UFC 94

[KillerWolf]

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/gsp.jpg George St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/bj_penn.jpg @170 lbs.
champion vs. champion - Welterweight Champion, George "Rush" St. Pierre defends his title against Lightweight Champion, B.J. "The Prodogy" Penn. both have near superhuman abilities. GSP has freakish athletisism and The Prodogy has absurd flexibility. GSP has overwhelmed his last three opponents. if anybody can keep from being overwhelmed, it's Penn. i'm gonna pick GSP in this fight that could go either way.


http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/thiago_silva.jpg Thiago Silva vs. Lyoto Machida http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/lyoto_machida.jpg @205 lbs.

this, i am looking forward to every bit as much as GSP-Penn 2. IMO the winner of this fight should be No 1 contender for the Light-Heavyweight Title, or at least be next in line after "Rampage". and both men have perfect 13-0 records. Thiago Silva is a seriously though dude with possibly the best ground control / ground and pound i've seen. i do think skilled strikers present a bit of a problem for him though (if they're able to keep it standing). Machida is a skilled stiker, and no slouch on the ground either. plus he is has outstanding takedown defense and an elusive style that frustrates people. no one has been able to figure out how to beat him yet. Lyoto Machida holds a victory over Rich Franklin. i'm gonna pick Lyoto Machida in this fight, probably by decision - but he definitely does not want to end up on the ground in any kind of bottom position against Silva.


http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/jon_jones.jpg Jon Jones vs. Stephan Bonnar http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/stephan_bonnar.jpg @205lbs.

i honestly dont know who this kid is. i honestly dont know what Stephan Bonnar has been up to for the last couple of years or so. and i honestly dont know how the UFC decides which fights get on the main card and which fights go on the undercard.


http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/nate_diaz.jpg Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/clay_guida.jpg @155 lbs.

Nate Diaz has awesome Gracie JiuJitsu, is pretty well rounded in all aspects of fighting and is very resiliant. Clay "The Carpenter" Guida is an excellent wrestler, a good striker, and a relentless pit-bull with endless cardio. while i think there is a decent chance that Diaz will catch Guida in a choke or an armbar, i think that per se there is an even better chance that Guida physically overwhelms Diaz. so im gonna pick Clay Guida in this fight, probably by decision, but possibly TKO. btw, one of Clay Guida's two losses was a decision to Tyson Griffin in a fight that Guida clearly won IMO.


http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/dong-hyun_kim.jpg Dong Hyun Kim vs. Karo Parisyan http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/karo_parisyan.jpg @170 lbs.

i dont know anything about Dong Hyun Kim. Karo Parisyan is probably still the best Judo practitioner in the UFC. his stand-up is good but not great. he's solid. i dont know enough about Kim to make a prediction on the match.



http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/jon_fitch.jpg Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/akihiro_gono.jpg @ 170 lbs.

i honestly dont know anything about Gono, but Fitch's last fight was against dominant Welterweight Champion George St. Pierre. that fight went the distance if memory serves. and now they got Jon Fitch on the undercard. go figure. i'll go ahead and assume Fitch will handle Gono, though i admit that i know nothing of Gono.


http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/manny_gamburyan.jpg Manny Gamburyan vs. Thiago Tavares http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/thiago_tavares.jpg @ 155 lbs.

these guys are both solid. i dont know why this isnt on the main card (other than i guess Manvil did kinda get himself knocked out by Rob Emerson). i'll be dissapointed if it isnt televised. can't call it. btw, one of Thiago Tavares's losses was a decesion to Tyson Griffin in a fight that Tavares clearly won IMO.

[Fabien Barthez]

Bonnar failed a drug test after his Griffin rematch and was suspended for 9 months. He fought Mike Nickels from TUF season........... 2 or 3 and schooled him in BJJ for a few minutes before choking him out. This was last summer i think. then he fought Eric Schafer about a year ago. kicked his ass in the second round. I think he then hurt his knee before his next fight and has been out since

Interestingly about Bonnar, he has only lost to Lyoto Machida, who is still undefeated, Forrest Griffin and rashad Evans. The former and current UFC LHW champs. Mind, his biggest win was probably against Keith Jardine so he is very much on the edge of condendership I think.

I don't know anything about Jon Jones either, but his sherdog stats tell me he has had 6 fights between April and August last year and won them all. He is 6'4'', 21 years old and if UFC brought him in after only 5 fights, 3 months after his debut, you have to suspect he isn't going to be too bad.

[Impact!]

