The Wrestling War-Room

[Fox]

Damn. You can see how bruised their chests are in some of the close ups. Just brutal.

[Jeritron]

6:00 was interesting

[Juan]

HOLY SHIT at that sleeper suplex!

[Fox]

Nasty finish. Great pick, red.

[Juan]

Sweet match :y:

[Jeritron]

Great finish

[redoneja]

Nasty finish. Great pick, red.


Thanks man. Notice the stiffness in the last spot (Rolling chops in the Lariat)?

[Juan]

I got so caught up in it, I totally forgot to think about my pick. Give me a min!

[Jeritron]

I need to watch more Kobashi. I've only watched a small amount of his matches. Including the one with Samoa Joe

[Jeritron]

No rush Juan

[Fox]

Yeah those spinning chops were fucking brutal. Triple H would cry like a bitch if he got hit with one of those.

[redoneja]

I need to watch more Kobashi. I've only watched a small amount of his matches. Including the one with Samoa Joe


He's got some great matches from his early career against Dr Death Steve Williams. Now, this was before Kobashi was as high up in the card as he was in against Sasaki. He was also (obviously) younger and more mobile at the time, so his style is a bit different, but still excellent.

[Jeritron]

I'd still love to see cross promotion where Vince let a top WWE guy go have a match there

[Juan]

Ok, there's no way I can top that last match, but here's my pick...

Stone Cold Steve Austin & Triple H vs. Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho

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[Jeritron]

Starting now. One of my favorite TV matches ever.

[Jeritron]

Loved the Two Man Power Trip

[Juan]

Loved the Two Man Power Trip

Same here.

Also, Heyman on commentary was GOLD

[Juan]

lol thumb in the eye

[Jeritron]

Interesting tidbit: If HHH never tore his quad here, the Invasion likely would have been started much later and probably unfolded way differently.
I have read that the injury of HHH and The Rock leaving to make a movie prompted WWF to pull the trigger on the WCW storyline, which was going to be more steadily built with more involved.

[Juan]

Interesting tidbit: If HHH never tore his quad here, the Invasion likely would have been started much later and probably unfolded way differently.
I have read that the injury of HHH and The Rock leaving to make a movie prompted WWF to pull the trigger on the WCW storyline, which was going to be more steadily built with more involved.

And undoubtedly, the world of professional wrestling would be a much better place right now.

[Juan]

On a side note, THAT'S the Stephanie McMahon I would like to fuck.

[Juan]

I dunno about that hairdo though, Steph.

[Juan]

ROFL Earl Hebner slipped

[Jeritron]

Also, if this injury never occured things would have been very different with the Wrestlemania 18 main event and HHH's career.
He probably would have continued on in his heel capacity of 2001, rather than the superman face version of him in 2002, and then his power. Word was always that the injury gave him more clout in the long run.

[Jeritron]

lol Hebner. Stephanie looked great around that time. Also, in that video I posted earlier of the 10 man tag.

[Jeritron]

lol Hebner keeps getting owned

[Juan]

Fuck H must've been in some real pain during that Walls of Jericho

[Jeritron]

Jericho vs Austin. The greatest fued that never happened. They had a fued and a few matches, but it was cut short by the Invasion. If not for that, it probably would have continued and maybe led to him putting Jericho over. That fuckin Invasion

[Juan]

Love that match

[Jeritron]

Such a wonderfully put together finish. Props to HHH for being able to do his part in it too

[Jeritron]

Anyone up for a turn? If not I'll go, if anyone wants to stick around and watch another

[Juan]

I'm in Jerry

[Jeritron]

Okay gimme a sec

[Juan]

Take your time, I'm gonna go have a smoke

[Jeritron]

I was having trouble finding a few obscure Raw main events I was looking for, so I went with this for now.

Breakdown 1998: Cage Match for the #1 Contendership
The Rock vs Mankind vs Ken Shamrock

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[Jeritron]

I'm holding off for now. Lemme know when you're ready to start

[Juan]

Ready Freddy

[Jeritron]

ok go

[Jeritron]

lol at Shamrock's promo

[Juan]

lol gotta love that rock promo

[Jeritron]

I love Foley's here

[Juan]

lol Mankind

[Juan]

woo! Sacramento!

