why does everyone hate cena?

[HBKool96]

he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe.

will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs?
randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks.
mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak.
val venis- at least cena gets time on tv.
edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc.
mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager.
jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.
chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles.
mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company.


he's better than them.

[KYR]

Oh dear.

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/~pdeh/smiley_flamethrower.gif

[FourFifty]

.........Did that kid REALLY mention Venis, or do I need to cut back on my drinking?

[KYR]

Not even Noid can save him now.

[D Mac]

Because he sucks. Duh :roll:

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't Jillian Hall's Christmas Album sell better than Cena's?

[therocksays]

this person is probably 12.

[El Fangel]

Odds

3-1 A sock
10-1 A girl
1-1 An idiot

[Fignuts]

He makes a lot of sense, guys.

[Kalyx triaD]

he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe.

will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs?
randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks.
mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak.
val venis- at least cena gets time on tv.
edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc.
mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager.
jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.
chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles.
mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company.


he's better than them.

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:n:

[thedamndest]

People in Laos probably don't hate Cena.

[Fox]

I don't like Cena cause I can't see him, and I don't like things that I can't see, like air and the space between glass and ninjas. If he made himself more visible I might change my perspective on this Cena character.

[SuperSlim]

I was just curious if the kid was serious or not. Because I'm really... really... REALLY hoping this is nothing more than one of those spam joke threads. Well not really jokes cause jokes are supposed to be funny.. like funny haha and this one definitely did not deliver.

[KYR]

No. I do think he's serious.

[Fignuts]

Honestly you're all just haters. Hating on Cena just because its "cool".

Well irrefutable logic says differently.

HBKool96 just pwned every one of you.

[Fox]

F-U Fignuts

[KYR]

I have to disagree.

In recent times there has been marked recognition in this forum for the work Cena does for charities, kids, troops etc.

We have also acknowledged his work ethic for the WWE.

What we "mostly" agree on is that he can't wrestle.

[.44 Magdalene]

And that the way he's pushed is obnoxious

[.44 Magdalene]

Really, I don't know too many people that genuinely hate Cena. I just know alot of people who are tired of seeing him. There's such thing as too much

[KYR]

There's no denying that he is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) money-spinners for the WWE - in this respect, he is a HUGE success.

However, that doesn't mean I have to like him as a wrestler.

[D Mac]

jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.

:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually hope it's real and not a sock. I just don't think socks are funny. Complete sincerity attached to this would make it a lot more amusing, not to make fun of the poor kid.

People generally dislike Cena because he's a G-rated paper-cut personality attached to a boringly rigid moveset. He's one of the most pretentious acts in the company, and although he's actually a talented wrestler, they never let him work to his in-ring strengths.

He was shoved down our throats as this do-gooder babyface, even though what made him stand-out in the first place was this "I don't give a fuck attitude." What's worse is that they still try to sell him as a guy fighting the world, what with his "controversial" crowd reactions and "beating the odds" storylines.

He's always the champion for some reason too, which is just boring. And even though he sells merchandise, Cena has not proven to be a massive draw, in the most traditional sense of the word.

Plus, he did those God-awful things to the WWE Title and US Title, for which he may never be forgiven.

[RGWhat316]

Cena himself does not seem like a bad guy and he does try. However, I hate his massive push to the top and character the most. Though I also hate most of his main moves. The F-U and 5 knuckle shuffle are terrible. And I still don't know if he can correctly apply the stfu.

He doesn't even need to be a heel, but just a bad ass face, and I would actually like him. But he is really just a puppet that plays to the crowd too much, especially little kids.

[Vastardikai]

Because You Touch Yourself At Night.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And I still don't know if he can correctly apply the stfu.



He did choke Edge unconscious once.

[AKin3D]

http://www.sparkimg.com/emoticons/ohmygod.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone says this every couple of days, but if John Cena turned heel, his whole dynamic would change. The way he spoke, the way he wrestled, even his image. Everything about him would be so fresh and new. When they do turn Cena heel, it will be fucking massive, I'll give them that.

Also, as horrible as this may be to say...I do not mind the STFU. I'm glad people shit all over Cena's execution on mere principle, but to be honest, if Cena trapped one of your legs, and then pulled back on your neck, I'm pretty sure that would fucking hurt.