Jon Jones is rumoured to be pretty good down the line, but he will probably just be fodder for a Stephan Bonnar return. (Depending of course on how good Bonnar is on return)

I seriously hope GSP beats Penn, could not stand Penn being a double champion...

Also I really want Thiago Silva to go over Lyoto Machida, but I really can't see it happening...someone who holds victories over BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonnar and Tito Ortiz has to be doing something right

Also I'm still confused as to why Gono V Fitch is on the undercard...unbelievable

[Penner]

I really want Penn to win. Like GSP is the man and all but I would really like to see Penn take it.

Nonetheless should be an effing sick event I can't wait.

[Penner]

Plus Machida is the man I want to see him win too.

[Savio]

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/jon_jones.jpg Jon Jones vs. Stephan Bonnar http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/stephan_bonnar.jpg @205lbs.

i honestly dont know who this kid is. i honestly dont know what Stephan Bonnar has been up to for the last couple of years or so. and i honestly dont know how the UFC decides which fights get on the main card and which fights go on the undercard.YA yo I have been waiting for Jones televised Debut for mad long. He went to my college and I knew him through his roomate.

His wrestling skills are great which allowed him to win against Gusuamo. He was a bit sloppy in that fight though so hoefully he has improved since then.

The fight:
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Jon_Jones_vs__Andre_Gusmao_UFC_87?vid=10001039&tid=100

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Interestingly about Bonnar, he has only lost to Lyoto Machida, who is still undefeated, Forrest Griffin and rashad Evans. The former and current UFC LHW champs. Mind, his biggest win was probably against Keith Jardine so he is very much on the edge of condendership I think.




The Jardine win was questionable... the entire crowd booed the call, and Jardine was really taking it to him. Wins a win I guess, and it was a good fight, Bonnar got a couple knockdowns, and he can hang with some of the big boys, but I don't personally think he's good enough to be a contender ever. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, he's a real good fighter, he just has too many cracks in his game.

GSP vs. BJ Penn is going to be sick. I think GSP takes it. I don't know how, I don't know where, but I gotta go with my man. Bigger, stronger, more athletic, but BJ is BJ so I'm not counting him out. But GSP should take it for sure.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And I'm going to go with Lyoto over Silva. Lyoto knows how to frustrate the fuck out of everyone he fights, and I don't think Thiago Silva will be any different.

[Reavant]

The Jardine win was questionable... the entire crowd booed the call, and Jardine was really taking it to him. Wins a win I guess, and it was a good fight, Bonnar got a couple knockdowns, and he can hang with some of the big boys, but I don't personally think he's good enough to be a contender ever. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, he's a real good fighter, he just has too many cracks in his game.



Ok but look at how hes lost to the best of the best. You dont get more questionable than his first fight with griffin, not that it was a bad decision, but you cant label a draw in a tournament. Plus with a guy that can hang in there with anyone the entire fight all while being very aggressive is always on the verge of winning a big fight into contention.

He is capable with his back round to fight just like machida, and the only reason he lost was because of a freak cut.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Ok but look at how hes lost to the best of the best. You dont get more questionable than his first fight with griffin, not that it was a bad decision, but you cant label a draw in a tournament. Plus with a guy that can hang in there with anyone the entire fight all while being very aggressive is always on the verge of winning a big fight into contention.

He is capable with his back round to fight just like machida, and the only reason he lost was because of a freak cut.

Yeah you make a good point. He's super well rounded... and very very durable... But I think he has the Chris Lytle syndrom, in that he won't be able to win the big one. He's an animal though, he COULD feasibly step it up a couple of notches and start beating the best of the best.

What suggested to me that perhaps he just doesn't have "it" was the loss to Evans. Rashad took him down at will essentially, and for a guy to be at the top, his take down defense needs to be far better than what he showed against Rashad. Well either that or his jits needs to nullify a strong wreslter's ground control which it didn't, Rashad controlled the fight.

Though on the whole, he has the tools to be a top guy. Guys have stepped it up before, and someone with the skills of Bonnar could be able to. I just personally don't see it happening in a VERY stacked lhw division.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And as far as comparing him to Griffin (which granted you didn't outrightly do) I'll look at both of them in their respective Evan's fights.

Personally, I think what fucked over Griffin was he got a little too comfortable striking with Rashad, and Rashad caught a legkick which he was waiting to do the whole fight, and CRACKED him. Up until that point Forrest was taking it to Rashad. What cost Forrest that fight was his somewhat suspect chin. He was pretty much out of it as soon as he hit the ground and god knows how he survived that first gnp onslaught from Evans.

