died in the ass a little bit. Dunno, might just be me :-\

Its not just you.

[GD]

Manu needs a push.

[Destor]

Off a cliff.

[Destor]

.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Randy Orton. I'd rather Cody Rhodes was doing something on his own. A proper feud with CM Punk over the IC Title could be very cool.

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid, not to nit pick, but doesn't one of them need to have the IC title first?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, not to nit pick, but doesn't one of them need to have the IC title first?

Well, one of them would win it first.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, Rhodes and Punk already feuded, or at least had a series of matches together that was just passable, didn't set the world on fire or anything. I doubt merely tossing a title in the picture would do much more. Hell, they already did title matches between the too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the philosophy and goals of the match would change, though. Instead of being CM Punk going over Cody Rhodes in a match designed to solely put Punk over, they'd be working in matches where there is meant to be more of an even ground.

[BigDaddyCool]

Philosospy and goals of a match don't mean anything to CM Punk who has no ring psychology to speak of.

[Destor]

Philosospy and goals of a match don't mean anything to CM Punk who has no ring psychology to speak of.
You have to be kidding. If you feel this way your grasp of psychology is really poor.

[BigDaddyCool]

Every match I have seen him wrestle in wwe lately has been the exact same match from Punk.

[Destor]

Please give me several examples to support this rediculous claim.

[Destor]

Every match I have seen him wrestle in wwe lately has been the exact same match from Punk.That has nothing to do with psychology. Thanks for playing.

[BigDaddyCool]

Every match I have seen Punk wrestle lately has been the same thing.

[BigDaddyCool]

That has nothing to do with psychology. Thanks for playing.

Exact same moves, exact same order, exact same facial expressions. That is all psychology. I haven't seen him switch up his game plan for different opponets. That is psychology.

[BigDaddyCool]

Punk is better than Rey Mysterio, but that isn't saying anything. Punk is very over rated.

[Destor]

Exact same moves, exact same order, exact same facial expressions. That is all psychology. I haven't seen him switch up his game plan for different opponets. That is psychology.
Not really. That's workin blue print matches. Something Every star from Hogan to The Rock do. From Ric Flair to HHH. You are very wrong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Philosospy and goals of a match don't mean anything to CM Punk who has no ring psychology to speak of.

CM Punk is actually one of the better in-ring psychologists the WWE has. I can understand your disappointment at how his matches have been planned out by agents the same, but to say Punk himself has no ring psychology, when quite the opposite is true, isn't going to end well for you.

[BobBitchen]

To me, Snuka is to The Legacy as Batista was to Evolution. Snuka has the look to be in the Legacy, and his match on Monday was Phenomenal. Manu's look? Not so much, send him to SmackDown and team him up with Umaga, Tag Team Created... Wild Samoans 2.0! It's as easy as that.

The Legacy
Randy Orton, Ted Dibiase Jr., Cody Rhodes, and Sim Snuka


pssst....

manu and Umaga are the same person.:D

[BobBitchen]

Is that the royal "we"?

no My 10 yo actually.

[Legend Killer]

pssst....

manu and Umaga are the same person.:D

So does that mean Bruce Wayne is Batman?

[Lux]

pssst....

manu and Umaga are the same person.:D

Yeah.... NO!

[Savio]

Manu is def not in it anymore. he also does not sound good on promos

[Destor]

this thread has more relevence now

[Legend Killer]

this thread has more relevence now

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Listen to the end.

[KingofOldSchool]

If Cody is Priceless, then Manu and Sim Snuka should be "Clearanced" .

[RGWhat316]

I still think Cody is the worst one of the group, and yet he is now the only one left with Orton.

[HTrain90]

Back to the Legacy for a sec...

Sunka is alright, but his matches have been far from "great." Rhodes is looking like he could end up being something more than CAWdy. I honestly feel like they're buying time for DiBiase to come back. Orton, Rhodes, DiBiase is a great group - just need a big guy to be the Batista-like character in the group. Maybe DH Smith? He is of that same ilk.