[Disturbed316]

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[AKin3D]

Everyone says this every couple of days, but if John Cena turned heel, his whole dynamic would change. The way he spoke, the way he wrestled, even his image. Everything about him would be so fresh and new. When they do turn Cena heel, it will be fucking massive, I'll give them that.

Also, as horrible as this may be to say...I do not mind the STFU. I'm glad people shit all over Cena's execution on mere principle, but to be honest, if Cena trapped one of your legs, and then pulled back on your neck, I'm pretty sure that would fucking hurt.

Yeah I think a Cena Heel turn could put him back up there where he was when he first picked up the rapper gimmic. I just find it sad that his character has had little to no growth what so ever. I mean when you hold him up next to Batista and Orton for character growth and wrestling ablities, I think Cena comes under Batista when it comes down to it. That's sad within itself.

As for the STFU. It's ok. I was just glad he got another move.

Oh and I'm so tired of his "Oh look I'm a fan too!" BS. Ok fine, your a fan. So is Edge, but you don't see him rambling on endless about it. Also if Cean was a fan and not a http://www.sparkimg.com/emoticons/sheepish.gif he would know what the real fans think about him.

[GD]

You forgot to mention that he gets a boner while wrestling Canadians.

[AKin3D]

You forgot to mention that he gets a boner while wrestling Canadians.

:rofl:

[Halbowsky]

It's the same reason why people hate Halo:

Fot some reason, it became cool to hate the cool thing. And since it's not allowed to form your own opinion, people have to go with the majority just to look cool

[Xero]

..........................If this isn't a sock I've lost all hope in humanity...

[Savio]

pretty sure its a sock

[Kane Knight]

And that the way he's pushed is obnoxious

Pretty much only this. Anyone who tells you he can't wrestle is dumber than the sock who made the thread in the first place.

[Triple Naitch]

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and no, i'm not 96.

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whats a cruiserweight??


:shifty:

[Triple Naitch]

Personally, I would rather see Cena sell out and align himself with a McMahon as his heel turn. Just a way of him thanking the McMahons for selling so much of his merchandise. The McMahons then start putting his face on every kind of product. "You Can't See Me Laundry Detergent", "The Champ is Here Cereal", the list can go on and on.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hold, I think this guy has a point.

[Gertner]

I think I found my new favourite poster.

[Volare]

Me?

[Savio]

Pretty much only this. Anyone who tells you he can't wrestle is dumber than the sock who made the thread in the first place.
You wouldn't say he's bland?

[El Fangel]

I was just surfing wikipedia and I realized that Cena is on his 4th world title run. I could have sworn it was like his 10th or are his reigns just that long?

[Innovator]

thaaaaaaaaaaat long

[Destor]

If you guys start blaming Cena fot the length of his title runs my head is gonne explode.

[Verbose Minch]

It's the same reason why people hate Halo:

Fot some reason, it became cool to hate the cool thing. And since it's not allowed to form your own opinion, people have to go with the majority just to look cool

The reason people hate Halo is because it was terribly over hyped and is in fact, quite an average game. The only reason Halo made it to where it was is because it came out on a system, that at the time, had no games. Thus it was championed because it was just a little above average.

[Destor]

Yeah Halo is really shit.*

*I haven't played it online nor do I plan on it

[El Fangel]

If you guys start blaming Cena fot the length of his title runs my head is gonne explode.

Not blaming him, but you must agree that they are super long if someone things he had like 10 when he just started his fourth.

[Destor]

They're only long cause the WWE has gotten us used to these crazy short title reigns. I'm way more pissed edge's last reign was only 30 days than I am Cena held it for like, 11 months or so.

[Innovator]

Testy Desty has a point. Here is hoping for a 5 year Edge title run

[Kane Knight]

You wouldn't say he's bland?I would say he's bland only insofar as he's pushed in a very bland fashion. The guy's charismatic and very capable of wrestling; he's just being asked to play a guy who doesn't sell and knows five moves. He showed variety and psychology early on, and I doubt he's forgotten all that recently.

So I would say his bland, but that relates to the obnoxious way he's been pushed.

[Kane Knight]

I'd blame Cena just to see Destor's head explode. I wanna look inside and see what meth does to your brain.