Whereas Bonnar fought a less explosive and more tentative Evans IMO. He probably also has a better chin than Forrest. Evans outclassed Bonnar with his wrestling the entire fight. He really did nothing the whole fight. I mean it was a long time ago, but I remember watching it almost feeling bad for him because everything he did was nullified.

Maybe it's a matter of game plan with Bonnar... once he starts to employ better gameplans he'll start wining the big fights? :?:

-EDIT- So I guess the difference is no matter what with Bonnar is I always feel he'll lose against the top guys no matter how game he is... whereas someone like Griffin or Jardine has the ability to beat the top guys (as well as get brutally knocked the fuck out) on any given day.

[Reavant]

it was more a change in the style of evans. evans is a very explosive fighter, but in his earlier fights he won most of his fights against better guys via lay and pray decisions. His fight with bisbing was one of the most boring fights ever because he took him down and laid on him. just to name an example. same with bonnar. He would have been stupid to stand with them back then.

He has since evolved into this good stand up fighter and now you see knockouts like the one against chuck and he has an active grownd game which is why you didnt see him lay on forrest.

A lot of that is attributed to grg jackson as well.

A superior wrestler with a good chin and defense can win almost any fight hes in because of the fact that he can take someone down and control them on the ground. This is a very unpopular way to fight and is the reason why rashad took so long to jump up in the rankings.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

it was more a change in the style of evans. evans is a very explosive fighter, but in his earlier fights he won most of his fights against better guys via lay and pray decisions. His fight with bisbing was one of the most boring fights ever because he took him down and laid on him. just to name an example. same with bonnar. He would have been stupid to stand with them back then.

He has since evolved into this good stand up fighter and now you see knockouts like the one against chuck and he has an active grownd game which is why you didnt see him lay on forrest.

A lot of that is attributed to grg jackson as well.

A superior wrestler with a good chin and defense can win almost any fight hes in because of the fact that he can take someone down and control them on the ground. This is a very unpopular way to fight and is the reason why rashad took so long to jump up in the rankings.


Yeah that's true. He was fucking boring as shit to watch, though he had some sweet takedowns in his earlier fights. Fuck that fight with Sam Hogar was hard to watch. He almost lost to him!

To be honest I think his striking was always there, I just don't think he wanted to use it because he was too tentative.

I'll also never understand his fight with Ortiz, all he needed to do was use his explosiveness and he could beaten Tito but instead... well we got a pretty poor performance from him. Though I did love it when he took Tito down near the end.

The Jackson camp seems to be working for a lot of guys... I think he instills the confidence in them to go out and fight as opposed to go out and outpoint.

[Reavant]

well he is very good at developing gameplans that work for his fighters.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So is Extreme Couture a lot of the time.

[Fabien Barthez]

To be honest I think his striking was always there, I just don't think he wanted to use it because he was too tentative.



Rashad and his team, until about 18 months ago would disagree.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Rashad and his team, until about 18 months ago would disagree.

You don't all of a sudden develop a striking game in 18 months. There would have had to be some base skills there. When he was on TUF there were a few fights where he actually used his striking to win. He also ktfoed Sean Salmon with a headkick. (Mind you it's Sean Salmon but you get my point).

He's always had striking, the Jackson Camp has refined it, and given him the confidence to use it.

[Reavant]

yes he always had the proper mechanics to throw a punch, but if you dont have the confidence to use your striking.... then you dont have striking.

And you can develop a lot in the span of 18 months! A year and a half is enough time to develop almost any skill you wish to attain.

GSP started training for wrestling and with jacksons camp after his loss with serra and then out wrestled Koz in his next fight.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I believe the raw ability has to have already been there. That's why you don't see Pete Spratt outwrestling Matt Hughes.

Rashad was a pretty good striker before, Jackson's camp lifted it up a notch.

GSP was a very good natural wrestler. He made Frank Trigg look like a retard, and was stuffing Matt Hughes takedowns and had been training with the Canadian Olympic national team for some time as far as I know. Jackson's camp lifted it up a notch.

But yes I'm wrong, you're right, all hail you good sirs. (Even though I'm pretty sure I'm not even arguing with you).

[Reavant]

Nice.....

listen, your going to get a hard time because youve said some dumb stuff before...

anyway... look at the different competitors. Some guys are just very athletically inclined. Rashad evans was not the best wrestler, but he is extremely athletic and is capable of doing a lot of diffeent things at the raw level with little training. GSP is just like that too.