[.44 Magdalene]

If Cody is Priceless, then Manu and Sim Snuka should be "Clearanced" .

How long have you been waiting to drop that one on us?

[Afterlife]

It's amazing how the voices of Kaientai sound absolutely nothing like Shane McMahon.... :shifty:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A Manu/Snuka team seems kind of meh to me. I was sorta hoping for Manu to go to Smackdown to team with Umaga (if only because I can't help but think Umaga will get stale again fairly quickly if he's just an unintelligible savage heel)

Snuka's got some talent in him, so it's a shame he won't be in the group. Wouldn't mind bringing back Cliff Compton in a new gimmick and teaming him with Snuka again...just for the sake of beefing up the tag team ranks some more.</font>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm thinking that we haven't seen the last of Snuka. I think he'll be on RAW, trying to prove himself to Orton and Rhodes. Whether or not he makes it in, I'm not too sure. I think he's got an IC Title reign in him, though. I don't think he needs the group for that.

Manu might just need some more time in FCW. Or just have him work some ECW shows, and wrestle Finlay.

[HTrain90]

Manu just doesn't look like, well, anything. For some reason I cannot take him seriously. He seems to be ok in the ring, but he's dry as hell for some reason. Snuka will be alright. He works well and seems to have a decent amount of fire in his character. We definitely haven't seen the last of him - although I doubt he'll be in Orton's prestigious group.

Note to Orton: to have a stable, you can't kick everyone out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm thinking the group will just end up being Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase.

[parkmania]

Snuka's gonna have to step up to Orton, and will end up beating him one on one to regain a spot in Legacy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Snuka's gonna have to step up to Orton, and will end up beating him one on one to regain a spot in Legacy.

Or I'm thinking he may help Orton beat Kane next week, and the beat Kane himself, or something. I think Snuka being in would be a good thing for him, and Orton's group. But I dunno. It's messy the way they are doing this.

[Legend Killer]

Or I'm thinking he may help Orton beat Kane next week, and the beat Kane himself, or something. I think Snuka being in would be a good thing for him, and Orton's group. But I dunno. It's messy the way they are doing this.

The Legacy needs Snuka, seriously.

[The Optimist]

It's pretty stupid looking. But then, I really don't buy Orton as the mastermind behind a stable for two seconds, hilariously it might just be the story working in character that Orton just doesn't know how to group these guys and motivate them properly.

Snuka should be renamed Simmy Snuka, he's pretty cool so he should be in the group. I don't know what to do with Manu, he's too much like Umaga even now. It's silly.

[Legend Killer]

I don't know what to do with Manu, he's too much like Umaga even now. It's silly.

Umaga can at least cut a promo. Manu CANNOT!!!!!!!!!!

[The Optimist]

I agree, Umaga is better. Better in the ring, and already pretty credible, and hilariously looks in better shape. Like, anything Manu has shown he can do Umaga can do better. There's probably something better for Manu but I don't know what it is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Manu is actually fairly good on the mic. He's got intensity and clarity down. I think he could evolve into a very good talker, if given the time.

Maybe the WWE should just hire Rikishi's sons (Jonathan and Joshua Fatu, I believe), and put them in a stable with Manu, and have them as the new Samoan Fight Club.

[BobBitchen]

pssst....

manu and Umaga are the same person.:D


Just did some searching and found out I am WRONG.They are not the same person.Sorry for saying they were.

[Afterlife]

Just did some searching and found out I am WRONG.They are not the same person.Sorry for saying they were.

....Really?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought that was an "all Samoan wrestlers look the same" joke. :-\

[The Optimist]

I've never seen them in the same room together. In fact, I've never seen any two Samoans in the same room together. Except for those tv camera tricks they used for the whole "Wild Samoans fraud" and all those Rock vs. Rikishi "matches".