[El Fangel]

WWE Title

first reign 280 days (9.5 months)
second reign 133 days (4.5 months
third reign 380 days 12.5 months

number of reigns 3 - 793 days (2 years 2 months 3 days)

World Title

Won November 23rd - 44 days

given the length of his other reigns, he will lose it at Summerslam (my guess)

[Fox]

My problem with Cena is his lack of any kind of real, intense edge to his character. He's said it before in interviews: nobody writes lines for him - they give him the basics of what they want him to say and he goes out and does his own thing. That's the problem. His "own thing" is often vanilla white icing. Yeah, it's good - tastes good, looks good - but it's bland as all fuck, and god damn it, it's on top of the cake and that's what we're going to get.

For example, "Cena is Poopy" is still fucking unforgivable to me, and I'm willing to bet that it was his fucking call to write that shit. Just awful.

Austin had edge - Rock had edge - Triple H had edge - Sting had edge - hell, even Samoa Joe has more of an edge than John Cena. I don't truly blame the guy for this - I think that edge and that "cool factor" are part of who you are as a human being, and Cena simply doesn't have that.

[94 SVT Cobra]

everytime one of these threads starts, ive noticed as the tpww forums #1 lurker that slowly but steadily...people are actually defending cena more often....gasp

[94 SVT Cobra]

also for the record, Cena is the SOLE reason stopped watching wrestling 2 years ago..

[Xero]

Austin had edge - Rock had edge - Triple H had edge - Sting had edge - hell, even Samoa Joe has more of an edge than John Cena. I don't truly blame the guy for this - I think that edge and that "cool factor" are part of who you are as a human being, and Cena simply doesn't have that.

Would you say Edge has edge?

[El Fangel]

Would you say Edge has edge?

Edge has Rage ;)

[Kalyx triaD]

Halo's awesome. Get over it.

[Xero]

Halo sucks. Start playing real games.

[.44 Magdalene]

Halo sucks. Start playing real games.

[Mercury Bullet]

http://img.iht.com/images/2009/01/06/pinkiguana.550.jpg

[Kane Knight]

CM Punk has Edge. Straight Edge.

[.44 Magdalene]

Scott Hall has Edge. Outsider's Edge.

[Xero]

http://img.iht.com/images/2009/01/06/pinkiguana.550.jpg

HOLY SHIT IT'S A FUCKING LIZARD!

[El Fangel]

Chyna is on the Edge

[Vastardikai]

Austin had edge - Rock had edge - Triple H had edge - Sting had edge - hell, even Samoa Joe has more of an edge than John Cena. I don't truly blame the guy for this - I think that edge and that "cool factor" are part of who you are as a human being, and Cena simply doesn't have that.

Damn, Edge is a slut.

[DaveWadding]

I just don't think socks are funny.

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:rofl:

[Legend Killer]

he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe.

will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs?
randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks.
mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak.
val venis- at least cena gets time on tv.
edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc.
mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager.
jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.
chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles.
mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company.


he's better than them.

This is great stuff! I agree 110%.;)

[Gerard]

If cenas gimmick was the same as it was on smackdown with the "freestyles" and inuendos it would have had more steam. It seems that around the time he won his first world title he got toned down to generic grinning good guy.

Vinces's "bag o' gimmicks" must be getting pretty thin on originality, if it ever had any to begin with.

[Theo Dious]

I will say again, I do not have any problem with John Cena as a person. He's a good worker with talent and has respect for the business. But, his storylines are boring, his gimmick is bland, and he needs freshened up like nobody's business. They've spent too much time making him Stone Cold 2 instead of Cena 1.

[El Fangel]

I will say again, I do not have any problem with John Cena as a person. He's a good worker with talent and has respect for the business. But, his storylines are boring, his gimmick is bland, and he needs freshened up like nobody's business. They've spent too much time making him Stone Cold 2 instead of Cena 1.

Your saying that Stone Colds storylines were boring, his gimmick bland and in need of a freshen up? Towards the end he needed something new, but comparing it to Cena is horrible.

[Xero]

I see Cena as a hybrid of Austin, Rock and Hogan. He's got the "edge" of Austin, the "snappiness" of Rock and the "wholesome image" of 80's Hogan.

Unfortunately, it's not a good recipe.

As I've said in the past, Cena has everything he needs to be over at around an Austin or a Rock level but the writing and general image of the company is keeping him back.

[CSL]

Not one single person who's opinion actually matters hates John Cena and that's all that's important

[Gertner]

everytime one of these threads starts, ive noticed as the tpww forums #1 lurker that slowly but steadily...people are actually defending cena more often....gasp

VROOM VROOM!