Andrei came into my gym 2 years ago and had never wrestled before at all, and now he can stop shots from people who have wrestled all their life like (look these names up) john kading, sean bormet, greg wagner and steve mocco. 2 of those people are national champs and all are all americans. His takedaowns in live wrestling are taking more time, but that has more to do with his confidence in them rather than his ability. when drilling takedowns with him, I would not be able to tell you he had never wrestled before. Now he has done sambo, but you dont do wrestling takedowns in that. You mean to tell me he already had the skill set in place when he had never had formal training before?

With the pete spratt compairason, he probably doesnt have the resources to train at a place that would give him the tools to outwrestle matt huges.

GSP is one of those assholes that cand do anything physically that he wants and takes him a VERY short time within training something to master it. And thats the whole point... 18 months is a LONG time when it comes to athletes like these.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Nice.....

listen, your going to get a hard time because youve said some dumb stuff before...



I said stuff you THOUGHT was dumb because I didn't agree with you. I'll grant you have more mma knowledge than me, but it doesn't change my opinion on our arguments.

Doesn't mean we ALWAYS need to argue about everything. It's too much effort and a lot of stuff I agree with you on anyways.

As far as what you said in that post, yeah I definitely hear you. 18 months for a high level athlete is a long time. I guess what I'm getting at is if you expect Marcus Davis for instance, whose ground game has improved leaps and bounds, to be able to roll with someone like BJ Penn or GSP, it's just not going to happen and never will. He can only get to a certain level... he's going to be good and vastly improved, but BJ and GSP have been doing this shit for a long time and were already at an amazing level before Marcus Davis even knew how to do a guillotine choke.

Then again, that's also probably because they are both twice the fighter he is and are on a different level.

Also I guess Arlovski and Evans are two phenomenal athletes and better than most, hence they can pick these things up fairly fast. Sort of like Josh Koscheck. Some guys can do that, some guys can't.

[Reavant]

Also I guess Arlovski and Evans are two phenomenal athletes and better than most, hence they can pick these things up fairly fast. Sort of like Josh Koscheck. Some guys can do that, some guys can't.

I call them ass holes

[Reavant]

As far as what you said in that post, yeah I definitely hear you. 18 months for a high level athlete is a long time. I guess what I'm getting at is if you expect Marcus Davis for instance, whose ground game has improved leaps and bounds, to be able to roll with someone like BJ Penn or GSP, it's just not going to happen and never will. He can only get to a certain level... he's going to be good and vastly improved, but BJ and GSP have been doing this shit for a long time and were already at an amazing level before Marcus Davis even knew how to do a guillotine choke.


You also have to look at their economic status and their resources. A lot of these guys have jobs other than fighting or families and cant spend all their time like the BJs and GSPs just training.

BJ is a very natural athlete and picked up jujitsu naturally, but he also had nothing better to do. He was living the good life and could devote all his time to that if he wanted. Same with GSP. He started so early that he made a name for himself and now doesnt have to worry about anything.

They can now either go to where the best guys are, or have the best guys come to them. Thats something that the marcus davis' in the world cant do yet.

[Reavant]

I said stuff you THOUGHT was dumb because I didn't agree with you. I'll grant you have more mma knowledge than me, but it doesn't change my opinion on our arguments.

Doesn't mean we ALWAYS need to argue about everything. It's too much effort and a lot of stuff I agree with you on anyways.

well...



You shouldn't watch MMA if you have no respect for the combatants, I hate to call you a couch fighter, but clearly you are if you're talking this much shit. Coleman showed heart against Fedor and showed even more heart against Shogun.
I was actually referring to these statements. Theres others like it. It really makes you appear like you dont pay attention to much of what goes on around this forum because Ive seen you around here for a while and stuff like me being a fighter is fairly common knowledge, and you being ignorant to it discredits everything else you have to say because it makes you seem well... ignorant. That then causes things you put here to be criticized more than usual. Again why you havnt figured out this is why youve been getting a harder time is just further proving my point.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

well...



I was actually referring to these statements. Theres others like it. It really makes you appear like you dont pay attention to much of what goes on around this forum because Ive seen you around here for a while and stuff like me being a fighter is fairly common knowledge, and you being ignorant to it discredits everything else you have to say because it makes you seem well... ignorant. That then causes things you put here to be criticized more than usual. Again why you havnt figured out this is why youve been getting a harder time is just further proving my point.