[Jeritron]

rofl "sell that abortion"

[Jeritron]

This is pretty much Shamrock's last hoorah

[Jeritron]

Shamrock is the face going into this, and The Rock is the heel. Pay attention to the crowd

[Juan]

lol @ Lawler's Canada comment

[Jeritron]

The Rock's music here is just plain classic

[Jeritron]

A triple threat cage match is a very strange and interesting match to attempt to pull off.

[Jeritron]

The Rock later used that "you and me team up on him"-then attack his "ally" from behind spot in the Wrestlemania 2000 main event.
I love things like that

[Splaya]

Jeriton, this was a great idea man

[Juan]

Always loved that float-over DDT Rock used to use

[Nark Order]

LOL @ sugar in your testes.

The Rock had so many different ways to reference genitalia. I could only hope to aspire to such phallic greatness.

[Juan]

Double People's Elbow!

[Juan]

lol Shamrock Sucks chant

[Jeritron]

Crowd began to mark hard for The Rock here.

Lol at Shamrock sucks chants and HUGE Rock popularity. It makes me lol that Shamrock was supposed to be the face here.

[Jeritron]

Classic Foley

[Juan]

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY

[Jeritron]

HE'S BROKEN IN HALF!

[Jeritron]

You gotta love the Monica Lewinsky and Mark McGwire references

[Jeritron]

Mankind thought he won rofl heartbreaking

[Juan]

Great match :y:

[Jeritron]

Who wants a turn?

[thedamndest]

I always thought Shamrock looked a little gay.

[Juan]

I'll go

[thedamndest]

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[Jeritron]

Thed's, then Juan

[thedamndest]

Kamala and Kamala II vs. Volkoff and Cousin Luke

[Jeritron]

rofl wtf

[Jeritron]

This ring announcer is classic. So is that Michael Myers mask

[thedamndest]

Nikolai is possibly the face since he is now an American?

[Jeritron]

I guess he couldn't find an American coat though?

[Jeritron]

This reminds me of the mass transit incident

[thedamndest]

Jesus. Backed up in the corner surrounded in Kamalas like that.

[Jeritron]

lolll I thought for sure those ropes were going to snap when Kamala went into them

[Juan]

Holy crap, I never knew there were 2 Kamala's!

[Jeritron]

sloppy

[thedamndest]

Uganda and Botswana unite!

[Jeritron]

I'm predicting Jenny Craig does a run in

[thedamndest]

Oh shit. Luke knocked down a Kamala and the ring didn't collapse.

[Jeritron]

Thanks for pulling up Kamalas skirt, Cousin Luke

[thedamndest]

I think I found the next Better Tag Team competitors.

[thedamndest]

I have to ask you: did you find it a tad bit unnecessary to see the crack in the Kamala's bottom?

[Jeritron]

That ring is a great worker. Also, yes Thed i found it to be way over the line

[Juan]

WCW Starrcade 1996
Championship unification match for the J-Crown & the WCW Cruiserweight Championship
Ultimo Dragon vs. Dean Malenko

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[Juan]

Tell Me When To Go

[Jeritron]

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn263/makter718/logo1.gif

That should be photoshopped onto a picture of Cousin Luke pulling up Kamalas garment

[Jeritron]

Go.

[Jeritron]

Oh no, Dusty Rhodes on commentary lol

[Jeritron]

eyes of ice

[Juan]

I must admit, I've never seen any of Ultimo's Japan work, but I LOVED him in WCW.

[thedamndest]

I have been saying for years that there should be two Kamalas, and it turns out there were. Regular Kamala and Kamala Plus.

[Jeritron]

By the way, anyone who wants the next turn can volunteer any time. Just call it via post and it's all yours

[Jeritron]

Man, Ultimo is great

[Juan]

lol Sonny Ono

[thedamndest]

Is WCW winning the ratings war at this point?

[Juan]

I believe so. It's pre-Attitude era

[Jeritron]

I believe it's pretty close at this point. I think the last time WWE won was around this point, until 98.

[Juan]

lol @ Bobby Heenan

[thedamndest]

A good point about time limits and Malenko v. Regal.

[Jeritron]

This was right before the Jericho/Malenko fued too I think

[Jeritron]

rofl at heenan. The two count "It's always that close"

[Jeritron]

I love Tenay's factoids. The asai moonsault being named after Ultimo's last name was somethign I knew, but forgot.