[Kane Knight]

Your saying that Stone Colds storylines were boring, his gimmick bland and in need of a freshen up? Towards the end he needed something new, but comparing it to Cena is horrible.

The sequel is never as good as the originall, see.

[El Fangel]

The Godfather? Hell one in a billion.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/g/godfather/11.jpg

[El Fangel]

HO TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[RGWhat316]

I like the bad ass characters, but Cena I just don't buy as one of those. Back before he won the title he was that character. And here I thought it was just UPN that was toning him down. Things were supposed to be different when he was moved to RAW, it just didnt pan out that way.

[Lux]

Who really is... John Cena. Answer me that.

[Legend Killer]

Who really is... John Cena. Answer me that.

Destor.

[Theo Dious]

Your saying that Stone Colds storylines were boring, his gimmick bland and in need of a freshen up? Towards the end he needed something new, but comparing it to Cena is horrible.

No, I'm saying they spent all their time trying to build him up as the anti-authority, anti-hero odds-beater. They saw a heel that the fans were eager to get behind, like Austin had been, but they screwed up when instead of riding the wave the fans dictated, they turned him into a face while stripping him of a lot of the qualities that made him popular.

[Destor]

I hate Cena cause he wrestles in sneakers.

[Legend Killer]

I hate Cena cause he wrestles in sneakers.

But you are John Cena...;).

[TapOut]

John Cena as a company man = Great.
John Cena's in-ring ability = Great. Yeah, it's debatable, but I think he's a pretty solid wrestler.
John Cena the character = Utter crap.

I still have no clue why the WWE stripped his character of all his redeeming qualities. He gives Rock-like promos where he is not funny, and his year-long title reign in 2006-2007 was one of the most ridiculous reigns I've seen. Two PPV matches with Umaga and two PPV matches with Khali? Yeah, I wonder who will win those matches...

It was obvious that at no point in his feud with Orton were the WWE going to let Orton go over him. I was actually relieved Cena went on the shelf because it forced them to use Orton. Then, in 2008, we have Jericho in his prime and what do they do? Have Cena beat him for the title on his first night back, then decisively beat him again the next PPV just to make sure we all know who's the boss.

I wish the WWE would push him like a top-level talent and give him some character rather than trying to push him as the franchise of the WWE.

[redoneja]

People in Laos probably don't hate Cena.

They do prefer the Whopper to Cena though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Personally, I would rather see Cena sell out and align himself with a McMahon as his heel turn. Just a way of him thanking the McMahons for selling so much of his merchandise. The McMahons then start putting his face on every kind of product. "You Can't See Me Laundry Detergent", "The Champ is Here Cereal", the list can go on and on.

That is exactly how I could see a heel turn going down. Instead of Cena wearing a suit, or anything, Vince just starts pimping himself out in John Cena gear.

[Legend Killer]

They do prefer the Whopper to Cena though.

John Cena once walked into a McDonalds and ordered a Whopper and got one.:yes:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hate Cena cause he wrestles in sneakers.

I actually really hate that, too. A wrestler should probably wear proper wrestling attire. What style is up to the wrestler, but wearing clothes you'd wear down the street is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.

I also really hate his music, and how overproduced his entrances are.

And Halo was pretty shit, really.

[El Fangel]

I actually really hate that, too. A wrestler should probably wear proper wrestling attire. What style is up to the wrestler, but wearing clothes you'd wear down the street is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.

I also really hate his music, and how overproduced his entrances are.

And Halo was pretty shit, really.


It makes him look stupid.

His music makes him look worse.

His entrance kills.

Halo 2 is teh winzorz!

[CSL]

Eh?

[Lux]

I actually really hate that, too. A wrestler should probably wear proper wrestling attire. What style is up to the wrestler, but wearing clothes you'd wear down the street is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.

I also really hate his music, and how overproduced his entrances are.

And Halo was pretty shit, really.

LOL, the man can wear what he wishes as long as it doesn't affect his co-workers, quit bitching you stupid women!

[Haze]

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Just gives us back the old Cena, thats all I'm saying.

[El Fangel]

Fuck I miss bearable Cena.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL, the man can wear what he wishes as long as it doesn't affect his co-workers, quit bitching you stupid women!