I had NO IDEA you were a fighter, like honestly zero clue. I just started posting here again. And I kind of just do my own thing on here anyways. If I had known you were a fighter I wouldn't have said anything like that. The only reason I've been posting here again is cuz my Uni is on strike and I've had nothing to do. I don't really know too many people other than the oldbies.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And the only people giving me a hard time are you and Fabien. You I don't mind, I was kind of a dick and my apollogies, but Fabien kind of just swings off your nuts, and he's always been kind of a twat, for years.

It's really no biggie, you and I both probably have bigger fish to fry, I'd just rather love than hate. But I will take much of the blame for making some blanket statements. However, you did initially jump down my throat so I just chirped you back :p

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You also have to look at their economic status and their resources. A lot of these guys have jobs other than fighting or families and cant spend all their time like the BJs and GSPs just training.

BJ is a very natural athlete and picked up jujitsu naturally, but he also had nothing better to do. He was living the good life and could devote all his time to that if he wanted. Same with GSP. He started so early that he made a name for himself and now doesnt have to worry about anything.

They can now either go to where the best guys are, or have the best guys come to them. Thats something that the marcus davis' in the world cant do yet.

Well a couple more fight of the night bonuses and he'll be well on his way ;)

[Fabien Barthez]

but Fabien kind of just swings off your nuts.




Erm, sweeping statement? As well as not true.

I mean, ask Reav. Tell you what, I'll ask him..

Reavant, do I or have I ever acted in any way like I 'swing off your nuts'?

Why you have to apologise for being a cunt, and somehow manage to still make a post where you are insulting someone unprovoked, and even trying to defend your reasons for being a cunt.... you have risen above nothing.

Uni on strike? Try and make some real-life friends. You have been failing here.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Erm, sweeping statement? As well as not true.

I mean, ask Reav. Tell you what, I'll ask him..

Reavant, do I or have I ever acted in any way like I 'swing off your nuts'?

Why you have to apologise for being a cunt, and somehow manage to still make a post where you are insulting someone unprovoked, and even trying to defend your reasons for being a cunt.... you have risen above nothing.

Uni on strike? Try and make some real-life friends. You have been failing here.

Yep that's me, absolutely no friends at all ;)

[Savio]

Tomorrow night, Jon Jones gonna whoops some ass baby!

[Reavant]

HAHA no way

[The Show Off]

I think a lot of people are looking at Bonnar in an the complete wrong light.

While Bonnar was on drug suspension (following the 2nd Griffin fight), after he got his necessary surgeries, he started training at Extreme Couture.

Stephan Bonnar before his second fight with Forrest wasn't fighting at any one real gym so he wasn't getting the type of guidence and training at a world class athlete should be getting. Even without the world class training he was still able to hang with Rashad Evans (obviously not the Rashad Evans of today but still a good fighter) and he was able to beat Keith Jardine (not too diffrent from the Jardine of today) and go toe to toe with Forrest twice (once again not the same as today but still good). That was all with poor training.

As the saying goes iron sharpens iron and since Bonnar has trained at Extreme Couture he's destroyed Mike Nickles (not the best of fighters) and Eric Shafer (a decent fighter) arguably beating the latter while injured. We saw what great training camps have done to the likes of Forrest Griffin, Keith Jardine, and Rashad Evans..

Why can't Extreme Couture do the same for The American Psycho?

I think if Stephan Bonnar can stay away from the injury bug (which is a concern considering his recent history) I think he could make a big leap.

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm a fan but I think Bonnar has another level that we have yet to see from him, heres hoping he acends to that level.

[Savio]

HAHA no wayAvatar bet?

[RP]

The more I think about it, GSP is just too much of a machine for Penn i think. This reminds me of the time when Penn ran into Matt Hughes in his prime and got his arms pinned to the floor and owned. I know Penn was out of shape then and probably wont be now, but still. GSP looks insanely good. I hope i'm wrong and this fight is epic for 4 rounds and then someone gets finished in the 5th, but if i had to bet my life in it, i'd take GSP.

[Reavant]

hughes was in his prime when they first met and penn finished him fast. Apparently in the second fight the reason penn looked so gassed out was because a rib separated at the end of the second.

[Heros Welcome]

This card has got me very pumped. And I CAN NOT WAIT for this Main Event!

I really don't know whats gunna happen, I just hope it ends with Penn getting his hand raised in victory!

LETS GO BJ!

[SuperSlim]

I'm watching this on sopcast right now. IT's a nice stream :D

GSP! GSP! GSP!

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Channelsurfing has an incredibly good stream going at the moment too.