[thedamndest]

IRS had a great abdominal stretch/use the ropes.

[Juan]

Fuckin love this match

[Juan]

Best submission move ever.

[Jeritron]

Such an amazing match. Fantastic finish as well

[Juan]

5 star match in my book.

[Jeritron]

So who's up next? I'll go, but I'd like to give someone who hasn't gone yet a chance to step up

[thedamndest]

Go for it.

[Juan]

Go for it.

[Jeritron]

I'm gonna give it a minute to see if someone who hasn't gone wants it.

[Jeritron]

Literally one minute. So speak now or hold your peace til the next round

[Jeritron]

Okay... I'm going. Let me know when you start.
As a follow up to Malenko and WCW, I pick this match

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[Juan]

Staaaarting....... NOW!

[Jeritron]

I recall this match being amazing. Haven't seen it in a while. I think it's pretty similar in style and quality to the classic "Smackdown Six" matches

[Juan]

lol forgot all about 10-10-220

[Juan]

This should be good, I don't think I've ever seen it

[thedamndest]

Ah, South Park signs.

[Juan]

awesome dropkick/german suplex combo

[Juan]

VINTAGE BENOIT

[Jeritron]

Always loved the camerawork from the corner that only WCW did

[thedamndest]

Did Raven get hurt early on? He's been standing around for awhile.

[Juan]

SICK EVENFLOW!

[Jeritron]

I think that was a different match from the one I thought it was, but still a good match.

[Juan]

We up for another one fellas?

[thedamndest]

Who was that masked man anyway?

[Jeritron]

Kidman and Rey were a great team. One of my biggest regrets of the Invasion era was that they weren't brought in at the same time and pushed as a tag team.
They would have had some great matches, and one of the things I wanted most was for them to be thrown in the mix with The Hardys and the ladder match tag team matches

[Juan]

Kidman and Rey were a great team. One of my biggest regrets of the Invasion era was that they weren't brought in at the same time and pushed as a tag team.
They would have had some great matches, and one of the things I wanted most was for them to be thrown in the mix with The Hardys and the ladder match tag team matches

That would've been epic

[Jeritron]

Whose turn?

[thedamndest]

Was Rey a hold out?

[Juan]

I got one ready if no one wants to go

[Jeritron]

No, they signed him during the Invasion actually (I'm pretty sure). They just didn't debut him until after it was over. Strange.

[thedamndest]

You go, Juan.

[Juan]

Dammit! Embedding disabled by request

[Juan]

Gimme a min, gotta find a new one

[Juan]

WWF SummerSlam 2001
Ladder Match
WWF Hardcore Championship
Rob Van Dam (c) vs. Jeff Hardy

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[Juan]

Ready when you are.

[Jeritron]

Awesome. This match was when Jeff Hardy was new to singles wrestling, and many considered him shaky at best. But, he had great chemisty with RVD and they had a ton of good matches including this one.
I recall liking it a lot, but I haven't seen it in a while.

[Jeritron]

I just started it like 2 seconds ago

[Juan]

I couldn't find the one I really wanted to watch, so I went with the Ladder Match

[Jeritron]

Their match at Invasion was a showstealer

[Juan]

That old theme fit Jeff way better imo

[Jeritron]

Two of the most genuinely liked guys in WWE history. They never won the crowd with the mic, people just loved watching them wrestle and found them exciting characters. I love that

[Juan]

Their match at Invasion was a showstealer

Yes it was, I still pop in the DVD every now and then to watch that match.

[Jeritron]

I wish RVD was around so these two could have a re-match of this for the WWE title

[Jeritron]

Some great ladder spots in this.

[Juan]

I wish RVD was around so these two could have a re-match of this for the WWE title

The thought of that is making my pants tighter :x

[Juan]

So many cool spots

[Jeritron]

That rolling thunder across the ring was great

[Juan]

Rolling Thunder on the ladder!