Not when it makes it look like he's condescending the industry. It'd be like a swimmer wearing jeans when he swam.

[Lux]

Not when it makes it look like he's condescending the industry. It'd be like a swimmer wearing jeans when he swam.

Comparing jeans and water to sneakers and a wrestling ring, smooth. Not two different things. He shows passion and a love for the business and shows and honors it in his own way. Boohooo.

[.44 Magdalene]

At least he's not naked

Or wearing a wig

Or wearing sunglasses

Or wearing a belly shirt

Etc.

I've got a few things against Cena, but bitching about his sneakers is pretty stupid.

[RGWhat316]

Of course the easy answer to this question is that I am not under the age of 14, nor am I a female, therefore I do not fit his demographic and will still continue to hate him.

[XL]

But why hate him?

Seems most of us are in agreement that we dislike the way he has been used - his bland character, his by-the-numbers promos, endless pushes, etc.

Personally I think Cena is a blessing to an industry that the general media makes out to be populated by drug-addled, roided-out, painkiller poppers (I'm not saying that that assessment isn't true). He seems to be a nice guy, loves wrestling and can work a decent match - Vince just needs to let him.

[AJHayes]

he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe.

will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs?
randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks.
mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak.
val venis- at least cena gets time on tv.
edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc.
mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager.
jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.
chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles.
mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company.


he's better than them.

*facepalm*

[Kane Knight]

Not when it makes it look like he's condescending the industry. It'd be like a swimmer wearing jeans when he swam.

We are SO not sitting with him at lunch.

[GD]

Edge has Cage ;)

Fixed

[GD]

I hate Cena cause he wrestles in sneakers.

I hate Cena coz he stole my bike! :shifty:

[XL]

If you told the full story he wouldn't come off as the bad guy though.

See, I have it on good authority that Guru Dave wasn't alone when his bike was stolen by Mr Cena. On the contary, he was in a group that consisted of (but was not limited to) a very hungry Mike Tyson, Chuck Liddell and Brock Lesnar (fresh off reading something written about him on the interweb).

It was quite miraculous how Cena managed to overcome the odds to steal the bike at all.

[Xero]

I hate Cena coz he stole my bike! :shifty:

Wigger stole my bike!

[Savio]

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Just gives us back the old Cena, thats all I'm saying.lol people pooped because he said PS2

[Kane Knight]

People pooped over PS2?

[HBKool96]

with all the lame excues for why people don't like john cena would anyone be happy if he was a bad guy? i wouldn't be happy with that.

[Haze]

with all the lame excues for why people don't like john cena would anyone be happy if he was a bad guy? i wouldn't be happy with that.

I think it is safe to say you would be in the minority.

[Kane Knight]

with all the lame excues for why people don't like john cena would anyone be happy if he was a bad guy? i wouldn't be happy with that.

He doesn't really need to be a "bad guy." He got over by doing bad things, and was still cheered. He was actually somewhat edgy, and he got strong responses.

I think the "just turn him heel" solution is smark "logic," and it really doesn't work that way, so I doubt I'd be happy if they turned him heel. But he doesn't need to be a complete babyface, either.

[Darc]

People generally dislike Cena because he's a G-rated paper-cut personality attached to a boringly rigid moveset. He's one of the most pretentious acts in the company, and although he's actually a talented wrestler, they never let him work to his in-ring strengths.

I'd say people generally dislike Cena because he is the company man and people cannot stand it (I say people, i mean smarks, which are like people but with delusions of grandure). They do not want to cheer for someone who is, lets be blunt about, aimed at children. But guess what? This isn't the Attitude Era any more. Those fans are long gone watching MMA. WWE is so low in the ratings now because the fans moved on at around 2001, when the Attitude Era was still in play. WWE's decision to go PG is the smartest thing they have done in a long time. Going PG means they get their audience young. That audience is going to grow up loving WWE and most will continue to watch well into their teens. Then they will be adults, and they will still be loyal to WWE. This is a smart direction and has proven successful 1001 times before.

What is rigid about a flying rocker dropper, by the way?


He's always the champion for some reason too, which is just boring. And even though he sells merchandise, Cena has not proven to be a massive draw, in the most traditional sense of the word.

"Always"? If he was always champion he'd have won the title at No Mercy or Mania when he returned, but he didn't. They kepts the title on Orton, and while CM Punk was champion he was well out of the way. This is his first title reign in a year.