[RP]

FUCK THAT

Guida should not have won that fight. He basically locked his arms around Diaz and held him against the cage the whole fight. Thats a fucking joke. Plus the guy was belching in the corner like he was drunk. Diaz took him down blind like 4 times. Guida should not have gotten that win. I guess anyone can just lock his arms around a guy and hold them on the cage and get a win. Diaz was robbed.

[RP]

Karo looks done and he hasnt even got in the ring yet.

[RP]

What a snoozer

[RP]

Karo had one sick throw and thats about all that happend in the fight so yah, Karo wins i guess.

[RP]

I'm just gunna pretend that last fight never happend

[RP]

Jones got a spinning elbow but it looked like it was to the back of the head. Bonner dropped but recovered. Then he ate a knee. Somehow he's still going.

[Savio]

YEAH WHAT JON JONES!

[RP]

MACHIDA JUST SMOKED SILVA!

HOLY SHIT I'm a fan now! Unreal.

[RP]

I wanna see Machida vs Anderson Silva. The Ultimate Striker vs The Ultimate Counter Striker. That would be an amazing match.

[RP]

Some dude came out from the crowd as Penn was walking to the ring and kissed him on the cheek. Penn never flinched. He was that focused. Could be something to keep in mind here.

[RP]

GSP is not getting a single leg takedown on BJ unless BJ gasses horribly. I dont even know why he's trying.

[The Mask]

keep me updated rp plz :'(

[RP]

GSP destroyed BJ Penn. Penns brother told them to stop the fight.

[RP]

I mean, GSP is either not human, or full of steroids. I have no clue. I've never seen anything like it. You dont pass BJ Penn's guard and GSP did it about 4 times. You dont get single leg takedowns on Penn. GSP did it 3 times. It was a blowout.

GSP vs Silva needs to happen now.

[Splaya]

So unbelieveable

[RP]

BJ Penn arguably has the greatest guard of any fighter in the world. GSP passed it with no problem at all. GSP is the best wrestler in the world right now. He's the best everything tbh. I dont think Anderson Silva would stand a chance.

GSP is jacked up right now. His biceps are about 4 inches bigger then i remember. I'm wondering tbh

[SuperSlim]

Man that was complete domination by GSP there.

closest dominating fight to that I can remember is Lesnar over Herring.

Give us GSP vs. Anderson Silva

[RP]

Thiago Alves sounded like he wanted no peice of GSP after the fight btw. The look on his face was priceless.

[SuperSlim]

heh who in their right mind would want a piece of GSP after that?

[The Mask]

good stuff. was routing for gsp. wish i saw it now :'(

[RP]

And suprise. BJ gassed after the 2nd round.

[RP]

Machida knocking Silva out was fantastic even though I thought it would be the other way around. I didnt realize how great Machida is at countering. And his timing is amazing. As i was watching it, i want Silva to stop chasing him. Machida was so impressive tonight.

[Reavant]

Avatar bet?

good thing i didnt bet eh?

[Savio]

good thing i didnt bet eh?lol ya you are

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Thngs went the way I wanted them to. Penn got his fucking yap shut. Apparently now his camp sent in a formal complain about GSP greasing his back. I don't understand how a dude as tough as Penn could a) be so whiney and b) have such little heart. I always thought heart came with toughness, but apparently not.

Also, Jon Jones could end up doing very, very well.

And Machida, well... that was hella impressive.

[Blitz]

Had never seen Jon Jones before tonight, but I am a fan now.

Also honestly surprised Penn lasted as long as he did. Rush landed some bombs there.

[Impact!]

The Guida/Diaz and Kim/Karo decisions were pretty freaking close...

[Fabien Barthez]

I don't understand how a dude as tough as Penn could have such little heart. I always thought heart came with toughness, but apparently not.




Are you fucking kidding? BJ was getting the shit pounded out of his face in r4 especially, and he was still rotating, looking to defend and stay in the fight. Nobody could have showed more heart than BJ in a losing effort.

How can't you see that? He was totally dominated, and doing everything he possible could to keep the fight going. It's like saying Lyoto Machida.... Could be a good fighter, but he needs to work on some technique if he's going to get anywhere.

[Reavant]

Well at least we now know why theres weight classes

[Stickman]

Thiago Alves sounded like he wanted no peice of GSP after the fight btw. The look on his face was priceless.

I was going to say the same thing, he looked like he was being sent to the firing range.

[The Mask]

that elbow was top. shame he wasn't out from it. also thiago silva said "shitle tot" which made me laugh.

[Reavant]

what an awsome footsweep

[RP]

that elbow was to the back of the head

[Innovator]

Having some problems findings the fights, can anyone help out?