[Jeritron]

Too bad they didn't bring ECW back the way they should have. Jeff would have fit in great

[Jeritron]

It's hard to believe they're just now getting to the propped up ladder. They got a lot out of the folded ladder

[Jeritron]

So I've heard RVD talk about the hardcore title and these matches. He says that it was his favorite stuff of his in WWE, and he wanted to stay in the hardcore title division and elevate that title as a legitimate midcard title. With guys like him, Jeff Hardy, Raven and others contending.
He felt it could be a legitimate division on par with the IC title, but consisting only of no dq or extreme gimmick matches.
It'd basically serve as the continuation of ECW, only as a division within WWF rather than a whole promotion.

I really wish he got his way.

[thedamndest]

Could have broken Jeff's legs with that fall.

[Jeritron]

Oh man, that swinging rope spot was a damn good try. That would have been epic.

[Jeritron]

The Wild E Coyote cam

[thedamndest]

On the one hand it would have been good, but on the other hand it would have been good for only so long.

[Jeritron]

Well they could have gotten at least a year or two out of it, which would have been better than nothing considering all of the talent they had that could have been used or even elevated by it.

[Jeritron]

I have a pick. Anyone up for it, or was someone else looking to go?

[thedamndest]

I think one of the best Hardcore Title runs was Taker's and he didn't even do that much "hardcore" stuff.

[thedamndest]

I have a pick but it's kind of long.

[Jeritron]

How long?

[thedamndest]

4 parts, but only the last minute or so of the first part is the match.

[thedamndest]

It does feature the Man in Pink.

[thedamndest]

Actually that is too long. I no longer want to watch it.

[Jeritron]

Want to pick something else, or shall I go?

[thedamndest]

ECW Heatwave 98, Hayabusa/Shinzaki v. RVD/Sabu. Plus we just saw RVD so no deal.

[thedamndest]

You go ahead. I will reconsider.

[Juan]

Figure it out you douchebags

[Jeritron]

Same event as Juan's pick. This is a medium length match, but a great one. It's an opener, and pretty much a perfect one at that.
Edge vs Lance Storm - IC Title - Summerslam 2001

Say when you're ready.

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[Juan]

Nice

[Jeritron]

Starting now

[Juan]

If I can be serious for a minute...

[thedamndest]

lol. "Splendid."

[Juan]

I always hated when they would show all the WWE guys in one locker room.

[Jeritron]

Yea, it was retarded. They should have been a reluctant team, not the fuckin mighty ducks.
One of the many bad things.

This event is one of the highpoints of the invasion though. Just from start to finish, the standalone event (ignoring the storylines and angles), is great. Some awesome matches.

[thedamndest]

Compare Edge today to his first day on the job. They didn't know what the fuck they were doing. The random yelling. The running. The smiling. He's lucky it was a boom period or he was future endeavors-guaranteed. Plus he almost killed a guy.

[Jeritron]

He had "it" though. I liked Edge from day one. I remember thinking he was great as far back as when he was Sable's mystery partner against Marc Mero and Jackie. From the get go the crowd seemed to care about him, and I remember wanting him to go far right out of the gates.

They definitely didn't know what the fuck they were doing for a long time though. The boom period helped too, but I think he had a natural connection with the fans. Thankfull The Brood kept him and Christian employed until the ladder match got them way over, and from then on in it was down to business.
Remember the shirts? "Everybody's Got A Little Edge In Them"

[Jeritron]

Storm is so good

[Juan]

Fun match :y:

[thedamndest]

Yeah, he lucked out hooking up with the Brood. Him and Christian both. Christian even survived a puffy shirt. I guess it was outweighed by coming through fire and giving blood baths.

[Jeritron]

Pretty much exactly what you want out of an opener. Short, sweet, exciting and gets the crowd warmed up. Edge picking up the IC title is a plus too.

P.S.
Remember when Edge won the IC title for 24 hours in 1999, at a house show? That was random.

[Jeritron]

Theddy, pick something. I think I can do another round or so before bedtime for bonzo

[thedamndest]

Will do.

[thedamndest]

Have never seen this. But I like Hakushi.

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[Juan]

I wish Kensuke Shinzaki would've been around (in the WWE) longer

[thedamndest]

I wonder why they didn't change Kid's name/theme after he sold out.

[Jeritron]

That would be Dibiase's decision, since he owned him and his soul. He must have liked the music.

[thedamndest]

I was THERE for the team of Shinzaki/Hayabusa v. Sabu/RVD featuring the Man in Pink in ECW. So was WWKD.

[Juan]

You are one lucky son of a bitch, thed.