And what exactly do you mean by "traditional sense of the word"? His return made RAW ratings increase by .4, he is selling more merchandise than anyone else, and has more gatesales than most guys in WWE. In what sense is he not a massive draw?

Plus, he did those God-awful things to the WWE Title and US Title, for which he may never be forgiven.

Merchandise = Money. It was ingenious of WWE to do it, especially since titles are nothing more than props.

[Fox]

Your last sentence says wonders about how you look at wrestling, Darc.

[Kane Knight]

I'd say people generally dislike Cena because he is the company man and people cannot stand it (I say people, i mean smarks, which are like people but with delusions of grandure).

The hate predates him being "the company man." Smarks or otherwise, it's hard to call this the cause of the hate, since it comes afterwards.

They do not want to cheer for someone who is, lets be blunt about, aimed at children.

Again, booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children.

But enough about Vince's sex life....

But guess what? This isn't the Attitude Era any more. Those fans are long gone watching MMA. WWE is so low in the ratings now because the fans moved on at around 2001, when the Attitude Era was still in play. WWE's decision to go PG is the smartest thing they have done in a long time. Going PG means they get their audience young. That audience is going to grow up loving WWE and most will continue to watch well into their teens. Then they will be adults, and they will still be loyal to WWE. This is a smart direction and has proven successful 1001 times before.

Untrue.

WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more.

Now, they only make it to the top ten half the time, even without major competition, they're being beaten by Nickelodeon shows (this will be important later), and they top at about five million. That's the top. So they've lost over 3 million on average. When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos.

So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense.

WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers, they aren't significantly picking up the children. Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone.

"Always"? If he was always champion he'd have won the title at No Mercy or Mania when he returned, but he didn't. They kepts the title on Orton, and while CM Punk was champion he was well out of the way. This is his first title reign in a year.

Allow me to translate.

"Always" is Noid-speak for "anything short of nothing."

Replace Noid-speak with smark-speak if you like. Same diff. Noid's just a particularly rabid one.

Still, Cena has had amazingly long title reigns and held the belt a Hell of a lot. Hyperbole aside, there is a valid point there.

And what exactly do you mean by "traditional sense of the word"? His return made RAW ratings increase by .4, he is selling more merchandise than anyone else, and has more gatesales than most guys in WWE. In what sense is he not a massive draw?

Really? Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary. He's selling more merch, the only true part of the statement, attendances are down in both seats sold and buys. Gates are up because they increased ticket prices. Even WWE's financial reports admit this.

Merchandise = Money. It was ingenious of WWE to do it, especially since titles are nothing more than props.

Ticket sales and PPV buys also=money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

[BigDaddyCool]

The hate predates him being "the company man." Smarks or otherwise, it's hard to call this the cause of the hate, since it comes afterwards.



Again, booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children.

But enough about Vince's sex life....



Untrue.

WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more.

Now, they only make it to the top ten half the time, even without major competition, they're being beaten by Nickelodeon shows (this will be important later), and they top at about five million. That's the top. So they've lost over 3 million on average. When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos.

So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense.

WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers, they aren't significantly picking up the children. Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone.



Allow me to translate.

"Always" is Noid-speak for "anything short of nothing."

Replace Noid-speak with smark-speak if you like. Same diff. Noid's just a particularly rabid one.

Still, Cena has had amazingly long title reigns and held the belt a Hell of a lot. Hyperbole aside, there is a valid point there.



Really? Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary. He's selling more merch, the only true part of the statement, attendances are down in both seats sold and buys. Gates are up because they increased ticket prices. Even WWE's financial reports admit this.



Ticket sales and PPV buys also=money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

Shut up noid.

Wait a second, Kane Knight posted all this crap I'm never going to read?

Shut up Knoid Knight.

[Kane Knight]

That's unfair. I don't compare you to Destor every time you lie about your sense of self-importance.

[Kalyx triaD]

VERMAATICS abound.

[GD]

I saw Cena vs. HBM from Raw and it was disappointing. Shawn can pull off a 5 star match wrestling Hornswoggle but it seems impossible with Cena.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hornswoggle? Really?

[FourFifty]

I have no idea who Darc is but I love his avatar.

[Darc]

Actually, Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary.

It was not Edge that spiked those ratings. It was the manor in which he won the title. A promise of "Live Sex" also didn't do any harm either.

