Kizarny

[Dave Youell]

Was fucking terrible last night.

Was gassing early, looked out of shape, no heat, or psychology.

Worst debut of someone in years

Discuss

[Chavo Classic]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RC8PAA8ozas

[Chavo Classic]

Yeh, pretty bad. Crowd wasn't into him at all but it's still very harsh to judge what could be an interesting character by just one five minute match.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Looked a little too much like Shizannon Mizoore for my liking.

[Kane Knight]

Best. Character. Ever.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Kizarny seemed decent when I saw him work a dark match against Jamie Noble a few weeks back.

He isn't on next week's show, but hopefully they give him another shot. If he still sucks in the ring, keep him around as a comedy guy.</font>

[Legend Killer]

I didn't see him debut, but maybe thats why he's not wrestling next week. Maybe WWE saw that he sucked, so they are already doing away with him. But how in the hell is WWE going to have future stars, if they don't give anyone a chance. Wrestlers aren't getting any younger.

[Chavo Classic]

I didn't see him debut, but maybe thats why he's not wrestling next week. Maybe WWE saw that he sucked, so they are already doing away with him. But how in the hell is WWE going to have future stars, if they don't give anyone a chance. Wrestlers aren't getting any younger.

Exactly. Edge nearly snapped a guy's neck on his WWE debut, and look at him now.

[Afterlife]

I consider it a stretch to call the debut "terrible". I said in another thread, It wasn't stellar, but it also wasn't the debut squash match we're used to. And the debut happened in line with MVP's one-man storyline, so he was the actual focus.

[Legend Killer]

Exactly. Edge nearly snapped a guy's neck on his WWE debut, and look at him now.

Did he really? Could you find me a video of that?

[Chavo Classic]

Did he really? Could you find me a video of that?

Took about three seconds...

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[Kane Knight]

Exactly. Edge nearly snapped a guy's neck on his WWE debut, and look at him now.

Still sloppy, but in the main event so it's okay?

[Legend Killer]

Took about three seconds...

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Fuck that Jose Estrada guy. He had it coming to him. Why couldn't Edge's debut be as good as others we have seen... Taker 707 knows about the debuts.

[Londoner]

Can't stand kizarny.

[Team Sheep]

A very boring match.

[Purgatory]

Very bad entrance, boring match, looked very out of shape, very crappy finisher....Just a total waste of time. I found the highlight to be MVP momentarily taking control.

[Dorkchop]

He wrestled here in an indie event 4 years ago and he was good then. He has a great look and is at least decent in the ring. I don't know how well he can carry himself or his opponent in a match, but he did well for a shitty indie harcore match.

Kizarny is a terrible idea. Actually the idea of a carny wrestler is a good idea for a gimmick, but they went about it the wrong way (boring). The match was boring, but at least it was an actual match and not a squash. Still boring though.

[Halbowsky]

I think the problem with Kizarny was that he fought MVP whose character has well been established and who got a considerable amount of offence in. If Kizarny was in a total squash match, or fought someone like Ryan Braddock, his debut would've been much better.

And for some reason, I just don't like it when these guys don't wear any kind of arm support (wrist tape/pads, elbow pads, etc.)

[Dave Youell]

You know, it wasn't like he had a bad match per say.

It was the little things that I hated, like the bad habits.

His execution of moves like a leg drop were wrong, his come back was really flat and wet, once his match started the crowd didn't seem to exist to him, which is one of the reasons there was no heat.

I am struggling to think of anyone this decade on WWE tv that had a worse debut, seriously, that's how bad I think it was

[Legend Killer]

You know, it wasn't like he had a bad match per say.

It was the little things that I hated, like the bad habits.

His execution of moves like a leg drop were wrong, his come back was really flat and wet, once his match started the crowd didn't seem to exist to him, which is one of the reasons there was no heat.

I am struggling to think of anyone this decade on WWE tv that had a worse debut, seriously, that's how bad I think it was

Could this be the WWE Writers' faults? I think so.

[Afterlife]

Very bad entrance, boring match, looked very out of shape, very crappy finisher....Just a total waste of time. I found the highlight to be MVP momentarily taking control.

Bad entance? Crappy finisher? Out of shape? Where are we getting these ideas?

[JT]

Yeh, pretty bad. Crowd wasn't into him at all but it's still very harsh to judge what could be an interesting character by just one five minute match.

I don't know if it made it to tv, but the front row and another good portion of the crowd was chanting "MVP.

[.44 Magdalene]

It was a pretty dead debut, but I thought it was a pretty decent match. I like the way he does his double arm DDT, but it's kinda disappointing that it's his finisher. I'd rather see it as a random move in his repetoire, and something with a little more kick to finish matches with.

I'm hoping he was just nervous--I know I sure as fuck would be. Maybe once he gets a little more comfortable, he'll start handling the crowd better--I'm sure it's not hard to make simple mistakes at a time like that.

[.44 Magdalene]

Also, they should remix his theme music or something. Between the happy-go-lucky music and the airplane spins, his entrance reminded me too much of ... I don't know, Eugene.