[Jeritron]

Hakushi should have been the manager of the tag team of Haku and Rikishi. His name is basically to them as Brangelina is to Pitt and Jolie

[Juan]

lol

[thedamndest]

I remember Hart/Hakushi from IYH 1 being pretty good.

[Jeritron]

Which Hart?

[Juan]

Nice match

[thedamndest]

Bret Hart.

[Jeritron]

Another pick Juan?

[thedamndest]

Did Hakushi/Shinzaki ever face Malenko or Benoit in Japan?

[Juan]

I'm down if you guys are.

[thedamndest]

Sure.

[Jeritron]

I am

[thedamndest]

Extra points if it features the Man in Pink.

[thedamndest]

Or Faith No More Guy. But he's harder to spot.

[Juan]

No pink guy :-\

WWF Smackdown 4/12/2001
Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho vs Edge, Christian, Kurt Angle and William Regal

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[Jeritron]

Starting up now. A ring full of great wrestlers

[Juan]

Tazz sounds different

[Juan]

Picked a short one cuz I'm a little tired. Almost ready for bed.

[thedamndest]

Benoit is huge in this compared to the WCW match we watched.

[Jeritron]

Yea me too. No worries, we'll revisit this

[Juan]

Wow, 12 pages. We'll probably have a hundred by the weekend lol.

Goodnight fellas :y:

[Jeritron]

Nice little match

[thedamndest]

Regal's face at the end. Good stuff.

[Jeritron]

One more each Thed?

[Jeritron]

Peacin out for now. Feel free to keep this thing going anyone

[Chuck Jones]

Next match.

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Anyone wanna watch?

[Juan]

I'm in

[Juan]

Starting it now

[Chuck Jones]

I think its amazing that the only two in this match left in the company are Tommy Dreamer and Matt Striker.

[Chuck Jones]

I think Monty Brown could have been huge in the WWE had they not saddled him with the ridiculous name

[Juan]

One of the best matches of the early ECW (on Sci Fi)

[Juan]

Ariel :love:

[Juan]

Elijah Express!

[Chuck Jones]

This was the match that SHOULD have happened at Wrestlemania 23. Everyone looked good and some stuff in. Crowd appeared hot for it. And the Elijah Express finish was one of my favorites.

[Juan]

WWF Raw April 24, 2000
The Rock & Chris Jericho vs Triple H & Chris Benoit

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[Juan]

You in, Chuck?

[Chuck Jones]

Sorry bro, gotta head to class. I'll come in later.

[Juan]

No worries.

[Juan]

I'll just watch this for now...

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[XL]

I got a suggestion if that's cool?

[Juan]

It's not cool XL :mad:

Nah, it is cool, but I got a match waiting to be watched up there ^^

[Juan]

Me first, then you, deal?

[Juan]

You in?

[XL]

Yeah, the TV is rubbich for the next half hour. Might as well pass some time here.

[Juan]

Ok, starting it now

[Juan]

That's crap! H wasn't even the legal man :roll:

[Juan]

Your turn XL

[XL]

Thoughts on Rock/Y2J v HHH/Benoit

- I loved those Judgment Day/Taker return promos.

- Jesus, Lillian sounded awful back then.

- You can't got wrong pairing Jericho v Benoit/Rock v HHH, both of them 2 of the hottest ongoing fueds of all time.

- Overall a good little pre-PPV tag match.

[XL]

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[Juan]

Just started. This should be good, I haven't seen this match since the actual PPV

[XL]

This remains one of my favourite matches of all time.

They seemed to take a WWE Hardcore Title match beyond what we'd come to expect from a HT match (run-ins, same-old weapon spots). They could have made something out of Raven and Rhyno off the back of this IMO.

[Juan]

I really wish Rhino would've stayed in the E :-\

[Juan]

Great hardcore match :y:

[XL]

I've already got my next suggestion picked out. Unless you want your go!?

[Juan]

No go ahead XL

[XL]

We're going back one year from the last one. Another "forgotten" classic.

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[Juan]

K, starting now

[Juan]

I miss Dean Malenko :(

[XL]

It's a quality little match. Sick finish too.

[Jeritron]

Man, I wish I wasn't only on the comp for a few minutes or I'd get in on this session. Looks like some awesome matches