Cena's selling more merch, yes, but attendances are down in both seats sold and buys.

Which has been happening consistently since 2001.

Even WWE's financial reports admit this. Ticket sales and PPV buys also = money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

I don't really see your point here. What has any of that got to do with John Cena or even any wrestler.

He was booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children.

WWE turned PG officially a few months back, but it is very noticeable that the product has been PG for a long time. The 18-34 demo is no longer the importance, because as i said, they are no longer seen as "loyal".

Untrue.

WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more.

As i said, they have been consistently dropping since around 2001/2. You really proved that yourself there. They are currently getting around 3.5, compared to 4.0s, compared to the 6.0s. A consistent decline since before John Cena even made his debut.

When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos

You'll find it started to happen once the novelty of the draft wore-off. That being around mid-2002 when Cena was about to debut. It has been consistently falling since.

So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense.

In what way are they effecting the business in a negative sense? They are buying the product, they are watching the show, and they are becoming loyal viewers. If i was running a wrestling TV show, or any TV show for that matter, i'd give my left nut for that.

WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers

Did they lose them or did they go away on their own accord? The latter is the most likely, considering the product never changed much when the figures started falling.

they aren't significantly picking up the children.

Gates say different.

Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone.

Exactly. You get it. The boom period is gone. Ratings have been falling for a while now, because the audience moved on. That is no fault of WWE's or John Cena's or any of the wrestlers, it is the choice of the audience. Just like how interest in Sci-Fi movies spiked during the original Star Wars films, they fell right back down, and with wrestling the same has happened. You cannot pretend as if the Attitude Era was how the ratings should always be, because it was just a fad. As the ratings coming out of the "Rock N Wrestling" era will tell you, this decline has been happening for a while and would be happening no matter what direction WWE is in.

[KYR]

...and now there is nothing left to do but sit back and wait.

[Kalyx triaD]

I stopped watching WWE cause it sucked, not me. I have little more but time on my hands and I still won't sit through any RAW/SD!/WWECW. I honest to God choose sleep at times. When I wasn't fucking tired!

[Juan]

How do you know it sucks if you don't even watch?

[Juan]

OR does it suck just because it's not the Attitude era anymore and Austin and Rock are gone?

[Juan]

OR does it suck because you read what's going on and are just not that interested?

[KYR]

OR does it suck just because it's not the Attitude era anymore and Austin and Rock are gone?

:'(

Did you have to?

[Juan]

I'm just wondering, because I know the product isn't what it once was, but I souldn't say it "sucks"

John Cena does suck though :D

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm just wondering, because I know the product isn't what it once was, but I souldn't say it "sucks"

John Cena does suck though :D

It sucks. It has shit to do with the end of the Attitude Era. I was a loyal viewer well after those years.

I totally covered this very subject some time ago. But to summarize:

I try to watch WWE now and the fact of the matter is I have to try to watch. That right there is a red flag. Shit like iCarly and VH1 make me facepalm but that's expected, when WWE programming makes me do it on a consistent basis that's a red flag. But really, they've literally tried their hardest to get rid of me. I'll give Vince the ECW screwjob, that was a good move against me. He hit it where it hurt. And the Nickelodeonation of Cena was another good move, take a guy I might have liked as much as The Rock and Austin and destroy him so my fucking nephew can like him instead. Good job, except my nephew only watched when I did. And when I stopped, guess-fucking-what Vince.

But whatever. It's as easy as not tuning in, which I have done. I just wanna say that it wasn't because I lost interest... they lost focus.

[Strawman]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

[FourFifty]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

Who are you and why should anyone care who you are?
Please answer the second question first.

[Darc]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

Shut up taker707

[Fox]

If Vince truly is going back to the 80's plan and creating a new generation of WWE fans, then around 2015 he will go back to the violence, sex, blood and insanity of the old days, and like Hogan in the nWo before him, a heel John Cena will be the one to lead us into the next wrestling boom. He is the chosen one.

[Nark Order]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

lol. I got the joke.

Fourfifty, come on now. Think, you moron face. This is the legendary strawman here.

[Haze]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

Clever.;)

[GD]

I wouldn't hate Cena if he would use his Wrestlemania 24 enterance music everytime.

[Zen v.W.o.]

because he sucks.

[Lux]

Has anyone seen KK? He hasn't been returning my calls.

Bound to happen soon rather then later.