[Kane Knight]

Why should he be nervous?

[KingofOldSchool]

My name is Futizure Endizeavours.

[.44 Magdalene]

Why should he be nervous?

My name is Futizure Endizeavours.

First actual match on a major WWE program? High chance of getting fired for no particular reason? Pattern recognition? I'd be nervous.

[FourFifty]

Let's not talk about Kizarny. When he gets fired after his second match he'll just be forgotten about, unlike Braden Walker.

[KingofOldSchool]

Let's not talk about Kizarny. When he gets fired after his second match he'll just be forgotten about, unlike Braden Walker.

Braden Walker will forever be in our hearts.

[IC Champion]

Braden Walker is a future world champion.

[Lux]

More impact on finisher, other then that I look forward to see where this could go.

[thedamndest]

They should have just reused the heel Doink gimmick. With Kizarny, I am really not sure if he is supposed to be a heel or not. His style is such that he almost looks like he was "stalking" MVP in the beginning, but then as things progressed it got more facier. I am assuming the stalking was just because he is an unbalanced carny?

[Kane Knight]

First actual match on a major WWE program? High chance of getting fired for no particular reason? Pattern recognition? I'd be nervous.

But he's clearly an amazing talent, so....

[FourFifty]

Hmmm, MVP looked alright in the match.
However I didn't care until the 8:37 mark.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Here's the match for anyone that wants to see it. I'll admit that Kizarny did look sloppy at times. When I say that, I mean that it was obvious he was calling spots to MVP when they were on the floor, and stuff like that. But I was particularly offended by him, or anything. I'd chalk it off to nerves. Definitely give the guy another chance.

I actually really like the Double-Arm DDT with body scissors rolled into a pin. It's got its own style, but I think it needs to be supported by some more high impact, weirdly executed maneuvers. One thing that definitely needs to change about the guy is his music. He's meant to be this crazy carnival guy, but they have him come out to this harmless little ditty? Harden the fuck up, Kiz. Add some guitar riffs or bass to it -- something.

Also, one thing about the character is how inaccessible it is to fans. He's an alienating personality. Who really wants to hang out with a carnival freak? The Undertaker and Goldust can get away with this sort of thing, because of their longetivity and other such factors. Kizarny needs to have something that truly connects him to the fans. For The Boogeyman, it was going after heels. That's something Kizarny should do. He actually needs to enter a feud with a guy the fans do not like. I'm curious as to see how a feud between The Brian Kendrick and Kizarny would go, with one guy being all about style, and the other guy being all about...well, counter-style. At the very least, a tag team between Kizarny and The Boogeyman would work, with Kizarny soaking up the punishment, before tagging in Boogey.

Onto the other party in the match: MVP has been getting initial chants for a while now. It's a testament to the kind of performer he is that he can go on such a losing streak, and still remain as over as he has. That is important for a guy to be able to do, I think, and it's going to make MVP a better performer in the long run.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, Mr. Kennedy rocks the old man look. And while it was not in this video, he does a pretty good MVP impersonation.

[FourFifty]

How about this for this theme?

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[Mr. Nerfect]

That would rock, FourFifty.

This man needs to blow fire or something during his entrance, too. He seems like such a kinetic personality, yet he's not really doing anything with it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should bring back heel Doink just for Kizarny to beat up one week.

[FourFifty]

Would Kizarny and face Doink work out as a decent tag team filler?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would Kizarny and face Doink work out as a decent tag team filler?

I was thinking about that, actually. I'd prefer it over Kizarny and The Boogeyman, just because the WWE can put someone talented in the role of Doink. But Kizarny seems more "edgy." It'd have to be a re-invented Doink, I think. Or they'd need to establish a personality dynamic between the two.

[thedamndest]

You watch. In one week he will be repackaged as Ryan Kizarny, speak normally, have a generic theme, and wear trunks. He will job out to, oh I dunno, The Brian Kendrick and then be wished the best in his future endeavors.

[Afterlife]

So far, I think the execution of this character is wrong. But, I'm willing to give them a chance to impress me and make him unique. I do agre that his music should be "scary fucking circus" music, but his LCD imagery on the stage was awesome. lol Also, yes, if he's supposed to be a fire-eater, let's see the fire in a few entrances. And yes, I do think he was probably nervous and/or anxious about his tv debut. But let's not forget Shelton "Quiver Voice" Benjamin's singles debut on Raw. Everybody needs time to improve.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So far, I think the execution of this character is wrong. But, I'm willing to give them a chance to impress me and make him unique. I do agre that his music should be "scary fucking circus" music, but his LCD imagery on the stage was awesome. lol Also, yes, if he's supposed to be a fire-eater, let's see the fire in a few entrances. And yes, I do think he was probably nervous and/or anxious about his tv debut. But let's not forget Shelton "Quiver Voice" Benjamin's singles debut on Raw. Everybody needs time to improve.