[Savio]

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/

[Innovator]

good man Paul

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

This site has a lot of good videos: http://www.mmascraps.com/

[McLegend]

GSP was just too big.

[Innovator]

185 at fight time...yeah BJ was giving up 15 lbs

[RP]

plus his corner rubbed vasaline on his back. Pretty tough for someone who is trained to take damage and work for a submission in his guard to do that with someone who has vasaline on his back.

[Reavant]

almost every guy from jackson's camp has been accused of greasing at least once

[Impact!]

Ha yeah

[KillerWolf]

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/jon_jones.jpg Jon Jones vs. Stephan Bonnar http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/themes/mmaconvert/images/cards/stephan_bonnar.jpg

i honestly dont know who this [Jones] kid is. i honestly dont know what Stephan Bonnar has been up to for the last couple of years or so. and i honestly dont know how the UFC decides which fights get on the main card and which fights go on the undercard.

well, i sure as hell know who he is now. this guy is absolutely amazing. i cant wait to see him fight again.

[Nark Order]

I know alot of guys that could beat Penn in a ground war if they were all greased up.

[Reavant]

Oh please... he out classed him in every aspect of the fight not just the ground

[Nark Order]

Nope. There's an opportunity for speculation now so I'm taking it.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

That's because BJ is a whiny ass and has an excuse EVERY time he loses.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh please... he out classed him in every aspect of the fight not just the ground

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah BJ's found his excuse, he's going to hold onto it for dear life.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Are you fucking kidding? BJ was getting the shit pounded out of his face in r4 especially, and he was still rotating, looking to defend and stay in the fight. Nobody could have showed more heart than BJ in a losing effort.

How can't you see that? He was totally dominated, and doing everything he possible could to keep the fight going. It's like saying Lyoto Machida.... Could be a good fighter, but he needs to work on some technique if he's going to get anywhere.

I dunno, for someone who called GSP out for quitting, he seemed to quit after the 2nd round. It's not like this is the first time BJ has quit in a fight. Dude's hard as nails, but he just doesn't have the heart of a GSP.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

He doesn't have heart period. I like him as a BJJ player, he's fucking phenomenal. But he's fucking lazy, and he holds zero accountability and it drives me up a wall. I can't respect that. And he's the biggest whiny ass in the UFC.

[Reavant]

he talks mad shit and when someone makes him eat it, he ont do it.

[Nark Order]

I guess you're all going to disreguard that this is like te 3rd or 4th time GSP has been accused of being greasy in his fights?

[The Mask]

maybe he's just sweaty. everybody is a fair bit greased. thats why you don't see many fighters with hairy bodies either.

[McLegend]

I'm sure a fighter would be able to tell the diiference between Sweat and grease though.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah BJ's found his excuse, he's going to hold onto it for dear life.

The NASC actually informed Dana and the UFC during the second round. He didn't find an excuse, and from what I can tell, his team haven't logged a complaint as of yet, and the only interviews he has done he has just seemed sombre and disapointed with the defeat. He hasn't mentioned the vasaline thing at all.

BJ seems to be getting alot of stick here for his words, but he was hyping the fight. This is what fighters who are looking to draw big numbers have done forever. Remember when Matt Hughes owned Royce Gracie and GSP came into the cage and said he wasn't impressed with his performance? It was no different.

And to say he was unfit is rediculous. Did you see that rock running thing he did? Guy was in-shape. It exhausting no matter how fit you are getting your ass kicked.

I think when two guys are so technically close, the other variables will be big factors. BJ weighed 168 and didn't cut a pound, and GSP was on the limit, and probably cut at least 20lbs. He really was fucking huge, and obviously more powerful. But this is why BJ is a 155 fighter, and Georges is 170. It was a good show for everyone to see, and a question that everyone wanted answer, but in the end it was all just a bit inevitable. Size won.

[Funky Fly]

NO FUCK SIZE

SEAN SHERK WOULD DESTROY BROCK LESNAR

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Size is clearly an issue. But if BJ is bitching about greasing then he shouldn't be. I would be much more ok with it if he just came out, said "you know, I underestimated how big of a jump the weight classes were, and I got match with the guy that was the best in the weight class, what happened happened." I'd be totally cool with it if he just attributed it to the size difference.

[Fabien Barthez]

I think you are missing the point. BJ isn't bitching about greasing. It was a big infraction though that was caught by the commission, and if you watch the fight again, the damage GSP did in his guard, and then went on to get better position seemed to be the result of BJ not being able to keep his guard high or closed, because his legs were just gliding down his back, off his shoulders. This was all in the 2nd round. BJ was doing pretty well in the first round.