[.44 Magdalene]

Rikishi did it for the Rock



The Rock talks in third person




Oh God

[Anybody Thrilla]

Are you guys trying to say that Legacy needs Samoa Joe?

[BobBitchen]

Are you guys trying to say that Legacy needs Samoa Joe?

no TNA and the rest of the world need Leesoa Joe.:D

[Lux]

Just did some searching and found out I am WRONG.They are not the same person.Sorry for saying they were.

:|

[Darc]

The stable is ass backwards. Clearly their trying to it make something it's not. They've fucked around with Orton and made him this nasty piece of shit with no personality and now your gunna pair him up with a fat samoan, Cody Rhodes who looks very frail, and Snuka who is average. It just doesn't have the makings for something that would actually work. Rated RKO was better.

I dunno, The Legacy just doesn't work for me.

[Afterlife]

:|

Seriously.

[Fox]

I think Ted's injury threw off their long term plans and now they're just fucking around, teasing this and that until he returns. Then it's time for biz-nass.

[Juan]

Ted was written out to film a movie.

[Lux]

Seriously.

Yep.

[Lock Jaw]

I dunno, I'm enjoying this whole Legacy thing so far. Its not like a typical stable storyline at all. Even if WWE has no idea where its going, it has been interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently DH Smith is being considered for a part in the group. Fancy that.

[Afterlife]

Ted was written out to film a movie.

Which I already mentioned.

Yep.

I know. I was agreeing with your emoticon.

Apparently DH Smith is being considered for a part in the group. Fancy that.

You know what? Fuck that guy.

[Juan]

Which I already mentioned.

I know, but i think Fox missed your posts :p

[The Optimist]

So, about four weeks of masterbating got us right where we were in the beginning. Cool.

[Dorkchop]

The delivery of everything tonight regarding the Legacy was terrible.

I was interested in it until about now. Not to say this can't get interesting. I just don't care after tonight. I wonder if the ref for the match is second generation. I hope he isn't because no would gives a shit if a ref is second gen.

They should have had Kane join the legacy.

[Juan]

Those who didn't like this group from the beginning probably still wont after tonight, but imo tonight was bad ass and it made them look even stronger than they did when they started.

[Haze]

This group has been a mess from the very beginning. I mean in the last few weeks it looks as if the writers didn't really know what to do with this group. I mean let’s recap the last several weeks.
Orton punt kicks Dibiase.
Manu and Cody start assisting Orton.
Orton officially calls the group The Legacy.
The next week Orton threatens to break up the group.
Sim Snuka joins up.
The next week Manu is dropped.
The next week Snuka is dropped.
The next week Dibiase comes back, even after receiving the punt kick.

I mean what happened to the good ol’ days when this kind of stuff was played out a bit.

[Savio]

kinda debating on if it would have been better for Cody to turn on Orton or not.

[BigDaddyCool]

Why is Snuka out?

[Savio]

cuz Randy is racist

[BigDaddyCool]

Really?

[XL]

Did I miss the part where Snuka actually officially joined?

I saw him have a match, where he declared himself as Sim Snuka, that Cody and Manu were watching at ringside. Next thing I know Orton is telling him if he doesn't win he's out!

So when did they state he was a member?

[Lux]

Its called Youtube. Use it.

[BigDaddyCool]

Get it for me Lux.

[Legend Killer]

This stable has THE BIGGEST POTENIAL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER!!!!

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

This group is one of the few things that has my interest in WWE right now.

[Juan]

This stable has THE BIGGEST POTENIAL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER!!!!

This group is one of the few things that has my interest in WWE right now.

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did I miss the part where Snuka actually officially joined?

I saw him have a match, where he declared himself as Sim Snuka, that Cody and Manu were watching at ringside. Next thing I know Orton is telling him if he doesn't win he's out!

So when did they state he was a member?