He's improved so much to become Shelton "Quiver Voice" Benjamin, United States Champion. Seriously, though, I love all the chances they are giving Benjamin. They are getting him to work the mic pretty regularly, as well as doing backstage promos in the like. It's just so obvious they are trying to get him up the *ahem* gold standard for the main event scene.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You watch. In one week he will be repackaged as Ryan Kizarny, speak normally, have a generic theme, and wear trunks. He will job out to, oh I dunno, The Brian Kendrick and then be wished the best in his future endeavors.

Ryan sounds too much like "Brian" as in The Brian Kendrick. He'll probably get a name like "Clifford." Clifford Kizarny, fire-eating lawyer?

[Kane Knight]

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Already posted, for the record.

[BigDaddyCool]

Noid, why is it you want to force every debuting wrestler in WWE into a tag team?

[Kane Knight]

Kizarny is too dynamic to be held down by a tag partner, anyway.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, why is it you want to force every debuting wrestler in WWE into a tag team?

Um...I don't?

Sometimes I think it would be best for them to polish them off and to get them to work with more experiences and over guys to form connections with the crowd. It's certainly not for everyone, though.

[Afterlife]

Noid, why is it I have to pretend you've deliberately annoyed me everytime I post in a thread after you?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kizarny sizucks sizo fizar.

He would be nice as a leader of a band of freaks who do his evil bidding "all in the name of entertainment". He's been labeled a freak his whole life and people have even gone as far to pay money to watch him do sick, and demented things. Instead of shunning that and becoming an outcast, however, he is embracing it any only doing things that HE thinks people want to see...like sick, sadistic torture and what have you.

THAT Kizarny would be cool. This one sucks.

[Blue Demon]

Kizarny has reportedly already gotten off to a bad start with WWE as many key people have soured on him and he has been described as another guy who can be added to the list of people that John Laurinaitis has heat on for backing reports The Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Live reports on his debut on Smackdown this week were described as bad, while he was booked in house show matches against MVP where it was booked to have MVP take the whole match and then lose in a fluke moment. These plans were described as the perfect example of having someone win and be buried at the same time.

http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1231101541.shtml

[Innovator]

Kizzary wizill bize wizished hizis bizest izin hizis fizuture endizeavors vizery sizoon

[Anybody Thrilla]

So what's his actual name? How long has he been wrestling?

[Mr. Nerfect]

His real name is Nick Cvjetkovich, but he has wrestled around the place under the names "Sinn," "Sinn Bowdee," and some others. He was "Sinn" in Jim Mitchell's "The New Church" group in TNA, back in the four-sided ring days. He's legitimately good friends with Edge & Christian, and wrestled as "H.N. Hardcastle" at one point, perhaps as homage to Edge.

He made his wrestling debut in 2000, and is 35 years old, so he's hardly a rookie or a young man. He is a protoge to Jake Roberts, as well as being initially trained by Ron Hutchinson. He is Canadian, and has been the writer and artist for his own series of comic books and a comedy-horror novel.

Kizarny apparently used to bang Traci Brooks, which instantly makes him the man.

All of this, and more, can be found on Wikipedia.

[Afterlife]

Apparently, Edge wants a stable of EC&K.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently, Edge wants a stable of EC&K.

Was that just a Team ECK memory joke, or is that actually what he wants? Because what Edge wants, Edge should get. Just throw in Tyson Tomko for "TECK." Tomko & Kizarny would actually make a pretty hilarious tag team.

[.44 Magdalene]

TIZOMKO, GIZIVE ME A BIZEAT









































No.

[Afterlife]

Was that just a Team ECK memory joke, or is that actually what he wants? Because what Edge wants, Edge should get. Just throw in Tyson Tomko for "TECK." Tomko & Kizarny would actually make a pretty hilarious tag team.

Nope. He said he's hoping to get Kiz and Christian teamed up with him as soon as possible, because he knows them both so well. He knows how they wortk, and vice versa. The idea has him rather stoked, as I heard it.

[Afterlife]

Actually, Kizarny and Tomko could have epic chemistry id done properly. Headcheese, all over again. :)

[Kane Knight]

Only better.

[Blitz]

Sinn is awesome.

[Afterlife]

Only better.

I would agree with that, even if you're being sarcastic. But not in that I would agree with the sarcasm.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Already posted, for the record.

Didn't show up on my computer, so I didn't know. My humblest of apologies for trying to share it with people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nope. He said he's hoping to get Kiz and Christian teamed up with him as soon as possible, because he knows them both so well. He knows how they wortk, and vice versa. The idea has him rather stoked, as I heard it.

Very, very interesting. Christian will probably feud with Jeff Hardy upon returning, but a lot of things about how "different" Kizarny is makes me sort of want to see him and Jeff Hardy have a few matches. They would either match up really well, or bring out the worst in each other.

If they stick Kizarny with Edge and Christian, they might as well give him The Brood's old music. Just for kicks. And because it was an awesome theme. But yeah, I'd definitely want to see Tomko join them.