[Terra Ryzin]

gsp would have still whooped his ass if he was covered in crazy glue

[Fabien Barthez]

TBH, I think that is one substance that BJ could have used to win....

The damage that fucked BJ up was done in the 2nd... Watch that round again. I think it puts the whole thing in some degree of speculation

[Savio]

gsp would have still whooped his ass if he was covered in crazy glue
I dunno GSP would stick to the floor in that case.

I heard it was BJs brother going off about it.

[Mr. JL]

The cornermen should definitely know the rules, otherwise they should not be in there. It is a pretty crappy situation for all involved. GSP's victory will forever be tainted in the eyes of some and to a degree, BJ was put in an unfair fighting situation. If BJ knew about the 'greasing' between the rounds it could have definitely affected him mentally and affected his confidence on the ground.

[Nark Order]

I rewatched the fight again and you can definitely tell he was greasy. BJ was trying to move his legs in position to trap GSP's arms and such but tere was no way he could. Kept on sliding off. I want to see a rematch tbh.

And I don't think I've heard BJ bitch about it at all. Just the news and the commision.

[Reavant]

Ok GSP has considerably larger shoulders than Penn and that alone is going to make it hard for him to hold HIGH GAURD on him regardless of whether or not there was any grease. Besides, greasing the upper shoulders isnt going to affect a high gaurd as much as it would a triangle which was never implimented at all in the fight.

For anyone to sit there and say that from looking at the fight, "he looked greasy" is an idiot because they are sweating. Come the second round, after five minutes of hard work, you will look greasy too. Also, if you are hairless like GSP is, you will be even more slippery.

The only time that grease might have affected BJs gaurd was when he went for rubber gaurd, but he also didnt stay in good position holding the arms, so its not hard to slip out of.

[Fabien Barthez]

Neither guy was sweating much if at all after the first. The difference between GSP's back in the 2nd and the 3rd is blaitant to see. The way BJ's guard was slipping down constantly proves it aprehended him. GSP does not sweat enough for that to happen. Initially, when they arent both uber sweaty, traction actually should increase. But it didn't, and it allowed GSP to posture up and land the shots that ruinned BJ.

I like you dude, but I am saying he looked greasy, and i'm not an idiot. Nurse rubbed that stuff about half way down his back, not just the top of his shoulders, and from the second BJ went for the rubber, he just wiped it further down his back. He wasn't even sweating at the close of the first, and after he was toweled after the 2nd, he went from gloss to matt. But you blaitantly haven't re-watched the fight. You have however seemingly selected an apposing side of an argument based on evidence with..... well, bullshit really.

[Fabien Barthez]

GUARD

[Reavant]

Getting high gaurd on top level competition is hard enough and doing it to someone who is significantly larger and stronger than you at that level, it is near impossible greasing or not.

I havnt rewatched the fight, but I wouldnt say my evidence is bull shit considering I have almost 2 years of jujitsu experience with the top teacher in the area and I can tell you that what BJ wanted to do to GSP from his gaurd was going to be impossible given the size strangth and skill of GSP. Without something else to hang on to your not going to hold high gaurd on GSP or anyone else really. You can only stay there for a short time (because theres no gi to hold on to) before the person on top starts to spaz out and either the gaurd slipps down or the person on top gets out. You need too lock over a shoulder and the back, both arms can still be in, but both legs high accross the back is too taxing on the legs.

With the rubber gaurd, BJ made a mistake by not securing the arm he was coming over with his hand that wasnt grabbing his own leg, greasing didnt do that.

Its not that I like GSP, but he dominated BJ plain and simple. He outstruck him, out wrestled him and out grappled him.

[Fabien Barthez]

I know you aren't full of shit, but I called you out as blaitantly not rewatching the fight, let alone round 2. I get your arguement, but the way BJ guard was working, the little sweating from either guy and the fact neither was breathing heavy, even after the first takedown.... It wasn't right. How come BJ can control heavyweights but not Georges from his back? GSP ain't THAT strong. Obviously the Gi is fundamental if you want to use BJJ to beat your stronger opposition, for traction alone.... but when u just begin to sweat, your skin becomes tacky.. Just watch at least the second round again . mmaturf has it, and mmashare. I posted further up this page that BJ was outclassed, but my second viewing was a very different thing. It wasn't the stuggle with the high guard he was working, it was the fact that his legs were just constantly sliding down GSP's back instantly. And like I keep saying, when you start sweating, you don't get that slippery straight away.