The WWE didn't have a clue what they were doing. One week they all wrestled singles matches, and Orton said that if they win, they're in; if they lose, they're out. Cody Rhodes defeated CM Punk via countout, or something like that. Sim Snuka beat Charlie Haas, dressed up as Snuka's (adopted) dad. Manu lost to Matt Hardy, and Randy Orton also lost his match, but it is a "do as I say and not as I do" environment, I guess.

Michael Cole called that week "the first test" and Lawler said something like "I'm not sure if it's the first test. I think it's win, you're in; lose, you're out." So with that, it was fair to assume that The Legacy was shaping up to be Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Sim Snuka.

The next week, Orton officially kicked out Manu, and then said that Rhodes & Snuka would be in a tag team match, and they have to win to officially roll with him. Rhodes & Snuka then defeated Cryme Tyme, when Rhodes pinned Shad with the Rhodes of the Dice generic finisher #3 he's using. Orton then bumped into both guys backstage, and told Snuka that he was out, because he didn't get the pin.

So while Snuka was never officially in, I don't think we've seen the official formation of the group yet. Needless to say, it looks like it's going to be Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase. I wouldn't mind seeing the stable expand to include DH Smith (who as the son of Davey Boy Smith and the nephew of Bret Hart, has a lot of "legacy blood" in him), and Natalya. I mean, that's if they don't plan on doing anything with The Stampede Bulldogs idea.

I'd also consider putting Chavo Guerrero in the group, too, just so he has something relevant to do, and so the group doesn't look so...white. Then you can have the following guys go after the following titles:

Randy Orton - World Heavyweight
Chavo Guerrero - ECW
Cody Rhodes - Intercontinental
Ted DiBiase - World Tag Team
DH Smith - World Tag Team
Natalya - Women's

[Afterlife]

I just wish they'd settle in and actually....you know...DO SOMETHING.

[Juan]

^ True dat

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would be very nice, Afterlife. I wonder how well The Marine 2 will do with Ted DiBiase as a heel, though. Hell, I wonder how The Marine 2 will do with Ted DiBiase as its star.

[Afterlife]

Poorly.

[Tb1]

Didn't the original do poorly, anyway?

[Impact!]

This group is one of the few things that has my interest in WWE right now.

[The Optimist]

What's interesting about it?

[Afterlife]

Didn't the original do poorly, anyway?

What, "Explosions: The Movie"? Yes, it did poorly. Because it's a movie "starring" John Cena.

[Haze]

This group is one of the few things that has my interest in WWE right now.

Yea I was interested too...for a minute.

But the last several weeks have been such a cluster-fuck, I just gave up caring all together.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah it's become pretty obvious they have no idea what to do with the Legacy. If they do indeed bring DH Smith back to Raw to be in the group, hopefully they bring Natalya along with him, just because I think she deserves better than what she's had on SD. Send Jillian over to SD to replace her, she is beyond stale anyway.

I'd be interested in seeing DiBiase and Smith be the tag team. They teamed up in FCW so I'm assuming they'll have some kind of chemistry.</font>

[Juan]

sources: PWInsider.com

Several pushed for Manu to be kicked out of The Legacy, most notably, Randy Orton. The feeling is that he isn't in the same league or had the same amount of potential as others in the group, and didn't really fit in as a result. Many believe the group would be better off with Orton, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase and possibly DH Smith.

Considering that he's no longer apart of Legacy, many feel Manu may not be around for much longer in the WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

To be honest, I like Manu enough to want to see him stick around. I won't lose any sleep if he goes, but I could get interested in a six-man tag team feud between The Legacy and Kane, Sim Snuka & Manu. If DH Smith joins the group, you can add Goldust to the face side.

[.44 Magdalene]

I really don't think half these motherfuckers have "potential."

[.44 Magdalene]

The Legacy and Kane: Soul Reaver

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really don't think half these motherfuckers have "potential."

DH Smith and Cody Rhodes definitely do (DH Smith hasn't joined yet, but he's meant to be soon). Ted DiBiase is someone the WWE is really high on, apparently. I don't know. I can see the group working.